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I recall once there was a question about whether sex was important in marriage or not. I gave an analogy that if a relationship is a boat then a lot of 'you' have little boats full of holes with loud motors (motors being the sex part of things) and you like running it at full speed. Obviously the boat is going to sink. Then some people have a marriage that is like a big cruise ship. It may not be speeding all over the place but yes, it has motors and it's going to be floating 20-30 years from now.
A traditional relationship was designed to be stable.
A modern relationship is designed to be unstable.
It would be foolish for a traditional minded person to get into a relationship with someone who doesn't value traditions & who isn't traditional in behavior. Modern women -- when they want to settle down -- would love to have a traditional man because he gives them benefits. She's not going to want to settle with the guy who has fully embraced the idea that life is all about himself and short term gratification because that's not in her long term interest. Studies have also shown that most of the feminists running around saying how much they don't like traditional masculinity actually value traditional men much more than the soft, feminine minded soy boys who kiss their butts.
I will not put a label like "outdated" on traditional relationships. I will just say (as I said above) traditional people are not compatible with non traditional people.
Outated in terms of todays financial situations, yes. But usually still wanted regardless from an equal amount of both genders.
Remember my ex wanting to be a stay at home mom but that ain't happening with my income lol even though I am already working a regular full time job at an office. Supporting a woman and child ain't possible for the majority anymore. In a sense we can thank the emanzipation for that aswell.
Meh… 1/2 and 1/2. Financially I do think that EVEN IF you’re very economical, I’d you have kids you need to maintain a 2-income household and whatever that will look like differs from household to household based on what the hubby and wife are trained to do.
Also, what are the couple’s priorities? Travel? Comfy home? Kids? How old are they and where are they in life? The era of the useless “kept woman” are gone… we all need to pitch in and be useful to one another. (Esp those of us ladies who actually like our men… we want to keep them around longer so the world just shouldn’t be 100% on their shoulders.)
They are kind of outdated and unneeded in general, but some want to abide by those roles and more power to them. If they want to refuse to move on with society, let them.
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If "modern" relationships means discarding traditional gender roles, it appears to me that most people don't want a modern relationship. They want a traditional relationship.
I think they're very good but they can use some tweaks for equality. We tend to look in hindsight with glasses of nostalgia.
I think the general idea of having a stay at home wife/mother is extremely good and valuable. However, power imbalances became extremely regular since one person (usually the man) brings in the income and controls the finances. This can often lead to issues down the line that people don't consider. This is fixable though through joint accounts or dividing income in separate accounts appropriately. Also the lack of encouragement in general for the wife/mother to do other things and have hobbies stifles creativity of a Large demographic back then.
Also the idea of submission is a point of contention but there's a lot of debate as to how that's actually interpreted.
I don’t agree or disagree, it is different depending on the sexual orientation of the couple in question, sexual identity of the couple in question, and how they go about being a married couple living under one household. If a white working house owner man and a white stay at home woman live together in a household raising their children, then I wouldn’t care as long as both are happy, same if it were an African American lesbian couple or whatever examples you want to throw. Point is, two adults in love working together to achieve their goals is a beautiful thing and should be respected even if it doesn’t fit the “norm”.
They are unnecessary, but they’re not outdated. It’s up to each couple to decide between themselves which responsibilities belong to each individual. It’s up to each couple to decide between themselves who will have the lion’s share of power.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a complete role reversal if that is what makes THEM happy. You & i have neither the right nor the responsibility to decide that for them. Nor they for us.
Live and let live.
I think that they are over emphasized and romanticized a bit too much.. Most people think of the 50s type of gender roles which was a product of an certain era where times were getting a bit easier and the woman could stay home, while the husband worked.. I do think that the woman being closer to home and having a more active nurturing role to the children while the father goes through work to provide is a good model though.. Me, personally I don't think it's really feasible in today's climate..
If Traditional gender roles were outdated the current post 1960's roles would actually work, rather than being about the extinction of the cultures and family's that follow them.
There simply isn't enough time in the day to hold a full time job and raise a family properly, and a man is simply emotionally and physically ill-equipment to do the job as well as a woman. That's why the kids if they exist at all, are ending up more and more delinquent.
It may be difficult and unnecessary to follow them to a T, but there's a reason why we made it this far as a society. We can make some reasonable compromises that don't jeopardize the intended outcome.
I think they are necessary but people today like to indulge in the fantasy that they're not because it's socially unacceptable to admit that they are. This makes successful relationships infinitely more difficult to maintain.
As you get older and wiser you realize that what your grandparents told you was true.
Each generation thinks it is unique and the old ways are outdated. It's true in every generation. It was true when I was a kid and the kids think it's true today.
But it's not true. They just haven't lived long enough to realize that the saying that "there's nothing new under the Sun" is so widely true.
Yes, each generation has some new ideas that help improve the lot of mankind. But the basics never change. They are dictated by nature not nurture.
And an even more important revelation is saying...
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
A lot of the old ways became old ways by millions of years of trial and error. To think that in a fraction of a second of time in the history of the human race that everything is suddenly new and all of the things that mankind learned over all of those millions of years are obsolete is the epitome of ignorance.
maybe this is some kind of fetish but i really like being paid but i am no golddigger. not paid as in paid but i like being provided. but i don't wanna be unproductive. i hate being unproductive
That's where the balance of marriage being a partnership comes in. We greatly undervalue anything that doesn't create income. Especially when it comes to being a stay at home parent
Yes and no.
They make sense and work, but I’m all for women having any job they want.
The lack of gender roles is destroying relationships and families.
im married and we have a more traditional relationship
Disagree, and I'm glad those of us with a brain voted the same.
Yes. Gender roles are definitely NOT for me.
Money runs this world.
No money means certain death.
So what happened in the times before the concept of money existed? Everyone died?
Yes, but not money, right?
Resources are not necessarily money
My main point is the world can work just fine without money bud.
We've just agreed it has happened before. What are you on about?
Only people brainwashed by society think you need money to run a society
Very possible, but would require a large mentality shift on a global scale. Honestly I doubt any changes towards this will happen within our lifetime, but there are a lot of people that are not satisfied with the system and realize there could be a better system for society. People are waking up a little.
No mate they are not, they are still somewhat relevant.
In modern relationships, most women are NOT traditional, but somehow expect a traditional man.
Because I do not agree with the gay and lesbian marriage being legally binding now god created marriage for man and woman only
Disagree. They look happier than pigs in mud 🐖🐷
It's up to the couple.
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