Like any other "division of labor" or distribution of talent... this is the sort of thing where FEWER RESTRICTIONS = BETTER.
••• FEWER RESTRICTIONS = BETTER •••
••• MORE FREEDOM OF OPPORTUNITY = BETTER •••
••• FREE MARKET = BETTER •••
Period.
End of.
The closer we get to a totally free market, in terms of these things... the better.
You're probably right that MOST people feel MOST comfortable in "traditional gender roles", at the end of the day -- with some adjustments made for the modern world and the modern economy (e. g., housework that used to take 10 hours now takes 1-2 hours, and, it's *much* less feasible for a whole family to live on 1 income than it was 50-100 years ago).
This is why certain things -- like the ultra high percentage of men in jobs that require 100+ hrs/week for years and years and years (e. g., partner at a big law firm) -- remain stubbornly immovable, despite government incentives and quotas and bla bla bla.
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... If those roles are really what's "best" in society, ···•••THEY DON'T NEED TO BE "ENCOURAGED" OR ENFORCED.•••···
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That's the point.
If the "roles" you have in mind are really the be-all, end-all that you think they are, then, people will just gravitate toward them **naturally**. If they have to be artificially IMPOSED on large numbers of people, then, that's a sign that something is WRONG with them.
... because, whenever ANYTHING has to be artificially imposed on ANY large number of people -- unless those people are children, or mentally deficient, or in obvious need of external guidance/compulsion, for whatever other reason -- that's a sign that something is very, very seriously wrong.
I mean... There are going to be exceptions, to anything.
If my own man and I followed "traditional gender roles" all the way... dude, we would not be winners at life, at all. Our particular mix of skill sets dictates that we SHOULD throw a whole bunch of those roles right out the window, while keeping certain others.
I wrote about our situation at considerable length here:
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2034728-guys-would-you-rather-work-or-be-a-stay-at-home-man
MOST couples are not like us... but, again, those couples will just gravitate toward the optimal roles.
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No, traditional gender roles aren't supposed to be a bad thing. Traditionally, single women were allowed to hold jobs, but once married, she would stay at home. That made sense, because her children needed her womb and breasts for growth and development. A wealthy woman might hire someone to nurse and take care of the children, but the average woman probably just took care of her own children. The man of the house would go to work outside the home and bring home money or food. Everybody had a job. It was not a choice; it's an obligation and a duty. I think that's missing in today's modern society.
I don't think they are. I like traditional gender roles, but I also think they aren't really plausible these days. It makes more sense for both spouses to be working for job security purposes and they should share responsibilities at home. We don't live in the 50's anymore so it be hard to live like they did in the 50's.
Because women don't want to be limited in what they can do simply because of a label?
Because by destroying the family unit and having the government take on the role of husband/father certain groups gain more power. If a woman is dependent on the government wellfare she gets for being a single mother, she votes for those who provide that, by keeping men and women out of the house and children in state run schools the state dictates the values the government wishes the child to have rather then possible counter ideologies/values that the individual parents may have. Why do you think that most people who go through the school system and go through college end up being liberal? Isn't it odd that after all of that no one has a counter ideology? Isn't it odd that if they where trying to create an enviroment for learning why are all faculty members liberal (and if they state otherwise they are fired)? Its about pushing an ideology. Statistics show that the group with the most satisfaction with their lives are homemakers i. e. stay at home moms. Statistics show that women where happier in the 50s when they where "oppressed" then they are now when they are free from almost any responsibility with all the priviliges they can take. Its all about control, feminist can't claim a reason for their existence without an enemy or problem so they constantly try and create new issues (hence feminist stating women could have it all for so long and stating that saying otherwise was sexist while they are now saying that having it all is to stressfull now and is a form of sexist oppression of women) they can't justify the money they get from donations and government, they can't justify the laws they pass if they do not have a problem so they artifically create one because the original system worked fine they now have to demonize it to legitamize themselves.
I can't stand "traditional gender roles", they are imposed by patriarchal society.
Why I hate them? Because they teach women to be submissive, which is why they never take the initiative, that's why shy guys like me can't get a girlfriend.
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u Actually, it is not less feasible for a family to live on one income today. The problem is that few families are willing to make the sacrifices necessary to live on one income. A 2,500-3,000 sq ft house is not necessary. Vacations on cruise lines are not essential. A family can live with one car but it certainly requires adjustments.
Living on once income usually correlates strongly with following traditional gender roles and it also correlates with children having adults much more involved in their lives. All that is "modern" is not better and everything designated as "progress" does not represent an advancement of the human condition.
They're good if both people agree to live in that kind of model. They're shit if you're just using it as a way to be a selfish prick and have everything go your way although your partner disagrees.
Not really, if you think about it, traditional gender roles have been the norm since the cave ages, just with some changes, but in the end, they're basically the same.
The man goes out to hunt (work) and brings home the food (money) to his family, while the woman stays at home taking care of the kids.
I don't think they're a bad thing, but they're not something we SHOULD stick to, it's something we should decide whether we want that life or not.
I find it funny how some women will say that of course you think it's good, cause you're a man, ignoring the fact that men fought wars to protect and give a better life to their women and kids. But I guess making a good sandwich is more difficult than going to war... xD
No it's not if that's what you want. What people normally mean though when they things like that, is that it's forcing people into specific roles, which is obviously not a good thing. Because you might think it's great but it's not great for everyone and you shouldn't shame people for making different choices in this regard than you.
And another thing, I think annoys people is when a guy or girl aggressively pushes those roles onto the other gender while not living up to their own. Like everytime a guy tells me to go back to the kitchen, I'm like gladly put on a suit, buy me a house, stop playing video games and pay for everything and I'll make you all the sandwiches you want
It's bad in a sense because it's not true that housework, taking care of kids and cook is the only thing women are good at and should do. Gender roles usually promotes women to be dependent on men, which they don't have to be. If my family lived by gender roles we'd still be poor and still live in Sweden. The breaking of gender roles has been the most beneficial for my family as it allowed my mother to be the bread winner and my dad to take care of us kids (after all my dad loves kids far more than my mum does so beneficial in this area as well).
I do think it's important for a family to do whatever suits best for their family rather than live by gender roles set by society. But if traditional gender roles work for that family it's not necessarily a bad thing, it just doesn't have to be promoted.
People think I am a feminist, I laugh. I am more traditional than people will ever know. Just because I am passionate about right and wrong on topics, I advocate for men when they are in the right, and I stand up and write on topics that need discussion and attention. This one, my thoughts go like this. Women are the child bearers. Women need to raise children. I believe the US in general was a better society when a parent was able to stay home more and raise their children. Today a family unit is a mixed bag. I believe in equal pay, I believe women can shatter a glass ceiling if they work hard, but I believe it is all about balance. and yes, there are certain roles that need to be divided... just my two cents
Nothing wrong with them. We're just living in a time where many people don't know how to compliment one thing, without demonizing another. That's why people want to label traditional gender roles as black and white good or bad. When the reality is if it works it works and there is nothing wrong with that. If it doesn't work for you, then maybe it's not for you. If you feel like society is "pushing" that role on you that doesn't mean you have to now paint that role as "bad". It's a free country and you don't have to fit into that role. It's all just silly.
I think it's because of our history as humans. Personally I don't think gender roles are a must have and that to me they don't exist. You can like them all you want and that's fine. I won't argue anything because I disagree, I respect your opinion.
I think it's because of the media also, the media plays a big part on how some people think, because it portrays from a bias opinion, it's one sided a lot of times, and most of the time it doesn't use actual facts either.
I think it's what we've learned from history and what we hear from the media today too.
Plus also how you were raised plays a big part in how you think too.
Depending on how 'traditional' you are. Most people think traditional is 50 years ago but nobody seems to question what is 'traditional'. I prefer my traditional to be a couple hundred years ago so it will beat every other traditional people by a couple hundred years.
"Dear, husband. This is your shopping list for today: 3 crossbows, 20 barrels of oil, 50 barrels of salted fish, a couple longswords and some armor. Your enemies will attack the castle soon and i will need to command the defense. You better go shopping for me or you can sleep outside the castle."
I like the 'warrior poet' gender role for men. But it doesn't exist anymore today. The "traditional" gender role for men is to be a barbarian that is emotionally stunted and careless about his appearance.
Its not traditional if you ask me. Id much rather be a romantic warrior poet type than whatever is considered the "traditional" gender role for men today.
Well what if you're a girl and your life and passion is science and you want to become a scientist, but you can't because you have to take care of the kids since you're a girl. You just have to throw away your dream because your future is already planned out for you.
Or you're a man who absolutely loves kids and loves taking care of them. His dream is to become a stay at home dad to take care of his many kids everyday and watching them grow. But he can't because although his wife is able to make enough money for the whole family with a job just because a man has to work.
People don't like it when their future is already destined. Especially because a woman's brain and a man's brain are almost identical. A woman can be a great scientist and a man can be a great stay at home dad. Gender roles will throw away a lot of talent and crush people's dreams. It's great if you do want to stick to them, but only if it's your choice.
Traditional gender roles are bad when they're forced onto those who don't fit them and don't WANT to fit them. Traditional gender roles aren't a fantastic thing for women who want to be something other than a cooking/cleaning housewife, and neither are they fantastic for men who don't want to have an immense amount of pressure on them, because they have to be the sole breadwinner and make enough money to keep an entire family alive.
If you like them, there's not anything wrong. Rigid gender roles are not good. Aka when women and men don't have a choice, and feel intense societal pressure to conform to ideals that they don't like/could never be happy in. We're all individuals, so, traditional roles aren't for everyone, and they shouldn't be forced on everyone.
Statistics say that traditionalism creates a stable society, family and successful marriage. Back then traditionalism was based on logic, rationality and common sense, whereas today its irrational and centered around emotional decision making (feminism). Reasons why its a high divorce rate, one parent fatherless family epidemic and unstable society.
Not at all gender roles are good, because men and woman are different and we have different roles this is backed up by biology and science.
I fully support them.
It's proven to create the strongest societies while feminism has created dysfunction, pain and suffering reducing procreation all over the world
If you haven't done some serious research don't respond to me. I'll eat you alive and you attack grammar and irrelevant shit
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Look, there's nurds agreeing with this statement, yup, thats GAG for you.
some people like them and should be able to follow the norms, should they so choose.
some people (like me) don't care for them and should have the freedom not to follow the norms, should we choose.
if you are being coerced either way, that''s when it becomes wrong.
Gender roles aren't a bad thing... no one took a stick to your head and forced you to do anything. You still have a choice... there are just things that are expected because a lot of your gender go down that road. Personally I'm not a very traditional person but I still take on some traditional gender roles not because it's expected but because it's part of my natural character
Because gender roles are created at a time the society (and pre-societal tribes) needed them. We no longer need gender roles. I like cooking but I don't have a driver's licence, so I'd prefer a woman who can drive but can't cook to one who can't drive but can cook.
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