Why is the word virgin a complement for a woman but an insult for a man?

[Vegasrunner]

[CrazyGirl2]

The stigma that has been attached to male virginity stems entirely from self-imposed societal pressures for men to conform to certain Western norms of sexual activity, and of sex as being a “conquest". As a result, being labeled a "virgin" might have been used as an insult or a sign of social ineptitude, which reflected broader Western societal attitudes toward male sexuality, especially in older generations. It is worth noting that more contemporary views on virginity and sexuality are evolving. Now many younger people are challenging these traditional norms and the social stigma of virginity, or lack therein for both genders! More and more, there is a societal and generational push towards recognizing and respecting all individual choices and experiences without negative judgment. So while the stigma of males over the age of 20 being virgins might still be a thing in the Gen-X generation, and to a far lesser degree in millennials, Gen-Z tends toward not judging men for being virgins, or women for NOT being virgins, as it should be! Men should not have to justify their celibacy by pretending to be religious!

I hope this helps.
Laura 🤗 🥰

[Vegasrunner]

@CrazyGirl2 while this is good information, it is untrue. As someone who consults many Gen z men, I can tell you that they absolutely stigmatized virgins in their demographic. Sounds more like what you're projecting is wishful thinking from a female perspective.

[Ladsin2]

Can you think of any society ever where sex is not “a conquest” of males, men have always wanted to have sex with women and to do that they either have to take it… ie literal conquest. Or get women to willingly give it up by proving themselves better than other men. This was the case for the Ottomans, there Greeks, the tribes in Africa and the “natives” in the Americas. Wealthy powerful men get women, weak ineffectual men do not. That’s why only ~33% of men throughout history had the chance to reproduce whereas nearly 100% of women did.

[Vegasrunner]

@Ladsin2 Excellent point. No I can't think of any society like that. Question for you why do you think people fight so hard against that truth.

[CrazyGirl2]

@Vegasrunner Thank you so much for your answer, however, I think your issue is that you might not fully understand the meaning of the phrase “tends toward”. You seem to be operating under the misunderstanding that it means “it absolutely does not happen” that is incorrect. “tends toward” means "frequently behaves in a particular way” and is a synonym for “leans in that direction” or “is moving in that direction” So, while in the Gen-Z population, to many there is still a stigma, but a greater percentage of the population of Gen-Z frequently behaves in a way towards NOT stigmatizing male virgins. That does NOT mean it doesn't happen. Perhaps you should Google the definition of the words I use, before dismissing what I write as being "wishful thinking from a female perspective”, as I do try to be very careful with the words I choose in my answers. We’re talking about Gen-Z, where all a person need say is that they identify as Asexual, and they receive minority status protection. Thus anyone mocking them would be expelled from middle, high school, or college! Something a 46 y/o would have no personal experience with, so I completely understand why you might feel that way.

if you truly feel that my answer, which comes from years of personal experience and clinical research, is worthy of an insult like "you're projecting is wishful thinking from a female perspective” May I suggest you stop following me?

[Vegasrunner]

@CrazyGirl2 It's unfortunate that that is your assumption, however it's both baseless and inaccurate. My argument is that men are stigmatized for being versions an equal or higher amount across all generations. In fact I would argue that Gen Z stigmatized men the most. My evidence is both anecdotal, and factual as I currently work w/ young men age 16-25 and they certainly stigmatize virginity amongst each other on a daily bases. The factual one is that there are now more derogatory terms then ever used to shame men for being virgins many used on this very platform. The validation for your argument is that you feel a certain way therefore people should believe you, it's also based on a false equivalency as shaming someone for being a virgin isn't limited to school grounds. While your "personal experience plays a role, it only stands to reason that mine does as well, the only difference is my "personal experience is based on working w/ hundreds of young men across demographic lines. How many groups of men have you been around w/out them being in the presence of another female? So yes unless you have some tangible evidence it's simply wishful thinking from a female perspective. If you're not mature enough to have your view challenged then perhaps you shouldn't be commenting on this subject matter?

[CrazyGirl2]

Again, you're mistaking research for "you feel a certain way therefore people should believe you”. I Frankly couldn't give a shit whether you believe me or not. The research is well documented on this. Less than 1% of The Silent Generation, 1.1% of Boomers, and 9.8% of Millennials identify as LGBTQ, but a stunning 23.3% of Gen-Z identify as LGBTQ. That doesn't seem like they're being stigmatized, given the greater than 2,230% increase between The Silent Generation and Gen-Z!

You are free to believe whatever you want, but insulting me doesn't change facts! Also, anecdotal evidence and “factual” are antithetical when it comes to academic research. Anecdotal evidence is quite literally the opposite of factual. Statistics show that up to 73% of LGBTQ youth SAY they've experienced some form of discrimination, and 33% report being the victim of violence because they are LGBTQ. however… When questioned as to what that threat or violence was, every youth that I have surveyed or spoken to in the clinical setting has mentioned something nebulous. One of my patients stated that a subway sandwich shop refused to take his coupon because he was wearing a gay pride pin! Which sounds pretty repugnant. But, when questioned, it turned out that the coupon had expired! Yet my patient insisted they always took expired coupons BEFORE he wore the gay pride pin! Another stated that he went to a cash register in a Walmart and when the clerk saw his gay pride T-shirt, she told him the register was closed and he had to go to the next one that had a long line! One has to question why there'd be a long line at one register and no line at the other register, unless it WAS in fact, closed! We are living in a generation that considers "micro aggressions” acts of violence!

Unlike you, I will provide sources.
Percent of population identified as LGBTQ: www.statista.com/.../

[U4ea0]

That was what I was about to say! The double standard is still enforced.

[ChicoFromThe305]

It's the way both genders are wired for the majority I guess, men have a natural attraction to women with purity and that haven't been touched or used by other men, although I figured out it's much more complicated when it comes to virginity and how it's seen by women, I've personally studied this myself cause I'm a virgin and I've noticed naturally women aren't attracted to that but I have realized it somewhat changes or shifts when I make it clear that it's by choice and that I'm waiting for marriage and it puts me more in a neutral perepective on how they see me, it seems to start after rejection or after I make it clear that I wouldn't be interesting in intercourse even if their legs were wide open, I don't know if it's cause it's ego related or just how they are naturally wired or they just find it strange that this specific man can't be controlled with pussy, I'm sure deep down they know the power they have over men when it comes to their body, I think I've only spoken to two woment that were attracted and seeking for a virgin man and it was never in person, it was throught the internet, now of course I can't be certain of this cause I can't be 100% accurate on how women think and if they do find any form of attraction to pure men, they surely never admit it lol

[PrettyCrumblBb]

"men have a natural attraction to women with purity and that haven't been touched or used by other men"
"Used'? 🐸

[ChicoFromThe305]

Yep u know what I mean

[PrettyCrumblBb]

You see women as toys? 🐸

[ChicoFromThe305]

No but other people do

[ChicoFromThe305]

What would you call it cause casual sex is all it is, a bunch of people using each other

[ChicoFromThe305]

And even tho I don't see women as objects it doesn't mean that I don't believe women don't get used by others, personally I refuse to wife up a woman that was used as a sex toy by others

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Yeah. Like I said those people freak me out. Cos how can you see another person as an object? So weird.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Yep very lustful shit, they can miss me with all that, I wanna wife up a virgin

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Yes, but having sex doesn't mean you were used up as a sex toy. The woman could have had sex with her loving boyfriend in the past, she would no longer be a virgin, but that doesn't mean she was used.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Well they aren't together and they aren't married with that person so at the end of the day in some way they used (maybe it's the wrong term) each other until the relationship fell apart, it probably was out of emotions when it happened but at the end I'd still be dealing with someone that was already ran through, there's not much of a difference to me as I'm someone that's kept myself pure for that woman and I've met women that get in relationships and still wait for marriage, maybe their intentions were pure at the moment but that doesn't make em virgins again or it doesn't take back the fact that they already gave their purity to someone else, you are so caught up on the word used that you are missing the point.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

You make it seemed like they got ran through when they didn't tho. Boy haven't you ever met normal people with a normal relationship that just happened to have sex before marriage. I'm saving myself for marriage but if I'm in love with my boyfriend it's going to be more of a temptation than with some random loser. I'm not saying that I'll have sex with him, but ya it'll spark something that other guys can't. So I wouldn't say those people in committed relationships have the same mentality as the people that actually have one night stands and multiple partners at a time.

[ChicoFromThe305]

You are kinda just proving my point of what I said when I answered this guy's question, I have set my standards to how God wants it and how God designed it to be, I don't know how randoms got into the conversation but what you choose to do with your life is how you choose it and personally I've set a standard that I want a virgin wife, I've already seen that they exist and there's cool women that actually hold til marriage and I set a standard that this is what I want as a soulmate, you are saying this like you know you are going to fold and that's fine, all im saying is that to me it makes no difference how they lost their virginity, it's gone how they lost it doesn't really play an importance, one way is more respectable than the other but used or not, who cares, the virginity is gone.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I'm not saying I'm going to have sex with my boyfriend. I'm saving myself for marriage. All I'm saying is you're putting a lot of important on virginity itself instead of the person. I met some guys that were virgins but were disgusting porn addicts. Tbh I want a man of God that doesn't view porn. It's useless if he's a virgin but watches porn and acts like he's so holy.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Well people fight their sins I personally put so much importance in virginity because it's within my natural instinct to see beauty in it and I do, and what is the difference on watching porn with your eyes and committing pornography activities with a partner, many of the so called fetishes in society exist because they originate from pornography or at the very least it was promoted through pornography and tbh id rather have a virgin woman that watched porn than a nonvirgin woman that hasn't watched porn because she still has her virginity, she can eventually stop watching porn and fix that mistake, a person can't unfuck someone, besides i kinda connect a woman's virginity to their character as well, it can show great amounts of self control, also i realise that virgin women for the most part are very innocent mentally as well and that attracts me and I have even kept myself pure so there's never the possibility of that pure and innocent woman I will marry will ever feel a type of way or regret, her purity earns mine and i think thats a healthy foundation to a relationship and im sure you can agree with me cause you seem to be aware on the importance of sex in a marriage, that virgin on virgin contact I'm sure would help create a strong bond

[PrettyCrumblBb]

You said you wanted to follow how God intended it to be. Pornography isn't natural or normal. Sex is.
I've never watched pornography but I've heard conservatives mentioning about it because they wanted to ban hardcore porn. I was extremely grossed out by the things that it entails.
I have really high standards though I'm not going to do any of those degrading acts. That's not love that's perversion. I think sex is normal and couples wanting to make love is normal but doing degrading acts isn't. I think sex is a scared act, intimate, and private act. Pornography goes against that and destroys your mind and view on women. People that have viewed pornography have contaminated their mind and don't know what a loving relationship is.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

What do you mean by virgin women are innocent? I'm a virgin. In what way is a virgin innocent? You're 23? You're not a child... so what do you mean by innocent exactly? 🤔

[ChicoFromThe305]

Well that is absolutely true but it's one thing to watch it and it's a completely different thing to make it, although they both share the fact that it's lustful and degrading but there's a very slim line between lust and love and according to God I think having sex outside of marriage falls into the category of lust, even if it's with a partner, biblically it says sex outside of marriage is considered immoral and let's be foreal if a person is marrying as without their virginity it only means they have participated in lust because they wouldve been married with that person because according to Exodus 22:16–17, the man who has sex with a non-engaged virgin, should make her his wife, indicating that sexual intercourse is a covenant-forming activity not to be entered into apart from the covenant bonds of marriage.

Virgin women they have a part to them that is completely sealed for everyone but their husband and that mindset is innocent, I think everything that's in the footsteps of how God designed it to be is innocence and is a glimpse of holiness.

[ChicoFromThe305]

What I'm getting from exodus 22 is that the only way to write this wrong is to marry the woman you have sex with, if someone has more than one body it's all just lust and the same thing goes for if they refuse to marry the woman they have sex with.

[ChicoFromThe305]

If you fell so deep that you have more than one body then it's pure evidence that they have participated in lust considering their only solution to take it back basically was to marry a woman but they shouldn't marry more than one so it's only evidence their lifestyle was lustful even if they thought they were in love at the time.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

That goes against pornography too tho. The couple that has sex outside of marriage can still be in love and get married. A person doing porn makes them a sick pervert for doing degrading sexual acts with random partners for a piece of green paper. And the person viewing pornography has a contaminated mind who will not respect his wife but use her as a toy just like the garbage acts he views in pornographic films.

Boy you're not innocent if you view pornography. And everyone is guilty and have fallen short of the glory of God. Your virginity isn't going to save you. We are redeemed by the sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Repent and ask Jesus Christ in your life.

What do you mean an innocent mindset? In this day and age 😂 The only innocent thing I can think of is I don't want to do pornographic acts.

[ChicoFromThe305]

I didn't say porn isn't lust, I agreed it was and people behave and act different and everyone struggles with their demons, you are twisting up my words and to be fair lustful corruption of the mind doesn't just happen from pornography but also from feeding your lustful urges with thoughts and pleasure as well, you aren't much to talk, just yesterday you brought up a homosexual thought between another user and I, that was inappropriate and lustful and you are here acting like you aren't fighting your own lustful demons, there's times you've said some questionable lustful things as well, you've got a porno in your head lol

Im not saying they are innocent but I'm saying they have a form of innocence, I'm also not saying virginity will save me but I know it's a step in the right direction cause it's how God designed it, why are you bothering me anyways, let me have my preferences, I'm not bothering you when you are drooling over shirtless guys on Facebook 😂

[PrettyCrumblBb]

That wasn't lustful. I was joking. Making fun of you guys, not fantasizing about you guys 😂
I actually have a really low sex drive tbh. What shirtless guy? The one that makes those jokes. I'm not even drooling over him. Yeah he's handsome but I wouldn't pay attention if he wasn't funny tbh. 🤷‍♀️
Wait so I'm I considered innocent 😂

[ChicoFromThe305]

I know all about covering your tracks and that's exactly what you are doing rn lol, you, low sex drive? In what world? And don't change the words now, you saying handsome is such a coverup, the quote on quote words you use are hot and sexy while using the thirsty emoji "🥵" don't think I forgot that name signing on your boobies joke, I remember perfectly cause a girl I'm talking too was basically like wtf bro 😂

You being innocent I can't really see it, you are innocent when it comes to not being evil or even when it comes to your physical purity and being clean from contact with men but I feel like that brain of yours isn't so innocent, the best way to finesse it I guess is by saying you have a very "creative imagination" 😂😂

[PrettyCrumblBb]

😂😂😂 you're on crack. There's nothing wrong with finding a man sexy.
I don't know what you're talking about.. signing my boobs? 😂 you told some girl I wanted my boobs signed? What the heck are you talking about? 😂😂😂 Yes I do have a low sex drive. If I make a sex joke it's just that a joke. I'm literally not feeling anything at the moment. I know I shouldn't joke like that. But trust me I have a low sex drive.

[ChicoFromThe305]

I didn't tell her, she saw it 😂

And I guess you can say that all you want but sexual jokes come from one part of someone, and that's their pervy side, joke or not it's perversion 😂

And a woman finding a man attractive is normal but being all thirsty about it is something else lol

Agree to disagree I guess ha 🤷🏽

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I never said I wanted my boobs signed. Wtf. Some girl messaged u saying I wanted my boobs signed? I never said that tho. Why would she even message u about that. That's weird.

Yeah but it's funny 🤣 it's not to be taken seriously and everyone with a brain knows it's exaggerated and nonsense.

I noticed when I compliments guys I exaggerate and go overboard then I regret it 5 seconds later 😂 because I'm joking most of the time. 😅

[ChicoFromThe305]

You are twisting my words again but it's fine cause I know it's your defense strategy but I know you said it cause I remember it, I see lies just easily slip off your fingers, makes me wonder what else you've been lying about, perhaps pendejos sexting claims are true very interesting 🤔😂

[ChicoFromThe305]

How about we leave it like this, you can think I believe you and I just won't 😂

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I'm not twisting your words. I'm asking you she messaged you? Pendejo told u I was sexting him? Lmao he wishes. 💀 Also if he claimed this. does this mean you were messaging him?

[PrettyCrumblBb]

If I said it. What was the context? Was it a joke?

[ChicoFromThe305]

The girl and I talk regularly, I've grown very fond of her and the same reversed so it naturally came to conversation.

you don't remember that time he blocked you and you used me as a messenger? Well that moment I delivered a message for you, he told me, along with that you were crazy you should remember cause shortly after i told you im not your messenger.

And I think it was a joke but like I said, still comes from a perverted mind 💀

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I never said to message him. I said to message some other guy because he said he wanted to off himself. He was creepy. He told me he wanted to r*ape me. So I told him off but then said some stuff and made it sound like he wanted to off himself. I don't know how pendejo fits into this.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

You naturally talked to some random girl about me? Weird.

[ChicoFromThe305]

No that was the first person you used me as a messenger for which is when I kept my mouth shut but then you did it again and I saw u were turning it into a habit and I snapped 😂

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Are you saying pendejo was that guy? Cos I remember u said that John guy was the one accusing me of sexting not pendejo. That John guy was the one I told u to message

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I never told u to message pendejo. Wtf

[ChicoFromThe305]

Not as weird as you talking about strangers on a site signing your tits 😂

It was so weird you had other people stunned, what can I say 💀

And I don't know it might have been him, I can't remember everything, you have me so mixed up with all your dude problems 😂

[ChicoFromThe305]

I just know someone told me that about you and I was like "dirty little crumble smh 😏" lol

[ChicoFromThe305]

To be fair I should've never been a part of any of that

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Again, I don't remember saying that. I don't even know in what context I would say that.


He was the crazy one for saying he wanted to r*pe me.
Then he made it sound like he wanted to off himself. I just didn't want a stranger to off himself. So weird and manipulative.

Also you're accusing me of asking a stranger to sign my tits but you can't even keep your story straight. You thought I told u to message pendejo when I told u to message John. 🤦‍♀️

[ChicoFromThe305]

All I remember is that you said it, and I've come to the acceptance that your guy problems are a waste of my memory storage and the more of it I can forget, the better cause the more i can store 😂

Oh shit I forgot, it was 3 guys, I forgot about that one, it was him 😯😂

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I don't even know these guys 💀 I don't care about them. Tho but I don't wish anything bad on them.

I never said I wanted my tits signed. 🙄 That's just weird.

[ChicoFromThe305]

I guess you not remembering saves you from the troubles of cringing but it happened.

I'm now realizing that you be up late AF 😂

[PrettyCrumblBb]

It didn't. 🤦‍♀️ If it happened and it bothered u and your friend so much why didn't u say anything then? That's doesn't make sense.

How do u know what time it is for me?

[ChicoFromThe305]

It didn't bother us, it was just weird, it would've been weirder if we did decide to confront you about it lol, it's probably somewhere in the comments of my old questions, I don't think I deleted the question but I don't wanna look through it.

And don't you live in Cali?

[PrettyCrumblBb]

So u decided to just talk to each other about it? Weird.

You can't even tell me what was the context. 🙄
Yeah I'm from Cali. It's 1am 😂 I'll sleep in a few mins. Don't worry. Isn't it 4am there tho? 💀

[ChicoFromThe305]

This is the good ol 'reflect it on you' tactic, I know it well, it's one of the most common, look on the bright side tho crumble, I might have helped you, now next time you think of saying something weird, you'll think of this moment and change your mind, you're welcome 😊

I don't remember the context, it was a long time ago, I just remember it cause it's one of those weird things you remember cause it's so uncommonly said

It is 4am but I'm always up late 😂

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I didn't say that 😂 ur probably confusing me with some other girl u talk to on here 😂

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Or maybe you're drunk again 😂😂

[ChicoFromThe305]

Unfortunately I haven't been drunk in quite a while but even drunk I'm on point, and no it was definitely you 😂

[PrettyCrumblBb]

No it wasn't. I don't want anyone to sign my tits. 🤦‍♀️

[ChicoFromThe305]

I don't know why you said it, maybe you ate something that highered your sex drive that day but either ways.

I'll sing you off to sleep tho since you'll be going to bed soon 🎶 Hush little crumble don't say a word, Chris is gonna buy you a betterbrainsoyoucanremeberthingsbettercauseyourbrainislosingitsmemoryanditsmakingitcomplicatedtoremindyouofthing🎶 😊

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Lmao ur the creepy one wtf 😂

[ChicoFromThe305]

Nah I'm just weird but I kinda already accepted that, it's you that's got the denial on your issues 😂

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I don't have issues 😂 I don't want anyone signing my tits wtf. 💀

[ChicoFromThe305]

The why would you say it wtf? 😂

[ChicoFromThe305]

Then*

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I didn't! I think you just wanna sign my tities 🤔

[ChicoFromThe305]

I don't even know how you look, you might be flat for all I know, besides I'm not much of a boob guy, I've made that pretty clear several times 😂

[ChicoFromThe305]

What can I say I like a good peach lol 🍑

[PrettyCrumblBb]

You said u hate flat girls but ur not a boob guy. Make it make sense.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Gladly I'll make it make sense, I never said I hate flat girls, I don't even hate people I don't like, and let's not forget flat doesn't just go for chest crumble 🍑🍑🍑🍑

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Plus I was just joking chico... since u brought my tities into this convo. See how u misconstrued things?

[ChicoFromThe305]

I don't understand what you are trying to point out and I only brought it up cause you were acting like you don't fight your lust demons lol

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I don't have demons. I have the holy Spirit in me

Also I didn't say I wanted my boobs signed. That is so dumb. 😂

[ChicoFromThe305]

You have a lot to learn if you feel like you are invincible in spirituality, everyone has demons, not possession but around them attempting to make them fail and/or sin.

Well I'm surely not gonna sit here and lie to you for no reason what so ever.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I never said demons don't temp people. I said I have the holy spirit in me and I'm following Jesus Christ.

I think ur mistaking me for someone else though.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Those are completely different things but that's cool, as we should.

I know I'm not, I remember it was you but I'll give the benefit of the doubt that maybe it was taken out of context, just to seal the conversation I guess lol

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Yeah, ok then you can lie if you want. Idc I don't even know you. 👋

[ChicoFromThe305]

😕😕😕

[PrettyCrumblBb]

It's okay. Other people here like to lie about me too. 👋

[ChicoFromThe305]

But I'm not lying 😕

[PrettyCrumblBb]

No it's okay. 👋🏿

[ChicoFromThe305]

I know I'm not lying, I'ma tell you the personal side of it in the Dms

[marish01]

@PrettyCrumblBb some women let men treat them as objects.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

@marish01 that's not what I'm arguing but ok

[U4ea0]

@PrettyCrumblBb No, but any man that isn't willing to commit for sex is using that woman.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

@U4ea0 I wasn't arguing that.

[Anonymous]

it's very simple and it all boils down to biological hardwiring in the brain of the opposite sex

for men, they must bypass the principle of pre-selection where his body count acts as his social credit to remove any primitive stigmas of him being unsafe whether he be a loser or a creep because women don't want to be with such a man. if a man can get consensual sex and accumulate a high body count, it's highly unlikely he's a loser or a creep because many women want him and women tend to think hive-mindedly. sure not every virgin man is a creep or a loser but the stereotype of a creep or a loser would dictate he's more likely to be a virgin than a playboy hence women favoring playboy men over virgin men makes sense in that case

for women, they must maintain paternity certainty because maternity of a child is always known whereas paternity of a child isn't always known. the last thing a man wants is to be cucked and raise a child that's not biological his and this of course also minimizes a lot of potential disloyalty. sure we have DNA tests today but given how pissed off a lot of women get even by mentioning DNA tests as an option or whether it's mandatory, men favoring virgin women over slutty women is very understandable

[atiquahbby]

In terms of being decent, no-one asks I'd someone is a virgin or not unless the person asking is romantically interested in the other.

It's also a compliment if a guy is a virgin just like it is for a virgin woman- it shows that he values himself a lot more than having random flings

[Vegasrunner]

@atiquahbby Men call other men virgins as an insult in arguments women call other women sluts so, what you're saying isn't true.

[atiquahbby]

Depends on the culture- I've never heard of men calling other men virgin's as an insult

[Vegasrunner]

@atiquahbby Fair enough, what culture are you from?

[Enginn]

The perception of the word "virgin" can vary significantly based on cultural and societal norms. Traditionally, in many cultures, virginity has been associated with purity and modesty, particularly for women. This has often led to the idea that being a virgin is a positive attribute for women, as it can be linked to notions of honor and value.

Conversely, for men, the concept of virginity has often been viewed differently. In many societies, men are expected to be sexually experienced, and being a virgin can be seen as a sign of immaturity or lack of desirability. This double standard reflects broader societal attitudes towards gender and sexuality, where women's sexual choices are often judged more harshly than men's.

These perceptions can lead to the word "virgin" being seen as a compliment for women, suggesting purity and value, while for men, it can be perceived as an insult, implying weakness or inexperience. It's important to recognize that these views are rooted in cultural stereotypes and are increasingly being challenged as society evolves towards more equitable views on sexuality.

[RebelinSteel]

It’s a hole that over the centuries men have managed to dig. It’s not even like people can agree what defines a virgin. The only people that really shame others are guys. Most girls don’t really care if a guy is a virgin or not, if anything some view it as a bonus. Now if a group of guys find out one of them is a virgin, they will take the piss out of him. For a girl some guys view virginity for a girl as some form of sacred blessing, but that’s only if her hymen is completely intact, as a lot of fuckwits can’t handle a girl can be a virgin and not have a hymen. The entire virginity thing is a corner guys have put themselves in. The vast majority of people really don’t give a fuck if a guy or girl is a virgin or not.

[Vegasrunner]

@RebelinSteel A virgin ha someone that never had sex. What country do you live in?

[RebelinSteel]

Penetrative sex?

[RebelinSteel]

@Vegasrunner what is you definition of sex?
Or do they not teach it in your country.

[Vegasrunner]

@RebelinSteel I don't see and answer to my question

[RebelinSteel]

Oh I replied to you
@Vegasrunner now try replying to the bit about sex
Or are you simply trolling?
The site is for question and opinions, that leads to questions.
So what do you classify as sex
Or are you trolling?

[Vegasrunner]

@RebelinSteel You replied but nevered answered a direct question. What country do you live in?

[RebelinSteel]

England

So back to the bit I asked

What do you class as sex?

[Vegasrunner]

@RebelinSteel I don't classify anything that has a definition. I simply apply the definition sex is defined as
sexual activity, including tentation with or of sexual organs. If you don't even know the definition of sex why are you commenting?

[RebelinSteel]

Oh I know what the definition is I use.
However, what is a virgin, does it mean penetrative sex, yes or no
Does it men simply her vagina or does anal also count
I view virginity as a social construct

So in very simple terms without the usual fancy words to hide stuff behind

What do you class as a virgin and what do you class as sex as it relates to a person no longer being a virgin?
If a guy gets oral sex, is he a virgin. Yes or no?

[Vegasrunner]

@RebelinSteel I now understand your confusion. Reality does not adhere to social construct. Your view of virginity, is irrelevant to the original question. The fact that you don't understand or are struggling w/ defining virginity is worth noting, but doesn't satisfy the condition of the question. in my opinion if sex is so ambiguous to you perhaps this isn't a conversation you're mature enough to discuss?

[RebelinSteel]

@Vegasrunner lmao nice try Sherlock
I’m not confused
You still ain’t answered the question.

So if a guy has a blow job is he or is he not a virgin

[Vegasrunner]

@RebelinSteel If you're not confused why are you answering a question w/ a question?

[RebelinSteel]

@Vegasrunner because you are avoiding the basic ask.
Or are you just Trolling on this question?

[Vegasrunner]

@RebelinSteel I'm the one who asked the original question.

[RebelinSteel]

Yep, then you got all ‘smart’ in avoiding answering anything, as I said it seems to be the usual level of trolling on here. But whatever.

[Vegasrunner]

@RebelinSteel Why would I answer my own question?

[RebelinSteel]

You posed a question, I replied, you were not really clear in your reply, I have been trying to get you to expand on that reply, you avoid giving anything even close to an answer, avoided a simple yes no one. Fairly clear trolling to me.

[Vegasrunner]

@RebelinSteel I think I understand your confusion. i didn't ask a question to have someone respond by asking me a question. As I mentioned b4 if you don't even know what the definition of sex is, than perhaps this is too complex of a question for you?

[RebelinSteel]

@Vegasrunner nah, it in the above. Anyhow that’s enough for now, you answered my question on the trolling bit.

[Vegasrunner]

@RebelinSteel Sure you're not the first person on this platform to suffer from delusion. Regardless glad I could educate you.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Because a woman has to try to be a Virgin. A woman being a Virgin means she has self control, possibly immense self control. She has managed to make her own decisions against peer pressure, countless opportunities and self doubt.

A woman who makes the decision to be a Virgin is one who has strong values they believe in and are willing to suffer for. A hallmark trait of someone good for a long, healthy relationship.

A guy who's a Virgin 90% of the time is a guy no woman has seen value in and let's face it, there are MANY woman with absolutely terrible judgment.

A guy who's a Virgin is probably someone who either doesn't make woman feel comfortable around him or is a pussy. A hallmark trait of a man who is unfit for a long lasting, healthy relationship.

[LazerBean]

Because when women stay virgin, it is typically because they choose to. But when men stay virgin, it is typically because they want to be promiscuous but are not attractive enough in one way or another. So it's not an insult to men who are attractive in all ways but choose to stay a virgin, since they are in the same level as virgin women. It's only an insult to incels.

[Vegasrunner]

@LazerBean One of the most common insults for a man is to call him a virgin or claim he can't get sex so your statement is flawed

[MikeTheBartender]

I wanted to lose my virginity at 8 years old... Took a decade. I totally agree

[ManOnFire]

Because sexually pure women are seen as a treasure to worship and take advantage of. Sexually inexperienced men are looked at - even by women - as weak, invaluable, or they must have confidence issues with women for why they're still virgins.

[Anonymous]

Because as a man, you’re seen as a bitch, a nerd, a loser, pussy, etc, by other men if you can’t get laid. Possibly even labeled as gay. Some women will shame a man also, but more so other men. Women on the other hand, being pure from as long back as history can remember, purity was seen as a good thing in women. Nowadays it’s still the same. Most men don’t want a girl w experience unless it’s for a one night stand or FWBs. Women on the other hand tend to like men w experience, not all but a number of them do. That’s just not experience in bed, but in a lot of things across life.

[Sharkstealth]

Because women are attracted to men who are currently having sex. It's called women's intuitions of confidence. That's why so many gals on here want to fuck a married man. Its also why you say all guys cheat but once again of course the girl isn't cheating with that married or taken man. Women are attracted to men who have lots of friends including women.

Men don't want a girl who has lots of guy friends. We also don't want a girl who has 3 children from 3 different fathers. Those girls are for the losers and the alphas. I have to much pride for that. I would rather be alone than father an alphas or a losers child. Women like guys with children because it shows he was committed once and he has sexual experience. You all say it constantly and then deny when confronted. You love losers and we do not.

[jennyPuss]

Because sex is easy to achieve for women and difficult to resist and difficult for men to achieve. Therefore sex is seen as a rite of passage for men from boy hood into manhood. A test of competency.

[MicahRaine]

Because people have a misconception that woman refrain some sex purely by choice while men refrain from sex purely because they can't get laid.

In my experience, anyone without mental or physical disabilities can get laid. Both numerous members of both genders partake in breakup, make up, pity, casual, and experimental sex.

[MicahRaine]

Pardon my grammatical errors

[Vegasrunner]

@MicahRaine Studies, historical evidence amd history disagree with you.

[MicahRaine]

You know it :)

[Vegasrunner]

@MicahRaine TY glad you agree.

[MikeyObrien]

Because its easy for women to get sex and hard for men to get it. So a virgin woman shows self control while a virgin man shows low value. It's not really complicated.

[Vegasrunner]

@MikeyObrien Tell that to the numerous commenter's who can't seem to understand this simple concept.

[Anonymous]

Because it’s hard for a woman to stay a virgin with all the guys hitting on her and all the temptation. And because more women are sexually liberal now and virgins in their 20s are very rare. It’s like the diamond-water paradox.
More men, on the other hand, want to lose their virginity, but they can’t. If you are at least a decent guy with some intelligence, conversation skills and fitness, you can easily lose your virginity. However, maybe you can’t lose it to some high value women, but to some sluts.

I respect a man who stays a virgin until he finds the best possible partner. With my mindset now, I would have done the same

[just_a_potato]

just flip the context around, and you'll soon see why.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_a_potato proof again that women react w/ feeling instead of fact

[just_a_potato]

are you gonna respond this way anytime I respond to your questions 😂

[Vegasrunner]

@just_a_potato That response is based solely on yours. If you can show the ability to engage in a mature conversation w/ intelligent remarks that pertaining to the subject matter then, you'll receive relevant responses in return.

[just_a_potato]

Boo.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_a_potato This is another example of female immaturity. TY for this.

[just_a_potato]

You're welcome ❤️

[Vegasrunner]

@just_a_potato This is awesome, ty so much a great example a woman's needs to say something so bad but doesn't have anything to offer. TY

[just_a_potato]

😂😂😂

[Vegasrunner]

@just_a_potato TY for sharing this, just another example that there is no limit to female immaturity.

[just_a_potato]

Wow, you must really like me to be pinging my notifications this often! Don't worry your sweet little head, this is the last time I respond in this one, I have better things to do. But I'm sure I'll be seeing you in my comments again soon dear. Toodles.

[Vegasrunner]

@just_a_potato Tell yourself whatever males you feel better. This is another great lesson for men to see. Of course you'll respond because most women aren't congruent with their words and always need to feel like they were right.

[Anonymous]

When a girl chooses to stay a virgin, it shows she has a lot of self control. She has value. Although, that isn't to say a girl who isn't a virgin doesn't have value. But It is really good when a girl can stay virgin. I'm not sure about guys, personally I think great of guys who are virgins.

[kellytheman]

I think society thinks a guy is a loser or not a real man if he has not had sex before he graduated high school and college. For a women it’s a compliment because it means she not easy or slutty even if she had sex with one person or once.

[thenerdone]

In our traditionally patriarchal society, women (especially young women) have more sexual value than men. In a given encounter, men "gain" and women "lose". This also leads to the seemingly hypocritical stud/slut dynamic— getting lots of, you know, versus giving yourself away, thereby decreasing your own value.

Personally I think it's a bunch of crap, and that the sexual "liberation" of our society has seriously screwed us over.

[Ladsin2]

Women’s primary agency is their sexuality. The goal for a woman is to not give that agency over to any but one man who will provide for her and her children. If a woman has multiple males but can’t lock any down it means she’s failed at her role.

Men’s primary source of agency is resource acquisition. Having reproductive access to multiple women means you’re succeeding at something. Having no access means you’re failing at something.

[Anonymous]

You're a man right? Go to a bar, go up to 10 girls and tell them listen, "I'm from out of town. I'm only here for one night, I think you're really cute, let's have some drinks, and if we hit it off, let's go back to my place?" Then have your female friend do the same thing, tell me how the results go.

[Berethor]

A man is like a key, a woman is like a lock.

[SugarSugarplum]

Try being a girl over 18 and telling people you're a virgin.

Regardless, it only carries a stigma because of local mores.

[Vegasrunner]

@SugarSugarplum You would instantly become one of the most valuable women in the planet.

[SugarSugarplum]

There's only one man I seek to be the most valuable to.

[Vegasrunner]

@SugarSugarplum Now you have a much better chance to attract him.

[Unit1]

Beats me, although there's no denying, that girls can get sex by just asking and men have to almost move hills for a chance to get it.

[Vegasrunner]

@Unit1 Agreed, that's why society respects men that are able to get sex from a lot of different woman

[Unit1]

Certainly so

[katiesmuff]

This is the first that I have ever heard of this being so!

[Vegasrunner]

@katiesmuff Lol, that's crazy

[paledreams]

It's not an insult.
Imagine being clean and not having been exposed to getting an STD or STI :P
I'm joyfully a virgin

[Vegasrunner]

@paledreams And you will remain one thinking like that.

[paledreams]

I'm very happy 😁 after all, most women are players themselves or they're just stringing a guy along lol 🧵 so I for one save myself time, stress, schedules and money (dates gifts sharing accommodation or a house loan lol and more etc) by keeping myself single and no mingle 👅♀️😛

[paledreams]

And avoiding anyone coming onto me who's ♂️

[paledreams]

@Vegasrunner you try to take care sir, cya 😎🆒😎

[Vegasrunner]

@paledreams I'm not the one that's never gotten laid.

[paledreams]

@Vegasrunner okay Vegas Runner 😋 okay - sure is a nice Monday

[Vegasrunner]

@paledreams Glad I could educate you

[82lynx]

I get only one V-card. STDs are a dime a dozen.

[Vegasrunner]

@82lynx You're a 43 yro Virgin?

[82lynx]

At the risk of sounding like a certain crappy movie, yeah. The title character can eat his heart out.

[Vegasrunner]

@82lynx Yea, no guy wants to trade places with you.

[82lynx]

Yeah, well, I would rather choose my own way than be a dumb ox whose direction in life is determined entirely by his package.

[Vegasrunner]

@82lynx Doesn't sound like much of a life at all.

[82lynx]

Speaking of which, why are you even here and giving me so much attention? Am I really that fascinating? If you’re as much of a stallion as you’re implying you should be out sniffing butts constantly.

[Vegasrunner]

@82lynx Great question. It's fascinating that you believe responding to a question is "giving you so much attention" this highlights how little you receive on a day to day basis as in your head any attention is much when compared to your day to day. You are a 40 yro virgin IRL you are extremely fascinating to me because I've never met one. I realize you don't understand how sex works but there's plenty of time to bang multiple women and still respond to you.

[LiamJHayden]

The assumption is that the woman is that way by choice and the guy is that way by his lack of being desired.

[Vegasrunner]

@LiamJHayden Pretty accurate assumption

[PrettyCrumblBb]

Cos society is dumb. I like men that are saving themselves for marriage. Guys that want to sleep with every women, are a turn off.

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb Guys that want to maybe but Obviously not guys who can

[PrettyCrumblBb]

What?

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb Guys that only want to sleep with every woman are a turn of guys that can are obviously a turn on to women.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

They're both turns off because they don't know true love.

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb If they were really turnoff than how are we able to bang a bunch of girls?

[MikeTheBartender]

As a guy that has had sex with a lot of women, I totally agree, I have a lot of issues of love.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

@Vegasrunner nope I don't find them attractive

[PrettyCrumblBb]

@MikeTheBartender guys that have sex with a bunch of women are not husbands material

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb I'm not sure why you think that relevant. The entire point of being able to have sex with a lot of women is so you don't have to concern yourself w/ what one women thinks. There's literally millions of beautiful women in the world why would you think anyone cares who you find attractive?

[PrettyCrumblBb]

@Vegasrunner
I said I don't find them attractive and you left a comment saying I do. Stop being an idiot

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb I certainly never did anything like that. It's a strange statement to make, w/ millions of women in the world why would anyone care about your preference?

[PrettyCrumblBb]

You did tho. Read ur comment

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb Tell yourself whatever you need to feel better

[PrettyCrumblBb]

I don't really care what u think 😂

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb If that were true you wouldn't spend the time telling me about your preference when no one asked you.

[PrettyCrumblBb]

You did tho

[Vegasrunner]

@prettycrumblbb I understand why you need to feel this way

[PrettyCrumblBb]

You're boring me 👋🏻

[U4ea0]

Maybe because men and women are very different?

[Anonymous]

Because women are valued for their purity and men are valued for their capabilities.

[SunnyGirly]

It feels like an insult for me too though lol

[Vegasrunner]

@SunnyGirly Na, it's a compliment. One of the 1st insults a girl uses against another girl when she's angry is to call her a slut and one of the first points a guy would bring up to his friends when discussing a girl he's thinking of taking seriously is her purity.

[DrPepper12]

Its a needless word to begin with but the purity of women and the licentiousness of men

[Pohjolan]

Being a non-virgin man requires effort.

Being a non-virgin woman usually doesn't.

[RingOfFire]

Nature. Experienced is a masculine trait. Innocence and purity is a feminine trait.

[coollove8981]

It can only be an insult for a guy who does not see its value.

[Vegasrunner]

@coollove8981 Interesting take, you men for a guy to not see the value of sex?

[Anonymous]

I could say why are girls & women attracted to bad boys and guys who have had sex a few times with other girls.

[midnightcavern01]

Is it? I was not aware :)

[Vegasrunner]

@midnightcavern01 We'll I'm glad I could educate you.

[OddBeMe]

TOXIC MASCULINITY

[Dongie]

Because we're supposed to be conquerors.

[Cheerfull009]

Virginity is pride for both