Why do the majority of women resort to insulting men who say uncomfortable truths?

[Shoichiro]

I have noticed that when any male, myself included, points out something about females that doesn't paint them in a good light but is true nonetheless, the male is accused of having some kind of issue.

For example, they would call a man "immature" if he thinks that periods are disgusting (which they are). I imagine this is because it paints women as being unsanitary, which does not serve women well if they are trying to manipulate men into putting them on a pedestal. Disclaimer: I know that women didn't choose to have periods, however, that's irrelevant to the question on whether or not they're disgusting. If I call a fire hot, it's not like the fire CHOSE to be hot, but it is hot regardless.

In the U. S., white men who are attracted to East Asian women are often accused of having a "fetish" or "yellow fever." This raises the question: if a white woman only dates white men, is that a fetish? This labeling seems to stem from white women feeling threatened by the changing dynamics with white men and attempting to ostracize those who don’t admire them. Many white men say they prefer East Asian women due to distaste in Western women’s demands, but expressing this can lead to accusations of male supremacy.

An example is when men express disgust toward fat women, leading many Western women to label them as "fatphobic." The issue is that this confuses disgust with fear. Just as women can be disgusted by certain men, men can be disgusted by certain women. The problem lies in the reluctance to accept that someone can genuinely feel disgust without intending to offend.

I have a few more examples, but I think you have an idea at this point. I would like to know the truth about why the majority of women resort to ostracism in these situations instead of considering whether the statement is true. I also want to know whether you agree with anything here.

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The first response to this post was by Anonymous Female (18-24):
"So, came on the internet to have a quick cry?"
Perfectly illustrates my point with a live example. Very unironic.

[Anonymous]

Because they know it’s the truth but don’t want to accept it as truth. They get their feelings hurt as well if it’s something directly aimed at them. Just like the girl who’s saying it's patriarchal propaganda. She has no argument other than to say it’s the patriarchy the way a lot of women say. Forget that it’s the truth, it’s the patriarchy. When they have no logical argument they start throwing out their feelings, blaming patriarchy as if all men are on the top echelon of life running Fortune 500 companies. Doesn’t matter that the majority of homeless are men, the majority of suicides are men, etc, etc, etc. Women tend to base everything off of their feelings. Out of the three women who answered, two of them tossed out their feelings rather than thinking is this true what he’s asking? If so why? But no let’s go off on a tangent based on feelings.

[Shoichiro]

I agree.

[Stevepro68]

The main reasons are power dynamics. Most men and males in general are the top of the social food chain so to speak. In general more power and influence. Looking at it from the most powerful and influential men and women down to least. At every level of our society men are a notch higher. So it makes it really really easy to hate something about a person in power. I recommend cognitive humility in apply what from your perspective is an uncomfortable truth. Doesn't mean in fact it's empirically true, and understand that there is price to being top dog.

[Shoichiro]

I used the term "uncomfortable truths" in order to get the point across. I'm referring to things like calling women fat, disliking certain things about some women etc..

There exist men who occupy positions of power, but there are clearly a significantly larger number who do not occupy any position of power. To assume that being a man immediately means that you are in a position of power is simply false, especially since modern western women are given so many privileges that men aren't such as lighter jail sentences for the same crimes etc..

I'm not exactly sure what your point is so it would be nice if you could elaborate here.

[Stevepro68]

Kind of you making my point for me. You say lighter jail sentences for the same crime. Where? what statistics? Who composed them? Are you sure really sure about that statement. Are you really sure the crimes are identical? Are you finding that from primary sources or is it just reported? Are there any confounding variables history priors, local laws vs state vs federal? You see that statement is hopelessly vague yet sound like it might be true and may have singular events that fit the bill. It soo broad a statement it's impossible to disprove or prove. Those types of things get called truths. That's my point always question your underlying assumptions question the evidence. Look actively for evidence that proves you wrong. Carefully evaluate the quality of the evidence. Understand that only experts in The field can probably truly understand the evidence completely. Always always question sources that produce emotional responses especially fear and anger. Even objective facts like the sun rises in the East and sets in the west is not objectively completely true. Maybe why people alor women are upset is because what you think is objective truth uncomfortable or not is wrong. And people have a good sense of when someone is trying to antagonize them rather than communicate with them. Always always check yourself first.

[Shoichiro]

I agree that I should check myself first and that these things I'm pointing out can be very difficult or impossible to prove.

You may be correct in your statement here, but I can ask you the exact same thing. What statistics do you have to show that most men are at the top of the food chain in all levels of society? I am well aware that I can't prove that women get lighter sentences for the same crimes in the mathematical sense, unless there was some way to guarantee that all data about this issue is perfect and accessible to me to evaluate. But can you prove your claim? It seems you're dismissing all of the men who are not at the top in order for your statement to look true.

Let's go further into your statement about how most men are notch higher at every level of society. Men aren't a notch higher when it comes to choosing a partner in practice, women are. Do you disagree? Men aren't a notch higher when it comes to priority of life either since women and children are put first. You should take your own advice and check yourself first.

Let me reiterate that statistics are not perfect. There is no guarantee that the results are accurate. I'm not saying they're useless but if we want to be rigorous, we need to consider that fact similarly to how we're considering the fact that you or I could be making up junk.

If you honestly thought I was trying to antagonize anyone when writing my question, please let me know.

[Stevepro68]

What about ism is rampant. Still valid question and I like the way you are thinking. That said... How many females presidents have we had in the last 20nyears? 89.6% of CEO of fortune 500 are men, woman pay is catching up to men on average but still all variables being equal same job same age same area of US women still make 92 cents on the dollar for the same job. Up from 86 cents 20 years ago.
Women are greater than 50% of the population in the US. They are 25% of the Senate, 29%of the house, 24%of govenors , generally rare for any state representative to have greater than 30%.
Theses are just a few data points that are easily verified. What is the evidence that women's power and influence is superior to men?

[Shoichiro]

For you to say that "what-about-ism" is rampant is ridiculous here since you are asserting that men hold the power at every level of society, and in order for me to disprove your claim, I am required to give counterexamples. "What-about-ism" (as you call it) is both necessary and sufficient precisely because of your argument.

My argument is not that women's power and influence is superior to men. I was simply disagreeing with your claim that men are a notch higher at every level of society.

Regarding the power women hold in partner selection, studies on data from dating apps have shown that men like 62% of women they see on dating apps while women like 5% of men on these apps. In my opinion, this information is a good heuristic to show who holds power when it comes to mate selection (it is a heuristic however, just like the data you brought about CEOs and gender pay). This is evidence against men being a notch higher at every level of society.

[Shoichiro]

To address your point about the percentage of male CEOs in Fortune 500 companies, it seems very biased and/or naive to disregard the fact that interests of men and women play no role in the distribution of the gender of CEOs. According to psychologists, men are more likely to be willing to sacrifice everything in the pursuit of their career than women are. This is a generalization, of course, but that has no effect on my point - the people who are more willing to sacrifice everything in the pursuit of their career are probably more likely to become the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, therefore the CEO of a Fortune 500 company is more likely to be male on that basis. I don't think this is the only reason, but I think it is a significant reason, but my primary point here is that relevant variables are being ignored to push the narrative that women are oppressed. I suspect that there have been biases in selecting female CEOs in the past, but I'm unsure on that now, especially after all of this leftist pushing that's been happening recently.

[Stevepro68]

Great I like the thought process. 3 data points supporting my claim leadership in government, control of most influential corporations, 0 females US president. Interesting data on apps but what is the societal value of mens position on dating apps. Lets compare that influence vs men dominated the most influential US companies on the planet. Or being the titular head of one of the most powerful nation states in the world.
A better argument with supporting data would be that a significant portion of men are sex trafficked in the US. In some age groups more than women. Essentially enslavement long after it has been outlawed. See that is counter data that carries weight. As long as you ignore the fact the 98% of criminal convictions for sex trafficking in the US are male. Meaning even when men are being enslaved it's men doing it. 🙄
Don't get me wrong with rare exceptions we all feel the pinch. We don't feel like we have an advantage. Because we don't always. It's on balance we win more than we lose

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

A lot of “uncomfortable truths” are just patriarchal propaganda that a lot of men buy into

[Shoichiro]

That simply isn't true. It would be good if you could counter anything specifically written in the question and try to change my mind, stating how it is "patriarchal propaganda".
From what I see here, you have no way to save face other than to claim that what I've just said is a lie.
Let's suppose you disliked the smell of used socks. If I told you that you don't actually dislike the socks and it's just a bunch of matriarchal propaganda, what would you say? You must see my point here.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

If you’re so convinced that everything I say is a lie based solely on the fact that I’m a woman, what fair chance do I have to change your mind when it’s already made up?

[Shoichiro]

Are you not the one that first claimed 'A lot of “uncomfortable truths” are just patriarchal propaganda that a lot of men buy into'? Is this not clearly claiming that the things I have stated in the question description are lies?

I would like you to point out at least one of the points I made in the description and tell me why you think its "patriarchal propaganda". Then we can have a potentially useful discussion.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

You’re using personal preferences and describing them as universal

[Shoichiro]

You aren't being helpful at all. Bring up a specific point in the question description and tell me why it is "patriarchal propaganda".

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I’m not trying to be helpful

[MzAsh]

Sounds like these ladies have some of their own uncomfortable truths up their sleeve too.

[Shoichiro]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[MzAsh]

It’s ok for you 🫵 to have uncomfortable truths but when others have them, it’s insults. You can handle it.

[Shoichiro]

I still don't know what you're talking about. Tell me the uncomfortable truths and let's see if I can digest them.

[BonzoInBitburg]

Another uncomfortable truth is a lot white guy have an Asian fetish. My wife is from SE Asia and we typically hang out with other Asian couples. I know too many white guys who marry SE Asian women because they cook and clean for them and when they are with other white guys they complain about their wife's culture and very few try to learn their wife's language like me. It's transactional and I don't care because both sides get what they want but the Asian fetish is very realre-state//background_color_rgba (0, 0, 0, 0), font_color_rgb (77, 77, 77), justifyLeft

[Anonymous]

So, came on the internet to have a quick cry?

[Shoichiro]

You are the perfect example of what I'm describing, thank you.

[Ariesman81]

You make them feel bad... they return the favor by making you feel bad.

[Shoichiro]

Do you think it's possible that I'm telling the truth while they're lying?

[Ariesman81]

Yeah... but it doesn't matter. Your logic is irrelevant to most women.

[Shoichiro]

I see. I never argued that my logic was relevant to women, but I still want to find out what the deal is.

[jahaims]

Defense mechanism