How about objectifying men? You probably dont think it exists but it does. As a man you are only attractive when you are ripped, have a sixpack and are rich. And you need to be the perfect man, showering your girlfriend with gifts but if you think what do it get in return? You are a chauvinistic pig. This is what the media is telling you, or so people say, i dont really see it. In the real world however you will find that this is just not true. Sure what is deemed mainstream attractive changes every decade. But this doesn't mean that all guys only find that attractive. Every person finds different things attractive and that isn't dictated by what crap the media says. You will find that most guys have their own preferences. Me personally i think the whole big butt craze is ridicoulus, and i find it to be incredibly unattractive. I think kim kardashian looks like a beached whale. But that is just me, sure there are guys that do find that attractive. But thats not the point. Every guy finds something else attractive in women and that has nothing to do with the media. And dont say men are objectifying women we just are not. Every person has their own preferences i am sure you do aswell. And i dont count that as objectifying a gender.
Sorry if the spelling is bad, but i am not a native speaker so it might be a bit messy.
Beautifully spoken.
I mean, to be fair, I had to grow up hearing, and to this day STILL hear, that women want "tall, dark, and handsome." I'm tall, my mom says I'm handsome, haha, but I DEFINITELY am not dark. I read on here fairly frequently how blond guys just don't appeal to many women. So I mean, that sucks, you never want to hear that in my position. But the key is: just don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. It's not like I've never pulled a girl before, I always did pretty well historically. So it's not THAT crippling to not meet the ideal standard of attractiveness to the opposite sex. And every day I see short guys with girlfriends, not-so-handsome guys with girlfriends, blond guys with girlfriends... all these ideals are just words in the air. It's not like only the girls with a fat butt have boyfriends, haha. People get too caught up in what they think they should look like. You can be attracted to a quality that someone doesn't have and still be attracted to that person. It's just not that black-and-white, people just get attracted to whoever they're attracted to, and it doesn't mean they completely rule people without said quality out.
It goes both ways, firstly.
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Also, what makes you think that objectification of women is never desired or carries any sort of advantage towards women? Getting compliments or positive reinforcement for your body is a huge confidence booster. You can twist it however you wish as being 'degrading' and whatnot but I guarantee you'd get your panties in a twist if you ever get rude comments towards your body as well. If you don't want your body to be judged or used as a part of how others view you as well... best just stay at home indefinitely.
It's a big factor of how people perceive you and accordingly will treat you. It's not like they see your competency in the workplace or personality-type right from the get-go. It's also not impossible, nor that difficult, to work on feeling good about yourself regarding parts other than your sexuality, with the latter being just the cherry on top.
If how 'men objectify you' is your only source of personal value, all that means is your were lazy af and took the easy way to 'success' or search for self validation.
"If how 'men objectify you' is your only source of personal value, all that means is your were lazy af and took the easy way to 'success' or search for self validation."
This so much.
As far as I figured it most women complaining about objectification are either those who have nothing else to offer or who are simply jealous towards other women for getting such attention.
But hey, its always someone elses fault. Much easier to get through life like that ;)
We will ALWAYS be objectified in one way or another by "most" men.
I do not think that will ever change.
and because all girls want to be liked and wanted, mens' preference in women will always affect the great majority of women... Just look at all the girls getting ass implants xD... Before it was boobs... and because of all the implants, not what was once considered "big" in natural boobs, are not viewed as small, because the natural big ones must compete with the enormous silicon that guys are going crazy for, but will not admit it because they can't even tell the difference...
and now all this craze about having a gigantic ass... and all because men are lusting for it... If they wouldn't be all crazy over assess, I bet all these girls wouldn't even be interested in expanding their butts.
I wonder what's next... o_o
and all these girls will be back in surgery room to accentuate the next body part that men will be most attracted to in the future... D:
Ehh women tend to start most of their trends. Remember the thigh gap? No guy ever have a shit about it, but suddenly women started going crazy for it and altering their bodies cause they THOUGHT men wanted that, but we never did, and we still don't.
At least the "in" thing varies from time to time so different bodied girls get time in the spotlight.
The male standard has always been pretty much the same:
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This is not true of all guys, and honestly it's almost entirely self imposed by women on themselves through publications which promote these trends. Do you really think in most cases a guy is going to critique you in the same way a fashion magazine or journal critiques you and gives you "advice" on how to be completely "jaw dropping"? I would be hard pressed to believe that any more than a small percentage of the male population would do that.
Instead, I tend to see women putting up these arbitrary goal posts that they then compete against themselves on. Just like the thigh gap trend, the boob contouring, and so on.
Also most fashion magazines are actually run by females. Older females, but females nonetheless.
Evidence to facilitate this claim:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women%27s_magazines
Almost every magazine out of a non-Arabic or India, or other such countries which are generally considered biased to men, are run by women.
I'm not into huge asses at all, most of this shit get's pushed by the magazines, they always have something to write about and so they just can't wait for new trends and shit. Do you really think that just because the media pushes a certain image a guy's taste in women is going to change?
The magazines use their titles to make you think theyhave the secret to everything, you're just a sub par woman now but as soon as you buy this you'll have the secret to the universe or something. I wouldn't care too much about trends and just try and look good in a way that suits you. You can't change how wide your hips are for instance. So if you take the slender elven look from Lord of the Rings and the big ass look, no woman can do both right? You're going to fit in one catergory or the other or somwhere in the middle. So don't follow a "beauty trend" if its not for you. If one comes along that is for you and you ike it then do it therwise just ignore it.
I'm trying to say, find your own style and don't try to be something that doesn't fit you. I think you have a pretty wrong idea of what guys like. We don't all come together and have a convention to decide what's pretty now. Every guy has their own taste and it doesn't have anything to do (for me at least) with what's in the media.
men are objectified too just in different ways.
looks - sure, there is not as much media emphasis on the ideal physique for women as there is for women, but the time and dedication required to get that rugged hugh jackman look - cooking, eating, lifting weights - is significantly harder than the aerobics and dieting women have to go through to get size twelve. typically it's not women, not men demanding smaller sizes than that and lots of men - myself included - are actually perfectly content with slightly larger sizes.
money - if men date for looks, then women date for money, no doubt about it. think about it: prostitution and pornography are three times more profitable for women than men; attractive women typically don't date or sleep with men unless they pay for something - whether it's the bill for the date, lavish gifts or literal prostitution; women are more likely to marry for money than men.
status - there's a reason the average tom, dick or harry doesn't get laid and that's because women are always looking for social status. entrepeneurship and high paying salaries are signs of an ambitious, charasmatic man and this is typically the kind of thing women are demanding for in men. confidence attracts but plain old niceness and personality don't do as much. they can even be repellent.
in short, complain all you want about men but on the whole women have MASSIVE standards - they are just better at hiding it and playing the victim card.
People will always objectify the other gender to some extent because looks matter to everyone to some extent. Looks are not everything and they do matter to some people more than others but anyone that says looks do not matter to them at all is telling lies.
Also yes men do objectify women but women are also just as bad at doing it to us men to you know.
Some women have such high standards that no man can even achieve even if he wanted to. How do you think that makes men feel knowing they can't live up to those standards. Also what about some of those women's TV shows like Ellen they have men with tops off every single show.
Both genders get objectified not just women.
There is nothing objectifying about male heterosexuality and in a generation that considers transgenderism and other forms of sexual deviancy to be normal, I feel no shame for liking sexy feminine women. Furthermore, very few people realistically expect a woman to look like supermodels and the media. Those women are the pinnacle of female beauty, the creme of the crop so to speak. We are reasonable and would settle for an averagely attractive woman. But again, I will never feel shame for liking beautiful women and being heterosexual.
1996? Just creme of the crop, speaking-so to speak: you are trying way too hard to make up for something you lack. Your utter arrogance is something you most definitely should feel shame in.
I should feel shame in liking beautiful women? I'm sorry that my normal sexuality offends you. I already stated once that nobody realistically expects every woman to live up to the media's standards. That is precisely why such women are famous: because they're the few who do. It is the same reason why you girls fantasize over silly chick flicks like the Titanic.
Again, your unrelenting arrogance should shame you, nothing else my dear.
I'm sorry :( please don't be mad at me.
So you are saying women don't objectify men? I think everyone objectifies the opposite gender.
Guys aim for money and status so girls objectify men by their money and their status. Girls aim to be princesses and models so men objectify women based on their appearances.
Does this mean all men judge women by how they look only? No. Does this mean all women judge men by what they have $$$ only? No. It goes both ways.
Also, the media puts pressure on both genres equally. Not everyone can look like Scarleth Johansson or Chris Hermsworth. It's obvious the people they select for the media are top notch good looking and not the average Joe's. Do you see me complaining and comparing myself to those dudes? Nah, I wan to look good truth but how will I compare myself, say, to George Clooney or some shit? lol faulty logic you have.
It's not our problem your self esteem is like shit and you feel bad cause you can't be as hot as most men want.
I'm no Channing Tatum, not even close, do I cry about it? No. It is what it is.
Stop whining and feeling bad about yourself, cause everyone has their own preferences, both men and women, so don't blame men for your shit.
It's not "men" it's media. Understand that the "objectification" you are talking about is marketing, with they eye of selling products. I'll give you example of "thigh gap" most guys don't have an opinion one way or another about them, in fact until I started seeing questions on this site about them I didn't even know that they were a thing. I can give you other examples. Now to be fair, guys do SEE sexy as opposed to THINK sexy in the sense that guys are attracted to how things look we are wired that way, it's biological a guy has no control over that.
What do you mean by objectify? That we consider some stunning girls beautiful? Well.. Yeah. I mean, sure. Don't you do the same to some men?
Most female beauty standards are made by women, not men. As for men we're varied enough that if you're just staying healthy you've almost certainly passed the bar.
And again, going to stress this, excuse the caps but you need to get this in your head: FEMALE FASHION MEDIA AND TRENDS ARE MADE BY WOMEN. NOT MEN.
There, read that ten times then go to bed hating your own gender, not the other one. We're happy with some very light makeup and you not being obese. Easy to please really.
I think women R the ones who make all those trends. Like even with corsets in the past, I heard that lots of doctors and men were against them because of the health risks of tight-lacing hurting ribs and organs. But the women wore them anyway. Corsets actually made a huge comeback this decade becuz of the kardashians.
And just like b4 women wear them and everything else voluntarily.
they do tend to follow just about every trend blindly... gets worse.
do you realize that women's publications, that push this standard, are mostly written by women, and edited by women, and sold to women?
it is not as if men create new standards every 20 years and then shove them down women's throats with some magical power.
many men do yes, but we women do it too. we all perpetuate this objectification. sometimes it might seem frustrating for us as women to be perceived this way, but strangely other times it might feel hot and empowering or we do it to get the attention. I don't know.
Do women realise how much they objectify men?
Every decade has what is "attractive" in a woman. This one it's either a scrawny bearded weirdo or a bodybuilder. Do you girls, and/or the media mostly women are driving, realise how you are making young boys who can't possibly ever live up to this standard feel about themselves?
(but really... look at all the women's magazines drooling over celebrity 'hunks' at the beach and think about how a guy who is shorter or less built must feel)
Edit: what is "attractive" in a *man*. D'oh!
Both genders objectify lust over each other. It's part of human nature.
Having said that, everyone's got their own tastes and preferences. What's attractive to one may not be attractive to another. Yes, some men and women have very high standards but it's not that way for everyone.
Ohh boo fcking hoo. Lol cry me a river. Yeah.. "ALL MEN ARE PIGS" This hook up culture that we are in.. women objectify themselves. I feel like women like you are just mad and sexually frustrated because you can't find sex. Don't like your body.. ? Change that and work your ass off for a better one instead of just blaming the world.
What's wrong with being objectified? We all want to be made to look sexy. Everyone wants to feel like their body is attractive in someone else's eyes.
And you girls do it to us guys way more often than you want to admit. At least as much as guys do to women.
I think its us women that is the problem.
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True that. Women do the same thing in many ways. How much a guy makes, his height, his ambition, etc. We men are sexualized by how high are status are. The more powerful a dude is the more women get wet.
I could go as far to say women only love male status and NOT men themselves.
This is not objetification, these are beauty "standards" that exist for both genders. What about those men who get desperate to gain muscles and stuff only to fit the male "standard" of beauty? It works the same way for both sides.
i dont think the argument is that women are the only ones objectified. men are too, but far far less. frankly many women just aren't crazy about mens bodies being a certain way. maybe height is the one physical feature women are set on when it comes to men. i know i dont care about the muscles much compared to how much most men gawk over boobs and butt. mens pressure is real too but its more about being expected to be tough. machismo expectations can be horrible too.
@Ghosted Are sure that these expectations really come from normal men? I don't deny that the media put too much pressure on women and beauty and stuff like that. But using myself and the people I know as a parameter, we don't actually require so many things. Honestly I don't give a fuck about butt size and I'm happy with smalls boobs too. I'm not denying that some men want too much, but I don't think that these men are the vast marjority.
oh i believe u that most average men dont truly expect anywhere near models. i do think there's a disconnect though. many men will talk one thing but be more forgiving in real life. hell even other women make it rough for women. I don't know why we do it! i think thats where the objectification comes in. we women see ourselves being objectified all the time from a very young age. it kinda fucks with our heads to be honest lol. i mean look at some of the insecurities girls bring up here on gag! itt gets soo detailed and weird but for many girls, they get really crippled by these insecurties for real
@Ghosted Yeah, those insecurities suck, women have too much pressure on them when talking about beauty and standards and such things, like you said, you put pressure on yourselves too. Perhaps a more deeper view on reality, real cases of real people can help us to ease this pressure. And I say us because many men are getting like that too, it's becoming more and more common as the "beauty market" expands (even though I think that for us men this thing comes later in life).
Same goes for men. Not everyone is muscular, tall, and with blue eyes. You just have to realize that there are many different bodies that can be attractive to the other gender, not just the one the media sells.
do you constantly hear songs about muscular tall blue eyed men? no lol but you do about money so i guess same to same
I guess the movies count, at least (?) You're overreacting. I mean, it's obvious that a guy watching a girl on the TV won't be thinking: "Oh, how is she feeling?" No. He thinks: "Oh, what a nice ass". It's natural, because you don't know the person at all, so you can just delight on their phyisical attributes. That doesn't mean we don't like other kinds of girls. If your goal is to have the best body a man could desire, work out. Well toned legs and nice abs are always extremely attractive.
No but there are plenty of adverts objectifying men on Tv and the female talent show judges and audience members and then there are Tv shows like Poldark.
I'm not sure it's mostly men that are driving the fashion trends for body image that the media portrays. I would argue that it's women who are behind what gets presented as "ideal" in the fashion media.
Actually, it's mostly gay men in the fashion industry that are pushing that image.
Lol. How many women do you see dating men significantly shorter than they are? Now tell us again about how hard it is to meet some physical preferences?
Exactly impossible.
Lol, so guys complain about how women don't find males attractive on the whole, but now they want to claim that we objectify them?
Make your minds up, lads.
Are you really going to say women dont have a ideal standard for what makes a man attractive?
Men face pressure to be tall, muscular, confident, outgoing, smooth, funny, smart, and wealthy.
Were also expected to just deal with it because if we complain about womens standards we are written off as "being bitter" or "whining".
However when you complain your issues are taken seriously and anyone while anyone who dares to question your complaints is labeled as "sexist" or "mysoginistic"
I've had experiences with this before but more from girls than guys! I think girls objectify other girls so much worse than a guy could ever! And, I have been turned by guys before with how I look which sucked! But that's life
women objectify men as much. man just happen to be more visual beings and it´s pretty easy to point out visual objectification.
female objectification of men happens in regards to the ability to protect, provide and lead.
I hope you realize this goes for us men too
But it's when there is ever going to be doubt... that you listen to your head and not the media. There is beauty everywhere, it has many forms. And everyone's taste is different
I somewhat practically drool over very attractive men. (Usually models on my FB feeds) I have my moments. It's just hormones. It does somewhat poison kids minds but it's been going on since forever. It's not like it's gotten worse.
It's not just men. Women do a great job of objectifying themselves too. That being said not all men and women are like that. Who the hell buys the magazines with unrealistic supermodels wearing underwear? Not men.
How about Forbe's most sexiest man alive? How do you think we feel when we realize we will never even come close to that kind of physique? You take women's side yet you dont give a shit about how men feel do you?
I objectify the shit out of men so. I'm not gonna bitch.
There's so much wrong in what you're saying and so much you're overlooking.
Oh, you love it. Maybe not you, but I don't know a woman, who's successfully with a REAL man, who doesn't like the fact he loves her body and her parts.
How would you like it if your man told you, "I love you only for your mind."?
its not only men objectifiny women its also the other way arround... We live in superficial world
So?
Chris Hemsworth makes me feel bad about myself.
Big deal.
Funny how a thread like this can remain, but a thread criticizing women in any way will immediately be removed.
I have that problem, i just psot it back up again and then have a go at admins.
These "admins" are women because it would be sexist not to have them... as you can see... women make crappy and highly unfair mods.
Moderation is mainly required to make the internet safe for women and children.
Or rather, to oppress men for the sake of women and children.
Women abuse this moderation system to the fullest
again, almost only female children
Guys feel this way too, it's just not as pointed out.
Hold up... You know women objectify men as well? Look at any magazine with men in it. Today you'll probably see chiseled jawlines, 6 pack, and toned biceps. Objectification goes both ways
I don't care that much about other people's oversensitivity.
i think it is more women think that is what guys want, therefore objectifying yourselves
women struggle with their every little move, word and action to be objectified. and if they can't get positive attention. they ask for negative, like you do right now.
Women objectify men with muscles and large penises. Deal with it.
Yes indeed and their are obsessed with men who have no body hair.
Because girls loving guys for their money and status is so much better...
Yeah and so am I sexist if I don't vote for Hilary?
pretty sure most do but will never admit it.
I don't like huge ass
blasphemy
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@BertMacklinFBI and women objectify men too lol
they totally do.
you probably experienced that firsthand on this website a lot lol
hun you do it too us we do it too you get over it
Do women realise how much they objectify men?
Yeah but you should flattered
Oh well you do it to us.
yes we do!
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