Do you think women specifically "have to be" more careful at night? (Page 2)

[princeofromance]

No, I think the media puts unnecessary fear into a woman's head by profiling these crimes on the news 24 / 7.

[Professor-college]

Whether you're a man or a woman you have to be more careful at night and be aware of your surroundings. Looking at your phone while you're walking it's never regular idea even during daytime

[Pete671]

No, everyone does, plenty of bad people out there,

[monkeynutts]

Yeah straight drunk dudes generally don't sexually harrass hairy bearded dudes like me.

[Filthy_Immigrant]

yeah only if you live in a third world country.

[msg321]

If we had a better world they wouldn't need to be more careful but reaalisticaally in today's world they have to.

[Kingofkings1992]

Obviously. Women are the physically weaker sex, and are more vulnerable when walking alone.

[kaucky1]

Yes very careful should carry a weapon to protect self

[Pterodon]

Definitely. I taught my girlfriend to shoot and she now carries

[chocolatetwopointo]

yes, if a man attacked me id probably loose, gotta have a weapon or good skills

[Manuelwe]

That is miff. All. people need to be extra careful any time of the day

[rana4747]

Yeah for everyone its important to get home ASAP

[Jhon_Cobretti]

Because men would rape them when they get a chance.

[CupOfCoffee1991]

Yes i do i don’t go unknown places alone especially at night.

[robocop666]

Yes Europe is dangerous now. Sweden is the rape capital of Europe.

[Anonymous]

Yes some people are weirdos. Everyone have to be careful but women more specifically.

[Ms_Facesitter]

Yes because we're physically weaker than men.

[Deserter2]

Sit on my face! 😡

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

No, men need to not be so dangerous at night

[grega239]

Try explaining that to a junkie

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

And the point goes soaring above your head

[grega239]

It doesn't

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

The word “have to be” is in quotes for a reason. The question is subtly trying to point to the fact that victims of rape often are made to bear the responsibility of said rape rather than their rapists in most social circumstances, asking questions like “why did you go out at night alone?” Or “what were you wearing when it happened?” Or “Why didn’t you scream or fight back?”

[grega239]

No they aren't. Rapists that get caught are sent to jail where they will not have a good time.

"Why did you go out at nighz alone" is a kinda valid question but extremely insensitive and shouldn't be asked.

What se was wearing is indeed aa dumb thing to say.

Screaming is infact advised to attract attention if possible.

I'll agree these are inappropriate question.

My issue with your original statement is because we had a case a few years back where a 13 year old almost got raped if 3 guys didn't happen to see it.
The would be rapist got fucked up really bad.

Men who aren't dangerous dont step in if such situations happen.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Okay, you’re calling it valid not realizing you’re proving my point that society teaches us to put the responsibility on victims for being assaulted rather than the assaulter. If that were the case, no one would be asking what she was doing out alone at night, but what he was doing. Do you get it now?

[grega239]

Im not proving your point. Im agreeing that those are inappropriate questions.
I've met several rape victims. Not once have i heard anyone have the nerve to ask any such questions.

As for. the responsability being pushed on the victim.
Yes and no.
Maybe they shouldn't go out at night or dress in a certain way. Their safety is their responsability.
This obviously doesn't excuse the crime but unfortunatly we dont live in a world where we can throw caution to the wind. Shitty people exsist and the possibility of harm has to be considered.

The victim isn't responsible for the assault, but they have to take steps to minimize the chance of it happening.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

But you wouldn’t say this to a bank if it was robbed. Do you see the juxtaposition in saying that an event completely outside of one’s control is something you’re partially responsible for versus acknowledging that for literally any other crime?

[Caroline91]

@cupcakethedestroyer Seems to me we can either argue the "how it should be" vs the "how it really is" ... one does not negate the other. No, women shouldn't have to worry about all of this stuff and we should be able to go wherever we want to, when we want to. BUT, that's not the reality of the world we live in. And, on Earth 1, women need to take responsibility not to put ourselves into potentially dangerous situations or, at the very least, to be prepared to protect ourselves if we end up in one. Maybe the point is really ideal vs real and caution vs. stupidity? I don't live my life in fear, but I do live it with a reasonable amount of caution. I'm pretty sure @grega239 gets it.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Both of you are assets to your patriarchy

[grega239]

Thats not a good comparison. I dont care about a bank.

And you dont seem to have read what i said.
Because i didn't say or imply the victim is in any way responsible for the event.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

You don’t realize that by saying you need to do what you have to prevent the crime from happening to you, you bear responsibility for it happening at all

[grega239]

No you dont. Thats not what it means at all.

I never said "prevent it from happening"

I said to take steps to minimize the chance of it happening.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

But how is someone supposed to know they’re a target? How does one deem targets for such a thing? There is no universal formula to follow and placing the responsibility to “minimize the chances of crime happening to you” is just bullshit. As if I have any control over whether or not someone decides to rob me, rape me, or kill me.

[grega239]

How to know you're a target? As a woman , assume that you are.
How to minimize the danger? Be in a group, avoid shady parts of town and walk in very public areas. you have numerous self defense tools at your disposal sold online andif you live in america, get a gun.
All of these are in your control.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Womanhood should not inherently make me a victim. I can’t control who or when I travel with in any situation, and if the lights go out then what am I supposed to do? Hope and pray? Having a weapon also doesn’t guarantee my safety anymore than you claim it minimizes the risk. If someone wants to hurt me, really hurt me, a knife or a gun threat isn’t going to stop them from trying. They can still succeed. And again, I’m not actively trying to be a victim but you are either actively missing the point I’m trying to make or you just don’t give a fuck.

[grega239]

Iz doesn't inherently make you a victim.
It makes you a potential target due to your physical disadvatage.

If you can travel with someone, do so.
If not, avoid doing it at night.
If the lights are out, pick up the pace or cal a cab.

A gun isn't a threat? Are you fucking serious? The average gun has 15 bullets. And guess what most people can't handle even 1. And if they do , you have 14 more.

I do give a fuck which is why im arguing about it with you

[northerngal]

Sadly yes.

[TadCurious]

Unfortunately yes I do.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Yep, lots of weirdos out there

[missindiana93]

Yes. A lot of sickos out there.

[DrPepper12]

Yes. Just prudent.

[RingOfFire]

Of course they do!

[RingOfFire]

I live in one of the safest places in the country, lowest crime rates, but I still wouldn't want my daughter walking around in the middle of the night alone.

[Redstang88]

Short answer - yes

[Yannae]

I do. She is not allowed out. I will go.

[LiamS95]

It never hurts to be vigilant.

[AaaAviii123]

Yes, definitely

[Lokiion]

yes women have to be more careful at night

[BarryLiverstone]

Obv they have to stay safe

[loveslongnails]

Women have to be more careful PERIOD.

[Caroline005]

Yes it been taught from the age of 3.

[KatieK92]

Absolutely yes

[CopperSD]

Doesn't need to be if you are in a safe place

[Lokiion]

“Safe places” aren’t always safe

[Bklynbadboy12]

Yes they definitely should!!!

[MoonFace2]

Yes, I do.

[JoMoe]

Yes.

[Wise4myage]

Yes, definitely

[SmileyLady]

Yes I do

[SmokinAces2000]

Yes I do

[grega239]

Obviously.

[Anonymous]

Of course

[Thecubs22]

Yes of course.

[Deserter2]

Yes.