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From life experience, most young atteactive women don't really care about being courted and viewed as special if she's a virgin. And to many of them, a guy is defective if he's not into boinking every woman he dates. It's not until she's older (near desperate) and gone through a bunch of "pigs", that she will look for a nice stable relationship. Usually with a guy she would never have considered 10 years ago.
Seriously? I'm young and attractive and WANTS to be courted
This sounds about right.
Because there is an abundance of hoes just like how there is an abundance of fuckboys.
That's your problem. "Hoes" apply to guys too not "fuckboys" or "manwhore"
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@ThatGirLqueen that doesn't even change my point at all.
What is funny, is if you had just said "Hoes" and not "fuckboys" or "manwhores", like she claims you should have, then she would have complained about how you were being sexist for not including men on your list. You go out of your way to make sure people know you are holding men equally accountable, and she still complains. lol
@heavensgift2girls I could not agree more with you!
1) Generally men like to be sexually satisfied. But lots of men especially those that are religious are actually looking for women that don't want sex involved in relationship before marriage.
2) Because society as of right now values sex very highly. Virgins are looked down upon, introverts are also looked down upon, and the reason, is because they're assumed to be virgins.
3) Chivalry is outdated. The traditional gender roles have ended, masculinity is perceived with negativity and femininity is perceived with weakness.
4) Honestly, why would I need to prove anything to anyone? This whole process is way too mind consuming and time wasting.
5) Because of the amount of women that exist with barely any standards.
So you want to go back to being an accessory?
If you think you would enjoy the days of old you read too much of romanticized, historically inaccurate literature.
You should be thankful for being born in time in which you are no longer treated as worthless, but pretty trophy of men's accomplishment.
To answer your questions, Media.
Media has changed perceptions of this country. Romedies are bullshit. Porn is bullshit. Using sex to sell products. TV tries to push sexual independence and all that BS and slut walks. Like the best sex doesn't come from being in a healthy, loving relationship.
It's also people believing in this BS. I know girls who think penis have to be huge, and guys thinking only bad bitches are good enough. Sheople I call them.
"slut walks" is a good thing by the way
@ThatGirLqueen Yeah, no. Bullshit. Slut walks and slut shaming are equally bad.
But hey, if you like to promote the STDs and unwanted pregnancies then go ahead. I won't stop you.
I'm a man, and I don't believe women are no longer worth it. Women contribute many good things to the society. If anything, bad people (both men and women) are the ones that need to discontinue living.
Women were never worth it to any men. Thats why feminism fought for us to have rights because we were treated like dirt
No they werent. Women had domesticated lives because the world was dangerous and men were more expendable. The had fewer rights because they weren't the ones who had to provide for their families. Men had the right to vote but they also had the burden of the draft as well as dangerous industrial jobs and back breaking farm work.
Because nowadays a lot of women want all the benefits of a relationship without any of the responsibility or hard work. They basically just want the guy to do everything in a relationship and any self respecting dude is going to say "fuck that!"
You said "They basically just want the guy to do everything in a relationship etc. What do you mean by this?
So what about when the guy finds a girl who is willing to take on responsibility and hard work to reap the benefits? Does his behavior towards her change or does he treat her the same as the others since that's how he's accustomed to behaving/ his spirit of not believing is already ingrained in his system?
Depends on the guy.
"Because nowadays a lot of women want all the benefits of a relationship without any of the responsibility or hard work"
Really? So because women won't bow down to you or other men, we are the problem? BULLSHIT. Men are using women left to right and always have. Women are waking up and wanting rights. Thing is men can't handle it, owell
"They basically just want the guy to do everything in a relationship and any self respecting dude is going to say "fuck that!""
Not true at all. Thats how most guys are
@ThatGirLqueen When did I say women should bow to men. Is that how you see the world? Either men must bow to women or women must bow to men? Now THAT'S a fucked up way to see the world.
"hen did I say women should bow to men."
The fact that most men dont want women to have rights proves how men want women to "bow down"
" Is that how you see the world? "
Thats how the world is
"Either men must bow to women or women must bow to men?"
Hell no. Nope nope. I dont want to be "bow down" to. That boring and stupid. All I want is freaking respect, THATS IT
@ThatGirLqueen "That boring and stupid. All I want is freaking respect, THATS IT" says the person who's just been shitting on guys in everyones comments. I'm certainly not going to respect someone that doesn't know how to respect others.
Since people are sexist and saying crap, I can say what I want. Sexist people do not respect me as a woman
@ThatGirLqueen So some assholes were mean to you so you decide to lower yourself to their level and just be a piece of shit like them? You know, for someone that wants respect you are going a very assbackwards way of attaining it... This whole take (although it was more of just a question) was asking why guys don't see relationships as being worth it anymore. I gave my answer because it was asked for. You have just been going around spitting on everyone. You know you can go make a "Why do women no longer think men are worth it?" take and just go to town on men there because at least it would be warranted. You are literally the very thing I was talking about in my initial post. You want so much from men while spitting on them. You can say how much why you think men suck but I don't see why since I'm not asking nor do I really care because I'm not chasing after you...
@ThatGirLqueen Now just please kindly leave me alone. You don't give a shit what I have to say and vice versa but I'm the one who keeps getting damn notifications from you so I'd prefer it if you stopped harassing me.
I dont want anything from men. Just a bit a open mindedness would freaking fine but noooo most are you are terrible human being. I'm happy with my life, Im happy with my boyfriend, my family, and friend. Dont need anyone else
And you couldve easily not replied altogether
Because the benefits of relationships with women, let alone marriage, have diminished relative to the risks and costs involved. When something is less rewarding and pays off less, you get less of it.
It diminished because women refuse to kiss a man's ass
True..
@ThatGirLqueen "It diminished because women refuse to kiss a man's ass"---Oh, the irony. We're refusing to put up with your crap, and you are upset about it.
An interesting article on this subject, the author uses the term "Darwinism" rather than economics, but she has a point. Indeed, people like ThatGirLqueen, and all the twats who read Jezebel, are proof of it:
www.city-journal.org/.../..._darwinist_dating.html
Its a 15 year old logic... dont be rude lol!
1. I guess men try to relate it from the plots of pOrn
2. Maybe... becz idk!!!
3. ummm feminism!
4. if i am really intrested in a women... i wouldn't need to prove it!
5. maybe its the same for men too.
I hear ya! I shan't be rude, thank you for sharing your opinion :)
😀. Filler
In human's females control access to reproduction, sex, so it's women who set the standards.
So if women want things to be better in the dating world they have to make it so, by creating incentive for men to behave better, by rewarding good behavior and not bad behavior.
As it is right now dating has gone totally feral so don't expect to be treated like anything other then an animal.
Most women view men as disposable commodities that are meant to be judged, evaluated, tested, and discarded when found lacking in any way. You all treat us like personal accessories and then wonder why we don't have a warm fuzzy for you. Get real.
Let's be honest. Relationships are solely about sex. Otherwise you would just be good friends.
I will not a date a girl I am not sexually attracted to, because we could just be good friends instead. There's absolutely no reason to date besides sex, most friends are closer to you than your latest fling.
Besides, generally men pay for dates, etc.
... I don't think that I, or in fact most people, share that view of relationships.
@blue_sun thank you a man that has some sense! ^^
I'm sure some females feel the same. No worries there
Most women don't realize they need to contribute to a relationship.
So you believe women generally expect everything to be done for them and that causes men to be the way the are?
Yeah
Who said we won't or dont? Men problem is women won't kiss their ass anymore or bow down. Not our problem that you want a submissive, pushover stupid doormat
@ThatGirLqueen How does being submissive make you a stupid pushover doormat? You're way too hostile when putting your opinions. You insult other women really quick for wanting to live the submissive housewife life when it's not your freaking LIFE. It's also doesn't concern you if a man wants that because it's his freaking CHOICE. geez
I believe the whole premise to be untrue. The problem is we have crazy woman being plastered all over the news equating cat-calling to rape along with crazy men swearing off all women. The majority of people are rational want love and want to be loved. The problem is the media and popular entertainment.
Because times have changed unfortunately and Im sure it will get even worse...
its going to get much worse economically and socially.
Maybe women should start respecting themselves more.
Last two bullet times the answer is simple, time.
Lots of guys will tell you they went through all these hoops for nothing
In my case, it's too much of unreachable expectations. Fear of rejection for not having the "right stuff"
And Just bad treatment by women in general has lead me to have no desire for a girlfriend or wife ever again.
See!! This is a problem. There are a few girls in the world who are having the opposite problem with men, because men make assumptions that ALL women are like this. In result, they don't treat the good girls with the love and respect that they should. It's not fair at all. This is why I've been single for almost 4 years now. All these guys want to date me but they don't deserve me. I go all out for a guy I love, and treat him very well, but so many guys only want to treat me badly, cause they assume I will be like all the other girls.
I've been single for about the same amount of time, sometimes life isn't fair. I just stay away from dating because I think most women want me to do things that I'm not capable of at this point in time, so I just walked away, fuck it, not sorry.
Women used to be on a pedestal, but they wanted equality. You can't have a pedestal if you're only equal.
Chivalry is dead because women killed it.
Women are dispensable thanks to 50 years of feminism.
There is a preferential gender bias in divorce courts. Men have simply realized you aren't worth the hassle.