Why is chivalry dead?

[beebella]

Is it really because of feminism or is it simply because parents aren't raising their sons to be gentlemen anymore?

Feminism killed chivalry

It's the parents' fault

Both

Some other reason

[Anonymous]

Feminazis killed it. Plain and simple. How can we expect guys to be chivalrous if girls are screaming " I can do it myself". They don't even give guys a chance to feel masculine and confident.
If this wasn't bad enough, they run around half naked and if a guy pays them a compliment or maes a comment about their appearance, they scream sexual assault. Too much to tell but I'm sick of what I see and hear.

[utterlyconfusedlol]

i like you. i like the way you think. were on the same wave length you and i

[rgb008]

It was murdered.
I am detective on the case.

[beast25179]

I don't know about chivalry I was brought up to believe it was just the right thing to do have respect for others be kind spare a thought for others be polite and well mannered

[beast25179]

Thank you for the MHO

[CT_CD]

"Chivalry is dead, and women killed it." - Dave Chappelle

[hellionthesagereborn]

Its feminism. Feminism told men that they are evil and everything they do think and say is sexist and wrong. If he opens a door for her he is sexist, if he doesn't he is an asshole, but also sexist. Same reasoning is applied to every single interaction men have with women, you tell a woman she looks nice your not being a gentlemen your sexually harassing her, in fact its basically rape, in fact its actually rape. Then women decided that hey we should sleep around because all men are whores (they are not, most men don't sleep around) there fore we should be too, etc. etc. Basically it told women to despise men but also demand everything from them and men well they decided they didn't want to make all those sacrifices they had been making pretty much since the dawn of civilization, especially when women treated them like shit, felt like they where entitled to all of these chivalrious acts (and their money and efforts), especially when they could just get sex for free and not deal with all the bullshit that feminism created for relationships. So yeah, feminism killed chivalry. The fact that it encouraged women to act on impulse and to be self absorbed is the reason why chivalry is dead.

[Anonymous]

Feminism brought it up and made a fuss about it. Guys, having all sorts of conflicting information and nothing concrete wonder what the f to do. Guys reassess it for themselves and wonder why they're doing all that stuff -- finding it unrewarding, they pull away. Feminists get mad because men didn't concede 'chivalry' on feminism's terms. Men being to opt out all together feeling like there's nothing here for them and they can't possibly bother anyone if they just have nothing to do with the situation. Feminist become even angrier 'because "obviously" you're opting out because you just hate women so much and can't stand them having any power' or some such nonsense.

Women need to stop mourning this archaic thing. We've found that it's not good so if it's going to exist then it needs to be something new and tailored to modern society. Less mourning and asking what's wrong with men now and who is to blame, instead you should be asking what can you bring to the table to reinvent or bring to prevalence a more modern form of etiquette contract.

[D4NTH3M4N217]

I believe that society is shifting and changing men into more angry and careless humans. Women like a bad boy or a man that does what he wants, but that's where some of the problem is. We push out the good ones and congratulate the bad ones. More men are bothered about not being in a relationship than women. We want someone we can be with like an emotional connection but that's where we get ridiculed, the horrible men get any girl they want because girls think they can change them, but the fault can't be changed by you but by the man. Chivalry is dead because I believe women don't want it

[Bennyp123]

It's not dead. Not in the slightest. But it is becoming harder to be a gentleman. With all the sexual harrassement issues that are going on its harder to do anything with out it being misconstrued.
Plus i think that it's also misunderstood information. Everyone has their own idea of what feminism is or being a gentleman. What is one person being a gentleman could be someones idea of hell.
I would class myself as having being brought up well and generally a gentleman to women. But I know there's some females that don't like how I hold myself as its to much or a ploy to get them into bed. It's a minefield that makes it very hard to get right I think these days.

[ladycrimson]

Feminism isn't against chivalry and general politeness. But I think recent parenting has proved to provide crappy results, I mean the mental state of this entire generation has plummeted compared to the last... I'm not super worried about chivalry, just don't be a dick, holding doors open is nice but I won't be offended if you don't

[heavensgift2girls]

Third wave feminism shifted away form equality in the law, and business world, and got involved in people's personal lives. Third wave feminism proclaimed doing anything nice for a woman was benevolent sexism, and was therefore an insult, if not an outright attack on a woman's identity.

[Wolframium]

Men aren't women's slaves. OK? Just…no. Maybe that's why.
On one hand, you have feminism and women wanting to be "equal", on the other, they complain if guy doesn't open the doors for them.
Like…WTF? :-D

[AnatolianRockman]

Because men have developed elaborate ways to compete with each other, rendering chivalric code basically useless. A small literature search within the website would prove that women do not care about "chivalry" anymore. They want interesting guys minus the douchebag. Chivalry says do not be a douchebag. To conclude my tiny essay, I'd say it is not dead but we don't use the archaic terminology anymore, like we don't fall in line with lot's of beautiful shit we used to in the 1200's.

[coralee]

Chivalry is dead because it is a term associated with knighthood that people don't actually understand. It had nothing to do with dating in any way shape or form. Chivalry is dated and doesn't reflect the world we live in. Treat everyone with respect and common courtesy regardless of their gender or yours.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yeah it did exist for dating. It was the principles of the knight who then applied it to his courting habits when he courted ladies (women of high status) which itself then got applied to the lower poorer males all the way down until it became common of all men to act in a way that was "chivalrous" towards women. Men held doors for women, they didn't do it for men, they pulled womens chairs out for them to sit on, they didn't do that for men, they considered it rude to swear in front of a woman, they didn't care about it in front of men, etc. etc. So yes their was a formal code of conduct which was termed chivalry. Just because it had its origins in knighthood does not mean it didn't exist in the form we are reffering to, it just means it changed with the times.

[coralee]

@hellionthesagereborn Nope. The Chivalric code had very very little to do with courting. It was mostly a list of rules for how men were to behave in battle. And even what it did was rooted in the belief that women were inferior, and needed protecting. It's been romanticized to the extreme and is not something anyone should be striving too. Chivalry is not needed politeness and common courtesy will suffice. If someone is behind you regardless of their gender hold the door open.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As I said it originally was about combat yes, then it extended itself to how a noble should behave in general (temperance isn't about combat, its about general behavior yet it was part of the knight code), as it became more of a code to live by. It then slowly started to extend to court etiquette which then started to extend to how one treated women etc. Things are not statistic, they grow and change with time. Again this is fact, this is what happened that's why we call it chivalry, this idea of chivalry as being politeness didn't just appear in the past fifteen years or so, its been around for hundreds of years so your literally trying to argue with not just history but all the societies in history that have applied these rules and called them chivalry.

[hellionthesagereborn]

As for this notion that women where inferior, that's just absurd. Why did men die for women if women where inferior? Well because they didn't think women where inferior. It was because males where physically more resilient and that we where physiologically and psychologically built to protect women even at the expense of our own lives. Again, this is a well documented scientific fact. Women also determine the speed of reproduction and because of their greater investment in reproduction are more important to it then men thus men being the expendable ones. This notion that they thought women where inferior and that's why they treated them better and cared about them more then the supposedly superior men is, well laughable to say the least.

[Anonymous]

i mean, why risk getting yelled at for holding a door open or letting her go first. if i had a nickel for every time I've been told "i don't need a man to hold a door for me" i shit you not i would have at least 20$ thats the way i was raised. i hold it for men too. all those strong and independent types ruin it for the regular ladies out there.

[gabbay18]

It's not our parents fault, chivalry already died by their time. We're just not raised that way anymore.

Obviously feminism also had an impact.

I think I'm a chivalrous guy, but I wouldn't go through the trouble, unless I really cared about her.
It's a lot of effort to go through, and it's not really appreciated anymore.

Our "mating rituals" are just not the same anymore.

[HereIbe]

Chivalry never actually existed in the first place except as a fantasy, The actual "knights of old" were utterly unchivalrous by any standard of "chivalry" that any non-historian would probably know. This "chivalry" was an invention of the Victorian era as a means to impress credulous young girls. It was never reality.

[Anonymous]

I don't believe chivalry dead partly because I don't think it existed. As a society we tend to look at the past with rose colored glasses and point out only the best parts. While in literature acts of chivalry were widely showcased, in reality many of those practices weren't put in place in the real world.

[sleepypenguin]

I say feminism plays a huge part of it and at this time looking at a girl wrong can destroy your life. All it takes is an allegation and your career and life are ruined.

[dolemite68]

It made sense in an era when women acted lady like and didn't have the rights that they do today. I believe in common courtesy for either sex when holding a door open or something but aside from that women are equals why do they deserve to be treated better?

[ObliviousJester]

Feminism made it harder for guys to do the smallest thing without someone whinging that it was sexist. That being said, I'll still hold a door open for a woman,,,,, or a guy, young or old. So I don't care about snowflake reactions.

[Listening5]

Feminism killed it.
I love being a gentleman but some modern women will even take that offensive or think they deserve it. Not every woman deserves it, only a lady does.

[CoffeeWC]

Feminism is a big part of it. It's complaining and demanding better treatment for women. Guys won't be gentlemen for conceited women. If you want to be treated equally, you won't be given special privilege just for being a woman.

[Anonymous]

Feminism has killed the majority of good things between men and women. Basic interaction is now a dangerous thing for males because of the perpetual #metoo retardedness and false victimhood bullshit.

[Cali_all_day]

I don't think that chivalry is dead I think that it has just shifted forms. While no it's not like "I'll go fight a dragon for you" it's not dead, and most of the time chivalry is often mistaken for flirting and women take it in a negative light when random people start "flirting" with them.