This is something that's always been on mind. But I wanna understand why do a lot of normal average looking guys always think they're so good and so much better looking. Like when giving they're opinion about an actress model or Instagram model etc.. they always seem to be so opinionated and mention how ugly they are or how "meh she's okay", "shes not my type", "I wouldn't date her" or point out all her minor flaws ; when in fact the girl would be way out of his league and much more attractive than he is. They'd always point out any little flaw she has and pretend like they actual have a chance with her and that they would actually turn her down. I've seen this happen a lot in front of me and its usually below average or average looking guys and I dont understand it. Like when they'd be talking like that, all I'd wanna do is point out how the girl is much more attractive then them and also who do they think they are to act that way. Also I clearly dont mean all guys act this way, but it's just a trend I've noticed. Plus I'm sure a lot of girls act this way as well. So I basically wanna know the reason. Like what makes them so entitled and confident. Is it bc of how society scrutinizes womans looks and apearance? Also what's are your opinions on the matter, do you agree or disagree. It's just something I've noticed so there's no need to be rude. Be respectful it's only a discussion.
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Somethings that I wanted to clear up: 1. I dont mean to generalize that all average guys do this. I meant that *when* I've witnessed it, it has been mostly average or unattractive guys, who dont care much about their own appearance, giving their opinions.
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2. I dont mind their opinions, attractiveness is subjective, I dont believe every attractive person is attractive in everyones eyes, butttt what pisses me off is when they start calling them names, saying they're ugly, degrading them and bringing them down as of that will give them a sense of security about themselves, and pointing out their every flaw. It's the disrespectful entitled mannerisms that comes with them "merely stating their opionion".
Why are average looking guys so opinionated about attractive looking girls?
The same reason girls post hateful comments, it’s related to their insecurity in some form, wether it’s sexual, emotional, whatever. The action of hurting and judging people comes from the hateful voice inside of us, regardless of gender, but the reasons can be very different for men and women. And statistically men are going to be more aggressive about. Men are allowed to get away with that behavior more in life as well because of what people deem as just boys being boys. Women may engage in the same behavior but are more likely to be punished and scolded for it.
I think it has something to do with them being intimidated by these ladies. They are aware that these girls get hit on a lot by other guys and they know they have zero chance to be with them unless they are also those buffy insta famous men. They try to convince themselves by saying she is average looking because they sense rejection by looking at her. It could also be a PUA tactic, where a man lower a woman confidence to make her bad and get back to him begging for his validation.
Yeah i noticed it too, and i dont like it. But its not only with celebrities, its with all girls. My friends are seriously not attractvie at all, some of them are fat or super skinny. And they talk about legitemaly pretty girls ( 8/10 or whatever) like "mehh, yeah she's pretty but nothing special". Makes me mad every single time and i get the urge to shout "TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF YOU DEGENERATE".
Girls do it too, though. Not with guys, but with each other.
Whats even worse is they dont even notice it. They think their standards are realistic and "justified". They dont realize they are cockroaches talking badly butterflies
Omg man exactlyyy This comment perfectly depicts my whole post. And yes you're so right girls do it about other girls too all the time. I've gotten a lot answers. From insecurities to jealousy to criticizing what they can't have. Pretty much sums it up. But why the overconfidence I'll never know.
When you have nothing to be confident about, you just pretend you are. You tell yourself you are better than other people, and sooner or later you'll believe it. Its true really. Most people look average, dont have any skills or things they are good at. I dont either hoenstly
I know its true. Every time we comment some girl there will always be some ugly dude who will talk shit about girl that is 10 leagues higher than him. Or guys gonna talk shit how girl dont have boobs or ass and when exactly those guys take shirt off they look like fucking disgusting shit that even worse girl can't look like rofl
i know i gonna get tons of dislikes but deep down you know its true and you are useless dude who will never date girl nearly hot as that girl you talked shit about :O
Models are often physically gorgeous. I'm definitely not a model. But I also know that looks are not everything. They aren't even the main thing. And there's plenty of evidence out there when someone in the public eye turns out to be a vacuous dumb bitch.
Also, it can happen that a woman or a type is put forward by the media. And women put a lot of stock in that bullshit, it seems sometimes. How many girls do you know who get upset because they don't fit a certain type promoted by the cover of a magazine?
The guy pointing out that the Swedish 6foot blonde with pneumatic tits isn't his type, how he prefers shorter brunettes who make him laugh, might have a particular girl in mind. It doesn't matter a tiny shit that the Swede would never date him. He's saying what he likes, or why he doesn't like the blonde model.
Like for me, a massive thing is intelligence plus having a dark and sick sense of humour. Megan Fox has never made me laugh. Plus she has toes for thumbs and that just looks weird to me. Does it matter that I'll never meet Megan Fox or that she likewise wouldn't give me the time of day? No. I can still have an opinion on her, though. That's just life.
Yea but it's also guys I know in every day life, theyd be judging girls who are much better looking then them, like let's say they're in the same class, and theyd be so confident in themselves when they're no where near as attractive as her
1. You don't need to be attractive yourself in order to judge someone else's attractiveness.
2. I doubt there is any real trend where average men are more likely to criticize women based on their appearance. It might just seem that way as a result of average men being more common than attractive men. Alternatively, you might just be more likely to notice it or find it irritating when an average man does it because it seems wrong while an attractive guy doing it seems more justified in your eyes and thus flies under your radar.
3. The fact that those women are paid and have in many cases gotten rich based on their appearance does legitimately open them up to more criticism on their appearance compared to women in other occupations.
4. OK cupid has done research on how each sex rates the other's appearance and they actually found that women judged attractiveness more harshly than men did.
Okay so maybe they do but are they as rude about it? The only problem I had with when these men do it is how rude and disrespectful they are. Their mannerisms are just so infuriating, like theyve got a loaded God complex and they're better than these girls
I would guess it is probably a result of frustration from point 3. They probably think something along the lines of "yeah, that girl is good looking, but not good looking enough to justify the amount of money and attention she receives for her looks".
Nonsensical comparison. Those men are not instagram models, their appearance is not a relevant object of scrutiny because it is not a quality they are advertising.
Appearance of a model is a relevant object of scrutiny, because the appearance is the point.
Judging the appearance of "average men" scrutinizing models is as relevant as judging instagram models on their floor-laying or plumbing skills. Those men never made their appearance a point, the instagram models did, however, that is why the appearance of a model is a relevant object of scrutiny.
Yeah that pretty much sums it up. Models actors actresses, they make themselves a big deal, and they put a large amount of emphasis on they’re appearance. Some people fall all over them and treat them like they’re the most beautiful people alive. Really for the most part they’re just decently good looking and have the benefits of thousands of dollars to pay people to make them look good everyday.
What about the normal girl that are being judge bc I mentioned that I have witnessed it happened countless times in front of me. And theyd be talking about colleagues or friends or friends of friends. Is it bc they got so used to judging the apearance of "models" that they do it in their everyday lives as well?
Because everyone has different tastes, being vocal out their tastes/opinions is not wrong and does not mean they think they have a chance with her. To highlight this, the inverse is for me to say that women are not allowed to dislike male models, or being upset when a woman says she wouldn't date a body builder, or turns down a rich guy, what makes these women be so entitled and confident?
Attractiveness is interpretation based, while I might be around average to most people, someone out there may find me to be the most attractive person they've ever seen.
I'm not entirely sure what behaviour you specifically mean, but how would you feel if a women made such comments about a male model?
And to explain it a little, when you're talking about famous people, opinions on them tend to be stronger because they do so much for attention and they are constantly shoved in our faces by the media.
So if you mean it's wrong to criticise people who are objectively more attractive than you, then I disagree. Making up criticism about someone is of course wrong, I think most people can agree that trying to make others look bad with lies is immoral. That said if the person sees a criticism, why should they be forced to hold it back? Do you consider personal opinions and free speech to be harmful?
It's not the criticism but it's the mannerisms of that criticism. So no I'm all for personal opinions and freedom of speech. Encourage them in fact since I do love a good argument. I love all of that but with one key factor of respect. Dont ever lose respect. Once its lost its pride hurt, feelings Hurt and no good mutual understanding will come out of the discussion.
Honestly everyone is entitled to there own opinion. It's like me saying "I hate pork and I ain't never eating / touching it". That's me being brutally honest... I know others love their bacon but I just prefer not to eat that kind of meat. That's just my preference. It's kind of similar to how these guys think. Some may come off rude but they're just being honest about what they prefer. Can't force someone to like something that they don't like. As for me, just because others eat bacon, doesn't mean I have to 🙃
Okay but you saying you hate pork isn't hurting anyone is it. All the things they say and their comments are always quite hurtful and rude. There are always nicer more respectful ways to state your opinion. But it's always about degrading her and putting her down for them. Mentioning how ugly she is and a bunch of mean comments. Almost like they're trying to prove something to themselves
It hurts my families grocery budget LOL. Everytime they go out, they gotta get extra meat for me because they love their pork meat and I just prefer the usual chicken or beef. As for those type of men... agreed, they sound like complete assholes to be honest!
Lmao I was thinking the same thing. What’s more surprising is that the less shallow guys I have seen were drop dead gorgeous, and dated girl that were below average, while the ugliest guy I have seen said that Candice swanepoel is disgusting because of her nose! The guys you described probably fap to much, so they need a girl that look like a porn actress to be turned on. The other theory is that they act like that because they already know that they would never have a chance with some girls so they bash them to feel better about themselves and think they didn’t missed something that big
I don't do this, but I can totally see why. Guys see girls online all the time saying how they want a guy who is nice, funny etc... and don't really care about looks, yet everytime they try to talk to these attractive girls they won't even give them the time of day. Most likely just do it out of anger or annoyance, because they can't get what they want and were told most of their life that girls care more about who you are as a person than your looks.
You have to get to know a person to like them. Maybe they dont have much going for them regarding their personality. I'd assume so mostly if they're acting that way, bitter and pathetic.
@nathanp97 Yeah but these guys expect the girls to go on their knees to give them a blowjob just because they were «nice » with them. So a guy have the right to flirt with a girl because of her look, but if she reject him because he isn’t her type then she will be classed as shallow? If a girl is attractive and above average I don’t know why she doesn’t have the right to expect a guy who’s both nice and attractive, since guys ( even the ugly ones) want a material girlfriend with the body of a super model
Nathanp97 well any Normal Guy that use his brain would tell that look truly matter, since celebrities like brad Pitt and Liam heamsworth aren’t praised for their «personality ». Guys claim that they want a natural soft sweet girls but surprisingly they always pick the sexy disrespectful bitches. I have seen a lot of men that left their sweet carring girlfriends for harsh and mean women, that they claim to hate! Not all of the guys are like this but that’s what I saw with my own eyes
yes i noticed this myself. the dudes are triggered here but its okay. they’ll rate beautiful girl and get to criticizing details when otherwise in person she wouldn't even glance at their direction because of how boring and ugly they are. here's an example:
yeah the guy can be butt ugly but they’ll criticize a pretty girl down to her bones thats WAY out of their league as if the girl even wants to get w that ugly guy in the first place
That's what the guys didn't wanna understand from my question. And from what I've noticed personally is that guys tend to do this quite often and more than girls
I can't agree OR disagree. First I need to know have any of these below average looking guys actually told you that they think they're much better looking? Or are you just assuming they feel that way because they call other people average? I'm pretty sure an ugly person can still know the difference between beautiful and ugly. And being ugly doesn't take away their right to have an opinion about others who look much better than them. It's like saying a person doesn't have the right to have favorites in music if they can't make their own music.
Well yea theyve never mentioned that they think they're more attractive but it doesn't mean they have the right to act that way. And bring someone down with their words that way
They're not acting that way, they're giving their opinions. It's everyone's right to have an opinion and say it when they want. What's important here is that they're opinions, not fact. So they shouldn't even matter! And people can have bad tastes too so they don't like what's actually likeable. Someone calls a beautiful girl average, fine, they have bad taste and their opinion is not affecting the beauty of the girl so really they don't matter. At this point it's the girl's job to know her strength, she shouldn't let a few opinions bring her down because people say things all the time and stupid people say stupid things all the time. Curing a stupid guy's stupidity? Let's just leave that to the professionals and move on, shall we? 😅
Why Is it that no body is understanding my point. Everyones entitled to their opinion but when that opinion becomes disrespectful that's what im talking about. Did you read my update?
I did and I understand your point totally. What I'm saying is this is nothing that can be fixed. People are disrespectful about so many things, what can we do about it? Nothing! And sometimes a person doesn't even realize he's being disrespectful. To him, he's just saying what he feels but doesn't realize how that offends everyone else. There's no fixing that and most people in the world are like that. We all individually have this idea of what are nice things to say and what are not. And not everyone says nice things all the time. Not everyone is respectful all the time. And not everyone is disrespectful on purpose all the time. Being offended by these small things is pretty immature you know? Like for example, a group of people believes that a person a person weighing above 175 lbs is fat, but I believe a person who weighs more than 165 lbs is fat and I say to a 170 lbs person publicly, "Just a little more weight loss and you'll be totally fine bruh." Now what would most people think? That I'm being disrespectful, sarcastic and indirectly calling the guy fat! I'm just giving an example don't make this a topic of conversation alright? What I'm saying is some people have different ideas than the rest about what's good or bad. They express their opinions based on their own ideas so there will always be negative people, disrespectful people, etc. If few people's disrespectful opinions are enough to bring us down then we have low self esteem problems. Ignoring negativity is the mature thing to do because it can't be fought, it's always going to be there. 😕
Omg thank you for that example it's a perfect explanation. And yes I get what you mean. Negativity will always be there. The disrespect will always be there. there's nothing we can do about. Okay but personally let me give some examples myself. "Shes so ugly, I wouldn't even date her, she's so fat, she's so skinny, she's got no tits, she's got no ass look at her stretch marks, I wouldn't even get near that" etc... these are the comments I'm talking about. Not someone who's staying their opinion like " oh she's just not my type, I'm into bigger girls, or im into thinner girls, brunettes/blondes are my type" <---respectfully
Now that narrowed it down. Those are clear assholes you know. Insecure dipshits. 😂 I wouldn't count them as the opinionated people. It's crystal clear by their language that they're bullies. 😅
Okay then I think I might've worded my question a bit off bc quite a few people didn't understand what I meant and we had to keep going back and forth. Thank you for your replies tho I appreciate it :))
I think you've got a point adelina but what you are missing here is the other type of men :
Not the ones who say that they don' thave to give their power away, i'm talking about the average guy who gets what he values deep down and not on the surface level.
- Girls don't realize that their beauty is like a bonus for men with ACTUAL boundaries.
From my perspective what i noticed is that a lot of peoples identity and values system revolves around their beauty. Which is a majority of Girls but to different extents also.
When i meet girls that are on the hardcore side of it, i get kinda disgusted and turned off it's more of like a disappointement. Often times, Their ego will tell them they must feel butthurt or smth but if you don't get what value system means then you'll never get why average men can be turned off by incredibly attractive women.
Funny enough society got us fucked up in our heads that when we say average men or women we immediately refer to it as someone who is not that attractive. As if the whole purpose of life to look attractive to the most people possible.
Only you get to decide why someone is high value and it better be something else than things you are handed at birth such as financial backup Genetics or Status.
- So better using your values and not your hormones to decide which ones gets to be equal value than you. Ultimately no one gets to be higher value than you.
I mean I totally agree with all your statements 100% ofc. Regardless of my question, but that was just something that I wanted to hear peoples opinions on
Because they are insecure and they try to feel better by putting othe people down. They aren't like that just with looks, but with everything, mediocre people that think they are always right and always the best. There was a guys on the internet contradicting like 5 gynecologists in a row.
What in the world is a normal average looking guy? Girls do that all the time. Then get hurt when you do it to them. There is no such thing as a league. If someone is confident, that's a great thing. No one can help what they look like, so confidence is important. Attraction is all subjective.
I get how attraction is subjective and all but the way they speak it's like all they're doing is degrading her and pointing out bad aspects and it makes no sense to me. You're not perfect nor close to perfect. Work on your self first. Ahaha I mean an average looking guy, nothing modelesque
I notice it just as much with girls as with guys. People like to judge and criticize other people. That's how people are. I still don't know what average looking is though. There is no statistical center point to how people look.
I don't know a guy who's just average looking. Normal body normal face. No ripped muscles or greek like features. What's generally referred to as "attractive"
I'm sorry lol but the fact that you can't tell me what is proves my point. I'm not trying to be mean, but average looking isn't a thing. Nothing you described is average.
The fact that I can't tell you what average is? Average is a lot of things and so is attractive. But there are people who are more attractive than others. there's attractive and than average people and then people who haven't got much going for them in the looks department, that's what I mean. What I described earlier isn't average but what is generally viewed as good looking.
Average is a center point for a set of data or a value you get from adding numbers together and dividing them by the number of values you add. Its not you being more attracted to one guy over another. That's all subjective. Often your feeling can influence who you believe is attractive and who isn't.
In my opinion, women are far more opinionated about other women's looks compared to men. Even GaG, a place where trolls gather and party, you'll find Girls and Pink Anons (who, admittedly, could be men) are the ones who routinely create threads like "Who's prettier? Woman A or Woman B" or "Do you feel this hot female celebrity is actually just average looking?"
I understand your frustration. But like you already said in one of your updates, attractiveness is subjective. I do understand your point of view though.
The only thing that bothers me about your post though, is when you say "when in fact she's way out of his league". Because again, thats only your opinion. Personally i dont believe in "leagues". Simply because that women who is supposedly very objectively attractive, might be attracted to the objectively average looking guy. At the end of the day though people are entitled to their opinions and people are just attracted to what they are attracted to regardless of their own appearance. So while I understand your frustration of a seemingly ugly guy criticizing a what seems to be a very attractive woman you still need to keep in mind that those people may have honest opinions that are different from yours.
There are two factors that come into play in this issue: (1) critiquing "fantasy girls/guys" is detachment from actually coming into contact with them in person, and (2) girls appearance is more altered than men's; so, you're comparing apples to oranges with regard to attractiveness.
I don't do this, but I can totally see why. Guys see girls online all the time saying how they want a guy who is nice, funny etc... and don't really care about looks, yet everytime they try to talk to these attractive girls they won't even give them the time of day. Most likely just do it out of anger or annoyance, because they can't get what they want and were told most of their life that girls care more about who you are as a person than your looks.
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Judging people based on their looks is wrong, but you are doing it too - you are saying that if a guy is average looking it's somehow different if they are talking about attractive girls than if the guy was attractive and the girl was not "out of his league". I would like to understand why do many attractive women think they are entitled to better treatment just because they are attractive - they were born that way, they did not deserve it in any way. Nobody should feel someone is worse than them or not in their league just because they think they are more attractive than the other person - a person's value should not be based on how they look like.
It's like none of you even my read my post to its entirety. Their opinion about whether she's attractive or not doesn't matter to me. God just read it again and understand what I'm actually talking about.
Actually i believe you are the one not reading right adeline. He's got a good point :
So a good reason why there's guy who are not that attractive who bring down women who are, is because those women sole purpose is to be attractive. Don't bullshit yourself on that i have yet to find an attractive girl who doesn't spend hours thinking about how attractive she looks and trying to make herself look better.
I do understand what you are talking about Adelina. Your answer shows that you think these attractive people are in a higher league than less attractive people, just because they were born attractive.
@Malaa I mean no that so wrong if you think that every attractive girl spends hours thinking about how attractive she is and how she can look better. I'm sorry but that's too shallow. Like do you really assume every attractive females biggest concern is her looks bc that's just sounds, dare I say it kinda sexist😅. I'm sorry I dont mean to be rude, it's just how you worded it, that's the implication i got from it. It's like you're saying you can't be an attractive female and think about things that matter or actual intellectual crap other than your looks. Ofc that's what I think you meant I dont wanna feed words into your mouth. But If that is actually what you meant. I'm sorry but that's totally backwards thinking in my opinion.
To the anon: I'm sorry you understood it that way but I assure you that's not what I meant. Attractive or unattractive, no one has the right to be at a higher league as anyone else. I see and value people a lot with their personalities and the way they act with people and how they treat others. For me that matters way more than something as trivial as their loooks. Thattt tho doesn't mean that there aren't attractive scales in my opinion and in ever ones opinion. there's always gonna be a looks factor. And like I said in my question, these looks factor really comes into play when I do notice how these guys would be acting, that things they're saying etc.. about these girls. That's when it pisses me off. Okay let's forget about attractiv e girls for a sec. It would piss me off as well if the girls they were talking down about weren't "attractive models" but average girls. But like I said I've noticed personally when it was in that situation and that's why I spoke about the things I spoke about in my question and why I did mention looks.
@Adelina: Good that you explained that because your original question was about girls who are more attractive than guys who comment on their appearance and about you saying they don't have a chance because they are in a "lower league" so why do they feel entitled to make comments. Unfortunately too many people these days think that being attractive inherently makes them more valuable than others and gives them a licence to treat less attractive people like dirt. As for commenting on appearance of other people, I also think it's quite disgusting when people publicly denigrate others based on their appearance. Obviously, everyone is attracted to different things so even if a person is average looking they can still find a person who other people find attractive unattractive. But they shouldn't publicly disparage them or criticise their appearance. Unfortunately in our society gossip is very popular and people (both women and men) often gossip about others and denigrate others when these people are not present (whether by making comments about their personality flaws, appearance, things they did, etc.). It's wrong and it can be very damaging. Some people just cannot help talking about their opinions and some people use gossip as an immoral way to boost their social standing by decreasing social standing of others.
haha problem is that everyone knows it and we all do it anyway. Criticizing these people who make comments and judge yeah we all do it in our heads and act as if we know better and agree that it's bad. Basically we are in a generation where we loosing control of ourselves. I guess that's why science says we are mostly unconscious beings.
That's why you are ALWAYS better off NOT judging people at ALL. No matter if you are actually better than those people you judge or not you are always better off not judging because it will bring you down one way or another. Sooner or later.
well actresses and instagram models are judged differently when they are just an image on the web browser vs when they are in the same room as you and smile at you. In the former case it's hard to be impressed by photos of some actress because they have to compete with a lot of other sexy things in my hard drive
Didn't know they were so opinionated, but I suppose bitterness? They have a hard time getting attracted girls, or they just assume they will have and so they go off on the genetic injustice of the world. The worst of that being if they turn to incels. But at a certain point beauty is subjective as well, and the guys you've met who you thought as average and below might not have received the same opinion from other girls.
Just because someone is average, doesn't mean they can't dislike above average women. They still have preferences. when men like this point out stuff like this it's not always because they think they have a chance. Average girls do the same thing with guys, so how about you ask them instead?
Because especially in the cases of models and Instagram models, they have made they’re appearance and level of attractiveness they’re main selling point. They want everyone to think they look amazing, it’s called critical comparison. Also it’s none of your business really, unless they’re talking to you your not involved in the conversation. And it’s not like they’re talking about anyone you know. So what’s the big deal really? They’re doing they’re thing you do yours and move on.
That’s a little different, the way you worded it in your question made it sound like it was just about random models and actresses. If it’s about someone you actually know, it’s totally understandable it would annoy you.
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