At 49, that's obviously not going to stop me (though I'm not into the Barbie types), but, there IS some significant truth that idea.
Men's physical attraction to women is biologically tied very closely to her ability to have healthy children, and women's prime child-bearing years are her late teens and 20s. If you understand evolution and Natural Selection (only the best survivors and reproducers survive), it makes complete sense that those two things are tied together.
As a result, women in their late teens and 20s are almost universally attractive - guys from 16 to 60 all find them desirable, which is why their SMV (social market value) is astronomically high - far higher than men's ever is.
But it's also true that women's SMV massive rise also becomes a massive fall in her 30s, and while that certainly doesn't mean she can no longer attract a man, it does mean that she can't attract virtually EVERY man like she did just a few years before. An average woman in her 20s can attract a HUGE number of men, and she can get most men pretty effortlessly, and attract their attention effortlessly, and few young women appreciate that until their in their 30s, and suddenly they realize that a 25-year-old walks in the room and no one is paying attention to them anymore - unlike just a few years earlier.
I've equated it to trying to buy a house. In your 20s, it's like you're a multimillionaire - you have your pick of tons of very big, swanky houses in virtually any city you like. In your 30s, you can still buy a house, but now you've only got $200,000 to spend, and it's much, much harder to find something you like and can afford, and it's almost certainly not going to be as nice as what you could have bought in your 20s - and you may find yourself priced out of certain markets completely.
Of course, most women don't figure this out (or accept that it's true) until they're already in their 30s and they've missed their chance to maximize their value.
True for white people.
@MrOracle no one gives a fuck. women can have their babies at whatever age they want with or without a man in the picture as long as she is financially stable herself and has a support system (most of us have pretty wonderful parents/families). look at how many fucks we give when men talk about "sexual market value." this speech is getting really boring. people with this toxic mindset really bore me, and i'd rather be alone and a single mom than with men like this.
trust me gentlemen, many of you are not the prize and jewel you think yourselves to be. as long as i have my babies, i will be very happy. being in a relationship i could care less about. many men nowadays no longer offer the commitment, loyalty, security and care they once used to back in the stone age days. nowadays most men offer heartache, stress, unfaithfulness, cheating, and anxiety. some will fund his side bitch more than his own children's future. who wants to put up with this shit? look, if a good man comes along that i can trust, that would be wonderful, but i am not gonna get a white hair or a wrinkle worrying about whether or not men still find me sexually appealing once i turn 30
@DianaWest You may not give a fuck, but a WHOLE LOT of women certainly do. I could post dozens, maybe hundreds of articles and videos written and made by women who deeply regret their choices in their 20s, and only in their 30s and 40s do they realize that their 20s was such an important time - and that there's no do-overs.
Also, this isn't about ME. This is not my idea or my creation - this is how the world works. Women have ZERO problem dismissing the vast majority of men outright and assigning zero value to them in their teens and 20s if they aren't hot enough or have enough social status, and men have no choice but to suck it up. Realize that nearly half of all men have never even had a girlfriend at 25 - only about 4% of women have never had a relationship by 25. This is because women are overwhelmingly going for only the top men. And unlike women, men aren't born with any value - we have to EARN ours. Yet, I tell guys all the time: work on yourself, improve your career, dress nicer, go outside and talk to women out in the world. Take the risks, face the rejections. Work HARD. Men don't love hearing that, but it's the reality of the world. Well, it's women's reality too.
@MrOracle it is sad that men and women give a fuck about others' opinion. it is very very sad. i say just be the best person you can be and fuck what toxic people think. society won't be holding your hand when you are on your deathbed. society doesn't give you food to eat or ensures there is a roof over your head, so i say fuck society and care only about those people who respect you. it is really simple. i don't agree with treating anyone like crap if that person has been kind to you. but it annoys me when some men treat good women like crap simply because they happen to turn 30 in six months. good young women exist. it is just that many men prefer botox bitches and then they scratch their heads wondering why there were mistreated.
@DianaWest I agree that men make poor choices too - and pay for them. No where did I suggest that all, or even most men, are "doing it right." A whole lot of them aren't. But many of THOSE guys are the very ones that women go after, and they ignore the guys who are doing the important things right because they aren't as hot or aren't as "exciting" (read: dangerous) as the guys they do want - who are often immoral assholes.
Making everything about beauty and "baller lifestyles" - which social media has only amplified to stratospheric heights - has poisoned far too many people, of both sexes.
What a man wants in a relationship is different then what he wants in sex. Now what your stating is an exaggeration, but it does have some truth to it. Basically when a woman gets older she becomes desperate, her looks are fading and so she will try and latch onto a guy before they deteriorate entirely. Now that is not ALL women but that is the women who have lived a life that has not developed them in other ways.
Think of it this way, if a guy relies entirely on his looks and makes sure that no other facet of his character is developed, when his looks go, will he have any value? No, his value was his looks and nothing else. This is what many men are talking about.
If you have spent your life partying, jumping from guy to guy (relying on your looks to do so), you are not particularly evolved from a character stand point. You have not been developing yourself intellectually or creating a person of character. rather you have been indulging yourself (which is not good for your body generally speaking and definitely not good for your character/personality) which is to say you have not grown or developed at all (or in fact in some cases have regressed). This means that since all you had was your sexual appeal, once that goes their is nothing left of value.
So would a man date her and want a serious relationship? Sure IF she was more then just her looks, if she had a personality if she did everything in her power to be the best woman she could be, if she was worth having as a wife and mother. But most women who are have generally already been taken by that point so its not as common (not saying they don't exist, just that its harder to find). So that is what they are getting at when they say that.
As a man, hellionthesageborn's extended comments are typical of a cave-man who loves himself and judges females as inferior sex toys. What a shame that he is incapable of feeling love!
@SirLancelot123 What a shame that you use your time to troll (or white knight, either way it doesn't look good for you). Not sure what I said that would suggest I was a "cave man", is it the suggestion that a person should be well rounded and not simply indulge in every impulse or was it the part where I said as long as you have more to offer then just sex you will not have to worry about your desirability dropping after 30? I mean I get what your saying, if women stop having casual sex then that would mean you would have to actually start putting in effort and you don't want that, but that doesn't mean that I am incapable of love or look at women as a sex object (quite the opposite, I was advocating for a women not to act like sex objects and you are advocating that they should continue to act like them).
@SirLancelot123 Though of course your screen name says it all.
I know men who have dated women older than them in their 30s and the men were serious. One married a friend of mine and they've been together over 20 years. I have had younger men approach me. Whether it was for sex only I have no idea because I didn't let it go anywhere. I got married at 37 and had a baby at 38.
I, also, got carded at a club at 32.
Completely untrue. They don't give a shit about age as long as she looks pretty/sexy and/or youthful/cute
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I don't find that girl in the pictures to be attractive, but generally if one is over 30 I wouldn't be interested.
The main reason why is because I want to find an SO to create a family/kids with. When I meet them if things go well it would take a year before moving in together, then another year before determining that it would last long term, then another year to have the first of 3 kids. Taking a year off for recovery in between each kid, that means that it would be a total of 7 years before having all three kids from the time we met, and that is assuming that we could have kids so easily/quickly when we wanted to.
So if she was 30 when we met that would mean she would be 37 when having our third kid. Too much health risk to the kids.
And of course regardless of her age, if she already had kids from others that pretty much ruins her anyways.
Or if she has had too many bad experiences already and can't get as emotionally attached as I'd like, that would ruin things too.
Friends with any ex ruins things. Etc.
Ooh, someone ran into the wall, hit their head and fell onto the dislike button. lol
who gives a fuck? some men think we cherish their dicks and that they are the shit. not true. i don't really give a fuck about others' opinion. i will have what i want when i want it, with or without a man. so if i want to have my first baby at 30, my second at 32 and my third at 34, i will, and i don't care if i am married. i can raise my baby on my own. so don't give a fuck about some men's fear mongering tactics about being over 30. i'd rather be alone and have my kids on my own than stress over some dumbass cheating on me and thinking i'm used up goods the second i turn 30.
If you gave me one night of sex any way I want with my wife at 19 or my wife at 36. I’d choose 36. She has lost the “that’s degrading” thing, and has gotten rid of her thinking she’s too good to let me do anything I want to her. Her breasts are WAY bigger, after the baby her stomach is marked but something about the pregnancy made her vagina smaller so she is so tight and almost cries every time we have sex it’s like having a virgin every night. I’m addicted to it. At 19 she thought facials were icky, kept her eyes closed when I would do them, now she holds her eyes open, thought getting on her knees was somehow undignified, she does that now happily, and so much more. Trust me young friend. You ain’t seen nothin yet. Older women are amazing. Most have nothing they won’t do.
Maybe date, but I couldn't see myself marrying such a girl unless she had a really extraordinary personality. First of all, the woman in the picture is 10 years older than me, I kind of want to date someone more my age, though I mean, with statistical male life expectancy, maybe that means we'll both die around the same age. That was a joke, the age is an issue for me, I could maybe get past it, but judging from the pictures you showed she wears very revealing clothing and seems to have had facial surgery.
Yes of course, i am not ready for the phase of life she is in. She is at an age where kids start to become a thing and your supposed to be reasonably established like having your own home. Ill be ready when i am 30 myself, but for now its to soon as i am preparing for these things.
Hell no. if she had a personailty like me which i doubt and let's face it she won't so that would be my reason to not to.
but if she did she could be 40 if she looked like that and my personailty.
i would, even tho i feel like that would start getting weird one she starts to age and dies before me.
and tbh i am a bit desprate but not to much since i have standers still
The older someone is, the less likely they are to be at the point in their life that I want my partner to be.
What have they already done? What do they want from their life right now?
Why are they still single at 33?
All those are important questions that may determine whether there is any potential in us dating.
It doesn't matter if someone is still attractive at some point in their life, because looks alone don't really determine anything.
It is not a hard number, but as available women get past 30, the percent that I would date go down dramatically and quickly.
There are some very attractive, sweet women over 30, but they are always happily married. Single/available women over 30 have some sort of problem. The percent that is overweight, bitchy, with baggage, etc. goes up because all the good ones get married.
As far as the girl in the picture, she is not my type.
Who said this?
I guess Age difference is a thing. However i am pretty sure any guy around the age of 30 would date a woman around 30.
I can imagine dating getting harder if you are above a certain age, however not because you are older but you are more bound to your own home.
You now have a home of your own, a job, ...
Well i think women that are over 30 are far more attractive then kids younger. Just that bit more of lives experience makes them so much more attractive. Both my kids were conceived after my wife was 30 so not beind fertile enough is a bullshit story.
If the keys are in it with a temporary tag, I will drive anything if it doesn’t burn too much oil. But, I really don’t find high 30s as attractive as a young hormonal. The 30+s have been around the block and I wouldn’t expect her to be able to truly bond to me either. There is a reason that those looks are still single and I don’t think I would want to spend the time finding out the hard way.
Eh, the stereotype that if a good looking woman is single, there must be something wrong isn't always true. Sometimes long term marriages and relationships dissolve after many years and they're back in the game all over again. Or, maybe they haven't found the right person for them (the bad thing about being attractive is that they get a lot more attention from guys not wanting them for who they really are).
@aWes0MeNeSs "the bad thing about being attractive is that they get a lot more attention from" girls "not wanting them for who they really are" Yeah I have this same problem.
Yeah, that sucks. :( There can be a lot of people who just want to see if they can get in bed with a person they find hot.
@aWes0MeNeSs "they find hot" not really for me. There are certain indescribable character traits that some few women have that draw me. That always overrides looks for me.
It does for me, too. When I said that, I was talking about the people attractive people sometimes have to deal with. They don't just get people who like them for the person they are, they also get people who want a night in bed with someone they find extremely attractive.
As long as she's hot and kidless, no-- the issue isn't that girls over thirty are automatically no longer attractive, it's that MOST of them aren't attractive because girls are usually most attractive in the 16-24 age range. On top of that, the older a chick gets, the more likely she is to have reproduced, and most guys don't want to have to take care of some other guy's kid. However, obviously there are exceptions.
She's attractive, no question. But think about it from the guy's perspective. If he wants to have a family, time would be very short with this woman. The usual three years of dating before marriage and then two years of marriage before kids would put her at nearly 40. That's certainly not ideal for starting a family.
eww, who the hell would wait another 2 years to have a child AFTER marrying? i am going to wait only a few months after getting married before wanting to try for a baby. no way in hell am i waiitng another 2 years AFTER marriage to get pregnant. who the fuck does that? if a guy does that, i'll be like great. i will go to a sperm bank and have my baby NOW, and if you wanna stick around great, if not, great.
Some men might say that but in reality, they can’t afford to be that picky. I mean, look at her. She’s hotter and higher value than they are. Any man would be lucky to get with her.
The fuck? If you think I'm supposed to date any hot girl because she's hot you're smoking that good shit. Why should I have to date a girl 10 years older? You're trolling.
When you say that men can't afford to be "picky" it sounds a lot like you think men are lesser than women. Anybody can choose be picky, and anyone can choose not to be. If you're going to tell me I can't afford to choose my own standards, I'm going to be offended.
It's not about options. People aren't options. I just want someone who I like and will treat me as well as I treat her. I don't care if I don't have constant female attention. Even if 0 girls wanted me, and suddenly a girl I didn't like asked to date me, I'd say no. I am a man. I am not an animal that only lives to eat shit and reproduce.
Just go back and read your original reply. Do you really think that's an okay rhetoric to promote? That men should just take what they're given and not have any say in it? Sure, you might just be fucking around, but people actually believe this and take it as fact. It's a big problem. When you spread mindless negativity, people soak it up and reiterate it in different ways. It's just extremely frustrating to see because even if you aren't making a personal attack, someone else is using your words to make a personal attack. You might not feel like you deserve this, and you might not, but I'm doing what I can to erase some of the social cancer that's making my generation unbearable.
You've written "Any man would be lucky to get with her." You've also implied that she is higher value than men. If you think people aren't going to put 2 and 2 together then I don't know what to say. How long do you have to insult us before you're satisfied? I've seen your other replies. At some point you'll realize that you're simply being offensive.
What she is saying is not incorrect girls ultimately are more selective than men doesn’t matter what a guy’s standards are his chances of getting those standards are lower
Right because men are just lucky to have you girls right? Your just so much better then them that he has to settle for her. That's idiotically stupid. You clearly don't understand men, sure some will want to have sex with her but a relationship? No, that has to be earned and you have to do more then be "hot" to do that (especially at that age).
@Zweihander She is rabidly sexist so of course she will say that, she thinks men are less then human and would never dream of having men be treated with any form of decency or respect let alone to the level she thinks a woman should have. Don't even bother with her it doesn't go anywhere (its like arguing with a wall but unlike her the wall might actually think about what was said).
Women are more selective for casual sex, men are more selective when it comes to relationships, nice try though.
Sure, just as smart men will be just as wise to be selective about sex. Doesn't mean that's the case. Also women gain more in a relationship men gain more in sex so that's why their is a difference in priorities.
I'm not so unreasonable as to say, "I wouldn't date her." However, the fact is, she is out of my league so she wouldn't date me. Regardless, she is 14 years past her peak reproductive age of 16 and 10 to 12 years past her peak desirability. Certainly she can attract some elite guys, but she cannot compete with the girl she was at age 20.
Well I'm younger than 30 so I wouldn't do it. There is a lot of makeup and likely photoshop going on to hide her age. Makeup actually destroyed women as a gender, they are now destroyed, good game ladies, the cosmetics industry did a real fkn number on you. Age is there to remind us that time is fleeting... and girls these days seem to have forgotten that, which is why they fuck around in their teens and 20s instead of taking life and relationships seriously
I dated a girl in her early thirties when I was 23. I liked dating her and I'm glad I got to go through the experience. They tend to be more down to earth and younger ones tend to be on their phones and apps a lot. Their music preference is different too. I just got out of a relationship with a 19 yr old girl. It was short and I regret meeting her. Women in their 30s just have to treat their bodies right and not abuse it in the years leading up to their 30s.
Not at alll i would date her even if she was over 50😅
Well for me the age is just a number the true age is defined in the spirit of the girl.. a girl can be 20 years old and make feel like she is 60 years old and vice versa
Are all men under 30 years old now? I wouldn't date her because I'm married, but my wife is 31 so I think she counts. Better looking as well. Women don't become worthless when they age out of their 20s, and that's a fact.
Men who say No are shallow. That is why I treat men in his 30s like shit a matter of principle and would not date anyone older me
Yes, some men become shallow bastards after you become 30. That is why never ever date men older than you
I mean men who would not date her
Same here. So many of them consider themselves irresistible and that they aged like fine wine 🤮. Young girls should never give attention to older men cause it only increase their ego and delusion
So we should be forced to like older women and you should be allowed to choose? If you don't like older men then that's fine, but men are allowed to have standards too. Yes, generally men's standards are different from women's, but why is that a problem?
"So we should be forced to like older women and you should be allowed to choose? If you don't like older men then that's fine, but men are allowed to have standards too. Yes, generally men's standards are different from women's, but why is that a problem?" Tell that to fucktards who get pissed, if a woman does not want him because of his heigh.
@kim45456 exactly! I swear it’s a real double standards.
What’s worse is that they deeply know that a younger girl will only want an old ugly man If he’s rich, but these fuckers hates gold diggers.
They are old and ugly but reject a woman for being over 30 and they will tell you how women are picky and shallow!
I’m sorry but what kind of inner beauty can you see in a 40 years old dude who only hit on 20 years old women?
@devilman666 it’s not about liking older women but women your age! Duh. If you’re okay with men only wanting younger prettier women then why are you guys so angry if a woman dare to want a taller richer man?
By your own logic it's only fair that I get to treat women like shit for liking tall guys. You should really get over yourself. If anything just make use of those good younger years to get a good man. A short guy never had a chance like that to begin with. Just like on the other post this entire argument truly revolves around the fact that you can't take the same judgment you dish out. You say you need a guy to be attractive but then get mad at men for wanting younger, more attractive girls. You're complaining because you WANT an unfair playing field
You want let women harshly select men when they are young and then shame men from doing the same when they are older.
It's less extreme example but at 18 girls didn't like me for any amount of reasons. Some of those same girls would now happily date me because I'm better off from before while they aren't. Why would I at 23 not go for the 18 year olds I find more attractive and are just as willing. I would have dating those girls when I was 18 but they thought I wasn't good enough. Well, why can't I say they aren't good enough now?
You're like the person who insults others all the time but cries foul the second you're on the receiving end
@Kim45456 well whats the compromise? Do we all stop having standards?
You said that men who refuse to date a 30 year old woman are shallow, so by this logic women who refuse to date short men are shallow.
You said that you treat men in their 30s or older like shit as a matter of principle, by this logic I should refuse to date short women.
Honestly women can have a height preference if they want, my complaint about it is that women, especially feminists, get upset whenever men have preferences because now we're fat shaming, slut shaming, etc.
@asker I do like women my age. I'm 23. The woman in the picture is 10 years older than me. I never said I was okay with men only wanting younger, prettier women, nor did I say that women aren't allowed to date tall, rich men, don't put words in my mouth. I'm pointing out that she said it's shallow to refuse to date someone much older than you, and then said that she refuses to date anyone much older than her. I guess that makes her shallow too?
@glutendan I am annoyed at mans hypocrisy. They are allowed to be shallow but whine when a woman dont want them because of their looks
@devilman66 First of all, i complain about men who are shallow but get annoyed when women do the same. I am ok as soon as you are not hypocritical and by the way if you have shitty experience with young women because of immature behaviour, dont complain about all women
Everyone is allowed to be shallow and everyone complains when it happens to them. It's normal, what isn't is treating a whole group of people like shit because you're bitter.
What would you have me do? When I was young I was bullied into being shy and even had a girl who lost interest in be because I was publicly bullied? I'm not going to hold a grudge but I'm 23 now and younger, prettier girls are more willing to date then the generally worse off girls my age or older. Why wouldn't I like that? This is why women should date in their best years instead of whore around since they have to most leverage. Men understand that unless they were born super attractive they have to work for everything, it's something you just can't understand as a woman because you've never been looked at like trash.
@glutendan you truly live in a wacky land if you believe that women have everything given to them just for having a pussy. They only do if they accept to suck cocks in return but 99% would rather work as hard as men, then solding our bodies.
successful women studied and worked as hard as men, to be where they are and yet you will have a thousand of misogynistic pigs who will claim how she sucked her boss’s dick to be promoted. When she truly put hard work and sacrifice her 20’s to achieve her career and be financially independent men will start telling her that should’ve settle down in her primes and be a housewife who will depend on her husband. If she choose to marry and be a housewife most men will also call her a lazy gold digger who doesn’t work and who bring nothing in the table!
Conclusion? Women are always wrong no matter what they do! So yes! Keep thinking that we are privileged
Never said any of that, I pointed out that women are far picker than men and that their youth is their best means to secure the best men, which of course is true because as all the studies and basic observation shows, men value looks over success, although I do honestly believe that personally will usually beat out everything else.
If she chooses to persue a career that's on her, just realized that as men we place no value on that.
I'm waiting for marriage to have sex, it's a difficult task to most people but I understand that 99% of women will not even see that as a good thing. I accept the consequences. It seems like you want to decide your future and to force men to enjoy your decision.
I don't want to be with a career oriented woman. I make enough money myself, it's much more beneficial to me to have someone who could eventually raise my kids and work a part time job if they want.
It's not putting anyone down, it's just what is best for me.
Imagine if I decided I wanted to be a stay at home dad and got all pissy that women didn't want me because they prefer men with a career? That's essentially what you're saying.
Go ahead and be a career oriented feminist, just don't be shocked when it doesn't align with what men want for themselves.
@glutendam the problem is men want 18-21 girls whose brain are not even developed and fully grown. Your brain is developing till your 25years. You guys want a naive, inexperienced women so she can be dependent on you. You except from fucking teenies to make life decisions like marriage and to find a good man. That is taking advantage of her and using her youth and naivety. That is even pedophilia. Men should be away from 18-21 years old girls.
I want a young and inexperienced woman because I'm inexperienced so want someone on the same page, and young girls are more attractive and fun to be around.
By your logic at 23 any girls over 25is obviously manipulating me and are borderline pedophiles, I mean it would be insane to expect a 23 year old baby to say no? The power dynamic! Definitely old enough to die for your country and be kicked out of your house though, it's far simpler after all.
Also 21 years old... pedophilia. Okay, then I'll agree with you. Until 25 people are not yet developed, so nobody under the age of 25 should be having sex at all since they can't reasonably consent.
I can't wait for your excuses or how it's an exception.
"Oh it's okay to be a whore if it's on my terms" "men just want to manipulate me" "woe is me the eternal victim"
You really can't fix this level of stupid can you.
"Also 21 years old... pedophilia. Okay, then I'll agree with you. Until 25 people are not yet developed, so nobody under the age of 25 should be having sex at all since they can't reasonably consent." Sex is a need like food. I know elemantary kids having sex. It is instincs. A 12 years old kid can have sex but can't look after a kid.
I can't wait for your excuses or how it's an exception.
"Oh it's okay to be a whore if it's on my terms" "men just want to manipulate me" "woe is me the eternal victim"
You really can't fix this level of stupid can you.
"Also 21 years old... pedophilia. Okay, then I'll agree with you. Until 25 people are not yet developed, so nobody under the age of 25 should be having sex at all since they can't reasonably consent." Sex is a need like food. I know elemantary kids having sex. It is all about instincs. A 12 years old kid can have sex but can't look after a kid.
"I can't wait for your excuses or how it's an exception.
"Oh it's okay to be a whore if it's on my terms" "men just want to manipulate me" "woe is me the eternal victim" "- Stop talking bullshit you incel. Just because a kid can have sex, it does not mean, it is mature enough to live on its own without parents help
Men are themself are not mature even in their 30s but except teenie girls to be mature. Logic?
Going after your instincs dont make you a grown up rational thinking experienced human being
You expect someone to take you seriously when dating a legal adult is pedophilia but you think literal elementary schoolers having sex is okay.
And sex is not a need like food. I've gone 23 years without it and won't die from it anytime soon.
Just admit it, you're just being a whiny baby because you dont like being judged.
None of your points have any logical consistency. How can you defer some things to instincts as an excuse and asign arbitrary ages to arbitrary life events? The military actively recruits kids under 18 into the military where then can get killed. But somehow asking an 18 year old girl on a date is an abuse of power? Who are you to decide who is old enough for what or who is being used by who.
If you were desirable to all the men you wanted you wouldn't give two shits about everything you said, doesn't take a genius to see you just don't like being seen as worse. Guess what, get used to it now or be an idiot and learn when it's too late that people aren't going to pander to your arbitrary ideas. When you're old and fat guys see you as a quick lay at best, the same way you look at ugly or short men as trash. The only difference is that the guys learned to live with it early.
Wtf are you talking aboutvyou fucktard? When tf I agree that is ok that men go to millitary at the age 18? A 16 years old girl can have sex but can't live on her own and look after a kid. Just because you could not get laid till your 23 years, it does not mean, others cannot have sex too. Sex is not the same shit a as a marriage or long commited relationship. Do you only have sex in a serious relationship? That is your stupid logic. Men have the privilige to settle down and gain life experiences while girls have to mske life decisions at a young age. I think you are too stupid to understand this
You should only have sex within the confines of marriage. It's clear that you look up to the worst aspects of men in jealousy.
Just like I can't convince you not to be a whore you can't convince me to date 18 year olds for as long as I can.
At the end of the day I'm proud of my life choices, but I know you won't be.
I dont have a problem with young men like you dating young women but dont like how men over 25 want young girls. I see, you are inexperienced too and soo it is fair. And you only date 18 years old girls?
I've dated between 18 and 27. The younger girls are more often than not more attractive, weight less, are nicer, have less expectations, are under less pressure to secure a guy now, and they likely have less of a history, and frankly are less bitter (probably becauserhey haven't been treated badly or broken up). But if a cute girl older than me shows up and isn't like the others I'm perfectly happy to get to know her. But for every 25 year old who fits what I like there's probably ten younger girls who fit that.
You some of the same problems with older men but dont deal with fertility issues so there's no rush, in my experience dont get as bitter, women generally dont judge them for sleeping around (they should though), and frankly they just age better as long as they take care of themselves although many dont.
I think it's stupid to draw a line at a specific age, and maturity is vague with so much variation and multiple aspects. But generally younger women have more going for them. Women also like slightly older men.
You won't be successful if you keep trying to push what you think guys should want onto them.
I dont know. I think i can accept max. 5 years age gap but younger guys are inexperienced and some of them virgins too. I actually like virgin men
@kim45456 at your age it is illegal to date someone 5 years younger.
So we should only have sex if we have the ability to care for babies? Doesn't that nake birth control pointless? Like, you're saying nobody should have sex till 25. Meaning you still have to wait 5 more years to have sex, because you cannot possibly be ready to raise a child. Doesn't matter that you're an adult who lives on your own and payes taxes, until 25, you're legally a child and need a legal guardian.
You can give consent at the age of 14 in my country. So theoretically I can date even a 14 years old boy.
I am not saying you can't have sex with younger girls but what annoys me is, older men except from younger women to marry or have a long comitted relationship without letting them even settle down. It annoys me how it is expected from women to marry before their late 20s. To setttle down, you need to get an education, have a job to to gain independency, have life experiences to avoid toxic people and realistic life goals. A man can wait till his late 30s and can have a lot life experiences. And people drastically chsnge till 25. I changed for example and I am still changing. My ideal man I wished in my 18 years does not match with my ideals now. I know enough women marrying young and regretting 'cause they and their husbands have so many different expectactions from life or many different interests which cause problems. Younger girls dont even know what they want and dont think much about future. You either have to change with her till her 25s or it does not last. I probably would divorce my potential patner, if i married at the age of 18 cause he would not match my ideals anymore. For example i did not give a fuck about bodycount but now it is impossible to me to msrry a non virgin man or I realize I am a little bit dominant. I mean dont except much from younger girls. You can date them but I warned you although you are young too. In western world marrying young is a huge factor for divorce, it would be the same in other third world countries if society would not pressure them or women can't divorce because they dependent on their husbands.
You can date them but i dont recommend marriage before yours 24-25 years. I mean maybe both of you will change the same way or one of you adopt the others ideals. You can try and date younger people but it is a risk.
Well no shit, but I think most men are referring to dating. If anything it's worse to hookup with a young girl because you're just using her and throwing her away.
What I see no issues with is a 27 year old guy meeting a 20 year old and asking if she wants to get a coffee. She's not being abused and has no obligation to him. She can stop dating him at any point, but if they like each other they continue to date... I feel like women make up so much crazy shit in their heads.
Again you can date younger girls but you can't be suprised if it does not work.
"You can give consent at 14 in my country. So theoretically I can date even a 14 year old boy." what? You said men should stay away from 18-21 year old women, you said they are pedophiles, yet you think that is okay? WTF?
by the way, I dont expect women to get married right away, and I think most people agree with me. So your argument about how women are being forced into marriage just seems... outdated. If a woman doesn't want to get married young then she can get a good job and provide for her own needs.
Also, where do you live? I know some guys who are VERY interested in "privately meeting" with some 14 year old girls.
*sarcasm, tbh that shit is fucked up, both children of both genders*
You can try out And you are 23. So you are young too. Haha
If both of you are young and nearly the same age, then you guys can adapt each other ideals 'cause you guys grow up together but I doupt that would work with between a young girl/boy and very older woman/man. After all they are more likely to know what they want from a relationship than from young people
@devilman666
"what? You said men should stay away from 18-21 year old women, you said they are pedophiles, yet you think that is okay? WTF?" - I said that out of anger. Anyway you can date younger girls as long as you let her settle down
"by the way, I dont expect women to get married right away, and I think most people agree with me. So your argument about how women are being forced into marriage just seems... outdated." - the average age for marriage is 25 in us. Well, ok I thought it is way younger but there is a societal pressure on women that they should get kids and find a husband before their 30s. I mean can't I go celibate till my 30 without getting judged?
" If a woman doesn't want to get married young then she can get a good job and provide for her own needs."- would you accept a girl like that?
"Also, where do you live? I know some guys who are VERY interested in "privately meeting" with some 14 year old girls.
*sarcasm, tbh that shit is fucked up, both children of both genders*" i live in Austria but I am from turkey
Hahah
You could probably manage to wait until you were 30 to get married, but the problem is that after age 40 women's fertility declines drastically and the chance of birth defects increases drastically. This makes it much harder to have children.
Yes, I actually quite like independence.
@kim45456 Eventually you will realize that being 26 feels no different than being 21.
It's basically the same.
How old you look depends largely on this like whether or not you wear daily sunscreen or use things like retinol products.
Also your argument about sex being a need is a bad one because it justifies incel violence. You have to find another way to argue that point.
@Robertce i want a fresh untouched flesh
Well, back when I was 23 I had a thing with a fellow student. She was 18. We just bumped into each other by chance at an event I didn't go after her.
In fact, she pursued me and asked for my number.
🤷🏻♂️I don't look that much different now than I did then. I was also a virgin then and she wasn't.
So that's it? I'm out just because of one event and a couple years? That's ridiculous.
I can tolerate max. 3-4 years age gap. So I would date a 23 years old guy but younger guys are more likely to be virgin
@Switchk3 I am shallow matter of principle.
@glutendan wow. at 23 you want to date 18 year olds who are barely legal adults and may not even be out of high school yet. will you be one of those creepy ass geezers at 60 who will be counting down the months till a girl turns 18 so he can ask her out? why should women give a fuck about what some men with toxic mindsets think? we can have kids even if we aren't in a relationship. what do some men offer us nowadays? commitment, loyalty, kindness, care? no. many men nowadays offer us heartache, stress, unfaithfulness, lies, and cheating. as long as i have babies and am surrounded by my family, i will be happy and fulfilled. i can be a single mommy. many men nowadays fund their side bitches more than they do their own kids. could care less if a man is in the picture or not and whether he finds me attractive.
@glutendan again, who cares what men want? some men are whiny bitches who don't want women to focus on their careers because they don't want women to have their own money or be more successful than them. i don't trust men and will never rely on a man to support me and my future babies financially. how do i know that he won't run off into the sunset and never return the second a younger thot with a bigger ass shows up?
@Dianawesr who cares what you want?
@devilman666 as i said, i don't give a fuck about anyone's opinion. i just found it amusing that you had a back and forth convo with 3 of the girls on here. it seems like you really care about what they want. i am just stating a fact and reality (i. e. women can have children with or without a relationship). some men think they are God's gift to women. they aren't. if i find a good man who respects me, i will love and cherish him. if i don't, no fucks given as it won't be the end of the world. toxic men aren't worth stressing over.
Some women are just whiny bitches who dont want men to focus on their own happiness because they dont want men to have emotional and physical independence. As the song "exposure", by Tom Macdonald explains, "They objectify women till they are all that you crave, so you don't realize theirs more to life than just getting laid. You think you're happy, but you're really just so caught in the game
That you don't realize you're wastin' all your money to play". I don't trust women, and will never rely on a woman for my emotional support, I don't care what you bitches think, I see a therapist and I'm proud of myself for it. Think I'm a bitch? Well fuck you, you're the bitch!
Some women think they are God's gift to men. They aren't. Toxic women aren't worth stressing over.
@devilman666 aww, had a bit of trouble coming up with an original comment and felt the need to copy and paste my own? understandable. i am not toxic. i am not the one going around saying women become ugly worthless bitches once they turn 30. why don't you condemn your buddy over there who is claiming women's youthfulness and beauty is all that matters?
@devilman666 was not even replying to you earlier. i was talking to your buddy over there. why get your panties in a bunch for? do you want to claim that some men don't use and discard women like they are objects? women aren't angels or perfect either, but i was addressing your buddy who was talking about women like all they have to offer is their boobs and ass.
First of all, this comment thread is like a month old, I don't think most people care about it anymore. Second I'm not sure which "buddy" of mine you are refering to (apparently all men are buddies?). Third, if that's the persons opinion then what's wrong with that? Is he not allowed to be unnatracted to older women? Why do you get a say in what he is allowed to find beautiful and worthwhile? Of course people still have value no matter what, but whether or not I view them as dating material is another story entirely. It's just called "having standards", it might be a little shallow, but all dating standards are shallow.
I get my "panties in a bunch" because you are generalizing and demonizing men. Here's a question for you though, why are you getting your panties in a bunch? All I did was copy and paste what you said with reversed genders. If you aren't a hypocrite then you should agree with what I said and therefore not be upset. So why are you upset?
I do want to claim that some men dont use and discard women like they are objects. (Though admittedly, plenty women do this to men too, and why shouldn't people? What are you trying to say here? That people should never break up? Using the other person is just patt of the relationship, and demonizing someone for ending their relationship is kinda bs.)
Even if he thinks all women have to offer is their boobs and ass, so what? That's just his opinion, you can view him as an asshole if you want, but what more do you want?
@devilman666 i don't see what exactly your problem is. if he has the right to an opinion, then so do i. i am not "demonizing" men, if you know how to read. I always say "some men," and "sometimes." never did i say all men or men. and i was referring solely to toxic men who treat women like crap. so read closely.
i'm supposed to nod my head in agreement when a man says a woman is worth only her tits and ass and no longer has value past 30 because it's an "opinion." great, i too have "opinions." what you think about them does not matter to me. and i'm not upset. there's no reason to be, since i simply don't care whether men find me attractive because i've learned it is not the reason for my existence. just simply stating my opinion, that apparently only men like you and whoever the other guy is are allowed to have.
as for the relationships ending bit, yeah, it's fine to end relationships. but not to use women and treat them like shit and to have a God complex because you can discard women every three years once she turns 30. you can have standards, but SOME (notice the some in there right?) men think their shit doesn't stink and they fail to see that after a certain age, they themselves have gotten fat and bald and no longer attract what they think they deserve. just an opinion boo, don't get mad.
"I dont trust men" this is a generalization and demonization which shows that you view the entire gender with an unjust negative light. "Do you want to claim that some men don't use and discard women like they are objects?" Oh look, another generalization.
No, you're supposed to respond however you want, but telling me to do something about it is bullshit. Feel free to call him an asshole and/or argue with him all you want, but why get me involved? Like I said, he's entitled to his opinion, you're entitled to yours, but you were acting as if you wanted something done to stop him. State your opinion if you want, but don't try to manipulate and control me, I'm not your tool or your weapon. You said, "why dont you condemn your buddy over there?" "Why get your panties in a bunch?".
Can you stop acting like a victim? I wasn't taking away your opinion, just telling you to stop trying to oppress him over his opinion. Thanks.
And you somehow think you dont demonize men... so what is the difference between ending a relationship and using and discarding the woman?
Actually, statistical data shows that most women find older men more attractive, meaning the majority of women find a 40 year old man more attractive than a 20 year old. There are many arguments for why this is, but it's been supported by study after study for decades. With that said, you're free to have your opinion, I'm just stating that the data I've seen contradicts your opinion, don't get upset, okay?
@devilman666 i don't trust men, nor do i trust women. i didn't get you involved in anything. you were the one that responded to my comment to the other guy and willingly got yourself involved. yawn. bye. convo is getting boring. and honey, generalization means i assume ALL men are the same. i always said SOME, SOME, SOME. but whatever. i don't care to change your opinion.
That doesn't matter to me. I would date a woman in her 30's, though I'm not sure about late 30's. I'm 28 so I would like to say 35 is the oldest I'd be okay with but I could see myself with a woman closer to 40 if I really love her.
My plastic ruler is more authentic. By the way, dating is a joke in this culture. Girls are hooking up left, right and centre so why would any man treat her like she's relationship material.
That in pic, if she is 30+, I would not seriously touch her only in with some other reason underneath and she is soo high maintenance...
Yes, I would F**k her but not more...
She chose all her best years to spend with every man possible and not in serious relationship.
She probably had 100+ men and 50+ abortions, not even saying how many men asked to marry her, but she still wanted her prince charming, not him.
Not saying that all girls are like that, just this one in pics looks like one...
Hi, that is not a typical comment from a male, you have been told a nasty lie, of which at your tender age is shocking. As a humanitarian l love to communicate with ladies of all ages on an equal basis (one of the most intelligent female is 94).
It is weird I have reading the comments and a lot of guys prefer younger than 30.
But the thing is I think most of us nowadays settle late in life.
We go through higher studies, then try to settle in a job and we are already around 27...
It depends on what you like. Some guys like older women for the experience while others don't because of the experience.
I would because I like experienced women who do know what they want in life.
I'm not opposed to youngers either. They just don't like me.
A women like her wouldn't be single at 30+ unless it was by choice.
But, in the unlikely event that she was and she was interested in me, then unless there was some legitimate reason to not date her, I don't see why I wouldn't.
Yeah yeah, guys under 30 are so full of it. They're all talk till last call at the club or "disco" and then they're lucky to get home with their cell-phone let alone a women this attractive. She's a very beautiful.
its true gay men and men that are idiots who refuse to marry older women because there still drooling after that lara croft from tomb raiders.
As a 26 year old guy, personally, I want a girl that is no older than my age, preferably a couple years younger.
(Again, please don't judge lol its personal preference), but to me it feels weird when the girl is older than me.
Age wouldn't be an issue for me. I would probably wonder about her personality and maturity if she was posting pictures like that recreationally (like if she wasn't an instagram model or whatever) at that age though.
No. Some men just like saying hurtful things to hurt women feelings due to their own bitterness.
For me outward appearance is secondary. I'd much prefer someone that makes me truly happy and makes me want to be a better version of myself. Being beautiful on the outside is definitely a plus though.
I wouldn’t say she’s appealing from those pictures. I don’t have an issue dating a 30 year old women though if I’m attracted to her.
Honestly I might refuse because her titties are kind of intimidating and the expensive tastes. I'm over 30, that doesn't phase me
Right now No..
I have +5yrs elder marriage limit
And - 10 years younger marriage limit..
When I am 30 then I will gladly marry a 35 too but not now
i mean it depends on how she looks acts and why i would want to do that i have no problem dating older women not now but later when i am older yea sure i date but other wise eh i rather stick to my own age limit
That's not even remotely true. I don't necessarily think this woman pictured is the most attractive, but her age is no reason for me (if I somehow got the opportunity) to reject her (I wouldn't).
Women that age want really specific things. Marriage and children. They don't necessarily want a relationship and i don't want to get myself in that trouble especially not when i'm just 23. So yeah i'll stay away from them even if they look like her
As long as she is child-less, because I still want some with her then. Besides, pretty pictures you found. :-) And oh, mine is 28, so almost 30.
Nope! That's exactly who I'm looking for but then again I am 35...
This particular woman in the pics isn't attractive, she is fake everywhere. But natural women generally seem to get better with age
No. It depends how her nature is and what the other partner want out of her.
Everybody has certain standards, while they try to shame the opposite sex for having standards that they don't like and accuse them of being hypocrites. It's funny.
God no I love older women, and she is so sexy too lol
But would you consider a monogamous relationship with her?
Yeah definitely if she was into the idea too
There is only one reason why I would not date or be with that girl and that is fake boobs! if her breasts are fake I would rather be with a 60 year old girl with real breasts
I have heard many many things that i thought were silly but unless she's an axe murderer there are about a hundred things id love to know about her , and im sorry her age isn't one of them
I don't get where you come off as being so critical of an axe murderer! Maybe it was an axe-cident? Maybe it was just a one time thing that was on her bucket list, and now she's over it? Why be so judgmental of axe murderers? You don't know the whole story behind it. She could have been just having a bad day, or even just one too many cups of coffee!
Haven't you ever been shopping on a Black Friday? Haven't you ever pulled up to a four-way stop, and the dumbshit that was there first plans on just making a day of staying there?
There's two sides to every story!
Ma'am what the fuck are you on about and you need to be in dms right now.
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Go on a first meeting. if it goes any further is up to her if she has what's needed as a person.
Marriage. nope. that goes for everyone no matter age.
The age wouldn't be an issue but she's way above my punch level.
It's not the age that's the problem. She clearly out of my league because she's too pretty,
How many millionaires do you know who buy used cars?
ill take the chance, but im sure she won't get interested in me.
Going by just her appearance, I would definitely date her.
Especially yes, if her personality is the one that attracts me.
Ladies now that is just a bunch of bologna. Men have just as much diversity as you ladies do. Men just keep it more quiet to socially fit in.
First off the woman in the pic looks very fake and materialistic. If you told me she was younger than 30 I probably still wouldn't want her as a wife.
People need to remember that if they live long enough, they will be 30 at some point in their lives.
Then what will they do?
Assuming thet are of a similar age and she isn't a single mom or ex-whore I think most guys would date her
Like her meaning with fake boobs who dresses like a slut? Yeah, I'm sure many guys care about her age, or anything else about her :)
And then the woman in the picture was presented as an example...
He'll no it not true. I'm just giving my OPINION. THERE is no right or wrong answer, answers will be based solely on opinions. I bet answers will slide, change with age
I think somethings wrong with the men saying that (maybe too much soy). The woman in the photo puts the biggest majority of 20-year old women to shame.
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