I'm not as well traveled, where is it less important to men?
From what I've seen in developing countries especially in remote villages tend to be less visual as they are not caught up with the mainstream media and social media. They care about day to day life and getting on with work and surviving. You can see the same even within one country. I've been to Europe and the US. So some cities people will be obsessed with make up, fashion and plastic surgery. You go to deep into the country and people are less attaining to these things. In my own family I've seen family members marrying and loving women who are less attractive. I've been considered gorgeous by the standard of one country and not by other. And men react to me differently. My point is men are not the same across the globe. In my country men tend to be shy and care about reputation and religion more than looks. I lived in two different cities abroad for a short period of time. One of which was in the UK and I won't name. But men there were so chilled about appearance and weight. Of course not all the cities in the UK are the same. But that's my point.
What’s a tree monster
I've noticed the opposite. Women in developing countries and in most countries outside of the US in general put a much greater emphasis on looks, and they'll also be more vocal about telling me I'm short and ugly.
Lol nah girl, It's all science. Men look for fertility basically. Curvyness, lips, cheekbones, skin color, hair texture, smell. Men visually look for fertility.
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You don’t care about a woman’s hobbies or job?
It doesn't have an impact on my dating decisions if that's what you mean. Women are much more likely to reject a man over some stupid shit like she doesn't want a guy that's super into cars or plays video games. Women nitpick a lot
I wouldn’t want to be with a drug addict
Dumbass. That's not an equivalent to what I said
This is actually the truest answer on here
Women don't date whom they don't find attractive. Same as men. Women consider attractiveness, Job, Status, Personality etc. Men consider attractiveness, personality, emotional intelligence.https://pin.it/1OftwOC
@Aaron_Stone Regular intelligence too
Yet guys are regarded as the shallow sex.
She right.! They are picky
What you deacribed is only the 1% of 1% of all males
I can see why that will always be the most ideal, but if a woman was visual toward you, would that actually be a turn on?
@UncleJessieRabbit "Would that be a turn?"... to who? Me? Her? If the visual is positive then yeah.
The pic is a screenshot
That’s on a dating site, plenty of men care about looks but it is shallow for both sexes
Women also care about it?
Yeah but both sexes care. A dating site is not bound to have the most desirable men or women
Women don't care as much about looks as men. I've heard woman after woman after woman tell me looks aren't that important.
@wisefool I’ve had guy friends who dated really ugly women too. But for me , looks do matter a lot. Try not to stereotype cuz it’s not true
Op/original poster/@hi_is_is_me123 is right, woman care more about looks than men reason bieng evolutionary psychology due to how reproduction in humans work. In the old old days an unhealthy baby basically meant a death sentence, additionally most of the load of caring for the baby lies in the responsibility of the woman. Given that looks are a representation of health you would think it is more important to woman.
@hi_it_is_me123 I agree with you. Women claim/show they aren't bothered about looks but they do even more than men. I have seen how they judge and gossip in their groups.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vlSyjNG546U👆 above video is about how men and women choose partner while dating.
Incorrect, men care more about looks. Women are attracted to less men. Big difference.
Sometimes truth is different than what it's showed to you. I have been in among many women's. I have seen how they gossip and How they checkout guys. Check some dating statistics before claiming on your gut feeling.
What I can say is men's brains are scientifically proven to be more visual based than women's brains. Women are attracted to less men, as the OkCupid study above shows, women find 80% of men unattractive while men find only 30% of women unattractive. Another thing that is never talked about is that women can prefer two different men based on their menstrual cycle. When women enter the ovulating period is when they start dating and looks become a priority. That also explains why women appear to not know what they want.
☺ Fine if you don't believe it. Its not gonna change facts. Women themselves are saying it. What can I say,🤷♂ to each his own.
I mean there's also makeup if all women walked around without it all the time would the results change?
No. results won't change. makeup is far more prominent in USA than others. People in other countries get along very well without it. If all women stop wearing it. Not much will change. Since there is no choice but to choose from what's available.
You just proved the point men are visual because easy to stimulate men find average female body attractive but women aren't visual as much as men and average male body does nothing to them. Women need top top top males to visually stimulated.
@Mamamialetmego women are less visual but we get turned on via touch. We don’t get as much turned on via sight. Doesn’t mean never tho
@Mamamialetmego I would say that women generally are visual but it’s just that men are just extremely visual. I can tell you I’m a visual person myself. It’s kinda like saying women love sex but men are just obsessed with sex. Just because women aren’t obsessed with it, it doesn’t mean we also don’t love it. Way too many dumb false stereotypes going around
@Mamamialetmego I never said men aren't visual creatures 😅 I said women are visual same as men. Only difference is that they don't show it openly. I guess you guys didn't read stats data, or pics I uploaded. Men are open about visual attraction, whereas women don't show openly that they also judge looks first then go for personality.
I also mentioned my experiences within group of women 🚺. I guess you're just jumping to conclusions and bending my words to match stereotypes.
@Aaron_Stone men are more open about attraction in general but they also do tend to be extremely visual. But just cus men are extremely visual, it doesn’t mean women aren’t visual either.
@nelly83 That's what I said. Both men and women first get visually attracted then find if that person has good personality or not for successful relationship 💏.
Mamamialetmego already pointed out that men can desire to have sex based on appearance alone, which is simply not the case for women. That should tell you everything you ever need to know about how important looks are to each gender. It goes without saying, not all women are the same.
@Aaron_Stone there is no such thing as a good or bad personality. Good personality is subjective by the individual. A girl who you find annoying , someone else might find to be good personality
@wisefool there are some men out there who don’t care a lot about looks either. I’ve seen a guy friend date pretty ugly women. We cannot live drink breathe stereotypes all the time
I just said not everyone is the same. The whole debate of this post was whether men or women are more visual. It is a scientific fact that men's brains are more visual and it's obvious.
@wisefool I’m just letting you know the truth. Way too many folks on here with no real world experience but just live eat drink breathe stereotypes
@nelly83 I wonder why many people on this platform take words literally than understanding what's implied. When do people call someone has good personality? when they like the qualities of person. obviously good personality can be subjective. similar to how definition of " Cool person " can be subjective.
Just try to understand 😅 don't take words literally.
@nelly83 I don't know what you're trying to say but I can tell you one thing, stereotypes happen for a reason regardless of how much people deny it. If you're saying that this site is filled with idiots then I agree. That goes without saying for me, just like the fact that everyone isn't the same.
@Aaron_Stone I think that most folks do not know that a good personality is subjective. Most people don’t have real deal understanding of the real world. Most of them just like to listen to what others ramble about online rather than gaining the real life experience and seeing things personally for themselves. They’re all just keyboard warriors who think they know everything since they’ve read a couple of stereotypes online. They don’t tend to have social lives either. Don’t be offended by my reaction towards you. It’s just that most folks online generally are clueless
Chill I didn't said it for you 😅 I said because nelly took it good personality word literally. Also speaking of stereotypesI have already mentioned why this stereotype you mentioned is present. Its because women aren't vocal/open about it. I'm talking from personal experience. Also seen some vlogs and street interviews of women.
@nelly83 srry I was typing 😅
@wisefool I used to think stereotypes are true until I realized that the human population is made up of all Kinds of people. The exceptions to the rule are actually huge. It’s kinda like saying all mothers are amazing loving and caring individuals. Yet there are SO MANY mothers out there that are abusive, torment their own kids , not loving or caring. There are a lot of people that are exceptions to stereotypes. Certain stereotypes are also intentionally overblown by our media. Like women like marrying for money. The overwhelming majority of women do NOT marry for money. Stereotype are simply not reliable
@nelly83 I agree with you.
@nelly83 Wow, so on one hand you say not to stereotype then you turn around and stereotype most people as not being capable of understanding anything. Way to add being a hypocrite onto sounding snobbish. By the way, I couldn't disagree more. Some of the smartest people I've ever talked to were online, it's all dependent on the section of the internet you are using. I'm done with this conversation, please don't @ me again.
@wisefool when I was 18, I used to think stereotypes are true because it encompasses the overwhelming majority. It wasn’t until I got older and gained more experience seeing things or came to a better understanding of the world that I finally realized the stereotypes simply aren’t true. For Those who do think stereotypes are true , it’s is a sign of lack of life experience.
Health isn’t important? Mental physical health?
Any else but health... Isn't important
Agree. Most men have low standards and no game, they are boring as partners.
@HandsomeJacked Having low standards doesn’t mean they’re boring though... in fact having high standards could mean you are close minded and shallow because you’re not willing to invest in people regardless of appearance (I’m attacking myself here, but you know what I mean!)
What you perceive as being close minded might be just self awareness. Some of us just know what we need in life and how to get it
You shouldn’t drink and type at the same time
What about being tall?
Tall for a girl or boy
Lol i dont think wanting a tall girl is a thing
Kind of is
Dont guys always say that they wanna be bigger than the girl it looks kinda weird if the girl is bigger than the guy
I’m open to either height
I've never heard a man say he needs a girl with big boobs, a thin waist and blond hair. If a guy said that, he would get a collective eye roll even from other men. I've heard men say they prefer blondes, but I've heard just as many say they prefer red-heads or brunettes. I've heard men say they like big boobs, even though that's also rare (saying they like fat asses is much more common). Mostly I hear women say men say those things, and it's probably because women like entitled men and men who are more demanding tend to get more attention from women.I've DEFINITELY never heard a man say he needs a woman who makes him feel bigger. I've heard A LOT of women say they need someone who makes them feel small and effeminate. I've heard quite a few women say they need a guy who is at least 6' tall (14.5% of men meet that standard by the way). I've heard women be a LOT more open with what they "need" a partner to look like.
@WhistleForTheChoir I’ve never heard a woman in real life who says she’s needs a man to be 6 feet
What is 6 feet in cms
@AJC997 did you hear it in a dream then? 182 cm about. I'm in one of the two hundred logical countries on Earth that uses the metric system, and I haven't been here long, but the stated standard is 180 centimeters here (and men are even shorter in this country).
Like 1.82-1.83. About 14% of men are that tall. 1.9 about 4% of men are that tall.
Stigma? How’s it a stigma if it’s common knowledge
Why do you fall for a guy Alice?
Okay we will test this idea. Can you desire a guy sexually without knowing him just based on pictures?
Well men can sexually desire a woman without knowing her and just based on pics. Women generally need to know a guy's personality how he behaves how he acts before desiring him.
So we’re hunting women?
What do you mean by that?
We find it acceptable for men to be players and make excuses for their shitty behavior like porn consumption.
Why is reading porn shitty?
Watching porn is contributing to the problems of the world for many reasons.
porn does causes a lot of problems
to both of you, 1) porn doesn't necessarily do anything wrong. on the contrary, availability of pornography has been linked with a decrease of sexual offenses. 2) porn featuring violence and abuse of women appeals disproportionately to women. 3) it's acceptable to both men and women to watch porn. society doesn't make an exception for just men and is in general more lenient to women than men (women receive lighter sentences for the same crime for example). 4) for many guys having sex is difficult it impossible and i suppose porn could be a distraction from it.
*difficult to impossible
@iOoko there has been numerous studies on porn in the US use Google scholar.
@iOoko "porn doesn't necessarily do anything wrong"Yes it does, it objectifies BOTH women and men, many are children/teen/women traffickers, many on drugs, dangerously normalizes incest/violence/sex with children. "on the contrary, availability of pornography has been linked with a decrease of sexual offenses"Nope the data suggests the exact opposite, it contributes to it. Look up what Ted Bundy said about porn as well. "porn featuring violence and abuse of women appeals disproportionately to women"Sources?"it's acceptable to both men and women to watch porn"It shouldn't be." society doesn't make an exception for just men and is in general more lenient to women than men (women receive lighter sentences for the same crime for example).:Sources? "for many guys having sex is difficult it impossible"Then they should examine why no women want them, it's likely a defective character."porn could be a distraction from it"That doesn't make it good. Heroin is a distraction too. Actually porn works the same as a drug, it is very addictive and leads to relationship problems, ED and divorce.
sources:women receive more lenient sentences for the same crimepapers.ssrn.com/.../papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002more porn, less rape (references are cited)www.psychologytoday.com/.../evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assaultwomen are more into violent porn than man (and 62% of women fantasize about being abused)www.vice.com/.../why-are-so-many-women-searching-for-ultra-violent-pornthe worse kinds of men have women. guess who doesn't? poor ugly non-white men. i can show you many sources that show that to the extent that personality matters to women (and it does so much less than looks and status/wealth) women are attracted to low-empathy men, psychopaths and "benevolent sexists but before i do that i encourage you do this mental exercise: what would it take for you to consider a dating a 5'3'' bald Asian male? think of how many such men there are, couple it with the fact that the most attractive men are now available to all women through dating apps and hookup culture, and you should realize that many men don't stand a chance. do they harm anybody by watching porn? not at all.
@iOoko The only legitimate credible source you quoted was the one on women and rape (I didn't throughly scrutinize it either). The rest were pop psychology and estimations, not science. I have no idea why women would fantasize to rape but I promise you, most don't want to be raped. Here is a more recent, legit scientific study for you that shows the link:www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6751001/
@iOoko I don't believe women want psychopaths, I do believe you are bitter in life. Please have a look at my Mytake, it might help you see what you are.
the sources are cited so you don't have to take psychology today's word for it. i know it's not reliable on its own right. you're disregarding everything else that i said.
@iOoko No I look at studies and examine their content, sample data etc. This study here:link.springer.com/.../s10508-012-9934-6That was embedded in this article:www.vice.com/.../why-are-so-many-women-searching-for-ultra-violent-pornbut I can't view the full article. Since you quoted the article, you must have access to the site. Can you please copy the entire study here? That's the only way I can properly analyze it. I am not paying money for it.
I’m quitting erotica for good
@AJC997That's great and a highly attractive quality in a man! If you're looking for a woman, tell her that to impress her! It will go over well!
@iOoko By the way, the study I quoted is newer than the article you quoted.
@aislin9It’s for my own personal health
That's good! I used to look at porn at times because I wasn't aware of the harm but I never do now. You won't miss it!
What about if she has a good body but ugly face? Or does it need to be the full package?
@jeb97xo Yeah just depends on the guy. Guys don't need a full package as long as she has one good thing in her appearance.