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Same reason why you hate feminism. Why would you have to ask?
Interesting rejoinder. I don't hate feminism but I do have some problems with militant feminists. The question is what defines 'equality' and what you have to do to achieve it. That isn't agreed upon by everyone so nobody can say if we have solved women's problems or not.
Because they expose women's games and tactics of manipulation. The only part where they go wrong is assuming all women are the same and all men agree. So just like feminists and other groups. They're flawed.
On this site Feminists like to argue, name and shame, block and report.
MGTOW point out events, conspiracies and know how to trigger feminists. But don't spend a lot of energy arguing with whom they view foolish.
Are you kidding me? MGTOW is solely motivated by hatred towards women. I don't get that vibe from everyday feminists.
There are mainstream groups (everyday feminists, men's rights activists) and there are extremists (radical feminists, MGTOW).
MGTOWs are a bunch of manbabies who think running and hiding from a problem is the best way to solve it.
A lot of MGTOW guys also seem to have an extremely skewed view of how women are, almost considering women downright evil by default.
I don't think I would say that MGTOW believe women are evil. The MGTOW movement (from what I have seen) believes that women are predisposed to behave in certain ways based on historical and cultural norms. That means that MGTOW find women's behaviors incompatible with how those men want to live.
MGTOW is right
women are not safe
they are a risk
and there are plenty of videos to prove that
and if the man wants to keep himself safe
it is better to not play the game
Lmao so obviously a Male
@AlongCameCindy or reverse psychology
Because MGTOW is for men who can't get laid because of how fat and underemployed they are.
Yupp
I think MGTOW and radical feminists are all wacky.
They take out their anger on the wrong people.
I don't even know what MGTOW means. As a matter a fact, I never seen it till today
Because they're not men going their own way, they talk incessantly about women.. who they supposedly have moved on from lmfao.
I think it's because women can't take advantage of men who do that. It's just basically a man living his own life the way he wants to live it.
With the exception of the pleasure of sex, unless he’s gay or an incel, which explains a lot about MGTOW
Your response is pretty common: "They must be gay or losers" is often said. I think you're dismissing the kernel of their argument without understanding it.
To badly paraphrase Sun Tzu ("The art of war"): If you don't know your enemy you will always lose.
MGTOWs see the male/female relationship as asymmetric when it comes to value received/value given. Since they think the deck is stacked in favor of women they elect not to participate. They don't "HATE" women. They just don't want any emotional or legal entanglements with them.
If they are truly gay or incel losers then you won't be interested in them romantically anyway so why would you care if someone is MGTOW or not?
I don’t. It’s the ones who say they’ve “gone their own way” - went MGTOW - who have also asked me out because they found me different. I turn them down and say go your own way every time I find out they were MGTOW. Trust me, they can go their own way because then they’re staying out of mine lol I prefer real men.
Sorry if you misunderstood that. But yeah, most any woman will tell you we don’t care about MGTOW guys and we prefer that those incels do go their own way because they are staying out of ours and it gives us more of a straight shot to the men - real men who know how to handle women and put them in their place when needed but also they are wanted. Makes a big difference. That’s the whole reason those guys “go their own way.”
Because secure people don’t need labels and a movement to back them up for life. Real men who just don’t find women worth it - they just chill out and be sexy until they find one worth it or they stay single but have fun. Now THOSE are men who are worth it when they find a good woman who’s worth their time.
But if they’re babies who gotta have a label... nah, any woman will just say go your own way and stay out of ours.
Sorry if that was confusing. Hopefully it makes sense now. Happy Holidays 🎄
I would say it's the same reason men dislike feminists. The only ones you really hear are the hardliners, not the ones who are actually trying to help the cause.
Are you sure it's not the same as the other way around? Because most dudes can't stand radical feminists. I'm pretty sure you MGTOW dudes really hate them.
I don't hate it, just don't care.
Because they actually don't go their own ways but rather wanna stay making unfair generalizations about women.
Also same reason why women hates feminism.
Because MGTOW would rather fuck a microwaved bagel than a woman
🤣🤣🤣 I'd kinda like to see that! Fresh out of the oven! 🔥
@Hermes-Paris I don't think it feels too good though.
Thanks dood. You made me laugh!
@Hermes-Paris well I saw it on Family Guy an episode where they swore off women from years ago lol
Funny but not from what I have seen. Mgtow don't want professional or romantic relationships with women but I am pretty sure they are happy to use women for sexual release.
Butter is in the fridge! *sips* 🍷
for much the same reason I do. they are selfish, self involved shit-heads.
i mean women said motherhood is not necessary to validify womanhood then why do they get upset when we talk about artificial wombs?
The movement is a meme, you missed the memo.
MGTOW is just New-Wave Feminism for men.
Apparently, leaving women alone is violence.
For exactly the same reason men hate feminism.
And no, one is not worse than the other. They are two sides of the same hate driven, sexist coin.
What does "going your own way" mean exactly?
It doesn't make much sense for men to think "going their own way" can be done as a group
LOL true
Its when men decide they've have enough of women, and stop trying to date them.
So voluntarily celibacy?
Yes and no. Most MGTOWs still hire prostitutes and the likes. But apart from that, they avoid women.
Thanks for the info. I can't help but view "going their own way" as a few men portraying forfeiture as renegade self-actualization, when in truth, a comfortable bubble of safety in which to exist is merely what they seek
Please add me and send me a message Walter.
Hiring prostitutes is avoiding women? Lmaoo
@Aphrodite801 Good point!
They are avoiding the romantic and economic entanglements but it's a fair criticism. Men don't become MGTOW without a reason. I suspect a painful reason.
@freddy why don’t you just go ahead and admit you’re part of the MGTOW? With your comments in support of that trashy group you might as well be. @inquisitive88 yes girl these guys are a joke. That’s not avoiding women at all 😂
I am not a MGTOW but I have read their literature to understand it and critique it. I am a men's rights activist and adhere to 'Red Pill' views but I do not hate women (collectively or individually). Are they 'misguided'? Yes. Are they evil? Nope. But they are a voice/perspective that can call out injustices or biases that may be worth correcting.
Following that “Red Pill” crap means you are a weirdo. And probably sexist. Being a men’s rights activist when men have all rights and more rights than women is just weird. MGTOW is an evil group, never in my life have I seen an guy in support or part MGTOW not be sexist or bash women. We will never speak again. Good bye.
@Freddy78361 I thought your comments were distinctly objective and helpful
Are you admin walter?
^Well then you’re a fool too
@Freddy78361
I have studied their lies as well and they are lies... such as women have more rights in custody battles etc etc. It's pure BS. The only thing I agree on is circumcision. I don't think that should be legal.
The idea behind a dialogue is to get to understanding a different person's perspective and reach common ground. I would like to think that this site is an exploration of differing views so that we can better understand each other. We already have twitter and Facebook where people launch screeds at each other.
Dismissing someone's ideas out of hand disrespect them and their experiences. @inquisitive88, I wish you well in your journey and am sad that we won't be able to do it together.
@Freddy78361
I didn't dismiss them. I studied them. We can discuss them here. There are NO laws that state a man gets custody over children. Stats show most dont go to court because the man fucks off. Hope that helps your ignorance.
@Aphrodite801 you're making MGTOW seem reasonable by comparison. That's not easy to do
@stuntbrain
I can't message you.
Most guys in there are shit
That’s exactly why they’re there LOL. If they weren’t and women wanted them, there would be no such thing as MGTOW.
I doubt many care
Who cares what women hate?
What the hell is MGTOW?
That is hilarious!
@RolandCuthbert I'm serious.
me too!!!
This nonsense has been around for a decade. As the theory goes, mgtowers are fed up with feminism. So they refuse to have relationships with women. They just use them for sex and go back go their lives. But boy are women important to the definition of themselves.
@RolandCuthbert Never heard of it.
Obviously that culture has done will without me knowing about it.
Because MGTOW hate women.
because it's stupid
why is it stupid to protect yourself
@grace9876 Protect from what?
from the current law and how most women treat men
@grace9876 What current law precisely?
oh u want a list ok
1- women legally cannot comit rape as rape is defined as penetration without consent
2 - The Duluth Model on Domestic Abuse is highly sexest as it characterises domestic violence as being a primarily male-perpetrated crime caused by "patriarchal terrorism",
3 - men lose cusduty of their kids nearly all the time
4 - men are the put it prison for longer than a women even if they both comited the same crime
5 - women can get men out in jail for false rape claims
should i go on
@grace9876 all of that is your subjective opinion LOL
not when there is a whole movement cuz of it lol
i could say the same about feminism as it being their subjective opinion so i can call them stupid and their movement dumb
plus yes the laws are unfair to men due in large part to feminism and that is why MGTOW was formed to protect them self of the damage feminism is doing
and all your reply shows is you have no counter arugment
@grace9876 I don't care what your opinion is. There is no actual law.
@grace9876 none of those are actual laws.
You are correct; there are no laws for those things. But that doesn't mean there is no discrimination againstmen. There are no laws that discriminate against women, either. Isn't it great living in a world full of equality and no discrimination?
@thisismyopinion the rape one is actual law.
@Freddy78361
Your world is very very small if you think there are no laws that discriminate against women. The world doesn't = your backyard. Duh!
@Silver158 Name the law.
@Silver158 so the women won't be charged with rape, but she will still be charged with sexual assault and get years in jail.
You talk like they walk free they don't.
@inquisitive88 www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/1
Specifies a penis, something women are usually lacking.
@ThisIsMyOpinion but how do you prove it? women have things such as rape kits etc which show forced penetration. Can't get that with a guy.
@Silver158
I am not stupid, nor are other people here. Your disingenuous trickery won't work. Either you are dishonest or you are just stupid. The second part states:
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
@Silver158 legislation. gov. uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1
That's the complete list also, nice try though.
Also here:
cps. gov. uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-3-consent
You people are just plain stupid.
@Silver158 the same way any rape can. Body fluids, marks on your body, chemicals on your blood, your statement that gets the rapist to testify and possibly get caught in a lie, etc.
@Silver158 women have been put to prison for this before and they will continue to be relax. So will men that rape them.
@ThisIsMyOpinion
What these idiots try to do is omit portions of the law or act to make it seem like it's biased against men. They are so dumb it's unbelievable. What's the motive do you think?
I personally think they want to beat and rape women and are upset they can't.
@inquisitive88 I don't think they want to rape women. They don't hate them women they just resent them.
It's a snowball. They want partner, but they get rejected constantly or don't even get to that part for whatever reason. They want something that they don't have and that makes them sad. Over time that sadness can turn into anger and resentment for all the option that women tend to have unlike them.
So they find every reason to bash women. Anything is good. Implying bias agaisnt men on the law, claiming all women cheat, saying all women want is rich assholes etc. It's they way to release some anger and also a way of "getting revenge" on them.
Also helps them to lie to themselves that they are not to blame for not having a relatiosnhip since, with the lies they chose to believe, women are actually not wrth it.
@inquisitive88 complete list? do you not know how to read law?
@ThisIsMyOpinion I think you are probably a male feminist.
@Silver158 Believe it or not, I am not a feminist. As good that their base idea is, there are just too many radicals in the movement for me to want to associate with them.
Oh my God.
Did you actually ask that?
No wonder there is a MGTOW.
@inquisitive88 Firstly, you accused me of "attempting to omit law to make myself right" but you just went and committed the part specifying the requirement of a penis.
Secondly, the "complete list" is irrelevant because we're talking about rape which is covers specifically by the section I linked and specifies the requirement for a penis.
You can go on and on about consent all you like because that is also covers sexual assault which sin;t rape due to not requiring a penis.
You're wrong, deal with it, have a nice day :)
@ThisIsMyOpinion Dunno your whole "if they don't agree with women at every point then they must resent women" stance screams male feminist.
@Silver158 they can disagree with women. Sure! I disagree with them lots of times!
Still there is a big difference between disagreeing and vomiting out nonsense.
@Silver158 saying that women face no legal repercussions after raping a man a good example.
@Silver158 Yes, the list of laws. You are omitting (lying) about.
In relation to these offences a person (A) is guilty of an offence if she/he:
acts intentionally,
(B) does not consent to the act, and
(A) does not reasonably believe that (B) consents.
@Silver158 You ommited this part showing he AND SHE. You are dishonest AND wrong.
@ThisIsMyOpinion
Yeah I agree somewhat. It's a sour grapes scenario... well, they didn't really want a woman anyway because all women are whores, cunts, etc etc. Whatever else these idiots say to get revenge.
It's more though. You always see them talking about wanting to hit women and complaining about the me too movement and that they can't do as they want anymore. I personally think they hate not being able to beat and rape women.
@inquisitive88 Last year in my country the amount of women killed by their husband was astonishing. Also marked by many cases of rape and assault where the men who did it walked free.
I think men who want to do it, still do it. Me too doesn't stop them.
It stops a few guys from making sexist remarks at work. it will not stop a man that actually want to beat or rape someone.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Possibly yes but they are more paranoid at least about what they can't do.
" I think you are probably a male feminist"
See, they try to shame you as well. They guys are simply evil.
@inquisitive88 don't worry it doesn't affects at all.
@inquisitive88
Rape
(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.
(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.
Not seeing is say "she" anywhere? I am however seeing the part where it says "penis". Because unlike you I know how to read the legislation. You're looking at parts that apply to other offences or looking at the explanation for consent, which again applies to sexual assault (which isn't rape and woman can commit).
If you don't understand what relevance means in a legal sense then... you're honestly a lost cause with a thin argument and I'm done arguing with you.
@ThisIsMyOpinion
"@Silver158 saying that women face no legal repercussions after raping a man a good example."
Because women can't be convicted of raping a man... They, can, however, be convicted of sexual assault which is different. And if you've actually spent any time dealing with legal systems or issues you'll know that women are routinely given either shorter sentences or in some cases no repercussions whatsoever... i. e. "he's a guy he must have wanted that girl to touch him".
Live in reality man...
@Silver158 First to my understanding that women can't be charged with rape, only sexual assault law exists only in one a American state. Even if I am wrong and it exists all over US, the rest of the world still exists and doesn't operates like that. And the fact that women still get jail time should put your mind at ease.
Also never said that injustices don't happen. It's true that men can be convicted with just a false claim, but i's also true that rapists walk away with the excuse of what a women was wearing? So where do we stand? Is this just a matter of individual luck? Are we really fighting to see who has it worse? What does it matter? What badge of honour do you get from being society's biggest victim?
We should be adressing each others issues instead of trying to dismiss what problems the other has with our own.
@ThisIsMyOpinion "he rest of the world still exists and doesn't operates like that. And the fact that women still get jail time should put your mind at ease." I linked English Law which does operate like that.
"Also never said that injustices don't happen. It's true that men can be convicted with just a false claim, but i's also true that rapists walk away with the excuse of what a women was wearing?" Yeah that does happen. But the point I'm trying to make is women have a lot more leeway in these cases than men. A woman can slip her hand down a guys pants without any consent whatsoever and most people will not bat an eye. Guy does the same and is condemned. The same goes for false rape claims, guys are guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of society here. In the case of a woman falsely accused of sexually assaulting a guy it's the other way around. It's double standards from both legal and societal standpoints.
@Silver158 I also search and you are right in the UK is like that. In Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Germany, etc, they can be charged with rape.
If women actually had that much force regarding rape cases then most rape accusations would end up in convictions and that is far from the truth, only around 16% do.
But I have to agree that women do get shorter sentences than men, in any crime not just rape. And false rape claims from men is simply non existing.
@ThisIsMyOpinion I already listed it and you refuse to look at it! What you list is only PART of the law. You're dishonest and manipulative.
cps. gov. uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-3-consent
Sexual Offences Act 2003
The Act sets out the offences requiring the prosecution to prove absence of consent at sections 1-4. They are:
rape;
assault by penetration;
sexual assault; and
causing a person to engage in sexual activity.
In relation to these offences a person (A) is guilty of an offence if she/he:
acts intentionally,
(B) does not consent to the act, and
(A) does not reasonably believe that (B) consents.
In relation to many other offences there is no requirement to prove an absence of consent. Only the act itself and the age of the victim or other criteria need to be proved. They include:
rape of a child under 13
assault by penetration of a child under 13
sexual assault of a child under 13 and
inciting or causing a person to engage in sexual activity with a child under 13
child sexual offences involving children under 16
children under 18 having sexual relations with persons in a position of trust
children under 18 involved with family members over 18
persons with a mental disorder impeding choice
persons with a mental disorder who are induced threatened or deceived
persons with a mental disorder who have sexual relations with care workers
NOW STFU Liar.
@inquisitive88 I think you might have direct that last post to me and not to @Silver158.
Still I made a quick search and it looked like women in the UK could not be accused of rape. I am glad that is not the case. I didn not had seen your previous post mentioning that Act.
Hey @Silver158 see? Turns out the UK cares about men more than you tought. This is a good thing! Is what you wanted right?
I personally don't mind someone telling me that the research that I did is wrong if it gives me good news.
@ThisIsMyOpinion I'm so sorry. Women can rape according to the law (Silver just didn't read the entire law nor did anyone else that says that). It clearly say SHE in the law.
@silver158 already listed it and you refuse to look at it! What you list is only PART of the law. You're dishonest and manipulative.
cps. gov. uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offences-chapter-3-consent
Sexual Offences Act 2003
The Act sets out the offences requiring the prosecution to prove absence of consent at sections 1-4. They are:
rape;
assault by penetration;
sexual assault; and
causing a person to engage in sexual activity.
In relation to these offences a person (A) is guilty of an offence if she/he:
acts intentionally,
(B) does not consent to the act, and
(A) does not reasonably believe that (B) consents.
In relation to many other offences there is no requirement to prove an absence of consent. Only the act itself and the age of the victim or other criteria need to be proved. They include:
rape of a child under 13
assault by penetration of a child under 13
sexual assault of a child under 13 and
inciting or causing a person to engage in sexual activity with a child under 13
child sexual offences involving children under 16
children under 18 having sexual relations with persons in a position of trust
children under 18 involved with family members over 18
persons with a mental disorder impeding choice
persons with a mental disorder who are induced threatened or deceived
persons with a mental disorder who have sexual relations with care workers
NOW STFU Liar.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Why do you think?