Why do MGTOW hate feminists when they should hate traditionalists?

[Anonymous]

I thought feminsim was women becoming independent and having equal opportunities as men, and not having to rely on men for money, home, instead they earn their money on their own?

And traditionalists is all for housewife caring for children and housework and the man is the finance.

And Im not talking about radical feminists who think women are better than men because Im really not for that at all. And I keep seeing MGTOW's bringing down women and saying men are better than women and all they are good for is reproduction and thats it... I've watched several videos on youtube about these "preachers", and for the most part they want women to be submissive to the man like a house wife but they don't want her to rely on your money, where is the sense in that?
Thats not even "men going their own way". Also they keep talking about women as if they are ALL golddiggers and whores, what on earth is up with that? I don't want to rely on a man for money, I want to make my own...

Explaination, anyone?

[Anonymous]

I think mostly it has to do with feminists being responsible for laws that hurt men. A large part of their beliefs is trying to avoid being hurt by those laws.

There are actually a lot of different types of guys that call themselves a part of MGTOW just lIke their are many tyes of feminists. For the most part it is about avoiding a relationship where the other person has power over you. Feminism teaches the same principles to women all the time.

Most guys that decide to follow that path have horrible experiences with women in the past. It only stands that a lot of them would be bItter. The crazy people will always scream the loudest.

There are in fact a lot of people within the movement that hate the traditionalist lifestyle more than feminism. They believe that it always advantaged women over men by using men like a disposable beast of burden. Feminism on the other hand can be viewed as turnin women into disposable sex objects.

The movement does have a lot of hate around it but it also makes some good points. Men need to learn how to avoid being manipulated the same way feminism teaches women not to be manipulated. The biggest difference between this and feminism is that it is more passive aggressive then feminism. Whereas feminism is often directly aggressive against men.

[Anonymous]

Feminism claims to be about equality, which means supporting and caring about the needs and challenges of both genders. But the truth is feminists try to deny or minimize men's problems. It's as if they feel threatened by the idea they are not the only ones with problems. It threatens their victimhood.

Equally problematic is the fact that feminism never takes any ownership for all the harm it has cause over the years to men and society as a whole. Feminism is anti-male in a lot of ways and is too dishonest to admit it.

That's why MGTOW hate feminists.

[Asker]

Feminism is simply a focus on women's rights, not mens rights. It is still about equality since females are still seen as inferior as males (not as strong and apparently not as smart as men). I don't feel threatened by men's problems at all, in fact most men's problems are caused by the men themselves, like male suicide due to the fact that men think its a "feminine" thing to talk about feelings, and prison rape.

And now men whines and complains about them losing few advantages in a originally male dominated society, when women has had far more disadvantages and much fewer rights in a much much longer time.

[Opinion Owner]

Your victim mentality, bias and and ignorance about male issues is perfectly characteristic of feminism. You're precisely the reason feminism is so hated today, and why support for feminism has gone down the toilet. Congratulations.

[Loadning]

I don't see the victim mentality in her comment though bro, male suicide and rape in jail is a male issue only we can sort out ourselves.

[Opinion Owner]

@Loadning Male suicide is a male issue? How sad is that? If the statistics were reversed and it were females who were committing suicide at 4 times the rate of males, you better believe it would be society's problem, not just a female problem. Women's problems are everyone's problems but men's problems are men's problems. That's what I'm talking about here. And guys like you only make matters worse.

"It is still about equality since females are still seen as inferior as males" <- that is the victim mentality, bro. The fact is men have it at least as tough as women today but the feminist victim mentality persists. Feminists and even fools like you are just so brainwashed to see only the gynocentric view of things.

[Opinion Owner]

The issue of male suicide is so much more complex than the cliche "men don't feel comfortable talking about their feelings" bullshit. That is such a load of crap. We have so much to learn about the problem yet we just dismiss it as men's problem and it never gets any attention. That's tragic, and feminists and idiots like you are one of the biggest reason for that.

[ShaeNielson]

MGTOW doesn't hate feminists, they hate every single female in the world because they are some of the most pathetic people on this planet :)

[BuchitaBuchys]

MGTOWs are not rational beings. I'm so glad that there are more men against than for it, or just ignore them altogether.

[Anonymous]

In many ways legal marriage is nothing but a contract describing what happens when you divorce. everything that happens while married you decide as a couple.

The contract is absurd. Nobody would sign it if they saw it that way. They think they are signing a contract to be together for life, when what they are signing is nothing of the sort. Nothing obliges your partner to be part of the relationship. Nothing obliges them to work on the marriage. But you're sure as hell paying alimony of they weren't working because they didn't want to and you were nice enough to be okay with it.

[YeaNo]

Not all MGTOW are MGTOW for the same reason.
Many are traditionalists who blame women in the work force for not being able to provide for a family.
If you go into more detail you also will find them complain about housewives who do not do house work nor do they work outside the home.
Surely you've encountered a housewife who had a messy home.

[Anonymous]

The thing I don't like about MGTOW is how much they like to talk. Just do it, go, no need for a long goodbye. I am not interested in your reasons.

Like Tuco says, "If you are going to shoot, shoot, don't talk".

[evenlift]

If feminists supported female independence, they would oppose the regulatory-welfare state.

[HereIbe]

It's because MGTOW is made up of sad, weak crybabies who think that all their problems are caused, since feminism teaches that women are not mandated to worship men and live only to serve them.

[Anonymous]

Most MGTOW men actually want to get married or have relationships with women, but choose not to because of feminist laws that make marriage dangerous for men.

[Asker]

But the thing is that when they talk about marriage they only talk about the divorce or child custody, when in reality divorce is not whats supposed to come to mind when getting married..

[Opinion Owner]

But it is a huge risk. Half of marriages end in divorce and that number is only rising. And It is men who are usually punished. Think about working your entire life building up financial stability only to have it taken away along with your children by your wife. I did want to get married at one point, but I learned through personal experience that divorce is a very real possibility, and that it will destroy any aspirations I choose to have for the future. I don't affiliate with MGTOW because the movement itself has many (not all) hateful individuals, but I do recognize that marriage is bad, and has a high chance of taking from the man, even when it does not end in divorce.

[Asker]

Yeah, thats true. Well marriage nowadays is unfortunately quite pointless in itself due to divorce rates. 😅

[Noxifer626]

Because the MGTOW movement is not for men. It's against feminists. If you look at its timeline, you will realize it has only existed for as long as feminist voices have begun to be heard.

[Anonymous]

This is why

https://youtu.be/3nY6OY8VjQQ

[Anonymous]

I'm a member of the MGTOW group and I don't hate any woman. I just don't want to deal with women and their endless amounts of bullshit.