I see it as a sociological response to much of the genuine man-hating spouted by feminists.
For example, a feminist wrote a book that suggested men be killed until people listened about women being murdered. I wish I could find the reference, it was in the past year or so. She was interviewed, and defended it.
How many times have I seen "kill all men," or "men are trash," or have had strangers walk up to me and call me a rapist for literally no reason? Too many times to count.
That level of murderous desire from women I simply do not see from men. They want to dissociate from women. Others definitely hate, but it is not a malicious, murderous hatred. I have yet to see one time where a man mentions to "kill all women."
MGTOW is loosely related to the men's rights movements, though it's different in that many men simply disconnect from society. That should be expected. These are not older men for the most part, but younger men disillusioned and disenfranchised trying to grasp what they can after being called rapists, child abusers, murders, and basically horrible people. Some men come back with that same level of hatred, because they're as immature as the women who espouse such malice.
MGTOW, by nature of being a backlash movement, will always generate friction just by existing, though it is also proof that bigotry exists in the feminist camp, simply by the statements made and actions taken.
Frankly, genuinely equal rights would probably make everyone miserable, and if they could stop being selfish and feeling entitled for a moment to have compassion for another person, then we'd start to see society heal. Instead, we're distracted by sports, material goods, and wealth, which has taken a dive in the past few months, leaving us to focus on other things, now seemingly news/politics oriented and turning more negative than before. We're no longer politely numbed.
I think it's all linked together and is a giant diarrhea sandwich.
It's multiple thing's.
The funny thing is that it's mostly female's that has something to hide or protect that isn't fun that it gets exposed, enlightened and that they doesn't have any control over it.
It's mostly a domination thing. that they can't control.
a lot of people that have certain kind of privilege and power over an other group tends to misuse it.
They doesn't like it when they loosing it.
Doesn't like that the one's they doesn't have control over enlight others since they gonna lose more, make it harder for them to to live in the same way as before.
(It's not fun and are unpleasant to change and develop)
Sure. you still have small group's of bitter people in that lifestyle group.
It's totally understandable when they have got enough of being surprised and misused.
It happens to every group that gotten surprised.
That do you notice from people that did flee from fascism and dictatorship.
Has nothing to do with victim complex like in certain ideology groups that actually suffers from mental health problems (they are in a dark place in their mind's). that kind of ideology group is a total different story that isn't popular to talk about since they behaves like some kind of narcissist.
A lot of them sadly are hypocrites. They say they don't to be around women altogether, no marriage, relationship dating, sex, nothing. BUT those same guys are watching pornography and masturbatimg but so called celibate. Tgeir premise at the beginning got me and I understood until I began seeing how many are bitter, spiteful and hateful men. And they're trying to recruit other males into their cult just like feminism does. It's just a male version of it and it's crazy.
As a celibate person myself, I am all for going your own way, but if your going your own way why you do need vasiy a club to declare it? Some have rational reasons for it, others are toxic just like any group. You have toxic Christians, toxic atheist , toxic leftist, and the lost goes on. Anybody who's toxic I don't like and need in my life period. Always loud and talk the talk bit don't walk the walk.
I think it's less to do with us hating the movement, and more so hating the irrational excuses those men being up instead of being responsible for their decisions. More than half the things they day makes no sense. Sometimes they have a good point, other times they do not. Just like feminism. Depending on who your hearing from, some have really good arguments, but many do not.
They talk about women too much for a movement that was supposed to be about going their own way leaving women alone.
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From what I’ve seen, women don’t hate MGTOW. It’s MGTOW that hates women.
Every women I know is pretty much ambivalent about MGTOW. Like, basically a shrug is the response. The most verbal I’ve heard is “men who label themselves as MGTOW are just doing women a favor. Women don’t want to be with a man who hates women.”
It’s my observation that men do an awful lot of projecting in this world. Always have and always will.
Women are intimidating when you really think about it: we have the ability to create and nurture life.
With the loss of physical strength as a requirement for survival in modern society, it seems lost men feel lost or at least feel a loss of power. This comes out in various forms: abusing women, desire to control or dominate women, or just downright hating women.
The bottom line is that we all need to just be a bit kinder to each other, and we all need to stop trying to control anyone but ourselves. If a person can exercise self control and kindness, they will find no need to try to force roles, opinions, or anything really on another living being. The list for power is a sin for a very good reason. Men have been in power for thousands of years and it has brought war, hoarding of resources, and dehumanization of women and even other men.
The real problem doesn’t lie with men or women. The real problem is lust for power and/or control of another’s life, actions, skills, etc.
Now that women are starting to gain equal footing in the power arena, we are seeing backlash from men who don’t want to relinquish thousands of years of the ability to dominate over and oppress, another’s life. Anyone who engages in this lust for power, male or female, is embracing their evil side.
Back to MGTOW though. The guys who just want to be left alone and live a solo life, and have NEVER felt the need to say a single disparaging thing about women, are good guys. Kudos.
It probably the MGTOW that simply cannot stop talking about women, or who go out of their way to be unkind to a woman, that get hateful responses from women. But again, I’ve seen none of this. I have to assume it exists simply because this question exists: So the question sort of answers itself. It would be silly to expect women to love being victimized.
The problem with MGTOW is that it isn't a true movement that helps men, but rather a reactionary movement formed purely out of anger and hate. It's mostly filled with entitled men supposedly "going their own way" because they can't have their own way. Instead of developing the wisdom required to maintain a healthy relationship, gaining the courage to approach women for relationships, and/or being introspective to uncover potential character flaws that might cause a relationship to fail, MGTOW tend to blame women for their problems and completely give up on women. However, instead of actually "going their own way" and enjoying their supposedly single lives without women, they spend most of their time online complaining about women. It proves that they truly want women, but are frustrated due to not putting in the effort to get them. If not that, they feel that women should just come to them because they might be "nice." While I wouldn't call myself a feminist at all, MGTOW tend to blame feminism for many of their problems too. While feminism isn't perfect, it can't stop a person from finding a good woman and having a good relationship. When things get tough, a real man never quits. He solves whatever problem he faces in life and keeps grinding until he achieves his goal. MGTOW doesn't encourage men to do this. Instead, it encourages men to whine, bitch, and moan instead of doing better. I don't see how anybody can respect that.
I don’t belong to MGTOW but I’ve considered it.
What women fail to understand about MGTOW is the that it is NOT a men’s rights activist movement. It is just men who have sworn off “modern” dating expectations and are going their “own way”. They don’t seek out or into relationships with western expectations. They might hire an escort to get their needs met. But they just don’t buy into all this feminist bullshit.
Some of the most influential men in the world have avoid relationships to focus on their livilihoods (Isaac Newton is one example).
Nothing wrong with that and it doesn’t make them “gay”. It’s just funny how single men past the age of 30 get labeled “weird or gay” and single women get labeled “strong or bitter”. It’s bullshit either way. But still it’s a disgusting cheap shot. Women say that because they KNOW it hurts those guys and it has to stop.
I don’t hate women. But when I’m trying to seek out a meaningful relationship I continually encounter freeloaders, ghosters, psycho chics , dishonest/unfaithful women and flakes I find that MGTOW looks more and more appealing.
It’s obviously not the same thing at all.
MGTOW overly promotes self-ownership, taking control of your own life and not being at the mercy of others, namely women in this modern political and social climate.
Modern men tackle this problem with a number of different strategies, but MGTOW in particular are ore tied toward the isolate and hunker down, wait for the storm to pass... or lock down and wait for the pandemic to pass.
They know it’s not practical for a society for everyone to do it. Unlike feminism, the point isn’t to assimilate everyone and make others like themselves. The point is that they’ve experienced some kind of hardship with women (for many is a bad divorce and no custody or younger guys who had unusually many or damaging encounters with women that were toxic) and they process that by isolating themselves from what hurts them and work on themselves.
Nothing to do with feminism, except in the sense that feminists don’t like groups of people that won’t bend the knee — and also has disproportionately many of those toxic women that need to be avoided.
Because they very often make wide generalisations that simply aren't true in order to justify putting women down. (I know feminazis also do this with men). Even the generalisations don't bother me so much as the fact that they often refuse to listen when someone points out the flaws in their arguments, especially if a women disagrees with their statements if she doesn't believe they apply to her or those she knows. I am sure there are some who just don't want to date and that's perfectly understandable, but there is no need to demonize any particular group of people. I find that they also often put too much stock in evolutionary fundamentalism, obviously we do exhibit evolutionary behaviours but people are so far beyond those times in terms of psyche, imagination, ideals, individual beliefs, cultural and religious differences etc that I do not think one single evolutionary trait (that may or may not exist) can be used to define how half of the population thinks and acts e. g. women don't care about men, they just need a protector and someone to give them babies to continue the species and they only people they need to live are their offspring. I've seen that one a fair few times and obviously it's based on multiple assumptions rather than facts.
I have been to the subreddit and it is nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be although there is the occasional bitter user. The entire idea is wanting to get men to improve themselves for their own sake instead of for women, that their life shouldn’t revolve around having a girlfriend or wife.
They can if they want but they are aware of the risks. The risk of the false rape allegation and the marriage institution being easily exploitable by the wife as she can divorce for no reason and has a high chance of winning family court if the man was stupid enough to have children with her.
This isn’t what I believe but this is what THEY believe. For the most part I can see where they are coming from but I cannot stand by their “all women are like that” narrative as supporting such claims makes them no different than the radical feminists they hate so much. Maybe that is to say that until things are fixed, that is what they will assume but I don’t have enough evidence to support that.
Why do women hate MGTOW?
The first and most important reason is that women's power over men (hence, over a modern society that was built by men, but not owned by men anymore) was acquired by regulating what we need the most. Women know 100% of men need sex so bad. Is an urge too painful to just shrug away, it will just become pointless aggression if repressed, which is starting to manifest in society, either by the rise of very frustrated angry men or by the overgrowing of passive men in this godforsaken world. And that is exactly the point of control they need to do whatever they want with us. Men has been tricked by women into doing the most idiotic deeds since the most masculine patriarcal of eras. Even for a movement that looks so ridiculous, watching a bunch of men standing up to just ignore their unfair play and stop "simping" just represents a threat to their instinct, because it may turn the sorcery against the sorcerer, making things a little bit harder for them. Which is more than fair, in my opinion. Having romantic relationships with women is just plain risky nowadays, because you never truly know if you can trust even the most angelical attitude. You give means to exploit a lot from men to a being that is shady and unconsciously manipulative since the dawn of times, you're in for a lot of trouble. That is a fact. If women looked at this JUST as some "incels" talking BS, they wouldn't be seething this hard.
The other reason is the most obvious one. They look ridiculous and they are in reality a bunch of hypocrites, missing the whole point. If you want to ignore something, just do it. Blabbing about it and attacking who you want to shun is just an illogical move. If they were organized, rational and aimed only to men that wants to control their urges, their complexes and insecurities, it wouldn't be so much of a disaster.
Listening to the responses here is amusing. I have never seen so many poorly researched responses in my life. Many MGTOW’s don’t even visit online sites and if they did it would amount to the tip of the iceberg. I’ve been married twice so the pathetic incel goes out the window. I also have a child, many MGTOW’s have been married and have had children. Many of us just have no interest in the rat race called relationships and dating. We’d rather focus on self improvement and gaining financial independence. I realize in doing such actions that attracts suitors. It fits with the desires of what women want sucessful men and the lack of pursuit. Women want the pursuit to some degree not the crazy stand outside your window type but the goo goo eyes in a gym, a well timed smile or wink. Sure MGTOW men are going to acknowledge attractive women issue is it stops there. MGTOW is a vague outline of platforms, no meetings, no steps, no management, people are free to choose to the degree they wish. Most men choose staying away from long term relationships, no cohabitation, no marriage.
The court system has had a massive effect on the growth of MGTOW also has the general overall change in the most basic woman through feminism. Many women here have mentioned radical feminism what they fail to mention is the small changes in all women. Women look at MGTOW and can easily spot what they don’t care for as we all can with other people but not see it in themselves.
It is only radical people that are a problem... including feminists, vegans, mgtow etc. The movements themselves can and often do posses some good values but when someone radicalizes and it becomes their identity and their life and they begin hateful words and actions towards opposing views or even people who don't exactly align with their views, then it is a problem.
If men don't want to pursue women then go for it but don't get hellbent on us paying attention to you going your own way it defeats the purpose of the whole movement.
The same reason why men usually hate more radical feminism than MGTOW.
Those two are gender exclusionary groups, both quite toxic and full of hate. They don't hate individuals for what their individual traits and acts, they hate a whole gender without greyscale. However, even if you disagree with both, it's not the same when you aren't the target of hate, than when you are the hated and the excluded.
That's why men who might dislike MGTOW, dislike more radical feminism, and women who dislike radical feminism might dislike more MGTOW.
I'm a man and I don't like MGTOW. There are guys that are realistically just deciding to focus on themselves and that's great, but there are guys going around kicking hornets nests for no reason making arguments about women and its just pointless. If MGTOW is about going your own way, then why are they so obsessed with others and their WAY. Men going there own way, its more like, men rebranding themselves and complaining that everyone hasn't complimented them yet.
Don't get me wrong I get that sometimes a man has to take the time to find himself and focus on his own path, and MGTOW has those men, but it also has guys who are tip toeing into incel territory who are just mad and want to start arguments. So women probably hate mgtow because they are tired of having arguments about gender with men who are mad and projecting their anger on strangers.
MGTOW refuse to engage with women.
We avoid contact, so far as that is possible, and will not give women access to our resources, beyond what the state extorts from us at gunpoint and then pays to women as welfare.
We do not seek to harm women. We just walk away and let whatever to going to happen take its course.
We do not date. We do not have sex. We do not have relationships. We do not marry.
There is no hate. We simply do nothing. MGTOW is an entirely defensive posture.
For this, women are angry.
For decades women have made it clear that they want men to leave them alone, especially sexually.
When a group of men decide to leave women alone and walk away, women scream and vomit even more hate over us.
This is more evidence that women are born insane.
I personally don’t care if a guy labels himself as such. I do, however, have an issue with the ones who are openly bitter towards all women and go out of their way to generalize and attack women simply for being women. If you don’t want to be in a relationship then don’t, that’s fine. But there’s no reason to be a jerk about it.
( don't hate MGTOW any more than I hate uh... cancer. And i don't think mysogynism is any worse or better than misandry, Rather, I think each is pathological-an abberation of normal. To say or think anything else is to ignore what our bodies are telling us.
It’s not that we have issue with men going their own way. That’s your right and I at least support such an endeavor. But there’s a vocal minority of the mgtow group that are extremely toxic, spiteful and disrespectful. Those are the ones we hate.
because MGTOW is becoming the male version of feminazi's aka Dicknazi's and people attack us for saying stuff just like feminists attack y'all its a mutual hate that you guys share against our feminazi's
We hate your dicknazi's and you hate out feminazi's
I don't hate MGTOW by default or anything. Hate is a strong word, and I know that there's plenty of different guys who want to go their own way. I just think a lot of them come off as very bitter and hateful, and for men going their own way, they sure like to make a ruckus about it. It's as if quietly living your life the way you want to isn't enough, you also have to give a fat middle finger to everyone you feel has ever wronged you. It doesn't really come off as you going your own way, if you constantly have to prove just how much you're going your own way. It's like the bitter ex constantly posting on social media about how fine they're doing and how great their life is, when it's very apparent that they're actually miserable.
Live your life. Date, don't date. It doesn't really affect me. I don't really care about those who just do their own thing.
The better question would be why do MGTOW unconditionally hate all women so much. Because women couldn't care less about MGTOW. It does not affect them at all. MGTOW to women is like splashing water on a ducks body. I can't say the same for the MGTOW, who keep preaching "KILL ALL WOMEN" or "ALL WOMEN ARE EVIL GOLD DIGGING WHORES" or "GET BACK TO THE KITCHEN AND MAKE ME A SAMMICH BITCH".
Those types are best left ignored into oblivion and let them soak up their own bitterness. Because even when attempting to help or make a healthy argument, they'll likely always find a way to win against you. You can't win with them. They're not a teamplayer.
I genuinely feel like men going their own way when they feel that way about women is best for everyone. I don't get when women are upset that men they dislike remove themselves from the dating pool.
It's because the don't actually shut up about women and going their own way. For some reason a lot of 'em like to start fights with women instead of just ignoring us like they say they want to due to being balls deep in misogyny. They're ignoring the "Going" in "Men Going Their Own Way". Honestly, women don't mind if you all go your own way, but keep us out your mouths and thoughts, and stop with the harassment.
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