Why men are hated for being mgtow while we can be feminists?

[Anonymous]

is it a tactic from some women to shame them and isolate them?

[hellionthesagereborn]

Because MGTOW does not benefit women. Prior to feminism and MGTOW women where in fact getting a lot more benefits then men. They got food shelter protection, the same rights for the most part (in some ways much more in a few select catagories slightly less) and none of the responsibilities. This is actually why men where praised because without something to justify them literally sacrificing themselves for the well being of women either through military, police or defending her at the expense of his own life to just working himself to death in a factory or in the fields to provide for her he really didn't get much else. The only things he got where love respect and the chance to reproduce. However feminism came along and attempted to exploit the male and female tendency to cater to women by portraying the few things that women where expected to do (if he is working all day to provide for her why is it wrong to expect her to cook and clean and take care of there children? He can't do it because he is slaving away at work and she is still doing less work then he is. Its not even a fair trade technically because she was still getting more then he was) as oppressive and men being naturally inclined to protect women wanted to do so so they did even if that "protection" was from responsibility and fairness. So feminism allowed for this exploitation but in order to justify its existence they need to find more and more "injustices" for them to fix (and profit from) so it just continued to an absurd level (which is why men are suffering in every category now while we still talk about women as if they are suffering and victims). MGTOW on the other hand completely destroys this mechanism, basically its non participation which means they do not respond to the victim hood/oppression claims made by feminism which in turn means they cannot be manipulated to the benefit of women. Women see men as tools (now this is not really as bad as it initially sounds, technically we all see people in this way at least as a way to benefit us) which isn't so bad except we are no longer, thanks to feminism, seen as both a means and an end within itself, that is we are not useful tools and people any more we are just tools, fully objectified in our current society. MGTOW basically makes us as far as tools go, inaffective. So MGTOW prevents feminist and women in general from using them, if that spreads women are in sever trouble because whether we a like to admit it or not women want mens

[hellionthesagereborn]

resources, its a biological response (again nothing wrong with this, at least no more then a man wanting an attractive woman, its just biology and by extention survival of genes at play). So women need to see male non participation as the enemy and as wrong because it hurts them. The real issue I have with it however is it completely ignores biology, that is we are wired to want to be with each other and society itself needs us to work together. Basically the problem is, as I pointed out before, we are built differently women want a man with status and money and these MGTOW view that as wrong but they don't view there own wanting of a woman who is physically attractive and nurturing and who has low partner count as wrong. Its The same mechanism (biology) at play but they are saying its wrong for women but not wrong for men to have these standards. Part of the reason is, again, feminism has distorted things to such a degree that they have allowed women to be terrible people without

[hellionthesagereborn]

consequence. See society acts like a parent, it shames you when you do wrong and praises you when you do right. What feminism did is shame men for everything but demand that they keep giving as they always had while praising women for everything but telling them not to do anything they use to do. So its become lopsided, there is no give and take. He works and gives his resources to her, she reproduces with him, he provides a home to her she maintains it, he provides food, she cooks it, he protects her she loves him, he gives what he has to give she gives what she has to give, it was a give and take both parties getting what they both needed most. Feminism said this is wrong and that men should keep giving his resources to her, but she should not have to reproduce with him, he provides a house for her, but she should not have to maintain it, he provides food but she should not have to cook it, he provides his protection and loyalty but she does not have to provide him with love.

[hellionthesagereborn]

She isn't here to make him happy, but he very much is. Men would function no differently the difference is men are expendable in the eyes of society ergo they will never be catered to in that way so that's why we see it happening with women but not men.(women are more important when it comes to reproduction, if we have 10 women and 10 men and nine men die we can still have ten offspring but if nine women die instead we can only have one offspring. This means that the man is inherently replacable which is also why men tend to take greater risks and be more ambitious as they are wired to do so in order to prove there worth to a woman/society and to show that they are not replacable. Women are inherently more important from this perspective which is why we go out of our way to protect them even if it ends up being to every ones detriment.). So MGTOW is an extreme response to this but forgets that this is not actually how women are but how many women where conditioned to be and that

[hellionthesagereborn]

if the roles where reversed it would be women going there own way. But that is the major issue why MGTOW is hated by women and also why MGTOW while an understandable response is inherently flawed and will only do more harm to society and men.

[ASmith43]

@hellionthesagereborn - The harm was already done. MGTOW is just the response. Men are rational beings and will take the clear and logical path when presented with nothing but bad choices. MGTOW is the clear and logical path. To use a line from an old movie, "The only winning move is not to play."

[hellionthesagereborn]

@ASmith43 How is that a win? You don't have sex (if your truly MGTOW and not beholden to women you should, logically, not be having sex with women (not to mention the many issues that can come from that (false rape allegations, pregnancy etc.)), you don't get to have children, you die without offspring. Society loses members you exist simply to exist with no real investment in life or anything else so you live day to day and its not particularly filling. Meanwhile the women who are not exploitive get screwed over because men refuse to interact with them, this polarizes the situation pushing good women away from men and good men away from good women thus widening the rift. As I said I understand why they do it, but it is not beneficial on the personal level and its not beneficial on the social level.

[Anonymous]

A lot of it is do to something called the red pill rage. I went through this myself. Society shames men into putting all our efforts into winning female approval, and they don't even warn us of the darker side of female nature. Instead we pretty much get told how women are made of sugar, spice and everything nice. If we fail, then we are assumed to be failures as men. This leaves men vulnerable to women, and when guys learn they have been manipulated to define themselves as men, by doing nothing but seeking female approval, the men naturally have a lot of anger. Those are the guys most active in the MGTOW community, aside from the content producers.

This leads others that don't understand MGTOW to see it as a hate movement instead of understanding that these are guys, that are in a lot of pain. In fact when men suffer from depression it often comes out as anger. It is just how men cope with pain. Sometimes this can last a couple of years.

Then the men enter the red pill blues, where they are no longer angry, but have no purpose or direction. Before their only purpose in life was obtaining the approval of women, and that purpose no longer works for them so they start to seek out new meaning. Then these men tend to start setting new goals, and leading better lives, that don't revolve around winning the approval of women.

I really think the problem is that men while in pain, react with anger, and society not only doesn't want to accept men that show our pain, and can easily paint that anger, as being something, other than the man needing to vent in order to recover and get to a better place emotionally.

MGTOW is also a male only space where we don't need to fear being judged by most of the community, and they don't like women, acting like they are supportive of it. Women can join the MRA's if she wants to support men. MGTOW is a safe place for men, from women.

Women trying to "join MGTOW" would be a bit like a man walking into a support group of women that were raped by men, and him trying to give the women a hug. He would likely not be welcomed into the group of female victims at that point. Men need our safe places, just like women do.

Feminism thrives on false victim hood. So even though MGTOW, wants nothing to do with women, so aren't a threat to women, feminists want to use the red pill rage as proof of the sexism against women that feminists are supposedly fighting against.

[Opinion Owner]

Most of the time, women can shame men into submission, in our society, and I am sure some women are trying to do that to the men in MGTOW. MGTOW supports the men that get shamed, so men learn about these manipulation tactics so we won't fall for them, which is why shaming them doesn't work. That is why we don't let women joint MGTOW. Women infiltrate male spaces, then start manipulating the men, into doing what the women want us to do, because have been raised to strive for female approval. That is why feminists hate all male spaces.

The opposite of feminism isn't MGTOW. The MRA's the the opposite of feminism. They both seek to change laws, and change society. MGTOW is about making changes on a personal level. There is a lot of anger in MGTOW, but MGTOW has nothing to do with changing society like feminism, or the MRA's. The reason why MGTOW is compared to feminism is because it is growing, and feminism is dying, and feminists need an enemy to fight to stay relevant.

[btbc92]

There is a difference between being celibate like I'm celibate, and people who decide to go their own way, but still have casual sex or watching porn or masturbate. If they have no need for a woman, then there is no need for sex or porn or masturbation. That is what I don't get nor seek to understand it because the fact is the fact. That is what I don't agree with it. Neither do I agree with feminism, because if you're a woman, who can really question your ability to be a woman? You don't need to prove you can do better by trying to be somebody your not. The whole idea is hatred either way for the either gender. People needs to look at themselves first before they can talk about what another gender is doing.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I would agree however I think MGTOW is at least understandable, I think its definitley misguided but if you look at the statistics, look at how men are treated by women, society and the legal system its understandable why some one would be fed up with it enough to just want to cut ties with them. But of course we are still animals and we still have our urges so we still want sex we still want some kind of interaction with women but what do you do when you know one of those interations could destroy your life? Its a rather twisted position to be in.

[btbc92]

As I said. If they want celibacy then that is different. But they can't claim how they written all women off and still women. It's either one or the other. But they want an excuse for their wrong doings as well. We're human beings, not animals. And thus knowing between right and wrong we are held to greater regard and accountability than animals. Which are not disregarded but are lower in status from us. Again, I understand the need to not be involved with a woman romantically. But I don't agree with what they do in the meantime of claiming that. That becomes hypocrisy in their statements. Anybody who doesn't do what I deceibed are who I wouldn't consider as part of the group. Just that they don't understand what they are doing and is misinformed due to the fact they want to belong somewhere.

[btbc92]

still want sex* Becuase that desire regardless of urges and temptation would not be their priority nor would they tempt themselves and entertain the idea with masturbation and porn.

[Mrwoo99]

@btbc92 It depends which level of mgtow you are. I'm level 2 mgtow and only reject LTR, marriage and cohabitation. The only reason I would pursue a woman is for sex which is all my body needs.

[cross98]

feminist get the most flack on here. women sometimes go along with the mgtow mantra and actually agree with it. when you say you're a feminist, people you didn't even know will dislike your comment, ask you questions but then want to argue you on your stances but want to call it a "discussion", call you a lesbian, dyke, man hating, selfish, stupid, complainer and etc. people actively make "why i dislike feminism" mytakes but i barely see anti or pro mgtow mytakes. men are probably gonna down vote me or some shit, go ahead. i don't care who you don't fuck, don;t date, don't marry and don't buy stuffs for. i've had hell all my life from men in my life so i guess i gotta go wgtow as well. cut the bullshit...

[Izumiblu]

MGTOW at it's most basic is just a group of guys that have decided on a set of priorities that differ from a perceived norm, whereas feminism is organized activism against a set of perceived norms.

Personally, i think MGTOW is fine, where i view feminism in relation to women in the west as an outdated idea that no longer deserves attention. The day MGTOW becomes an acitivist movement is the day i'll think they're stupid.

[MlleCake]

There are men who have privately decided they don't want to date and get on with life. Then there are MGTOW who vocally trash women. I don't agree with trashing any gender of people. Most feminists don't trash men, just the patriarchy, which is a system, not individual men.

[MlleCake]

And to be clear, I don't hate MGTOW. I am very glad they have taken themselves out of circulation if they hate women so much. There are a lot of men who quite dislike women but still date them. Not sure why.

[Botchie]

"Most feminists don't trash men, just the patriarchy, which is a system, not individual men."
Just out of curiosity, how do you know that most MGTOW don't vocally trash women and we only hear the vocal minority just like the vocal minority of feminists?

[MlleCake]

@Botchie I believe that men who specifically ascribe to the MGTOW concept specifically are fairly anti-woman - like, the ones who follow MGTOW stuff online. I am sure there are many men who have decided they don't like dating, but don't hate women either, just haven't gotten much out of dating.

[Botchie]

@MlleCake That's a fair answer.

[Salohcin22]

@MileCake
I agree what you said about MGTOW being a terrible group, but what you said showed the bias you have for feminism. The same arguments can be used for MRAs and MGTOW

"Then there are Feminists who vocally trash men. I don't agree with trashing any gender of people. Most MRAs don't trash women, just the matriarchy, which is a system, not individual women."

The only thing is MRAs are less sexist than Feminists as The reason MRAs and MGTOWs are separate are because MRAs kicked out the sexist woman-haters while femisnists kept the man-haters and decided using the extra power was worth undercutting their principles.

Patriarchy doesn't exist, some CEOs and people in power / higher ups are still more sexist than girls and there is a gender gap in favor of men for older people, but girls are generally more sexist in the younger generations, and there is a gender pay gap for those younger generations in favor of women.

[MlleCake]

@Salohcin22 Yes, I am biased toward women being seen as fully equal in society and having equal rights. There is no Matriarchy that oppresses men worldwide. Both sides don't deserve equal time if one of them is not based in fact. It's like saying we have to give equal time to people who believe in a Flat Earth or that we're all possessed by aliens. I am sure they passionately and vociferously believe their ideas to be true, but they aren't born out by fact.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Feminist do trash men, you can't state that all men are rapist, that men should be killed in the streets, that they are evil oppressors or that every time a woman has sex with a man no matter if she consented its rape, and not be trashing men. In fact using the term patriarchy itself blames men for everything wrong with the world (ironic since statistically men have always been worse off then women through out all of history and even more so after feminism). You can't say that feminism doesn't trash men when it advocated for laws that took away fathers rights, that pushed for laws that have allowed women to rape without being punished (feminist in many countries have made sure that rape laws stay gender specific despite the fact that data from the CDC (for starters) shows women are about as likely to rape a man as a man is a woman) along with so many other things. Thats trashing men. No amount of rationalizing will alter that fact.

[MlleCake]

@hellionthesagereborn Yes, some feminists do trash men. I don't condone that. Most feminists understand that every man is not a rapist, but rape and sexual abuse is almost exclusively perpetrated by men, and it effects a huge percentage of women on almost a daily basis. Sexual assault on men is every bit as illegal, most places where there are robust sex abuse and rape laws, though it may not be classified as rape, specifically. That definition is evolving most places, largely due to the work of feminists. Most feminists regard forcible sodomy on a man as essentially a form of rape. By discussing a patriarchal system, we are deliberately taking the blame off of individual men, and rather trying to describe a system that is upheld even by women, but that prevents women from achieving full societal equality. I would like you to cite specific laws that specifically target fathers. It is an artifact of patriarchal thinking that women are automatically superior parents to men.

[MlleCake]

@hellionthesagereborn What I keep hearing is right-wing propaganda about feminism, not much in the way of fact related to specific feminist actions. Yes, there are women who hate and resent men a great deal, but they are not a huge percentage of feminists, and mainstream feminists have spent a lot of time helping them see that there are reasons not to hate or blame "all men".

[Salohcin22]

@MileCake
Another Problem I have with feminism is that it takes words and warps their meaning. First off, there is no conspiracy organization of men talking to each other about how they can keep women down. You could have a good argument for Republicans in the whitehouse, but it doesn't exist like some illuminati that is all-powerful. We did used to have a patriarchy when women couldn't vote and when All items were only passed down to the men in the family, but when women got equal rights and Equal pay, it stopped being a patriarchy. The problem is that Feminists in general condone the sexism. It's allowed when it shouldn't be tolerated. Also gay rape may be starting to be changed, but the definition of women raping men will not be changed, and false rape accusations will take a while before they are punished. There are several problems such as alimony after everything is split 50/50, which is part of why Robin Williams committed suicide, etc.

[MlleCake]

@Salohcin22 1. Who ever said there was? 2. Women still suffer civil rights violations in the US daily. In many ways we are equal under the law now, true, but we are still not treated equally. 3. If feminists must contain and prevent our extremists from speaking, so must men of their extremists.

[hellionthesagereborn]

no, again its most feminist. As for rape, again no that does not affect only women women perpetrate it frequently its just that women are never punished for it. For instance Amy Schumer admitted in front of an audience (of women mostly) that she raped a man, he was blacked out drunk didn't know what was going on (by her admission) and didn't even seem aware she was there. She then mocked him in front of this audience and stated that this is how she got her confidence. Meanwhile if a man bragged about having sex with a blacked out drunk girl what happens? He is ripped apart by media and society, in fact one college kid had sex with a girl who was blacked out drunk who had consented before she blacked out while he was also nearly blacked out drunk and when he was put in jail for six months people screamed that it was not long enough nor sever enough punishment. Amy schumer mean while was applauded for her "bravery". In fact according to the CDC men are raped by women at almost the

[hellionthesagereborn]

same rates: www.usatoday.com/.../
So that is also untrue. As for your claims of "patriarchal system" if you are removing the blame from individual men then assigning it to all men as a whole then you are by extention blaming individual men. Further more there is no evidence of a patriarchal society but plenty of evidence of a gynocentric society hence men being 75% of all suicides, 80% of the homeless, 98% of combat deaths (historically 100% due to forced conscription that only applied to men) More then half of domestic violence victims (according to the CDC: www.saveservices.org/.../ ) are again almost as likely to be raped yet by law up until 2013 it was perfectly legal to rape a man and currently with the definition of rape we have women are still excluded as it requires "penetration" which women can't do to men. Men also make up 97% of all workplace accidents and deaths, are more likely to suffer from substance abuse are less likely to get custody of children

[hellionthesagereborn]

pay child support/alimony 80% of the time while women initate divorce 80% of the time. Men are also subject to paternity fraud which is perfectly legal in the western world. They have no reproductive rights, in fact thanks to a court ruling (hermsmann vs seyer) a woman can sue a man for child support irregardless of the circumstances of the pregnancy (in this case it was a 12 year old boy who was raped by his babysitter who was forced to pay child support). Men in fact pay almost 200x more in taxes then women (lifetime) despite women spending the majority of that. In fact 80% of US domestic spending is done by women (70% globally) yet men are responsible for the majority of domestic and global earnings. We have laws that ensure that women are not punished for domestic violence and that men are always seen as the perpetrator (violence against women act) and women get only a third of the sentencing for the same crimes

[hellionthesagereborn]

commited by men all of which is used as evidence for women being less likely to commit crimes (which is in fact wrong, as shown, its simply women are significantly less likely to be punished for there crimes then men are) which is also probably why 90% of all rapes that occurred within juvenile detention centers are commited by women (using threats of violence or even threatening to accuse these boys of rape which of course is far more potent a threat as no one believes women are capable of raping a man so he will not be believed). Then you have this claim that women are not equal even though they have more rights then men do. This is not evidence of a patriarchy, not one law favors men over women, a significant number of laws favor women over men though. So essentially your saying its mens fault even as women benefit and men suffer but some how women are still suffering more then men even though there is no evidence for it.

[hellionthesagereborn]

This is fact, whether or not you choose to believe it is up to you, but this is what is wrong with society. Women have been better off then men from the beginning but at least there where benefits for men, there are none know and so we have this, where women blame men for everything, again you cannot say all men (patriarchy) but then not state all men even as men are more likely to suffer (hell even when it comes to medical spending womens diseases get three to five times the spending both in private and public sectors then male diseases). Again this is fact. Some are laws some are just biases which feminist play to, either way feminism is not beneficial and it is wrong.

[Mrwoo99]

Mgtow trash feminism... not women.

[madhatters4]

tons of people hate feminists don't have to look further than this site to see that. shouldn't be that way. people should be able to pursue or believe in the lifestyle as long as it doesn't negatively affect others

[OlderAndWiser]

Plenty of people hate feminists, too, so what's your point?

[JimRSmith]

I don't think either group is especially aspirational, tbh.

[GraveTruth]

No, Women ARE hated for being feminists because it's totally stupid. It doesn't even make sense. It's basically like saying "I don't want equal rights. I just want everything for real".

People hate the guys for mgtow because they are F-ING right. Women are shallow and hell. ALL of them. It's not rare a womans entire marriage or long term relationship is based on a height requirment or something stupid like that.

Women hate mgtow men because they are a threat of reality.

And you know what. If there was a life like woman robot that could have a decent conversation by loyal then all of those "guys are too nice" "guys need to do this" "this is the right type of guy" "Mistakes guy makes" will go out the window. Feminists will be non existent and women will have to actually put in effort to value themselves in a relationship. Not just turn totally fat and lazy and then get mad and demand that men should prefer fat women. Not devalue men by emasculating then through baby driven tests then losing respect for their compliance of learning how to cook and do the dishes.

[Mrwoo99]

Women hate me because I'd rather spend my money on high end escorts than spend it on them lol. I went mgtow a year ago which is basically walking away from marriage/commitment/cohabitation/LTR.

Ever since then I labeled myself mgtow all i get now from women is:
Loser
Freak
Gay
Ugly
can't get a girlfriend
Misogynist
Sad bastard
Loner
You can't handle a strong woman
Pathetic
I'm not a man lol
Bitter (yes kind of because of why i have to go mgtow)

All that abuse from women i get just because I'm stating that I want to refuse relationships and go my own way!

[cth96190]

The abuse and hate that we receive from the members of the female collective shows MGTOW how correct our decision was and increases our resolve.
Women spas out when they realise that their vagina does not have power over us and that they will never be able to plunder our resources.
Women can do anything, they say.
Okay. Bugger off and do it for yourself.

[Dargil]

I'm not thinking "hated" because hate is a form of recognition... even respect. "I HATE Hitler because of all the evil he did." It is more like contempt for men who believe that the predominant benefit of Western women (easy pussy), most being infected with some degree of Feminist Derangement Syndrome, are not worth the effort, expense and risk. Feminists believe Feminism is "right" and should be accepted as such and that MGTOW is a wrongful retreat, like tax evasion. "The more I date Western women, the more I like my right hand!" Actually, the cure for Feminist Derangement Syndrome is foreign born Latina and Oriental women... and they cook good too!!!

[MagiAlphaOne]

To be accurate, Men who declare that they are MGTOW have come out of horrible Divorces and long term relationships. The Divorce Court System in the U. S. favors Women heavily and has driven Men to Suicide, Homelessness and Jail.

Those that survive their Divorce Court experience have experienced so much trauma that they choose to no longer date Women. Most MGTOW are grown Men. The typical MGTOW is in his 30s. Some are in their 70s.

Some MGTOW have revealed their faces on their Youtube Channel. Check out Vention1mgtow, Shay Duke Jackson, Terrence Popp and Jerry Liu. As you can see, varying ages and backgrounds.

I invite everyone to watch Terrence Popp's video. Terrence is a divorced combat veteran... and MGTOW.

https://youtu.be/CT4MEyJnemg

[Porch]

@MagiAlphaOne
How does the court favor women over men? I don't see how.

[MagiAlphaOne]

@Porch This is how Divorce Courts favor Women. Watch this video. It is the WORST divorce story I have ever come across!

https://youtu.be/6AYIr5qhyOw

[MagiAlphaOne]

@Porch And here is Dave Foley's Divorce. At 11:55, Dave talks about his experience with the Canadian Courts. Canadian Men routinely commit suicide during their divorces.

https://youtu.be/SaC-2lj6HNg?t=11m55s

[Porch]

@MagiAlphaOne
I ain't watching videos. If you can't explain it yourself, that's your problem.

[MagiAlphaOne]

@Porch Thank you sir for your kind response. You truly are an example of "casting pearls before swine".

... You'll have to look that up yourself.

[Porch]

@MagiAlphaOne
All I asked was to provide the case. Not shirt tail videos from others but okay.

[KeiranByrne]

One surprising thing I've learned on GaG is how badly so many females need to be the centre of their SO's universe. This has nothing to do with feminism but It is the root of much conflict. Men might not put a name to it but all gtow to an extent. We masturbate. We'll hang with the guys. We'll girl-watch and even flirt. We'll crush on flighty boob-a-licious celebrity flibbertigibbets, we'll spend too much time at the office, we take time to pursue our hobbies, listen to our own music. Speaking of which this relates to the very annoying first thing so many women do on entering a room - they turn down the volume! .
With this as almost a driving force it cannot possibly be a surprise that women absolutely hate when som guys loudly and firmly assert their independence. All they're doing is put a name to standard male operating procedure.
As you point out each gender is saying to the other 'you don't own me.'

[AleDeEurope]

Both are whiny losers, but considering how men tend to be treated worse, they're obviously gonna be judged harsher when it comes to this type of thing.
Feminism is seen as liberating and empowering. MGTOW is seen as misogynistic. But like I said, they're both losers.

[cth96190]

Whiny losers?
You do not understand MGTOW.
Let me know if you maintain that view after you have been arse raped by a divorce court, or accused falsely of rape, or sexual harassment.

[AleDeEurope]

@cth96190 Ok, I'll hit you up when that happens :)

[Porch]

@cth96190
How do courts rape men?

[redonkulas12]

@Porch divorce rape? well lets see 1/2 for child support 1/3 alimony and jail if you can't pay. loss of licence if you can't pay and jail. then when its gone on long enough felony jail and your bunk mates are murders, robbers and rapists. www.redonkulas.com

[fumblingthroughlife]

Essentially, feminism itself is a great movement, but far too many people take the ideology and twist it into an excuse to be nasty to men while having the 'greater good' as a shield. That being said, the movement does more good than harm, so the problem children of modern feminism can be ignored.
MGTOW though, doesn't seem like it does much good at all and rather seems like an excuse in itself to be an arsehole to women.
Modern feminism has grown to incorporate the fight against many problems that face men, and is only called feminism because that is the moniker that it has grown under and is recognised as (plus equalism sounds stupid).
In the end, an organisation should be judged upon its ideals and the actions of the majority of its members, and upon this way of judging, MGTOW should be judged poorly and feminism should be regarded with respect.

[Topkek]

Spotted the mangina.

[Salohcin22]

"Essentially, the Men's Rights Movement itself is a great movement, but far too many people take the ideology and twist it into an excuse to be nasty to women while having the 'greater good' as a shield. That being said, the movement does more good than harm, so the problem children of Men's Rights Movement can be ignored.
Feminism though, doesn't seem like it does much good at all and rather seems like an excuse in itself to be an arsehole to men.
Men's Rights Movement has grown to incorporate the fight against many problems that face men, and is only called Men's Rights Movement because that is the moniker that it has grown under and is recognised as (plus equalism sounds stupid).
In the end, an organisation should be judged upon its ideals and the actions of the majority of its members, and upon this way of judging, Feminism should be judged poorly and Men's Right's Movement should be regarded with respect."

Right Back at you bud.

[Salohcin22]

The Only Difference is That This parallel technically doesn't work since The Men's Rights Movement didn't compromise their values and Allow Sexists or woman-haters to join their group, which is why MGTOW started, so it would be more appropriate to replace feminism with MGTOW and MRM if they somehow were combined.

Honestly a lot of those comments would be used with MGTOW more than MRM, since MGTOW uses the same argument of "That being said, MGTOW does more good than harm, so the problem children of modern MGTOW can be ignored. "

is also used by MGTOW and was also used (in a more extreme way) by germany in the second world war. You can never compromise the means to get the ends.

I'd say most feminists are sexist, especially from the grass roots. The Feminist classes are pretty Sexist, my local University in Texas Feminist group is extremely sexist and spews man-hating comments and poems on their Facebook, and the Gender classes and degree is sexist as well.

[Mrwoo99]

You have been nominated for the grand academy award for the biggest 'mangina' in worlds history. Feminists will be proud to now adopt you as a pet for their toxic ideology.

[hellionthesagereborn]

No feminism has not done any good and in fact has caused significant harm to society. The only reason why people keep claiming its done good is because feminist keep telling them that. What is one thing that feminist did that was good? Did they give women the right to vote? No, in fact if anything they hampered it. Men didn't get the right to vote until 67 years before women and that was only because they where conscripted into the military (among other things) against there will and thus where contributing to the running of the soceity. Women did not wish to do that and thus actually slowed down the attempted by suffragist (who where not feminist, feminist where the suffragettes) to get them the right to vote. Meanwhile feminist where commiting arson and attempting to use racism to get the right to vote for white middle class women (they didn't care about any one else). Feminism meanwhile created bias laws that destroyed families. What has MGTOW done to any one?

[redonkulas12]

pound sand up your ass, www.redonkulas.com

[Kuraj]

Because some women are afraid of losing the position they have over men and some men are afraid to admit that they are really just a bunch of losers letting themselves be manipulated by a system that doesn't have the tiniest shred of respect for them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Anonymous]

I don't agree that MGTOW get necessarily more hate for what they are than feminists. It all depends on how extreme your opinions as an activist are. A "feminist" who says she hates all men will get the same reaction as a MGTOW will when he says he hates all women. Unfortunately, in both groups the more extreme, unrealistic and hateful views get more attention than the moderate ones, which gives both groups a certain reputation.

[FatherJack]

Not a MGTOW , but my situation will keep me single , a FT working single dad , I am well aware my " market value " will be low , this fact , plus I am normally too tired & often stressed to even want to date. I answer to the question , yes it is a " shaming tactic " , it's open season on men anyway.

[Mr-Kabuki]

MGTOW is the bastard child of third wave feminism. The whole Red pill community used to just be about personal development for men with stuff like learning how to be disciplined, weight lifting, how to be a more attractive guy, and then it just became a woman hating group.

[cth96190]

You do not understand MGTOW.

[Mrwoo99]

I do not hate women 100% fully. I only hate women internally or what's beneath them but still love a woman's body. Although that's just about it though, the rest of the female anatomy I could say i hate.

[Mrwoo99]

If you can transcript what I'm saying... Mr-Kabuki!

[Mr-Kabuki]

@Mrwoo99 what?

[LovemesomeBumbleBee]

Betas gonna betas. Always simps who will fall on their own sword for women.

[Mrwoo99]

@Mr-Kabuki "I do not hate women 100% fully. I only hate women internally or what's beneath them but still love a woman's body. Although that's just about it though, the rest of the female anatomy I could say i hate."

If you know what I mean.

[Mr-Kabuki]

@Mrwoo99 before mgtow were you a "nice guy"?

[cth96190]

@Mrwoo99
"... a beautiful temple above a sewer."
I like that. 👍
Those words describe my unhappy experiences.

[Mr-Kabuki]

@Mrwoo99 ok but what about all the happy couples that actually last? What's the secret?

[Anonymous]

Because men are the foot stools of society and whose entire purpose is to serve and protect women. If men stop doing that then society collapse. Men have always been expendable in society, just look at wars.

[itsallover]

Men CREATED the wars, what are you talking about?

[CasaNorba]

wow a girl who actually understands MGTOW, this sounds too good to be true!

anyways the reason why we get more hate is obviously because we hit modern women where it hurts them the most. I can write a whole book on this but for now I'm gonna keep it simple. if you are still curious and want more answer just let me know and I'll respond as soon as I can

[ShaunaM95]

Tbh I think both groups are awful and their original intentions have been seriously taken too far.

[Anonymous]

MGTOW is the mirror image of modern feminism. It exists as a natural and unavoidable reaction to modern feminism. When a group is as ugly and nasty as feminism and does what feminism has been doing to males for years, is it any wonder why many males will respond with an equal degree of ugliness and nastiness? And when they do, is it any wonder that feminists will hate them even more than they do the general male population?

[Nightinggale]

MGTOWs are hated only out of fear and ignorance. If a man chooses to not marry and not even date or associate with women, that's his choice and no one else's god damn business.

[Salohcin22]

While I agree with you that a section of MGTOW is that, They are not only hated out of fear and ignorance. I hate them because they don't police their own sexist members and have devolved into the same thing Feminism is. Yes not ALL MGTOW/Feminists are sexist, and only a section are, and yes, MGTOW/Feminism didn't start for man/woman hating, but they silently support it by not vetting or kicking out people that are sexist and allowing them to still be in the movement.

[Nightinggale]

I am only responsible for my actions, the same goes for everyone else. If someone wants to claim to be a feminist/MGTOW and be sexist it isn't my job to police them.

[redonkulas12]

@Salohcin22 not my job cucksicle manjina bitchbrain, I control myself not accountable for others www.redonkulas.com

[Dudeman1234]

Feminist still have normal relationships with the opposite gender whereas MGTOW is group of losers that have given up getting laid, dating, and getting married to women as a whole. MGTOW is sad when you think about it.

[hellionthesagereborn]

No, most MGTOWs still have sex, they simply saw that the system is rigged against them and chose to opt out so that they cannot be exploited. When a man can have his child taken away from him simply because a woman says so, have everything he worked for taken away on her whim, be put in prison if she so much as accuses him of harming her regardless of whether or not this is the reality or assault and harm him and not suffer any punishment, its kind of hard to claim that any man not wanting to have that happen is a loser. I don't agree with MGTOW but there issues with our system are legitamant.