Feminism aims to get rid of women being ostracized for speaking up and being called a bitch in the workplace. So I'm not sure why you think feminism refuses "to see that".
A wise lady 😊
and is the head over a woman*feel that they have no control over their lives*
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I gotta stop you for a sec though. Mansplainning is a thing and i find it really annoying when my friends do it to my wife. When a man thinks that he is an authority on a subject without any reasonable expectation that he should be, i can't help but think he is actung that way because of an ingrained gender bias. My friends never do it to me, and my wife is demonstrably smarter than I am. Book smarter, street smarter, emotionally smarter.Not that mansplainning is such a social evil that it needs a movement against it, but lets also not pretend that it doesn't exsist and that it doesn't highlight some leftover gender issues that our society needs to work on.
Well when it becomes ridiculous it stops being about equality and starts to become like every other left wing movement. Just like BLM or LGBT these people claim that they are being held down by someone to stir up nonsense and attention.
@the_mad_tinkerer I see what you're saying, but I've encountered women who do that as well and yet it never gets called out and certainly doesn't get attributed to their entire gender. Surely its more rational to just view it as a dick move since men and women both do it and since we don't always know the underlying motivations behind the behaviour, we can't just assume that its to do with a gender bias
@the_mad_tinkerer this way if thinking is why Feminism is not about equality and is about bigotry at best and hate at worst. Everything you just said has nothing to do with gender, yet you paint it as such. The only explanations for this are ignorance or evil and at this point in the "societal debate" ignorance is getting pretty damn hard to claim.
@the_mad_tinkerer This is just complete nonsense. Any rational person will determine how much knowledge someone has based on speaking to them and will react accordingly. It would have be interesting if you'd actually provided more context with regards to your friends' alleged 'mansplaining' (e. g what the conversation topic was). Any man who seriously thinks he's automatically more knowledgeable on any subject just because he's a man is a deadset idiot. Would he go up to a female astrophysicist and attempt to lecture her despite knowing jack shit?Normal reasonable people don't act like this. So if this is genuinely something that your friends are doing, then it is not a factor of 'gender', rather it says a lot about the type of people your friends are and you as well, for choosing them as friends.
@the_mad_tinkerer Bro, I love you already.
@the_mad_tinkerer ironic considering that your comment can easily be called out as mansplaining simple because there are women in this conversation. Seriously though, mansplaining is not a thing, all it boils down to is one person condescendingly explaining (often incorrectly) something to another, gender is just added in to give feminists a reason to complain.
At sign everyone, I guess. All of you sound so defensive, it makes it hard to believe you put any serious thought into it. I'm not going to engage, but I'll throw this out there to explain why you didn't convince me: most of these arguements rely on "it sucks that it happens, but women do it to men too". So, what exactely is your problem with women asking men not to do it? All of your denials and defensiveness point to you not taking an issue that women have raised as serious. Why not? Could it be that you have no respect for them? Could it be you telling women that "akshually, this thing that you've experienced and I haven't isn't real. So stop filling your pretty head with nonsense."? Could it be that you're defensive because you have no emotional empathy, just a gut reaction that anything that could tie any part of your identity to something negative is obviously wrong? You guys are so full of shit, i feel like wiping my shoes off after this conversation.
@the_mad_tinkerer No, it's because you're attempting to make a gender issue out of something that is not a gender issue. You've been shut down by everyone here. Take your whiteknight feminist ass elsewhere.
White knighting for who? There aren't any women in this conversation. You need to recognize your own bias. Bread mold is more self aware than you.
7. Feminists want the right to sleep with hundreds of men & not to be thought of as ‘sluts’. The fact is that no matter what we call it, men who are the most desirable for relationships believe the marketplace value of these women is LOW. Feminism is a factory producing women with low value in traditional relationships. Now feminists would tend to say that traditional doesn’t matter but I think they’re wrong. You can sleep around all you want but don’t come crying when you want to settle down
Well... someone’s very passionate about this haha
@Nicolette777 Passionate and correct ;)
I think FGM should be legal as long as MGM is still legal. For equality.
Also we shouldn't be forced to give aid to other countries. Let the free market decide what regions are worth investing in... otherwise you're just forcing everyone to make a bad investment.
@mateynine As long as men want to circumcise their male infants, it’s going to keep happening.
@BreakingSound Ah yeah, fair enough. It's just men circumcising their male infants. There's no such thing as mothers, they don't exist and have no responsibility. Makes sense.
@Kkaos It wasn’t women who decided mutilating dicks would be a swell thing to do. Dunno why you’re blaming us for your bullshit.
@BreakingSound "Your bullshit". Yep, that's what I thought. I gathered you were a sexist by your first comment and now you've just come back to confirm it. Apparently because I'm a guy, I'm automatically responsible for what other men do. No where did I explicitly blame women. You're the only one who wants single out genders. You implied only fathers have a hand in their son's circumcision. I simply pointed out that mother's also have equal responsibility for their child's welfare.
@Kkaos I’m not sexist for pointing out sexist bullshit, dude. Circumcision male or female, originated in heavily patriarchal societies where women were literally property, and you and this other dude can fuck right off with your false equivalency bullshit.
@BreakingSound You're absolutely right. There are still a bunch of retarded men out there who think cutting infant's dicks off is an okay thing to do.Also, here's some news... lately they've been looking into undoing the federal ban on FGM for religious reasons because it's unconstitutional. They dropped charges on doctors who practiced FGM in the state of Michigan.www.nytimes.com/.../...genital-mutilation-law.html
@BreakingSound Lol. I'm not talking about who the first person was to do it or what society was like back then. All I've done is point out that mother's and father's are both responsible in today's society. Not only that, but I'll also add that many studies show a trend in women preferring circumcision, both in their chosen sexual partner and their children. But again, let's ignore all that and just put the blame on fathers and me as well, because I'm a guy (even though I don't support it but let's just ignore that). Yep, you're not sexist at all :)
@Kkaos Well that's also just based on what's popular. Girls prefer whatever the norm is. Circumcision is seen as weird in Europe.
@mateynine Yeah, you're right.
All hail NearlyNapping!
Most women are feminist because Beyoncé said she was a feminist
Ahaha true. Beyoncé is a respectful and respectable feminist though 💓
No one should be a feminist, that’s like advocating for female supremacy
I know this is an unpopular opinion but I think it’s stupid to try and make women the same as men. Yes, they should have equal rights but men and women are different. There is stuff men can’t do but women can and nobody is protesting against that
It’s sad that we live in world where say men and women are different is wrong. But then again the world at one point thought it was ok to kill all Jews and that black people weren’t humans and that witches should be burn alive. So I guess we shouldn’t be surprised
Your brother is an idiot if he really believes women have not built anything. The first solar house was literally designed and built by three women in the 1940's.
@Shuri he would probably say something like that's a small addition to everything else men have built
Your brother is cherry picking information to support his views. I'm no fan of third wave feminism but I do think we've made great strides for equality since the 1950s. It just seems 2010 onward feminism has been doing more harm than good for relations between the sexes. At least in perspective it has.
@SentientBrick the 1950s was far better. Women today aren't worth marrying. You can have sex and kids with many women not just one. You dont even have to earn an income to support a family. There are literally no requirements for men any more. And its because there are no women worth a damn to bother being a decent man for. So yeah i agree we made great strides in equality but at the expense of women because now they are not valued anymore. And it makes men depressed and bitter because men want to be responsible and have good families but its a losing proposition these days.
Why men have a problem with women want to work and have a career? You can be a good wife and also can go out and work. Sorry but being housewife is fucking borimg and is not a life
@shinka1y234 most women are not capable of having a career and being a decent mom.
In the most of the cases husband dont support his wife when she wants to have a career.
That is why it is difficult to have a career for a woman.
@bamesjond0069 Plenty of women are good wife material now days. You could have sex and kids with many women in the 1950s as well it was just more frowned upon. You need money to actually support a family period. What were the "requirements" in the 1950s how are they diffrent to the average man now days? I'd argue women are still highly valued it just that men are not as valued or respected as they were in the 1950s (thanks 3rd wave feminism). I do agree mens loss of purpous and sense responsibility has resulted in a terrible increase in depression and suicide. I'm at a loss as to how we fix such a problem. The media and SJWs seem to revel in or at least not care about this issue. They also seem quite effective in supressing or stopping any changes that might help men who are struggling.
@SentientBrick you could then sure but today its completely accepted and normal. Also many many women would not tolerate that sort of men. Today almost nobody waits till marriage when that was still maybe not a majority even in the 50s it was common and idealized. Today its celebrated for a woman to have slept with 50 men and have 3 kids with 3 different men.
@shinka1y234 like i said. Most men dont value it. You should stay single and be a cat lady if you dont want to offer anything of value to men.
I think its good sometimes to step back and realize how diffrent what the media and Hollywood try to rationalize as normal and what the average person thinks is normal. Id argue that most people don't think a "50 person body count" and having kids with different fathers is healthy or normal despite what the media says. I do agree sex before marriage is much more common now days and it does have some negitive effects. Though I cannot place blame on feminism exclusively : contraceptives, sex education and porn are much more wide spread now days. Making people baving sex safer, better educated, and more common.
@bamesjond006 wtf is your problem. Why can't a man stay at home and care for childreen. Why is always expected from women? Sorry but a man should not call himself a father if he can't care for childreen.
And wtf do you value if you can't care for yoursef and expect from a woman to cook, to clean the house and care for childreen. These days many women work. So that is why a man have to do housechores, cook etc. do. I dont want someone lazy
@shinka1y234 well im not a lazy load like most men. I earn in the top 1% of income. I dont need a sugar mama to bring home a check. A woman paycheck has no meaning to me will not help me in any way at all. Its completely irrelevant.
@bamesjond0069 So... according to you, men who stay home and care for kids are lazy. So wouldn't that then make a woman lazy if that's what she does? How does having a vagina not make you lazy but a penis does?
@Shuri no i dont think its lazy. But you know men can't birth children and most women are naturally inclined to do caring and home activities and most men are naturally inclined to be emotionally detached dealing with the external world so that they can do whatever is necessary to support their family. Hey if a girl can pull in 6 figures and can find a good house husband sure that would be just fine. This almost never happens in real life though for various reasons. It is not functional to have two career people and no caring house maker nor is it functional to have two home makers and nobody to pay the bills.
What feminist advocates for female education? All feminists do is whine and make up shit to make men look awful, just like you just made shit up to portray how men are bad people who hate their daughters.Maybe your father hates you but I can assure you most men love their daughters and want the best for them. Maybe it's just a Bengali thing?And your profile says you're in a relationship? I'm assuming you're a lesbian in a relationship with a woman? I mean it makes sense because why would you be with a man when men are so awful and make your lives miserable and would never send your daughter to school.What a god awful joke.
@ThisGuyDucks read some history you'll know what I mean 😊
I'm familiar with history and I know enough to say you're an idiot who hates men.
Bitter much? There have been and are male feminists. Ultimately men have women what they wanted. Just not in your region yet.
Men gave women what they wanted*
@ThisGuyDucks nah you still lack knowledge on global history.
@Unit1 I'm just being honest! Men never ever welcomed any idea of women empowerment ever. World War may have changed a few things but even today men are too intimidated by women and scared of losing their control over women.
You are uneducated I see. Don't worry however. You can always simply believe whatever you want to believe.
@Unit1 so wait wait wait. I'm ignorant because YOU don't know glob history?Ggwp
@Unit1 do some fucking research on history of female education in the Indian Subcontinent before throwing remarks at me. Then come back and tell me who was wrong.
I did.You consider joining the hardcore feminists. I'm sure they'll welcome you and you will have a lot to talk about.
Ah I get it now! There have never been or will ever be any men who advocate or support women rights. I'm learning so much right now.
@SentientBrick yeah, cuz ALL MEN ARE EVIL And we all want to stomp on every woman we cross paths with with our titanic schlong!!! 😈
@Unit1 Ah aheh... Sarcasm is fun...
Women shouldn't be educated or vote. See what happens? The slippery slope has come true. Give an inch and they take a mile. How did we go from reading and voting to manspreading and common divorce? Well i can tell you how. Its womens nature to destroy and they are not capable of leading unchecked they will always go off the deep end.
@SentientBrick right? One gotta have to lighten up no matter what. Especially when it's about untrue claims.
Untrue claims? Which ones?
All of em right?
@SentientBrick like men never welcoming feminism. When afterwards they got what they wanted in the first world countries. Or there weren't any male feminists.
@bamesjond0069 you are sexist and dont generalize. By your logic all men started wars and destroy the world
[continued...]But I think a lot of feminist doctrine has becoming misguided in recent years. For some feminists, it seems equality wasn't enough, and now they want forced 50/50 equity across all strata of the workplace, in politics, and in society.There are other issues with modern feminism-- which I've already spilled ink over on previous GaG posts so I won't get into them here.So again, the question is "what has modern feminism done to bring modern men into the fold?" If you have a social or political cause you believe in, then the burden of proof is on you alone. You have to convince us of the value of your cause. Not the other way around. It's like if I wanted you to turn vegan, I wouldn't come on GaG and be like "why do so many meat eaters hate veganism?" And then list answers like "they hate animals and want them to suffer". I'd talk about how veganism improves my health, and how it might improve yours too. I'd talk about the reduced dependence on the meat industry, and how being a more informed consumer can make you feel more independent.
Oh and also, I have yet to meet a single feminist who can rationally explain to me the value of her position. I even posted in the r/feminism sub-reddit asking for a discussion with non-extreme feminists about what it is they do, and in response I got crickets. And yet every third post on that page is something bashing menor playing a victim role and it gets like 2k upvotes. I'm sure there are sensible feminists who want equality for both women AND men, but we just don't hear their voices. All we hear from are the 3rd/4th wave headcases who wanna spread victimhood and misandry. It doesn't make for a very compelling case of feminism's merits when that's all we're presented.
Well you dont understand mens perspective at all. Women who dont behave in a more traditional way are 100% worthless to men. So its fine if you want men to think you have no value but then of course when men treat you like just another man, y'all bitch and moan about boo hoo he didn't call me back after sex or he didn't treat me like a lady. Hint its because you aren't a lady and men who do that dont value you.
@bamesjond0069 lol😂 you alright there bud?
"They’re just fine without men"How are they telling us they don't need men when they are constantly promoting having sex with many men?
You're right. A true feminist would know and fight for it. And I do see plenty of feminists fighting for men's emotional rights.