
Why do so many men hate feminism?


Because it fails to do what people claim it does. People argue that feminism is for equality but men and women are already equal. In terms of political freedoms and legal rights men and women are equal and in many cases women have MORE rights than men, i. e. favoritism in child-custody cases, a woman's say over a man's in any given abortion, rape accusations etc. (I won't make any claims as to whether these are good or bad things so continue believing whatever you intend to believe regarding them).
The major problem isn't that we're not equal, it's that we're DIFFERENT. Men and women are NOT the same no matter how much people try to claim otherwise. We have significant biological differences that we can't and shouldn't be trying to change OR ignore. Men are better than women at some things and women are better than men at other things. This poses a problem since those differences demand that we treat each others in different ways.
Showing respect means something different to a man than it does to a woman simply because men and women consider DIFFERENT things to be respectful. For example, girls instinctively feel as though people aren't listening to them if they aren't looking at them while talking. This isn't so much an issue for guys, thus, in order for a guy to communicate the same amount of respect to a woman as he would another man, he must actually put in greater effort. In order to show EQUAL respect to a woman or a man, one must show respect in different ways. This applies to many things. Men and women prioritize differently, compartmentalize differently, make decisions through fundamentally different motivations that are influenced by biology, etc etc.
Feminism as a fight for equality is not needed since, in every way in which government can influence the situation, men and women are, in fact, equals. It tries to address a problem without knowing the true root of the problem. That root again being that men and women are very different from each other. I genuinely consider women to be equal to men but I don't think we're the exact same. I think if we try to reach some point where we all treat each other the exact same we're being foolish since I believe that would be insensitive to the different weaknesses of both men and women AND would prevent us from developing our biological gifts as men and women.
Geez. I wonder why that could be. Maybe let's hear what actual feminists with influence and power had to say.
“I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honourable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.” ~Robin Morgan
“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” ~Andrea Dworkin
“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” ~Susan Brownmiller
“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” ~Sally Miller Gearhart
"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.” ~Barbara Jordan
“Compare victims’ reports of rape with women’s reports of sex. They look a lot alike….[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it.” ~Catherine MacKinnon
"As far as I’m concerned, men are the product of a damanged gene." ~Germaine Greer
“The nuclear family must be destroyed, and people must find better ways of living together…. Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process…. No woman should have to deny herself any opportunities because of her special responsibilities to her children… Families will be finally destroyed only when a revolutionary social and economic organization permits people’s needs for love and security to be met in ways that do not impose divisions of labor, or any external roles, at all.”
~Linda Gordon
“Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can ‘reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.’ Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, ‘even if she does not feel forced.’
~Judith Levine
Because feminism largely states that forces outside of women's forces are responsible for "inequality" (which may or may not exist) when it's mostly due to how women behave with each other. It's refuses to look at a woman's responsibility as a cause of said "inequalities."
Women largely value herd mentality/being same, not to imposing and putting other women (who are often ahead of the game down). Competition is considered bad.
Men on the other hand, befriend other men who are "better". They welcome competition and focus more of their energy on problem solving and improving themselves then tearing each other down. When you have one gender that focuses on problem solving and welcomes competition and another gender that values herd mentality and tear each other down, the other gender is going to be better.
In addition, men sound more confident ("I will solve that problem for you or you get your money back or We should do this...) vs a woman (I will do my best to get that done for you or I think we should...). Women are trained to soften their language from an early age to soften their language so that they don't sound "snobby". And this isn't from men, but from other women. Women are also at times, afraid or discouraged from improving themselves due to pressures from their friends or fear of being ostracized.
In all, women are largely responsible for said "inequality" and feminists (at least the ones of social media) refuse to see that.
Feminism aims to get rid of women being ostracized for speaking up and being called a bitch in the workplace. So I'm not sure why you think feminism refuses "to see that".
As a woman I dislike feminism. And I can safely agree with a lot of men on this situation. Feminism has taught women that they don't need to respect their husbands, other male figures that has Authority in his head over their lives. Many of them see patriarchy as an enemy and then call it misogyny. It has got women to be out of the home, instead of having their place in the home. The whole agenda was about having a takeover and to destroy the natural order of man and humans as a whole. There is a reason why God has said that man is a head of a woman, and for those reasons that's what women really hate. They hate the fact that they feel that they have no control over it is truly understandable for the way how a lot of men treated females. You sadly have a lot of people in other countries that believe that a woman is beneath a man like she's dirt or that she's only good for sex and bearing children. All these things can easily have been fixed if people just stuck to the way God originally intended it. But since people chose to follow the world's way, and the moment that outside influences and the government had interfered with the boundaries of what we would call religious freedom and separation of church and state , is when all these problems really started. And it went far back into the 1800s in earlier before we had settlement into the Americas. That's what happens when you have political and religious corruption.
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A small correction I could make is that many men dislike specifically modern feminism, not the whole idea as a whole. The current third or whichever wave is almost completely off the rails.
I don't hate feminism as a whole, i simply hate modern/third wave feminism. Im all for equality of opportunity, but things like the pink tax, mansplaining, man-spreading, etc are all moronic ideas.
I gotta stop you for a sec though. Mansplainning is a thing and i find it really annoying when my friends do it to my wife.
When a man thinks that he is an authority on a subject without any reasonable expectation that he should be, i can't help but think he is actung that way because of an ingrained gender bias. My friends never do it to me, and my wife is demonstrably smarter than I am. Book smarter, street smarter, emotionally smarter.
Not that mansplainning is such a social evil that it needs a movement against it, but lets also not pretend that it doesn't exsist and that it doesn't highlight some leftover gender issues that our society needs to work on.
Well when it becomes ridiculous it stops being about equality and starts to become like every other left wing movement. Just like BLM or LGBT these people claim that they are being held down by someone to stir up nonsense and attention.
@the_mad_tinkerer I see what you're saying, but I've encountered women who do that as well and yet it never gets called out and certainly doesn't get attributed to their entire gender.
Surely its more rational to just view it as a dick move since men and women both do it and since we don't always know the underlying motivations behind the behaviour, we can't just assume that its to do with a gender bias
@the_mad_tinkerer this way if thinking is why Feminism is not about equality and is about bigotry at best and hate at worst. Everything you just said has nothing to do with gender, yet you paint it as such. The only explanations for this are ignorance or evil and at this point in the "societal debate" ignorance is getting pretty damn hard to claim.
@the_mad_tinkerer This is just complete nonsense. Any rational person will determine how much knowledge someone has based on speaking to them and will react accordingly.
It would have be interesting if you'd actually provided more context with regards to your friends' alleged 'mansplaining' (e. g what the conversation topic was).
Any man who seriously thinks he's automatically more knowledgeable on any subject just because he's a man is a deadset idiot. Would he go up to a female astrophysicist and attempt to lecture her despite knowing jack shit?
Normal reasonable people don't act like this. So if this is genuinely something that your friends are doing, then it is not a factor of 'gender', rather it says a lot about the type of people your friends are and you as well, for choosing them as friends.
@the_mad_tinkerer Bro, I love you already.
@the_mad_tinkerer ironic considering that your comment can easily be called out as mansplaining simple because there are women in this conversation. Seriously though, mansplaining is not a thing, all it boils down to is one person condescendingly explaining (often incorrectly) something to another, gender is just added in to give feminists a reason to complain.
At sign everyone, I guess. All of you sound so defensive, it makes it hard to believe you put any serious thought into it. I'm not going to engage, but I'll throw this out there to explain why you didn't convince me: most of these arguements rely on "it sucks that it happens, but women do it to men too". So, what exactely is your problem with women asking men not to do it? All of your denials and defensiveness point to you not taking an issue that women have raised as serious. Why not? Could it be that you have no respect for them? Could it be you telling women that "akshually, this thing that you've experienced and I haven't isn't real. So stop filling your pretty head with nonsense."? Could it be that you're defensive because you have no emotional empathy, just a gut reaction that anything that could tie any part of your identity to something negative is obviously wrong? You guys are so full of shit, i feel like wiping my shoes off after this conversation.
@the_mad_tinkerer No, it's because you're attempting to make a gender issue out of something that is not a gender issue. You've been shut down by everyone here. Take your whiteknight feminist ass elsewhere.
White knighting for who? There aren't any women in this conversation. You need to recognize your own bias. Bread mold is more self aware than you.
If you were a guy you'd likely hate it as well. Most feminists aren't men because they are being targets of people who victimize themselves to justify bringing men down.
1. Feminists say the want equality but they actually want special treatment: to be free from responsibility & consequences yet have all the benefits men who embrace responsibility have.
For example, the Weinstein metoo thing. Not one woman (I heard of) accused him of rape. They let the guy into their hotel rooms at 3AM knowing he was a total perv. But they also knew he could get them movie jobs worth millions. These women are hookers. Trying to get paid twice. There’s been many cases of women making false accusations against men & then getting a slap on the wrist or no punishment. Feminists aren’t marching to hold such women accountable.
2. Feminists say they can do anything a man can yet they don’t campaign to do away with alimony Or welfare for single moms.
3. Feminists say it’s her body & her right to have an abortion. But this also means the man has zero say in if he will be a father. Yet he is on the hook financially even if she literally stole his sperm out of a trash can. Coincidentally these women only get knocked up & pop one out when they think they can milk the guy for resources (I’m talking about the moms who are too lazy/special to have careers).
4. Feminists claim that their feelings matter but men aren’t entitled to feelings/opinions. If they don’t care about our feelings why should we care about theirs?
5. Men built all of the great civilizations yet feminists want to run an experiment to see if single moms and women acting like men can do as good/better. Men are right to doubt the ability of women to be constructive (yes, some individual women are).
6. Psychologists have shown that even feminists prefer sexist men in relationships. Sexists meaning he doesn’t kiss her azz & make life all about her. There is literally zero reason for a man to support feminism today.
7. Feminists want the right to sleep with hundreds of men & not to be thought of as ‘sluts’. The fact is that no matter what we call it, men who are the most desirable for relationships believe the marketplace value of these women is LOW. Feminism is a factory producing women with low value in traditional relationships. Now feminists would tend to say that traditional doesn’t matter but I think they’re wrong. You can sleep around all you want but don’t come crying when you want to settle down
Well... someone’s very passionate about this haha
@Nicolette777 Passionate and correct ;)
The entire idea of feminism isn't really a bad thing. I understand why people are for it.
That being said, laws have been passed that make discrimination against women illegal, so the movement has now turned to making women SUPERIOR to men. Now I know not all people are like this in the movement, but the more vocal ones are, and they work to make men seem incompetent and abusive. Now dont get me wrong, some men are. But that is similar to saying all men are murderers because Jack the ripper was Male.
Another main issue with feminism in general is the biological nature of both men and women, and the role that our brains tell us to fulfill.
As guys, we open doors for women, help them when asked, and treat them differently, that is true.
BUT
If you do not want this from us, simply tell us and we will gladly stop. We do it to be nice, and to be gentlemen, so if you request we stop, then that is fine, we will gladly do so.
When it comes to what jobs men have... well that is biology again. Let me be clear firstly, WOMEN CAN BE STRONGER THAN MEN. But in GENERAL, that is not the case. Hence why men usually are the majority on physical jobs and manual labor that involves heavy lifting.
Another thing that people hate is the (especially recent) claim that men period shame women. I will tell you flat out, we have no idea what's happening. All we know is that you are bleeding and in pain. Anyone who shames you for a natural function is frankly an idiot and most men will probably agree with me on this point.
I hope this was helpful, and I just want to make clear that I dont mind the idea of equality, I just do not think that because of past mistakes, a new (and so far blameless) generation should be punished for it.
If you want to talk more feel free to PM me and I will talk (respectfully, please dont start getting mad out of nowhere (this is to men AND women))
I think the entire idea is sily. It (feminism) started as a contrary idiology to blatant sexism. Battles were fought and won for equality. But like all idiologies it is fundamentally flawed. So it seems to me that modern feminism looks to explain percieved inequalities through the same old lense. If this female makes less that this male at this job the only reason must be the evil patriarchy. 😱 Plus they are useful idiots for causing disention and division and rob people of their personal power. If you notice the themes of what are talked about in media the narritive is always division and has been increasingly since the nineties. Black against white. Male against female. Red vs Blue. And then if you walk through a grocery store in any part of the country there are people just going about their day. No one is racist or sexist in the real world. I took this picture in texas. I am on a motorcycle trip across america. I asked a simple question of the lady behind the counter and these two wonderful people gave me more info than I ever could have wanted. I have also met people of other races who were totally awful to me. Not rascism. Just assholes. Women who delighted in the fact that I was out of water and charged me an obscene amount of money for a basic nesessity. Not sexist, just bitches.
Certain types of feminism are the problem. Feminism is still needed in places like Muslim majority areas where women are actually oppressed or the bible belt where women still think they shouldn't work. But the type of feminism men are constantly seeing in the media is just whining and nit picking Women are complaining about things like the pockets of their jeans are too small compared to men. We see that and just assume that women will complain no matter what, so it's irritating.
Stories like this are what piss off men: interestingengineering.com/study-confirms-womens-pockets-are-too-small-for-smartphones
Who gives a shit about your pants pockets when there are women out there being forced to wear stuff like this:
Modern feminism is a joke. They want special rights and treatment for women and seem to want men to suffer. They also act as though the only bad people in the world are men. They're not feminine in most cases and they act like that's something to be proud of.
Intersectionality has turned it into a circus where anyone who feels like an outcast is now a feminist. "Oh, and anyone who isn't white is feminist. Oh, and anyone who is willing to be subservient to women, people with higher melanin content, and those in the LGBT community can be feminists, but you must be below them." It's stupid.
Additionally, they claim to want equality, but they are against women receiving similar sentencing for crimes. They also act like women never commit domestic abuse, rape, murder, or other heinous crimes, but they do. It is just under reported and more lightly sentenced when it is reported (or, in the case of rape, unable to be prosecuted because laws are written in a way to exclude women from that). And we cannot forget the false allegations that happen all the time and ruin men's lives. How is that acceptable?
I'm all for equality. I truly am. If you want to go out and work, great! I hope you have an education, as it's attractive and a generally good idea. Voting? Yeah, go for it! But don't ask me to surrender rights for you, or give you special treatment.
there's more insanity to talk about, but this is already probably going to get flamed.
That can be simply answered in a sentence. Feminism doesn't pursue equality. The laughable third-wave of Western feminism simply seeks to be superior than men, at this point we all have the same rights. It's time they take off their patriarchal oppression blinders and see the truth. Western women are not oppressed. In the past a woman couldn't vote at all, get a job, have a bank account or buy a house without the authorization of a man, among other things. All of which a modern-day woman can do all on her own. I don't support feminism because I don't believe that I am oppressed, because I am not. It's time to put facts before feelings, before we lose the last smidge of sanity that is left in today's society. Feminism was one of the greatest movements that have existed, however, how many more human rights can women get? At this point it's almost asking for extra rights.
I believe these memes express why men hate feminism in a way that women can understand:




the feminists these people are aware of are the first world feminists. the only reason why they hate feminist is because in the US and other rich countries, these ‘feminists’ cry about small meaningless things like men. these types of feminists hate men.
Because modern day American feminists don’t stand for anything. They walk around talking mad shit, talking about how we are not equal when that simply isn’t the truth (at least In America it isn’t). I don’t blame guys. I don’t like todays feminists either. They are super annoying
I'm a woman and I hate modern feminism. It's a shitshow full of feminazis who hate men and don't want equality, but rather superiority. Or they want to whine about stupid things (manspreading for example) Not to say every feminist is bad, but the vocal feminazis are the ones you see and the ones who represent feminism, and if I was a guy, I'd hate it too.
I think it all depends on the manifestation and practice of it then the paper definition. The paper definition, as I know it, implies equality between the sexes. Equality in this sense refers to fair treatment of men and women, and no discrimination due to sex when it comes to justice and a wide variety of opportunities. I agree with this definition of feminism, but perhaps the practice and manifestation of it by certain people or groups can change the meaning of feminism and how it’s seen by many.
Because feminism is stupid to the extreme. It's just more whiny leftist victim mentality. They have absolutely no clue what they are even fighting against. They create imaginary phantoms, then fight against it.
For the record, almost all the women I know hate feminism also, for the same reason.
This victim mentality affects a lot more than feminism. People need to stop playing the victim. Successful people don't play the victim. They don't constantly make excuses or point their finger at someone else.
I don’t like modern day feminism that much because it makes women entitled and allows them to constantly play the victim. They are encouraged to act trashy by sleeping around, and dressing vulgarly to express themselves as feminists. I think both genders should have equal rights, like equal employment opportunities.
They are against extreme feminism, the kind that fights against men, rather than fight for women.
The internet is filled with videos about these extreme feminists. Some people are more sensitive getting tunnel visioned that others. Some poeple believe all feminists are like this, those actively search for feminist posts to attack them.
There is a large stigma on feminism because of this. But I think it is important to note that these guys are NOT against womens' rights. They want equality, they don't want women to be benefitted more than men.
now are you referring to the feminism that is for women's rights or the crazy women's version of feminism... cos there are 2 different sorts
the one i can agree with, which is practical and done right and the one where certain fanatical feminists claim you can't do, say, or even be a guy, that all men are pieces of shit with no right to live
where they even attack women for doing things they choose to do in life but cos they conflict with their idea of feminism they are not considered worthy of being considered under their views cos they like to take part in what the crazy feminists deems as a male preference or man created ideal
even the normal feminists dont get on with those sorts of fanatics
and i've known a fair few tbh
Because people claim feminism and instead of promotion equality they just give all the things that are unfair and almost seemingly want women to have uneven benefits. For example, wage Gap is a thing but it's misleading. When you take out maternity leave it's virtually non-existent. Racial wage Gap is more of a thing than gender one. A lot of misleading stuff and it gets annoying when instead of relating to you and wanting the same it seems like special treatment. Then when something reasonable comes around you don't even wanna listen anymore
Feminism = Misandry
That's why. What kind of man would support a group or a movement that is made to go against him? Just look at what feminists do these days. Create man-hating terminologies such as Toxic Masculinity and fake ideologies like Mansplaining and Manspreading. These feminists don't even have elementary school knowledge of biology. They are violent against men and women who support men. They violently and verbally attack men who ask for help or try to raise awareness towards something that men suffer from. They create false statements such as the gender pay gap, women get abused more. commit suicide more and get raped on campus. Look at facts and you will see that every bit of crap that comes out of their mouth is a lie. Feminism is cancer and needs to be killed once and for all.
TBH it wasn't until I took Master's level gender studies class that I developed an understanding for and sympathy towards feminism. Until about three years ago, feminists for me were predominantly white middle class entitled women who wanted men to stop manspreading. They were writing cringeworthy pieces in the Guardian complaining about male privilege.
Then I took said gender studies class, read Judith Butler and several other authors talking about women in LDCs, inequality, FGM etc. It made more sense. Equally, how comparably small amounts of gender inequality in countries like Britain and France can effect LDCs is tremendous, via prioritisation of development aid.
@mateynine As long as men want to circumcise their male infants, it’s going to keep happening.
@BreakingSound Ah yeah, fair enough. It's just men circumcising their male infants. There's no such thing as mothers, they don't exist and have no responsibility. Makes sense.
@BreakingSound "Your bullshit". Yep, that's what I thought. I gathered you were a sexist by your first comment and now you've just come back to confirm it. Apparently because I'm a guy, I'm automatically responsible for what other men do.
No where did I explicitly blame women. You're the only one who wants single out genders. You implied only fathers have a hand in their son's circumcision. I simply pointed out that mother's also have equal responsibility for their child's welfare.
@BreakingSound You're absolutely right. There are still a bunch of retarded men out there who think cutting infant's dicks off is an okay thing to do.
Also, here's some news... lately they've been looking into undoing the federal ban on FGM for religious reasons because it's unconstitutional. They dropped charges on doctors who practiced FGM in the state of Michigan.
www.nytimes.com/.../...genital-mutilation-law.html
@BreakingSound Lol. I'm not talking about who the first person was to do it or what society was like back then. All I've done is point out that mother's and father's are both responsible in today's society.
Not only that, but I'll also add that many studies show a trend in women preferring circumcision, both in their chosen sexual partner and their children. But again, let's ignore all that and just put the blame on fathers and me as well, because I'm a guy (even though I don't support it but let's just ignore that). Yep, you're not sexist at all :)
@mateynine Yeah, you're right.
Feminism is not about equality. It's not fair to girls or guys as it pushes women to all act or be a certain way and disregards or shames the problems men face.
It's honestly as simple as that, although I can further expand if you feel it's not clear what I mean by this. It's also not just men that hate it, many women do too. It would have a bigger, growing following if it was as virtuous as it makes itself out to be.
All in all, I want to say that men and women are indeed different. However, our differences are not something we should be ashamed of or minimize to an indistinguishable extent. They are important to our identity as men and women and should be accepted and appreciated even if we can't always perfectly stand in one another's shoes.
Well its fairly apparent that feminism does not want equality as they have actively fought against equality since its inception. The fact that feminism also claims men are the enemy and are to be blamed for literally everything while simultaneously infantilizing women by acting as if women cannot be held accountable for their own actions and behaviors, is also a reason why so many men hate feminism. Also, in addition to all that the fact that we can statistically and legally show that women have more rights then men and that men are the ones suffering in every single category with, as far as I can tell, no exception, while women have it better in all catagories, again, as far as I can tell, with out exception is yet another reason.
Because feminism has got a bad name. These days, people think it means hating men and thinking women are better. In my opinion, it’s not really equality when you protest for women’s rights but not for men’s rights (even if women have it worse)
Ahaha true. Beyoncé is a respectful and respectable feminist though 💓
I know this is an unpopular opinion but I think it’s stupid to try and make women the same as men. Yes, they should have equal rights but men and women are different. There is stuff men can’t do but women can and nobody is protesting against that
Oh dear, you think men loved it in past when feminists advocated female education? You really think when feminists started to request families to send their daughters to school, men welcomed them with flower gardens and happily sent their daughters there? No dear, men would kick their wives out when they found out that they can read.
Men never welcomed feminism and they never will.
What feminist advocates for female education? All feminists do is whine and make up shit to make men look awful, just like you just made shit up to portray how men are bad people who hate their daughters.
Maybe your father hates you but I can assure you most men love their daughters and want the best for them. Maybe it's just a Bengali thing?
And your profile says you're in a relationship? I'm assuming you're a lesbian in a relationship with a woman? I mean it makes sense because why would you be with a man when men are so awful and make your lives miserable and would never send your daughter to school.
What a god awful joke.
@ThisGuyDucks read some history you'll know what I mean 😊
I'm familiar with history and I know enough to say you're an idiot who hates men.
@ThisGuyDucks nah you still lack knowledge on global history.
Ah I get it now! There have never been or will ever be any men who advocate or support women rights. I'm learning so much right now.
Women shouldn't be educated or vote. See what happens? The slippery slope has come true. Give an inch and they take a mile. How did we go from reading and voting to manspreading and common divorce? Well i can tell you how. Its womens nature to destroy and they are not capable of leading unchecked they will always go off the deep end.
Untrue claims? Which ones?
All of em right?
@bamesjond0069 you are sexist and dont generalize. By your logic all men started wars and destroy the world
Because the movement is disingenuous.
What's the biggest thing we hear about feminism?
Equality, equality, equality, they just want equality.
Though, in many regards women have it much better than men. Many more men are homeless than women, yet do we hear "we need less homeless men," or even "we need more homeless women?" Nope!
The movement is about increasing the quality of life for women, it doesn't give a shit about men even though it pretends to in order to appear righteous and more legitimate.
So I hate 21st-century feminist, they skew stats in there favor like the wage gap they don’t want equal rights as men (e. g men in the United States have to sigh up for the draft but feminist would be outraged if anyone suggested that) it’s not about equality or the right to vote anymore it’s just playing Insanity in my opinion the me to movement has gone out of control end it does nothing but hurt women and then they advocate for a trans people in sports not realizing that that that would curb any opportunities for actual women and sports I could continue
My older brother likes to point out that men built this world. Men built everything and women didn't build anything. Now women are trying to take it all. He also pointed out how men and women lived back in the 1950s was way better. They didn't have the problems like what we have today. Men went to work and when they came home they just ate dinner, they didn't help the wife. The wife did everything in the house and took care of the kids. My brother thinks life was better back then. But now feminism messed everything up and ruined it for all the guys and made women into crazy bitches. My brother wants to go to Europe and marry a woman there because he believes they still have that old mentality.
@Shuri he would probably say something like that's a small addition to everything else men have built
Your brother is cherry picking information to support his views. I'm no fan of third wave feminism but I do think we've made great strides for equality since the 1950s. It just seems 2010 onward feminism has been doing more harm than good for relations between the sexes. At least in perspective it has.
@SentientBrick the 1950s was far better. Women today aren't worth marrying. You can have sex and kids with many women not just one. You dont even have to earn an income to support a family. There are literally no requirements for men any more. And its because there are no women worth a damn to bother being a decent man for. So yeah i agree we made great strides in equality but at the expense of women because now they are not valued anymore. And it makes men depressed and bitter because men want to be responsible and have good families but its a losing proposition these days.
Why men have a problem with women want to work and have a career? You can be a good wife and also can go out and work. Sorry but being housewife is fucking borimg and is not a life
@shinka1y234 most women are not capable of having a career and being a decent mom.
In the most of the cases husband dont support his wife when she wants to have a career.
That is why it is difficult to have a career for a woman.
@bamesjond0069 Plenty of women are good wife material now days. You could have sex and kids with many women in the 1950s as well it was just more frowned upon. You need money to actually support a family period. What were the "requirements" in the 1950s how are they diffrent to the average man now days? I'd argue women are still highly valued it just that men are not as valued or respected as they were in the 1950s (thanks 3rd wave feminism). I do agree mens loss of purpous and sense responsibility has resulted in a terrible increase in depression and suicide. I'm at a loss as to how we fix such a problem. The media and SJWs seem to revel in or at least not care about this issue. They also seem quite effective in supressing or stopping any changes that might help men who are struggling.
@SentientBrick you could then sure but today its completely accepted and normal. Also many many women would not tolerate that sort of men. Today almost nobody waits till marriage when that was still maybe not a majority even in the 50s it was common and idealized. Today its celebrated for a woman to have slept with 50 men and have 3 kids with 3 different men.
@shinka1y234 like i said. Most men dont value it. You should stay single and be a cat lady if you dont want to offer anything of value to men.
I think its good sometimes to step back and realize how diffrent what the media and Hollywood try to rationalize as normal and what the average person thinks is normal. Id argue that most people don't think a "50 person body count" and having kids with different fathers is healthy or normal despite what the media says. I do agree sex before marriage is much more common now days and it does have some negitive effects. Though I cannot place blame on feminism exclusively : contraceptives, sex education and porn are much more wide spread now days. Making people baving sex safer, better educated, and more common.
@bamesjond006 wtf is your problem. Why can't a man stay at home and care for childreen. Why is always expected from women? Sorry but a man should not call himself a father if he can't care for childreen.
And wtf do you value if you can't care for yoursef and expect from a woman to cook, to clean the house and care for childreen. These days many women work. So that is why a man have to do housechores, cook etc. do. I dont want someone lazy
@shinka1y234 well im not a lazy load like most men. I earn in the top 1% of income. I dont need a sugar mama to bring home a check. A woman paycheck has no meaning to me will not help me in any way at all. Its completely irrelevant.
@bamesjond0069 So... according to you, men who stay home and care for kids are lazy. So wouldn't that then make a woman lazy if that's what she does? How does having a vagina not make you lazy but a penis does?
@Shuri no i dont think its lazy. But you know men can't birth children and most women are naturally inclined to do caring and home activities and most men are naturally inclined to be emotionally detached dealing with the external world so that they can do whatever is necessary to support their family. Hey if a girl can pull in 6 figures and can find a good house husband sure that would be just fine. This almost never happens in real life though for various reasons. It is not functional to have two career people and no caring house maker nor is it functional to have two home makers and nobody to pay the bills.
Plenty of women are good wife material now days. You could have sex and kids with many women in the 1950s as well it was just more frowned upon. You need money to actually support a family period. What were the "requirements" in the 1950s how are they diffrent to the average man now days? I'd argue women are still highly valued it just that men are not as valued or respected as they were in the 1950s (thanks 3rd wave feminism). I do agree mens loss of purpous and sense responsibility has resulted in a terrible increase in depression and suicide. I'm at a loss as to how we fix such a problem. The media and SJWs seem to revel in or at least not care about this issue. They also seem quite effective in supressing or stopping any changes that might help men who are struggling.
Because it isn't feminism, it's cultural Marxism. It is intended to redistribute social power from supposed oppressors to the supposedly oppressed. This is accomplished by discriminating against the oppressor class. Women get sucked into the class warfare narrative without realizing it's true source as it's disguised by the term "feminism" rather than Marxism. If you want to know what is wrong, listen to this when you're driving or something.
It will give you a feel for the warped ideology at work here and why it is having such a bad effect.
Probably because third wave feminism is about attacking men and treating them like enemies instead of friends, husbands, brothers , sons
Because there is nothing there that serves them. Third wave feminism is about hating men, gaining power and control over them. The majority of both genders just isn't buying it, don't agree or support it. In the beginning it was all fine, everybody was for that, voting, equal pay, opportunity, choices, that's all great. When it got to 'we don't need no stinkin' men' then it failed. Some women tend to go to extremes. We simply avoid them. They have cats. Or horses, depending on how rich they are. LOL
Why do so many women hate men? That's the real question.
An actual answer to your question is that 3d wave feminism is purely and simply useless in most respects. If you can name me a single right afforded to men that isn't afforded to women in the west in 2019 point it to me and good luck.
As for the rest a quasi totality of men believe that women have the right to express themselves, have the right to vote, the right to do as they like with their lives. But it's not what feminism stands for today and by the way 40% of women in the world today are not ready to call themselves feminists. Modern feminism wants to see equality of outcome regardless of an existing equality of opportunity. It victimizes women by telling them they are still oppressed and also strive on killing the feminine image and encouraging women to hate men and everything that males stand for.
We hate feminists, not necessarily feminism as a concept. But when we think of feminism we of feminists. And when we think if feminists we invision (rightfully so) a bitchy woman complaining about how "oppressed" she is even though she literally has a better life than most people both make or female. Its rare to find a low income feminist. They are usually middle class whores who whine about the way men sit and the temperature of the office they work at instead of the fact that there is a homeless epidemic in this country (predominantly men) and a suicide rate that's steadily increasing. A suicide rate also dominated by men.
Feminism isn't about equality. It's about entitlement and getting an excuse for acting like a cunt. Now to clarify, we are all entitled to basic things but these women have that already and more. Many in America don't, their voices get ignored while these privileged bitches scream bloody murder about the non-existent patriarchy.
Based on the comments I've seen on here, some men feel entitled to a standard of gender expression and gender roles that has been replaced and no longer applies. They dont view their outdated standard as unfair, marginalizing, or misogynistic, and they wouldn't hurt women if they understood that is what their views are doing, but that's the crux of the point: they dont understand.
We are characters, not props. Without even realizing it, so many sexually frustrated young men and old fashioned old men fundamentally misunderstand that women are people!
Well you dont understand mens perspective at all. Women who dont behave in a more traditional way are 100% worthless to men. So its fine if you want men to think you have no value but then of course when men treat you like just another man, y'all bitch and moan about boo hoo he didn't call me back after sex or he didn't treat me like a lady. Hint its because you aren't a lady and men who do that dont value you.
@bamesjond0069 lol😂 you alright there bud?
@bamesjond0069 fucking idiot, so you think its alright to be violent and treat people like garbage just because you can. Oh well then if your face is punchable enough then people have the right punch it
@Underworld158 how is having strictly casual sex treating them like garbage if they are feminists? Feminists believe casual sex is healthy and normal and good? y'all become prudes all of a sudden? And who mentioned violence? Are you drunk?
It's because feminists are annoying, gross, and pathetic and try to get their point across by disrespecting men and treating them like they are beneath women or something instead of spreading their so-called "equality".
A true femeninst fight for equal rights. But many do it to hate men, and many do it and are hypocrite. Like a couple with a kid breaks up but 9 out of 10 times the mother gets the full rights to the kids even if the father is fully capable and interested in having the kids. That's not equal. Even a 50/50 setup is not even truly 50/50 but 49/51 where the mother have the 51. Also go to a woman's public toilet and there is a changing room for the kid, go to a men's and there is not. Parental leave is in the favour for the woman and quite often not the man. A femeninst would fight for the right for men to have the same rights when it come to kids. A man hater would not care and dare to call them self a femeninst. Men to get abused and raped and mistreated, not just woman. A true femeninst know that.
You're right. A true feminist would know and fight for it. And I do see plenty of feminists fighting for men's emotional rights.
Where to begin.
Feminists constantly claim that women don't have equal rights. They do and then some.
Not a single feminist can point out a right women don't have but men do.
Their attempt to rewrite history , making it seem as if women were the eternal victims of men, while ignoring the millions and millions of men that were sacrificed in wars, massacred in genocides, and died to get us to where we are today.
"Teach men not to rape" was a thing. As if men aren't constantly told to never put hands on a woman from our infancy.
Changing language to erase word that have man/men in them ( manpower, policeman, fireman, etc).
Constantly being told we have male privilage , usually by women who have had better education and are now sitting in nice air-conditioned offices complaining how hard they have it.
Men sitting with their legs slightly apart is oppressive , explaining something to a woman is oppressive, earning more money bcs we work longer hours is oppressive and so on
Because feminism has been replaced by hatred of men by radical feminists.
People see right through the front and gaslighting.
An other is people that needs something to define them instead of being themselves, creating their own rules.
Narrow minded people.
Mental issues.
One sided.
Sexism.
Focus in the wrong places.
...
It's to many red flag's about that movement and little to easy to see what really is happening.
The same goes for people that says they are.
The funny thing is that you have a few categories of humans that becomes. still haven't stumbled into anyone that deviates from that.
Feminism is in the past, nowadays we need equalism. Woman have the same rights as men and the same possibilities. But today's feminism is feminacism, because it created such terms as menspreading for example which is absurd. And they want more jobs in offices but not in the building industrie for example. They talk about women being raped but if a man is being raped it is funny and no problem with that. They talk about women being homeless but the other 80% of homeless man remains unmentioned. I am not hating women I am just saying we need to think and not just hate on the other sex.
If feminism is about equality why would they completely bash men as if we are all placed into the same category with the same mindset because we were born with a pair of testicles and a dick? Should I state all women are the same then? Does not make sense, right? I've seen girls who are feminists bash other women as well who are there so-called "friends". Should men create a new term called menism as this new movement for minority males in North America and Europe?
I think it's getting out of hand with the "ism-based" ideologies we use today. I support women with wanting to break down doors and pave their own way, women should get the same pay as men and not have social stigmas attached to them. Women should be valued and respected in the work place and outside the work place. This is coming from a guy who does not believe in feminism but will still respect women to be treated fairly and if someone cannot comprehend that simple answer, then I don't know what else to say.
I dislike feminism because I think it's a sham. Girls have already surpassed guys in so many ways.
They are admitted to college at higher rates, they graduate at higher rates, and they make more money than guys in their 20s. Girls comprise the vast majority of college students, yet colleges still have women's centers, special programs, and dedicated scholarships for women. Meanwhile, guys have higher rates of suicide, depression, and incarceration. Yet nobody seems to care about whether guys live or die.
Well basically because of double standards. And secondly, when you call a hard working man pig by saying all men are pigs and all. Thirdly, most of these feminist girls I know are some of the saddest lot. They claim to want equality but all they want is no rules, no nothing to stop them including when they break the law which is implemented on both genders like cutting in line to get ahead, not lifting their own weight just after giving a lecture on how women are superior to men and destroying relationships between men and women by trying to poison their other female friends as well. List is in exhaustive. Seen many fakers to be honest
Feminism is hypocrite bullshit and man hating




I think it's because feminism is creating a gap between both genders and not making them equal in harmony.
It's not feminism many men dislike, the idea of equality of opportunity, voting rights, income, etc are ideas which I wholeheartedly support and most other men do too, but the issue is modern feminism, like whinging over the term "mansize tissues" 🤦♂️ this modern form of feminism is whats pathetic, there are girls in the third world that don't have access to education, rape and sexual assault is a big issue, domestic violence (perpetrators both men and women), but they're complaining about the fact a box of tissues has "mansize" written on them 🤨🤯 that's the issue
Because feminism became a movement for hating men and degrading their masculinity to make them more woman than man. The movement has become unequal. It has made women become miserable and move away from their nature, which conceive a child and be a loving wife. The movement has made women become more masculine, which is totally unattractive to men. No man with a right mind want a woman that sleeps around or aborts. Only guys with no foundation or principles would want to date a woman and or follow feminism.
There are too many Male hating extremists in the feminism community but they are not actually feminists since they are not helping for gender equality.
They are what is known as feminazi since all they do is attack men and shout saying women are the superior gender and males/men/Cis-males are horrible garbage of a gender and sometimes attack them physically or verbally, in the same way a nazi would say a the germans are the superior race, and that the jews are garbage and attack them.
Sadly the feminazis stick out more compared to the good the feminism community does so the feminazi community tends to be the descriptor for the feminism community
I will widen this out a bit - I am all for egalitarianism so technically support all groups but I will not condone any group that wants to overtake another group especially at expense of other group. I am a "We all adhere to a minimum acceptable standard for all and our goal is to raise that minimum standard"
So whether you are a white male or a black woman, I don't care I will hold you to same standards.
Because modern feminism doesn't Express equality. But equity. And equity is dangerous to society. Also most women don't agree on what feminism means. Most feminists don't agree with what it means. So an ideology that can say it's for equality but really is for other things, like applauding when women harm men. Rubs people the wrong way
I’m a woman that hates feminism—it’s not just the guys lol. Feminism stopped being about equality ages ago and became an ideology that doesn’t care about men’s issues and only cares about putting women at the top of the world while simultaneously bringing down men and antagonizing them for made-up microaggressions.
You summed it up! I've got nothing to add right there.
A Femenist once tried to disqualify me as an egalitarian for beeing against modern feminism. After claiming that there is no sexism against men and that sexual harassment only comes from men. They then went on claiming that there is no harassment against gay men and that me even arguing with them makes me a sexist mansplainer.
May I ask you this: Why say you hate feminism, when you can just say you hate what many people CLAIM to be feminism? Feminism isn’t supposed to be attacking men, it’s simply about equal rights. Yes, many “feminists” use feminism as a form of shaming and bullying men, but the truth is those aren’t really feminists. I’m a true feminist, meaning I understand the struggles women go through, and I believe women should be treated equally as men. I don’t believe men should be attacked for liking sex or man spreading, because it’s stupid to shame men for that. Women like sex too, we just want to be respected in the act. That’s all feminism is.
@curiousgeorgia15 Every person who claims to be feminist I ever met claimed to be a true feminist. Everybody defines feminism differently.
The word is a composition from latin femina ("Women") and -ism ("taking side with") meaning litteraly "Taking side with women" witch has originally nothing to do with equallity of sexes. If you don't want to be confused with the people we critizise for their ideas and actions, then call yourself egalitarian or humanist or something else.
Modern day feminism, at least the part that makes the news and that makes so many people upset, is not about equality but about putting women on the top of the world.
Third wave feminists sometimes go as far as to call trans men "traitors for changing sex to escape the opression of patriarchy". And yes, those people are real feminists by the definition of the word, as they are litteraly "taking side with women".
I agree with the ideas of classical feminism. Ten years ago, I would have proudly called myself a feminist. But modern feminism is no longer about equality. Those self-proclaimed feminists who scream the loudest are no longer advocating for equal rights, and that is where the majority of the antipathy towards feminism comes from.
Confusion between feminism and feminazi. That's probably why.
There's a lot of women that claim themselves to be feminism but in reality, they're feminazi who want to push down men so they're the superior and the men should be the slaves. Sort of revenge of what other men have done in the past.
I'm a woman and I can barely stand feminists. Or I should say the certain kind of feminist that give the rest a bad name. I know... I know "not ALL feminists"... but there are enough to ruin it for the rest of us.
I think sometimes its just too radical.
I am all for equallity but I dont want to get the job since I am a girl and they had to. I want the job since I am good enough as a person.
I mean I just want to be me.
D) Because many of them can't tell the difference between feminism and femi-nazism.
https://www.girlsaskguys.com/img/3858360
Smart men know that fat, old and ugly bitches who complain about nonsense are not feminists, they are femi-nazis (typically rich and privileged hags).
@Inbox No dude, it's not even close - their arguments and actions are completely different
Feminists are for gender equality, and lots of men are feminists too, because they know that original feminists don't hate men.
Feminazis don't support equality, they are female supremacists, and misandrists (they hate men, and no man would ever support them).
@Inbox I support equality of genders, I don't support so called "gender roles". I believe that both males and females should work any job they like, and to be payed according to their effort, not according to their gender.
I'm against sexism, not just the patriarchal one, but also against feminazi sexism against men. Unlike feminazis, I know that men can be raped too... and I know that looking at a woman you like is not "rape".
I don't hate Feminism, I'm your original Feminist, what I hate is that women don't want equality they want SUPERIORITY! They want their cake and to eat it too. They want all the luxuries of equality when it suits them, but also the traditional aspects of having their dinners paid for when it doesn't suit them.
Because feminism has changed. It started out noble - giving women equal rights - but now that those goals are accomplished, they've become increasingly more radical, leftist and man hating. They're more about controlling men and destroying them than lifting women up
Most guys don’t hate feminism itself, they hate what it has become. Initially feminism was very much needed because there was a time when women truly did not have equal rights. Nowadays although feminism does still address important issues, there is also an overwhelmingly large group of people that use the movement as a way to victimize men and complain about issues that aren’t really there. The word feminism has basically lost all meaning.
My guess is social media is the driving force behind this. The few people who are genuinely opposed to paying women equally try to bury feminism in a whole army of straw man versions of feminism that are attacked ruthlessly by sexually frustrated men.
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