I'm getting really tired of people being completely ignorant about this issue. Not just on here, I've seen and heard people talking about feminists and "feminazis" as if they're one organized group of people who all think the same and do the same thing.
Feminism argues for equal rights for women.
You may have noticed that there are men who want equal rights for men and women. You may have also noticed there are men who go overboard and want more rights for men than for women.
There are also women who want equal rights, and there are those who go overboard.
In my opinion, this seems kind of like basing your opinion of religion in general on the actions of JUST the West. Bap. church.
Yes, there are people who get overly aggressive on either side of every issue and on there are people who will do things and say things that don't really make sense. Because these people are louder than the others it's really easy to assume that everyone who has a similar opinion is like that.
Feminism is not a "hate group." Feminists are people who think women should have rights equal to men.
If anything, I think NOT being a feminist would make you a worse person than being one.
I regards to people saying women shouldn't have equal rights in the work force for jobs like being a firefighter or a cop, just because someone is a women that doesn't mean they should get turned down. If they can do the job, let them do that. There are jobs that might be more difficult for some women, but that doesn't mean all women wouldn't be able to do it.
These same people arguing about the job issue tend to overlook other areas of the market.
As someone working in the scientific community that frequently deals with a lot of gore, it's pretty obvious that women don't have equal rights when it comes to hiring and pay scale.
I'd like to have just ONE interview where I get asked the same questions a guy does, and instead I get questions like Well as a woman, how do you handle your emotions on this job? How do you plan you keep your work and family life raising children separate? Well are you sure this is a position you want to apply for? There's a lot of blood in this field.
I'd like to stop meeting people who tell me it's weird that I study forensics or like science "because I'm a girl."
To people who say they dislike feminism and feminists: you don't even know what that is.11 Reply
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+1 yMen are a very diverse group, with a wide variety of opinions, values, and worldviews. Certainly some men do hate feminists/feminism. But on the other hand, there are also men who are feminists themselves. And men who don't have a strong opinion either way.
I'm a feminist, but I've never had a problem with dating or relationships. Many men have appreciated that I was the one who asked them out, and that I share in the costs of dating, for example. The men that I've had relationships with have appreciated that they can be themselves around me and that I don't judge them negatively//try to fit them into a box of what a "real man" should be like. They appreciate that responsibilities are shared equally, and so no one burden falls solely on them (or me).
Do all guys like these things? No, of course not. I'm not very compatible with men who are conservative or believe strongly in traditional gender roles. But that doesn't really matter because there are people that I'm not going to be compatible with no matter what views I hold. Are there men who wouldn't give me a chance if they found out I was a feminist because they think that feminists are man-haters or crazy or whatever? Sure, but I wouldn't want to be with someone who held those views anyway.12 Reply- +1 y
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No worries! :)
A lot of men (and even women) misunderstand feminism. They seem to think that for a group other than them to gain power, they will have to give up power and rights. Which in a way is true, as they are indeed giving up power over those other groups, but it's still power they should never have had in the first place. Also, media and social groups play a role, as often the only thing people hear about feminism is from sources that are anti-feminist, so obviously they get a skewed view of it. Also, occasionally you'll encounter those who are trying to look at social issues out of context and with pure logic. That just doesn't work. You can't take a situation out of context and expect the issues to be the same and the solutions to be the same.
That said, there are still many men who are feminists and support feminism. The vast majority of those I hang out with are, because they understand the inequalities in society and they understand what feminism actually does, and they even understand that feminism's goals benefit them as well.53 Reply- +1 y
I know of no group like feminists, who will literally tell their opponents what their opinions are before said opponents have uttered a word.
My distaste for feminism has nothing to do with a fear of losing rights. What rights? The only right I can think of that is threatened by feminists is the right to my sexuality. I'm not allowed to be sexually attracted to the female body.
My distaste for feminism is based on the fact that every article I have ever read by a feminist portrayed men as an evil conspiracy of rapists and sexist fat cats.
It is based on the feminist gang I hung out with for a while, who, when I dared disagree with them, publicly shamed me and then cut all contact with me.
Why should I have any respect for a group that dehumanizes me and holds me collectively responsible for the actions of complete strangers I happen to share a gender with? - +1 y
@muspelheim_5: I did give various options for why men might be against feminism. You do still appear to fit into one of my categories, that being the men who have skewed sources and thus develop an incorrect view of feminism. No actual feminist article I have read has said anything close to what you claim. And don't link me to some stupid radfem thing, because radfems like that are not actual feminists (ain't the Scotsman fallacy, merely definition) and because they are very clearly the minority.
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How about this: go to the feminism subreddit and show me that every, or at least most, articles linked there is as you described. And it can't be some random post that has either negative or very few notes. Preferably give me something on the front page, but I suppose from the top couple pages will do.
+1 yThis is due to women who misuse the term feminist and abuse it, as well as the lack of support for men who suffer from the same issues as women, but are stigmatized simply because they are men. I did a myTake on this issue: gender inequality affects everyone, feminists just have the louder voice.
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+1 yFirst, let me talk about feminism. Feminism goes much further than the belief that women and men should be equal (in some unspecified nebulous way), but includes a bunch of dogma that is flat false, revisionist history, one-sided, and a threat narrative targeting men (patriarchy theory, toxic masculinity, rape culture, standpoint theory, etc.).
Feminism, in its complete reality, is disgusting. Most people support men and women having equal opportunities and equal protection under the law. Most people are also not feminists.
Now let's talk about feminists.
Most feminists are what I call "coffee-shop feminists." These people believe that feminism is "all about equality," and nothing more. Unfortunately, they have been deceived. They need to FORMALLY study the history of feminism, from outside a feminist perspective. They need to see first-hand the evil underhanded crap the institutionally powerful feminists do.
But then there are the powerful feminists. They are gender studies professors, columnists, teachers, lawyers, and politicians. They are perpetuating a vile threat narrative against men and using it to get rich and secure women's position above men in a tiered society. Whenever someone tells a coffee-shop feminist about the evils these kinds of feminists are into (like getting rid of prison sentences for women altogether in the UK), they say, "Not all feminists are like that." But it doesn't matter. The powerful ones ARE like that.
And the sad truth is that the coffee-shop feminists are strangely quiet when the institutional feminists run roughshod over the human rights of others because they have the wrong genitals (or even just disagree with the feminist orthodoxy).
I could believe not all feminists are like that if the "good feminists" would make an effort to clean house. But they don't. They don't even try. They are complicit in the crimes of the powerful, institutional feminist regime.
Oh, and it's a multi-billion-dollar-per-year empire funded mostly by men.00 Reply
1.7K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. It used to be a good group but now I just see it as an annoyance that does more harm then good at least here in the US it does, in other countries or lands like the middle east were equality is none existent for men and women it has a place. But in the US it has no place here anymore.
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I'm a feminist and I dont belong to a group. I, as an individual, agree with the basic definition of feminism but dont actually participate in protests or anything like that. In other words, not all feminist are in groups. Its sounds to me like your a feminist because you list examples of where equality is most needed and where all the work needs to be directed next so all genders can can advance as a whole, not just as a country.
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Lol no I am actually very old fashioned but I also believe that everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they wish to with their lives, no one should be forced to live a certain way, but my core values and morals both professionally and personally are quite old fashioned.
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+1 ywww.girlsaskguys.com/.../a10659-unmasking-feminism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix5-jqQYU1M
Erin Pizzey, the first woman to open a domestic violence shelter for women, talks about her treatment from early feminists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZepACJgPyM
You say feminists don't prefer for women to get special treatment over males, yet we have so many policies and laws put in place by feminists that do exactly that, here are plenty of examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb_WYGtZ7K4
I also don't think there will ever be complete equality between men and women because we're biologically different. I think putting more women into the army, police and fire service with gender quotas is ridiculous when that means pushing out more capable men. How can this woman be expected to save you in a fire? Why should she have the job just because she has a vagina when a man would be more capable? Why are women's feelings more important than the ability to do a job where lives are on the line?
On top of all that, most of what feminists today complain about is pure myth, such as the wage gap, the 1-in5 rape statistic, rape culture etc. All have been dis-proven yet feminists will still constantly bang on about these things in this thread.
time.com/.../
These lies don't help women. Imagine a rape victim hearing that if she reports the rape she won't be believed, and imagine a rapist hearing that even if he does rape he probably won't get jail time? Does that inspire confidence in women or rapists?
And lastly they seem to have no identity outside of victimhood. They're victims of absolutely everything, even men sitting with their legs apart on a tube, they call it "manspreading", what the fuck? When people try to do things that actually empower women such as when Nia Sanchez, a beauty pageant winner and a Tae Kwon Do black belt encouraged women to take self-defense, they criticise these people and tell them that they're "victim blaming".
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Strong independent women? Yeah right. This is why I hate feminism. It doesn't help anybody, it just creates fear and hatred, and people wonder why people are so whiny these days.41 Reply"who advocate equality among men and women alike."
People forget that it isn't simply "Do you believe in equality? Then you're a feminist." That is essentially a method to try to claim as many people as possible.
Feminism is one of several gender equality movements throughout history. What we call feminism now basically seems to have its roots in Marxism, with men being the Bourgeoisie class and women being the oppressed lower class. And therefore, the idea is that in order to establish gender equality, women need to be brought up, and men don't really need any work. Since men have all the power, they say, their grievances are self-induced. They did it to themselves.
That is the point at which I do not call myself a feminist. Many of the intricacies are lost in calling men a monolithic group made of privilege. I am very interested in gender equality and gender issues, but I have my own set of perspectives. For more info on that, see Part 3 of "What I learned as a Feminist and an MRA"
The original usage of the term, however, was not exactly gender specific, but still not neutral. The premise was that Masculine morality, philosophy, and decision-making were considered vastly superior. Old philosophers would talk about how masculine morality was decisive. If you had to kill one baby to say millions, the choice is easy in the masculine perspective. While the masculine perspective would say you are a net savior of 999,999 people, the feminine perspective would say you are still a baby-murderer.
Feminism was the idea that the feminine perspective should be considered different from, but not inferior or superior to, the masculine perspective. Being called feminism because it meant raising the feminine perspective from being considered "inferior". So even then, the term is only necessary so long as the feminine perspective is held well below the masculine perspective. But this is where I could justify calling myself a feminist.
As for what the movement has become now, I have no idea. It's all trigger warnings and micro/nano/pico-aggressions. It values freedom of speech below "Freedom to not be offended". And it many ways, it infantilizes women, rather than empowering them, telling them they should fear the world and demand chivalrous assistance rather than empower themselves.10 Reply- 332 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 y"They dont prefer for women to get special treatment over males" except for the fact that they have routinley fought against equal custody of children which is to the benefit of men since men do not get custody of children. The National Organization of Women actively fough against it. They claim sexism and falsify facts, all of which is to paint men as evil oppressors and women as innocent victims. Men suffer in all catagories, to an insane degree then women yet no feminist has ever came to there defense despite being for "equality". They complain that there are no women politicians and ignore the fact that every manule labor job (garbage man, construction, mining) is occupied by men. They don't acknowledge that every potentially dangerous job, like police or military, is comprised almost entirely of men. They ignore the fact that 80% of all divorces are filed by women (mostly due to irreconcilable diffrences or no fault) yet 80% of all alimony and child support is paid by men.(along with the fact they are legally striped of there children) Over 75% of homeless are men, yet no feminist complains about this. Women start out making more money in engineering, the reason is because they need to fill a quota and there for will pay extra to insure they meet it even if it is undeserved, a privledge men don't have. It is illegal to circumcise women yet not only is it not illegal to do so with infant boys its encouraged (they only with in the past couple of years began to use anesthetic for this). 80% of all assault/mugging/murder victims are male yet feminist continue to state how we have to protect women. Men are accused of being rapist thanks to the don't be that guy/real men don't rape campaigns, yet statisticly less then 4% of men will ever rape which is about the same damn number of female rapists, which feminist refuse to acknowledge ( routinely state that men can't be raped, but were still equals) The same goes for domestic violence and yet while millions of government dollars goes to womens shelters (where men are not allowed, even in some case male children) there are next to none for men, all of them are privately operated since no one wants to acknowledge mens issues. They demand the right to abort, but demand the father pay child support. This isn't even a full list of problems out there but it doesn't matter because feminists don't care about equality they never have. For further reading:
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yIf your definition of feminist was accurate men wouldn't hate them. The problem is that there are many different kinds of feminists and most of them are sexist. Just because you don't agree with certain types of feminists doesn't mean they aren't real feminists. Rather feminism has many different branches and supporting "feminism" ends up supporting branches that we don't want to support.
Feminism is based on the idea of achieving equality by only focusing on women's issues. It assumes men have no problems and now even teaches young people that in the past gender roles were just men enslaving women. The belief that men forced women into gender roles for hundreds of years, creates a lot of sexism toward men.
The truth is past female advocates would actually enforce gender roles as women received more from gender role than most people realize. In fact one of the biggest hurdles feminism has in third world countries are that the women don't want to have anything to do with feminism as they would lose the their female privileges. These are women that will laugh and mock men that dare step out of his gender role. These are men by the way that are often forced by the law to uphold his gender role or go to prison.
Most men that hate feminism are actually for equality. That is why they stand against feminism. Both genders need equality, and not just women. This goes against the core principles of feminism which at best only seeks to help women. The moment someone tries to advocate for men, feminists come out from everywhere and scream down the male issues, until all focus is only on the female issues.12 Reply- +1 y
I agree, Men seem to get belittled by feminist all around and can't speak up without being stepped back into place. The other day, at my college orientation, I actually got angry because one of my professors said that only men can stop rape, which is a huge problem, mainly being that a lot of men get raped themselves, and this is in prison which a lot of people overlook. Additionally, it upset me because it made it seem as if all the men needed to "take a look in the mirror" or something. I want to stop so many women from getting raped without reverting back to making rape victims seem like its their fault, but i see where your coming from. my example may not have been totally relevant to what your saying, but I feel that its a small piece.
Opinion Owner+1 yIt think you gave a pretty good example. Feminists commonly talk about rape culture even though nothing is taken more seriously than a woman being raped, meanwhile just look at how many jokes there are about men being raped in prison.
I knew a guy that had both of his arms broken in prison so he couldn't fight back while being raped, and yet feminists commonly make the claim that almost all the sex that goes on in prison is consensual sex. I guess after being hurt so bad or seeing other guys getting hurt after resisting rape may train men to consent as oppose to going to the hospital every time, but if a woman was in that position it would still be considered rape. Unfortunately because it is happening to men it is seen as a non issue to feminists. This is why I can't accept feminists are for equality. Someone for true equality would fight for both genders, not just one.
It's not that I don't like or hate feminists I honestly feel sorry for the vast majority of them. Like any ideology it is far too black and white to make sense. There are literally dozens if not hundreds of variations all with different ideas about what "equality" means. To say you are a feminist really means nothing anymore. Are you an equality feminist? A radical feminist? A marxist feminist?
Feminists talk like they all have one goal "equality" but they have 1000's of different ideas of what it means and how to get there. Some are for the complete destruction of the mythical "Partriarchy", others believe that gender is entirely a bunch of social constructs and that biology means almost nothing. Yet others believe that men should be eradicated. It's a hot mess and causing real and substantive problems with gender relations between men and women.
Do I hate feminism, not really but I do feel sorry for many feminists that don't really have the ability to think for themselves. If they did they would have a hard time subscribing to the label.00 ReplyFeminism only care about the rights of women. Feminism doesn't care about male issues. Feminism is about helping women in need, never men. Feminism completely ignores the suffering of men. Feminism see women as victims and men as perpetrators. Men can also be victims in need of help. This is not equality.
There's lots of defenseless little boys (and men) in this world. Not all men are violent Hulks who never needs help and someone who stands up for them. But for feminism it's only the girls and women who are important.
If you truly care about equality and not only helping one gender then you might want to call yourself an egalitarian instead, since that is about REAL equality.30 Reply
+1 yThe problem is... the vocal people who call themselves femenists are the vocal nutjob minority. This has lead to a popular tide of opinion against femenism as a whole, from men and women.
And can you really be suprised? In most of Europe the femenist's job is done, so the shouting and posturing seems unneccesary to your woman on the street.
And American is actually going the wrong way seemingly due to religious fundamentalism, and generally domestic religion is propelled by women rather than men.
I, and most over people, agree with the stated goals of femenism: Equality. But many subgroups of femenism want superiorety (or equality of outcome thanks to rapid progression systems for women etc etc), which is just a different form of sexism, and that is obviously not a good thing.10 ReplyHate? No as they don't mean anything to me so, therefore, no need to waste time hating them. However, in terms of the radical feminists I already know how their story ends and it is amusing to watch them go through motions attempting to create some ridiculous fantasy while faltering time and time again.
Equality is correct. Equality plus one is moronic. Radical feminists, quite literally, nearly all share the same traits... every single one of them and they are quite easy to spot from a mile away. Any man worth his salt avoids them like the plague.00 Reply
+1 yI don't hate feminists, but there is a lack of clear, concise objectives. It's a political title that is broad, and varies too widely. In the third world especially, I see the need for women's rights, safety and empowerment. In the U. S though, they can't really describe in what way women are "oppressed". Aside from abortion and wages, but wages are a bit misleading. Certain factors are not discussed aside from average annual salaries, they should really look at hourly wage rather than annual salary. Overtime, sick time, call outs, all play a factor in annual salaries. It may be more than gender that plays a role in why women earn less yearly on average than most men. White women especially, are not oppressed, and earn more than non white men on average in the U. S. Oppressed is hardly a word I would use to describe their condition here. I just think everyone plays into a victim mentality today. Unless you have lived in really bad conditions, people should stop bitching.
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+1 yI'm for equality but I don't identify as a feminist and don't want to associate with the feminist movement as such. Soooo many people try to quote the dictionary definition and argue that me and anyone else who says they agree with the definition of feminism should be on their team, which just makes it worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYY7V6oGn58
I can't ignore the greater context of the feminist movement.
Karen Straughan should be able to save me a lot of typing here... Skip to 6:00.10 Reply
+1 yI can tell your eyes haven't been open long. Do you not know what feminist have done to the court system for example? Here is a example two get married and have kids. The woman decides she likes another guy she met at work. She cheats on her husband with the guy she met and after a while of cheating she files for a divorce. During the divorce hearing she ask for custody of their kids and full custody is granted. Then she takes the house the man is paying for while the man is ordered to leave the house and his kids. This is what feminism has done to men and that's just one example.
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+1 yFeminism in America is not about women's rights, workplace equality, or equal protection under the law. It is a radical left wind organization that, if many women looked into it, I believe would find little to agree with. So, in answer to your question, men don't hate feminists, they hate the radical left wing feminist organization
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YES! I'm with you thier! I hate them too in a way! The extreme "feminist" do nothing to help men. I have noticed that this one lady, i forget her name, always says "men need to do this" and its almost like she blames them for something. Do women like that make you want to close your eyes to the cause altogether?
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It just makes you wonder who they are speaking for
Do men hate feminists? Well, that's a complicated question, but I personally dislike feminists because feminism in its current form is nothing more than man-hating, self entitlement, hypocrisy, and a lack of spine or skin finding the smallest things to be offended about. Take "man-spreading", the act of man sitting with his legs apart on the subway. Well, we have junk down there. It is more comfortable for us to sit with our legs slightly ajar, yet somehow that is oppression. Bitch, you aren't oppressed because of the way I, or any other man, sits. Do you have acid thrown in your face for trying to seek an education? Oh no? Get off the soap box. Feminism is nothing more than a hate movement nit picking at technicalities while ignoring their own vast wealth of privilege and entitlement based on nothing more than their gender.
I'm all for equality, but feminism isn't equality. Not even close.11 Reply- +1 y
Pat Robertson resumed it: freethoughtblogs.com/.../anifeminism.jpg
Rush Limbaugh said it even better: https://i57.tinypic.com/wjuhk7.jpg He really hit the problem there.
596 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. I'm a woman and I am strongly against feminists so ya I'd say a lot of men are too.
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Why are you against feminists?
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I'm going to say this and feminists will attack but I don't care what you say unless we are talking about the middle east where women are still extremely under it isn't helping at all. If feminists are about men's rights too why on earth would you call it a feminist and not an equalist. Just today on this site there was a question and it was something like "if you asked your boyfriend what he would do if your mother assaulted him because she thought he hit you but she didn't and he replied with beat the shit out of her would you dump him" all these women were going on about how he had would have no right to hit their mother back. But heaven forbid if it was a women assaulted by a man. You would be stupid to stand there and take it. Men don't have equal rights just as worn dont and they deserve to be allowed to defend themselves against a women just as a woman can defend herself against a man. I can post a whole video about rights and whatnot men don't have. I'm an equalist.
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well... looks like some girls can still see clear in 2015 and think on their own. good on you.
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Thank you @JohnBelluci
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+1 yI don't hate women because they are feminists, but i disagree with just about every last one of their beliefs. Men and women are diferent, and are supposed to be different. Its called BIOLOGY and NATURE. The changes in these traditions are just screwing up the idea of dating and marriage in the modern world. So no, i don't hate feminists, but i tend to avoid them.
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I think that because we are different we should try to get to know each other. How can we move to the next chapter of societal progress together if were not on the same page?
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We developed gender roles and traditions for a reason - because they work.
In this day and age, with feminism around... look at the divorce rates. You can't seriously tell me that you have made them drop? More like increasing ever since feminism became a thing. - +1 y
Men and women are not that different psychology. Society just made them different. Feminism is movement to change that so people can live how they want.
+1 yI don't like the term feminist anymore. I am tired of it myself.
Some takes it too far and that's not cool.100 ReplyI think you're awesome for asking this question! As a 17 year old already inquiring about these types of topics shows me that you will do well in college. Good for you!!! Also, being a feminist improves awareness and teaches you certain obstacles that women face that are gone unseen when ignorant.
Be sure to take sociology and women & gender classes, since you're asking about this now Im assuming it will be very interesting to you!12 Reply- +1 y
Thank you. I am interested in this topic and i want to learn how to help the cause for everyone
Were it not for feminists we would still be wasting the talents, intelligence, drive, and valuable contributions of half the popullation. I shudder to think what a massive loss that is.
As long as the preferred form of discussion is debate rather than true dialogue, as long as discussion is adversarial rather than collaborative, always vying for win-lose rather than win-win, we will continue to need radical feminists.14 Reply- +1 y
It seems there's always a win-lose situation. a lot of men and women see feminism as a bad thing, and I guess it has kind of become a bad thing to people, but what it started out as was good. I think its because where we, as in women, first started was at a bad place and overtime it evened out and now its kind of gone overboard. People should definitely speak their minds about it because a lot of men do hate feminist, but i stand by the definition of the word.
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Thanks I will, I plan to study this topic thouroughly.
Hate? Nah. But I absolutely do not like what the movement has become. Even some women are distancing themselves from it.
I support equality, not female dominance at the cost of men. Men -in their own ways- do not have it easy either. No need to kick us when we're down while screaming how powerful and liberated you are.12 Reply- +1 y
I have to say, a lot of radical feminist feel that they have to yell it and scream it because all their yelling and screaming is putting people off. You know, the louder you scream the more people will hear? Its kind of like wives nagging husbands and husbands ignoring them. That type of approach to actually reaching a goal will never work. However, even though we've come a long way there are still problems that need to be bridged not just for women but for men too. For ALL of us. So i won't say the cause is bad, its the approach thats bad.
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Yes I totally agree. The problem with society in general is that the loudmouths get all the attention. Of course there's surely some biological factor behind this (screaming for help, warning others, etc), but it's counterproductive at best in such cases. You don't win the debate by holding a screaming contest, though that would be kind of fun to see. ;)
Hence, I stand by equality, not feminism. Not because I don't think women are important, but because the values of a lot of modern feminists are entirely out of whack. Simple as that.
Do you like fascists? I assume you don't.
Well, feminism (excluding it's very first original core) is rather fascist ideology.
While it started as a simple desire to being able to attend universities and get jobs and whatnot, it quickly escalated into lust for power and advantages without any responsibilities whatsoever. If anything goes wrong for them along the way for any reason whatsoever, they blame the party that is not associated with it.40 ReplyFeminism is a hate group that actively triew to block men getting equal rights with women in the western world. For myself I very much dislike feminist and their rhetoric lies like the one you just regurgitated.
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No it's absolutely not that at all. So should women sit back and allow it to continue? Why should we be paid less just because we don't have a penis? Feminism isn't even just a problem in America or England, it's everywhere and women in different countries get treated horrifically. Even little girls.
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Well thanks for the new information about it being a myth. However, feminism is still a problem in other countries. Girls are forced to get married to men in some countries out of their own free will. That should not have to continue!
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For one guy being wrongly accused, how many girls do get *REALLY* assaulted or raped without the criminal ever even seeing a judge, much less jail? 1 to 100? - +1 y
@jacquesvol so you are willing to convict many innocent people, just to catch a few guilty ones? Every single case must be properly evaluated, and if there is not enough evidence, the case must be dropped. But right now, if the accuser is a woman and the accused is a man, that's enough to get the man into jail for years. Just look at Tyler Kost. Do you think that's okay? How would you feel if a vengeful woman accused you of rape, and ruined your life? You wouldn't be here defending false rape accusers, that's for sure.
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@Maverickj
False charges do exist, indeed, but infinitely less than real rapes.
How many men ever face trial because of false charges? How many are condemned?
How many are condemned for *real rapes* ?
Patriarchists focus on a few cases to hide the *daily reality* of sexual assault and rape. - +1 y
@Maverickj
Here are some stats: www.rainn.org/.../frequency-of-sexual-assault
More: www.cdc.gov/.../datasources.html
Now, where are your stats about all those many innocently convicted men? - +1 y
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Those stats from any source always show that women are the victims.
Ifyou consider *that* 'biased' you're very wrong because ignoring them would justify crime. - +1 y
Also so, women you're up for having to sign the selective service act when registering to vote... you don't right now in the US. So if you want to be equal to men, you should have to sign your life away too, or men shouldn't have to sign it to vote.
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+1 y"Feminism is the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."
It about being equality between men and women is an urban myth. What do you think happens you have a scale and keep putting weight only on one side? Figure yourself.
And that's why most men reject and dislike feminism. It's often directly or at least indirectly harming them. Not to mention a lot of feminists seem to be quite instable emotionally which doesn't exclude to radfems.41 Reply- +1 y
3 likes by guys, 2 dislikes by girls. Seems like I am quite spot-on with my analysis.
+1 yI'm not a fan of them because in my line of work (electrical construction) majority of the feminist tend to want special treatment and at the same time bitch about wanting to be treated the same for example most of us guys talk a lot of shit to each other for fun but a girl got one of my coworkers fired because him and his buddy we're joking about one of them most have sucked off the boss for getting a easy job that day and shit like that is why most guy don't like them let alone work with them because the have to sensor everything and can't be them selves for fear of job loss or political correctness or for the fact they are always hating on men
20 ReplyMost people don't actually know what feminism is about anymore so they just hate without any real reasoning, thought or understanding. It's much easier to spread hate than understanding, and so people hate what they don't know or understand. Not that feminism was ever accepted or celebrated by the majority of the populace.
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+1 yNot all men hate feminists. Many people are just ignorant on the subject and there are a lot of feminists that are a bit extreme so they automatically gave the movement a bad name. However its because people don't have a full understanding of womens issues either from a historical or world perspective. This is because many people practically live inside a bubble and never really place themselves in other people's shoes.
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+1 yUnfortunately most feminists usually have a chip on their shoulder. They come across as angry and hateful. That puts feminism in a very negative view. Also, they bitch and moan about feminism, but when it comes to making the first move in a dating situation, or picking up the check after a date, they get upset if the guy doesn't pay. So women should really learn what it means more then men.
00 Reply Feminism is a hate group, which quality is continually expressed in academia and over the media. Any one with any knowledge at all of feminism knows this. Feminists claim they support equality but instead practice hatred of men.
P. S. I have noticed a change in this group's attitude, now being very anti-male.10 Reply- 361 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yfeminists are worse than the boogey men they made up and we are sick of their shit. ialso dont like you're type of feminist either you live by the no true scottsman fallacy and dont really practice what you preach.
30 Reply In my life I try my best not to hate anyone, and that includes feminists. Even though I don't necessarily agree with everything they stand for, extreme feminists in particular, it doesn't mean that I hate them. Agree to disagree is something people need to learn in today's culture!
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+1 yfor me it´s easy: if they advocate "equality" why don´t they call themselfe "equalists" or something. as long as they´re called "fem" inists, i can´t take the equality claim seriously.
i bet you wouldn´t support a gender equality movement called "masculism" either...
no i don´t "hate" them but i simply do not agree with the name they chose.00 Reply
+1 yI don't hate anyone. I just find radical feminism to be stupid. Those people look pretty much like extreme religious fundamentalists. Actual feminism is good, but it only focuses on one aspect of a bigger picture. Human rights, we need to fix "human rights," and provide equal opportunity for everyone. Just because nobody is equal doesn't mean we can't have equal rights for everyone, it just means we aren't equal to each other because we're all unique individuals.
00 Reply434 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. Stop. Feminists aren't people who advocate equality among men and women, if they were then men wouldn't find it so disagreeable.
Men can see through the bullshit of "feminism". Real men want equality, but we don't want a bad deal.34 Reply- +1 y
How about the women who do agree with equality stop calling themselves feminist
. From now on I'm not a feminist, since the definition has completely been messed up. I dont want men to feel like women are against them because they refer to themself as feminist. - +1 y
Are you talking about calling yourself an egalitarian instead? I know more and more people using that term.
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI absolutely hate feminism because its a hate group, if you think its because they want equality its not true, they want men to feel bad thats all it is, women are not superior, they are not worst either and there is an in between, but to hate the other gender because you think that your gender should be superior is wrong
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+1 yI'm a feminist but I guess I'm not batshit crazy like the radical ones because I have mostly male friends and they dont disown me for being a feminist, they actually agree with some things I say I believe in on the cause.
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You are the type of feminist that I am. I think that men can agree with girls who are reasonable and not batshit. I wish the feminist who ARE batshit fmdidnt get so much of the spotlight.
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I'm pretty sure if the feminists like us were the ones getting all the publicity then people wouldn't be so aversive of us and would accept us.
+1 yI think feminism is a great group and just like any other group they have radicals who put out a bad image. I understand what you are saying, that women don't want special treatment over men, the core belief of feminism is to bring women power; I believe some times people abuse that power for more selfish reasons then not. I speak for equality of both sexes, not feminism nor Men's rights.
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+1 yI support the equality but don't want to label to one thing. Of curse I don't want equality in all the matters but have to reasonable. Feminist has a single question that if a men can do why woman can't do? What the hell is it mean?
Can you please produce sperm? Can I give child hearth? Men and wpoman are different bothe have different types of problems but if they join together they can over come each other problems very well.00 Reply- 604 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yfeminist=do not date
and feminists are mostly whiny women who don't get enough male atmtention playing the victim card.62 Reply- +1 y
No, feminist are people who stand up for serious issues. If a girl says she doesn't like when men dont like her makeup that doesn't make her a feminist
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feminists are girls who say drunk sex is rape but love sex at drunk frat parties, anddon't care that male rape victims have to pay child support to their convicted rapist.
+1 yYou're 17... you're better off staying out of this topic. It's not worth ruining your life with this crap.
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I dont see it as ruining my life. I dont see being a feminist as being at war against men like a lot of people might. I'm going to college this fall, and I want to find ways to stop people from hating feminists and not the crazy ones because we can't help but hate them. I mean the ones who love men. I know it might sound weird, but I thinks its my duty to help as much as a nun might see its her own duty. But I'm not the feminist who only agree with women. I'm turning the tables, I ahree with men. Todays version of a feminist is not being a feminist at all, and I want to stop that.
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" I mean the ones who love men"
What? - +1 y
Well i meant to say love men and women altogether not simply just love men lol
+1 yThis question has become like the female version of "is my dick big enough?".
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Lol how?
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Lol at the down vote
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I just see it a lot and tired of answering it.
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More seriously though I don't hate feminists I like them.
Feminists claim to be for equality for both men and women, but they never actually DO anything for men, nor do they stand up against the radical man-hating feminists.
So no, I don't like feminism. I consider myself an egalitarian.32 Reply
+1 yThe serious feminists I have read and met so far see the world as women vs. men, a zero sum game.
I'm never going to respect that.40 Reply@Iron_Man had the right idea no one really likes that hate group much and plus only a selected amount of people now these days are buying their snake oil I think : )
01 ReplyI'm a feminist myself, the feminists that most men hate are the radical ones that don't like men and want them to burn in hell.
10 ReplyI believe that women should be treated equally. My problem is when women exploit gender roles or stereo types in their favor. They shouldn't be able to cherry pick when they are treated equally and different.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI think this girl kind of sums it up nicely
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a10659-unmasking-feminism
So yes, we hate feminists.20 Reply
+1 yI'm not a feminist, though I do know some guys are anti
20 Reply654 opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic. It seem that many American guys dislike feminist coz they linked them to anti male.
If it is gender equality, i don't see why people should dislike them00 Reply- 2.6K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yHey, I'm all for equality, but the term "feminist" has developed a negative connotation of "man hater".
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+1 yYes, I hate feminists. They have ruined everything that was once good.
Feminists should be put in jail, deported, or killed. We should just send them to Australia, they wouldn't even notice.20 Reply - 1.6K opinions shared on Guy's Behavior topic.
+1 yNo, just the fanatic feminists are a pain in the ass. The true feminism fights for a good cause.
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I agree. The "fanatics" aren't true feminist. They advocate women getting special treatment. However, some femenist may seem like their overstepping their boundaries when they push for things that could level the playing field between men and women that might seem like its giving women the advantage. Like all the rules they put on guys at my college to prevent so many women from getting raped. Do you consider that fanatical as well? I'm not trying to contradict you if it sounds like i am by the way i just really want to know whats considered over the top and what isn't
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What are those rules? I think that they are fanatic if they consider all men as potential rapists, which is not true.
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"The fanatics aren't true feminists" = No true Scotsman Fallacy.
"No True Scotsman is a logical fallacy by which an individual attempts to avoid being associated with an unpleasant act by asserting that no true member of the group they belong to would do such a thing."
Additionally you want to look here: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman - +1 y
Im not saying "no true feminist could possibly be so blind" lol. Im saying, if a person were to accept a belief, such as a cristian accepting religion, they would know the difference between somebody who actually cared for the subject and those who simply want to pretend.
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Does it matter though? The entire religion will still be shaped from all participants. Just look at muslims. While by no means all muslims are radicals, there are more than enough who are and even more who don't speak up.
The same criticism is towards feminism. By excusing yourself out of the responsibility of claiming "those aren't true feminists", you give them free reigh and let them undergo the movement and corrupting it (which already happened quite a while ago).
Men are tired of being emasculated.
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+1 yi don't hate them, but i don't fully identify with them either. It really depends on how radical they are... but if you ask any feminists, they will claim to be one of the good ones so..
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI'm all for equal rights, but that's not what today's feminism is about anymore, no matter how loud you cry that it is.
Besides, I really don't need for it to be shoved into my face all the time, it's getting old.01 Reply- +1 y
I agree getting opinions shoved in your face does suck. But I think the way the word "feminist" is percieved is becoming something its not. Maybe the big groups of protesting so-called-feminist who hate men are overshadowing us femenist who actually love men and want to work with them, not against them but not behind them either. They might be pushing people away instead of trying to work together. Thanks your comment really helped me see what the problem is.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 ynot feminists as you described them. but some are what we call feminazis. i have met women who suggested that all men should provide a semen sample and be fully castrated after that when they are 13, and to not comply would be punishable by death. it is not that we hate feminists, but we do hate misandry and the belief that all men are evil or rapists, or that women are so far superior to men that there is little to justify our existence.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThey do actually. They only seek equality where it benifits women and ignore it when it benifits men. It is amazing people still try to legitimize feminism, when most people recognize it for what it is.
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+1 yThere are many issues about men that feminists never tend to touch on. Hard to take one seriously when they claim they're about 'equality.'
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yMany girls hate feminism too.
womenagainstfeminism. tumblr. com
I am one of them20 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI dont hate them, they are just really stupid sometimes. Woman and men differs a lot. Like men make shitty nurses woman makes shitty soldiers. Its just how biology is.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yNo, I don't trust them. They say one thing and do another. They are fanatics and lunatics.
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Lol. I'm a feminist and I dont think like that, or at least I try not to. I try to make a consious effort not take some kind of privelage in being female. I know the feminist who, like, go crazy on men because they dont have to experience periods can be annoying. I know! I also know that men go through problems that women can't even understand. But as a REAL feminist, I want to learn to understand.
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+1 ythat isn't a feminist, a feminist wants women to rule men. and no I don't like them
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