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I’m all for equality however, when the idea of equality is based off of ridiculous ideas then I’m not for it. Take manspreading for example. Some women think men sitting with their legs open is the rise of the patriarchy when in all honesty it’s because we have genitals down there that if we sit with our legs closed we are uncomfortable. I’m open to talk about gender wage gap and helping women get jobs that men mostly have but the crazy ideas make me not want to. (My opinion)
I don't hate feminism, but I typically just say I'm for gender equality. That way I'm supporting feminists who want gender equality, but not feminists who don't want gender equality. Some feminists have said some very awful stuff about men and I'd rather not associate myself with them
I think a lot of men get caught up in the generalisation... I. e all feminists = all women, so when they see a woman doing something a feminist would be against the brain goes "ahhh contradiction"
Take my post about "do you ask people out or wait" a few women said as they were women it was not up to them. Some Men see this and go "but thats not fair, you can't assume being a woman means you expect men to ask you out, I want girls to ask me out that's not equal..."
Because the most public feminist movements hate men
It has become a debate around the world whether men and women are equal. We have not tried to understood that they co exist. Men and women are complimentary to each other. Woman in some sense are different in biology than men as well as in terms of emotions. There is an unfortunate history where women were treated badly in past. But we should look in the issue in more broader way. Women shouldnot be in race with men but there strength should find in there own way
Sometimes even I hate feminism. There are girls who abuse it and have no idea what it really is and only makes it something awkard by others such as leaving armpit hairs
I like your way of thinking
It only takes spending a few minutes listening to a modern feminist's platform to realize they care less about equality and more about raising women to some specific societal status that they see fit of. They also talk about wanting "strong" women in society yet create controversy over how men sit in chairs or how a female character is dressed in a video game.
If there was a movement that said they were for equality and it was called WLM (white lives matter) , you think people of colour would approve of it?
No, and yet feminists question why men don't approve of the movement.
Feminism is not equality, it only looks at the female side.
That's why egalitarianism is a better idea.
1. The name is much more friendly for everyone
2. For equality, both men's and women's rights need to be worked on.
i'm not white and i wouldn't want that name.
I agree with you
Exactly, I want equality but I hope you can see why men wouldn't want it to be named feminism.
An equality movement shouldn't focus on just one gender. That's a recipe for inequality.
While some feminists may want to help men the movement as a whole just ignores our issues.
Leading question.
I think the better question is "what incentive has feminism given men to support it?"
Personally I think feminism has done a lot of positive things for women's rights and gender equality (although other factors are involved-- society in general is more accommodating to people's needs today than in the past, but I digress..)
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But I think a lot of feminist doctrine has becoming misguided in recent years. For some feminists, it seems equality wasn't enough, and now they want forced 50/50 equity across all strata of the workplace, in politics, and in society.
There are other issues with modern feminism-- which I've already spilled ink over on previous GaG posts so I won't get into them here.
So again, the question is "what has modern feminism done to bring modern men into the fold?" If you have a social or political cause you believe in, then the burden of proof is on you alone. You have to convince us of the value of your cause. Not the other way around. It's like if I wanted you to turn vegan, I wouldn't come on GaG and be like "why do so many meat eaters hate veganism?" And then list answers like "they hate animals and want them to suffer". I'd talk about how veganism improves my health, and how it might improve yours too. I'd talk about the reduced dependence on the meat industry, and how being a more informed consumer can make you feel more independent.
Oh and also, I have yet to meet a single feminist who can rationally explain to me the value of her position. I even posted in the r/feminism sub-reddit asking for a discussion with non-extreme feminists about what it is they do, and in response I got crickets. And yet every third post on that page is something bashing menor playing a victim role and it gets like 2k upvotes. I'm sure there are sensible feminists who want equality for both women AND men, but we just don't hear their voices. All we hear from are the 3rd/4th wave headcases who wanna spread victimhood and misandry. It doesn't make for a very compelling case of feminism's merits when that's all we're presented.
In the uk, a father dosen't have automatic rights to their child. So a mother can basically dictate everything about access and custody on a whim, and even when taken through courts they favour the mother in most cases.
When i see a feminist talking about true equality and how this inequality needs addressing, then i'll believe that feminism isn't just about getting whats best for women. Inequality in all forms needs addressing, not selectively based on what suits
Feminism has a long history of stating that they are working towards equality and lobying quietly for laws and regulations that are explicitly anti male. Lying to congress, creating policy that is explicitly unfair and when caught blaming the "patriarchy" for their own misdeeds.
Feminism™ only supports equality when single, fat, broke, & slutty women benefit from it.
Every other demographic is privileged and oppressors.
Under Feminism™ we need to increase taxes on the productive members of society in order to make things "equal"... (while ignoring the fact that triggered Susie is already paying NEGATIVE income taxes when you factor in the cost of welfare benefits she's inevitably consuming.)
Because Feminism is and always has been a hate movement base don deception. It uses half truths and double speak to push a radical hate agenda. BUT not all Feminists are bad people, plenty are good people who are being lied to, the term for that it "useful Idiots".
That is fact, plenty of evidence to support that claim. People have been making this exact same debate for about 100 years at least now. If you don't know this it's because you have not been looking hard or long enough.
Do you expect to have a real debate on the matter when you present the question in this immature way?
I'm looking for the option which is true, where feminism does not stand for equality and is but a veil for sexism, victimization complex and female entitlement.
The modern twisted version of feminism has nothing to do with equal rights and social standing. It's all about misandry, infantilizing women, authoritarianism, fearmongering, tearing men down instead of building women up, and double standards. Modern day "feminists" have taken a beautiful force for good and corrupted it in sn unbelievably awful manner. These people are making Susan B. Anthony and Betty Friedan turn over in their graves.
Spelling correction: an*
Egalitrianism is about equality of the sexes and I think everyone is in favour of that. The confusion creeps is because femanism is often and incorrectly used to mean egalitrianism. (Which if you think about is a bias towards women). Femanism is about promoting women above men which I think most women's and women would be against. So semantics is the answer.
The anti-SJW rabbit whole. It's a place that distorts reality and corrupts minds turning people into reactionaries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69obN625FjsFeminist are the worst kind of women lol. We’ve already reached social equality a while ago, and feminist are still pushing agendas that don’t need to be pushed. Their whole attitude is that they don’t need men. They’re just fine without men. And they have this delusion that they need to act masculine in an attempt to be equal. Biologically we will never be the same. They think otherwise. Why would a man want to date a woman like this? Give me one good reason lol.
"They’re just fine without men"
How are they telling us they don't need men when they are constantly promoting having sex with many men?
Because most men confuse feminists with feminazis.
As I see it feminists are for equality between men and women in every aspect of life, while feminazis are for the female over male dominion, and they express a negative attitude towards men. I think that's the reason why some men hate feminism- the confusion of the two types. And some men are just idiots.
Woman are whore who cheat the system and men to get ahead and rape them mentally emotionally and financially.
They use there only value their looks to get ahead they don't want to be equal only above but keep the double standards they like.
They ruin everything their apart of sports, ex lavar ball and that chick , games, anesea sarkeesian and video games , comics,, pop. culture in general
I dont believe that a single ideology should have a monopoly on women's rights. I respect the right to self determination of men and women. I dont think its necessary that gender quotas exist. Individual men and women dont have to be equal if they dont want to.
You go against what's against you. Feminism has done nothing to help men despite claiming to be for equality. It's actually been more of a burden for men, as they portray us as this collective that has no problems in life, disregarding any possible issue we might have. When you struggle like everyone else yet feminists say you're privilege and should pay for it, it's gonna create discomfort towards that movement, and in many cases, hatred.
I believe a lot of them are threatened by the information presented to them on the echo chambers they call social media. They only see the worst examples and believe that the large majority is exactly that.
The same way politics works to demonize the "other side".
Non of the vote choices.
We don’t have a problem with feminism and feminists.
I personally support them.
But the problem is in exaggerating things.
They mostly tend to exaggeration and when exaggerated things they thought the facing opposite opinions as problems or they are against them.
Disagreement doesn’t mean it’s against you or your idea.
Thanks
Because they bully and hate men. They think every man who approaches them has some kind of diabolical plot formed in order to get in their pants, so everything you say to them whether it's respectful or disrespectful, you're the scum of the earth. That's why I hate them, and my god there are a ton of them 😭 .
They are sluts. They want men in their pants
@Милашка Not all feminists are alike. There's feminists who REFUSE to have sex with any men until they change their behavior. If a man were to change traits that make him a man, there's a problem. If you attack men for peaking at your breasts, even though you're showing cleavage, you're the problem, not him.
If you dont like your melons attracting men, where a turtle neck. My point is, is that feminists bitch about everything when it comes to men. Their sole purpose is to degrade and bash men.
See I believe you should, have equal rights in general I treat women as supior because I like it. But I've had women get mad for me holding doors Or complimenting them. Then, there's also women who, want more than equal right they want all the good with none of the bad side. I've yet too hear a women say she's ok with signing up to be drafted into war
I’d choose OTHER if it was available. People don’t understand feminism, they listen to memes and incel MGTOW blabberish and other far right shite. It’s about having a fair shake. It’s not porn femdom or about about reducing a man’s rights. It’s about a fair shake.
Ostensibly.
A MGTOW or incel down vote lol
Because they're sane.
Feminists hate men and masculinity, so there is no point in supporting it as a male. Absolute none.
Feminism is not equality, egalitarianism is. Feminism is just female priorization.
A for me, i dislike feminism because it is the tribalistic ingroup that attempts to destroy the strength / opportunities of men and women in an attempt to make them more equal. And that is not the kind of equality i support.
For me, I hate feminism because it's a movement for insecure women, and is mostly full of priveleged white women. It also has a racist history.
Fear leads to hate: slowly they start hating men.
@ManOnFire Yup, in my experience they're usually an unattractive woman who was hurt by a man and like to blame everything on ALL men or the patriarchy - they're no better than Islamic extremists by seeing the world black and white without understanding that you or I had nothing to do with their pain...
@Inbox Yeah, they seem to have an attitude similar to white supremacists.
I'm sorry, ye majesty, if any of us inferior worthless males have commented on any of your holy godgiven virtues *bows a dozen times*
jeez...
what the hell do you feminists claim to judge in our society? If you really want gender equality, you better call your movement equalism.
I support equality.
I do support both men and women.
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What I dislike is the sense of superiority over each other.
That's where the love dies and hatred grows.
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You live your life, I'll live mine.
Nothing to lose.
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For the One's should drag this into relationships," my husband controls me, my wife controls me!"
Keep that within your house and talk to each other.
Relationship is all about UNDERSTANDING.
💩💞🎶
Maybe because modern feminism is nothing more than a man hating movement which goal is to spot everything men can enjoy and take it from them?
That feminists spend their time attacking men, making them responsible for everything bad in the world, and want to reduce their freedom to the minimum?
I think most of the backlash comes from America/Islamic and certain Hispanic cultures. A lot of parents think it would make girls promiscuous because a lot of feminists are sex positive types so they teach their sons that it’s bad. I think a lot of guys are taught by their parents to fear female sexuality I know I was but naturally I saw a bigger world view.
Well if you dont have morals, can't treat me right and give me a family then you are not worth any romantic interest. Well except to pump and dump.
Feminism tells women to have no morals, treat men like shit, and dont have kids. Its basically ruining relationships by making women worthless.
Yeah i hate it. I want to get married and have a family and be proud of my wife. Looks like an impossible task.
This 5th wave of feminism is no more about equality, it has began to be radical with men hating. Clearly I am against raping and sexual assult like all people, but for example, men are afraid to start a conversation/flatter and compliment women because apparently everything is offending nowadays and hence chivalry is dying.
Even the etymology of the word itself means pro-women. Feminism has never been about equality, it has always been about women's rights. The only equality thing feminism achieved in my eyes is the equal pay act. By the way, the wage gape is a myth for those that don't know.
Besides, it's a movement that cares more about "looking good" and shaming others than actually accomplishing anything good.
It's not just men. Most women don't identify with feminism either. Only 18% of Americans, male and female, identify as feminist. And not many British either.
I was a feminist for most of my life until a woman showed me I shouldn't be.
Generally the agenga pursued behind the word 'feminism' is more on the side of misandry than it's on the equal rights movement side. Nevertheless, I don't think that most of us hate it. It seems a little disoriented as of now but I hope it will find the right purpose in the near future
Because today's feminism does not seek equality, as it claims it does. Today's feminism is sexist, toxic and divisive. It fosters an us-versus-them mentality that has driven a wedge between men and women and created a lot of damage that will take decades to repair, if it can be repaired at all.
Well with third or fourth wave feminism.. It seems more like men shaming in a lot of guys eyes.. And a few loud women whinin over some trivial things..
Because they don't understand it. They believe the objective of the movement is to put women above men, and use every instance of it being represented incorrectly to say "see? It's wrong and stupid"
They don't - only a large percentage of men on this website and in uneducated areas of the United States do. And probably in Russia too. In real life, most educated young men don't have a problem with it.
There is a big difference between feminism and misandry
One is empowering women by encouraging them to be strong while at the same time treating the opposite gender with respect and equality
The other is empowering women by treating the opposite gender with hate making them think that they better than them through negative stereotypes
Many people misunderstand misandry with feminism
It's not your fault feminism, it's mine. I'm just not ready for that kind of relationship right now. We can still be friends... I'll call ya... text ya sometime in the future... keep an eye out for a postcard... see ya.
What if this is in your mind? Haate is a strong word.. Also can you be a little more specific, as is this in regards to feminism in all bounds or feminist men?
Because I was once called “sexist” for holding a door open & saying “Ladies first!”
For many other men, I’m sure they’ve suffered much worse just for having good intentions. We hear or read about it every day now because of modern feminism 😒😒😒
Because it is an anti white scam. Feminism has no criticism for nonwhite cultures treatment of women, It is just a movement weaponized by Jews against white countries, to plunge our birthrates, encourage women to have careers instead of families, be sluts, and reject their natural feminine roles. And everyone knows goddamn well only White women have this bullshit pushed on then.
In my opinion, men love power. With equality men will likely to have less power than usual. But in my case, i just hate a feminist who think that all men is that bad. A woman who think that we get what we get because of our gender. In my defence, not everything is about the gender
Personally, I just don't recognize much of feminism's narrative. I feel like feminists often have a charicatured idea of what it is like to be male, and that their distorted worldview informs their often unhelpful policy ideas.
They're afraid that, when given equal opportunities, women will outdo them 😋
Bullcrap
If women would outdo men, why do women need to be "given" opportunities then? If they're so good, can't they make their own? That's what men do. Was Bill Gates handed Microsoft? No, he made his own opportunities and founded it himself and now there's a push for him and other companies to give major roles to women because they're not capable of doing anything on their own.
@Tru-陳 Exactly. Nailed it.
They confuse it with man hating. I’m a feminist and I’m in favor of equality. Equality in rights and in opportunity and in treatment.
So that means equal prsion sentences
Correct
Modern feminism (in the USA anyway) has nothing to do with equality. That's why everyone hates it.
@11:57 I think she sums it up well. Also why is she outside in the rain?
Feminism is illiberal, that’s why.
Moreover, I have to be picky about the word equality. I want equality under the law, not *sameness* or *equity*. I want the freedom that equality under the law protects. This is not something I see from feminism.
Cause it's gone to a level to which it's not respectable.. most feminists I've been around talks about how men ain't shit. They are absolute trash, and good for nothing.. there is not room for that type of thinking in this world
The only men who hate feminism are stupid sexist religious nuts who want to control women
Many countries need feminism like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Uganda, etc
Or men that aren't brainwashed like you. Cute you point out Russia. If you knew anything about it instead of being a drone you'd know how bad men have it there in comparison to women
Why Russia? how are the women there?(I am asking for my curiosity)
Russia is a backwards country. They think that it is still the 18th century on social issues
What have you read, we just don't want to be serving women just because we are men.
Yes, they need feminism to get women their equal rights as humans but not farther.
Four religious weirdos got triggered lol
I am not religious, I am atheist at purest
And you are immature asshole with no skills of critical media reading
1. I'm agnostic
2. You can't count cuz there are only 3 different people (one was just asking for an example)
3. You still didn't give an example for Russia (probably cuz you can't)
Yup, you're just a brainwashed little simp. Not surprised you can't actually come up with anything
Sorry for my rude language, please don't report me for getting annoyed from your nonsense
@Expecto_patronads Russia is a backwards country
They support traditional social views. Man, there are a lot of triggered snowflakes on here
@Expecto_patronads 5 downvotes by snowflakes
Wow. That was so weak.
"Hurrr America is racist because they are racist"
That's the sexism equivalent of the argument you just made. Give an EXAMPLE dipshit. That's why you got 5 downvotes. You made the most pitiful case ever.
"They stand for traditional social views" so that means women are oppressed there? Goddamn I don't think I've ever encountered someone on here less competent than you and I'm not just saying that I actually mean that. That was literally the worst argument I've ever read, and just recently I saw some dude trying to make the case that sleeping with a black prostitute is a hate crime. Good job idiot
@Expecto_patronads Did I triggered you lol
Maybe go to Russia, because you seem like Russia while I hate Russia. They backwards and old fashioned. It is like Saudi Arabia there. The world is better off without Russia or Saudi Arabia
@Especto_patronads He's got a point, check the facts.
@NorthwestRider I actually researched the gender inequality in Russia, unlike you clearly. If you think it's ANYTHING like Saudi Arabia, you're a fucking dumbass, which you already proved. Women don't get stoned in Russia for being raped. Women are allowed to drive cars in Russia. Women in Russia make up a larger percentage of their government than women in AMERICA do. Brainwashed little puppy boy. That's all you are. Keep making an ass out of yourself.
@aleksi_siltala10 shut the fuck up. Men in Russia get significantly harsher punishment than women. Men in Russia are expected to DIE for women. Being a woman in Russia is a breeze. There is no right men have in Russia that women don't. Comparing it to Saudi Arabia would constitute you as mentally handicapped
How would I have known that, it just seems to be so wrong place in so many ways
Don't tell me to check the facts then if you yourself don't know what they are 🖕
@Expecto_patronads Why are you soo triggered lol
Clearly you do not know that Russia is not a modern western country. They are far behind countries like the USA, Sweden, the Netherlands, UK, etc
Because he is also immature
What's clear is you haven't actually researched anything. You're also a pussy that thinks that when countries intentionally push for all female governments like Sweden, that's considered equality. Go get castrated
Researcher like you should know how to behave still..
@aleski_siltala10 1. Wasn't talking to you
2. You're just as dense as NorthwestRider so I don't want to hear shit from you.
3. You called him an immature asshole early, hypocrite prick. Why are you still even here? You're not even on topic
@NorthwestRider is that all you're capable of saying? You have yet to make a single point you just repeat the same 3 things
1. Triggered
2. Russia is backward
3. You don't know what you're talking about
And when USA is lying about everything they like and Russia is lying as well, how is it possible to know the truth about women's rights on Russia without very deep and wide research?
@aleski_siltala10 why the fuck are you still talking to me even though you blocked me. Are you done yet? Fuck off already.
@aleski_siltala10 as far am I'm concerned you have nothing left to contribute
I was not talking to you anymore and I thought I wouldn't see your new opinions anymore
"researcher like you should know how to behave still.."
"And when USA is lying about everything they like and Russia is lying as well, how is it possible to know the truth about women's rights on Russia without very deep and wide research?"
All obviously directed at me. Man up and stop fucking lying
First one was, but second one was my reason of defending NorthwestRider's argument
I am not questioning that research, but no normal person can access such data easily and understand. Also internet has no truth to tell.
It's annoying these days. It sometimes just ruins the moment. Things like consent in romance during initial stages etc. Oh gawd I'm gonna be hated. Wish I was Tony Stark! Throws the phone 'bill me'
What’s your issue with consent?
Issue: verbal consent / Not an Issue : Non Verbal Consent
As a woman I’m just saying that I think it would definitely make me more attracted to a man if early on he asks for consent, for our first kiss and every time we do anything sexual related.
Individual opinion or opinion of minority can't talk for the masses. As a woman yeah. Cool! May the nice guys fall at your premise. As for Women.. ah hell no. Can I kiss you? Is it okay if you can la la la la la? sounds pretty needy, cringeworthy to me. Definitely kills the romance or the sexual tension.
Needy? Consent has to be given for any sexual act to occur. It’s not just me that feels that way, I know lots of women who feel the same as I do. Then there are some who feel the same about it that you do. Consent is a big issue for a lot of people, and many people are afraid to ask because they think they’ll be rejected and they think it kills the moment. And also there’s the point that if you don’t ask for consent and just do something... It’s sexual assault
Hahaha couldn't help but notice that.. Rejection! If you're that concerned about it. go ahead and speak for yourself rather than being afraid of rejection. Just because you a scared of rejection doesn't mean a man's gotta consent intent whateva. Yeah bring in the law to tame men into getting consent and what not.
And all the guys who go talk consent on the internet. Go practice and see in real life without crying in the end.
I’m not saying I’m afraid of rejection... I’m saying a lot of men don’t like to ask for consent because they’re afraid of rejection. And if you just kiss a woman who isn’t even you’re partner without consent, it’s sexual assault. If you have sex with a woman without her consent, it’s rape. Sorry this pill is so hard for you to swallow because you might have done both before, but it’s the truth. I’m not attacking you, I’m just saying consent really does make the world a better place. I’ve got friends whose first kiss was stolen from them because guys didn’t ask for consent first. It really sucks
Looks like you're pretty judgmental after all. You are afraid of Rejection and To make you feel any better every one is.. including me (afraid of rejection). Forcing someone to kiss or sex is bad although it's Pretty wild in the later stage of relationship hahah just kidding. Maybe. Chuckles* I'm clearly not okay with forcing people for anything being kiss, sex or whatever. That brings me whatever pill it is.. Not everyone is meant for it. Some prefer the red and some the blue. However I do not buy yours boo.
I am afraid of rejection, but that’s not why I’m here. And it’s never okay to force anyone to do anything, especially forcing them to do a sexual act with you. Even when you’re married you shouldn’t force your partner... Or anyone. It’s wrong
Fear's a bitch. Under no circumstances make it turn you into one. I love women and I'm just messing with you the whole time. You have the rest of your day good 😉
Sincerely,
An archer
I’m so glad to hear that. Have a nice day.
i voted a because i think most times they just dont understand it though this is also true of many women
Most people hate feminism because it portrays women as better than men, when nobody is better than others/ No sex, race, culture is better than another.