TBH it wasn't until I took Master's level gender studies class that I developed an understanding for and sympathy towards feminism. Until about three years ago, feminists for me were predominantly white middle class entitled women who wanted men to stop manspreading. They were writing cringeworthy pieces in the Guardian complaining about male privilege.
Then I took said gender studies class, read Judith Butler and several other authors talking about women in LDCs, inequality, FGM etc. It made more sense. Equally, how comparably small amounts of gender inequality in countries like Britain and France can effect LDCs is tremendous, via prioritisation of development aid.
Also we shouldn't be forced to give aid to other countries. Let the free market decide what regions are worth investing in... otherwise you're just forcing everyone to make a bad investment.
@BreakingSound Ah yeah, fair enough. It's just men circumcising their male infants. There's no such thing as mothers, they don't exist and have no responsibility. Makes sense.
@BreakingSound "Your bullshit". Yep, that's what I thought. I gathered you were a sexist by your first comment and now you've just come back to confirm it. Apparently because I'm a guy, I'm automatically responsible for what other men do.
No where did I explicitly blame women. You're the only one who wants single out genders. You implied only fathers have a hand in their son's circumcision. I simply pointed out that mother's also have equal responsibility for their child's welfare.
@Kkaos I’m not sexist for pointing out sexist bullshit, dude. Circumcision male or female, originated in heavily patriarchal societies where women were literally property, and you and this other dude can fuck right off with your false equivalency bullshit.
@BreakingSound You're absolutely right. There are still a bunch of retarded men out there who think cutting infant's dicks off is an okay thing to do.
Also, here's some news... lately they've been looking into undoing the federal ban on FGM for religious reasons because it's unconstitutional. They dropped charges on doctors who practiced FGM in the state of Michigan. www.nytimes.com/.../...genital-mutilation-law.html
@BreakingSound Lol. I'm not talking about who the first person was to do it or what society was like back then. All I've done is point out that mother's and father's are both responsible in today's society.
Not only that, but I'll also add that many studies show a trend in women preferring circumcision, both in their chosen sexual partner and their children. But again, let's ignore all that and just put the blame on fathers and me as well, because I'm a guy (even though I don't support it but let's just ignore that). Yep, you're not sexist at all :)
Feminism is not about equality. It's not fair to girls or guys as it pushes women to all act or be a certain way and disregards or shames the problems men face.
It's honestly as simple as that, although I can further expand if you feel it's not clear what I mean by this. It's also not just men that hate it, many women do too. It would have a bigger, growing following if it was as virtuous as it makes itself out to be.
All in all, I want to say that men and women are indeed different. However, our differences are not something we should be ashamed of or minimize to an indistinguishable extent. They are important to our identity as men and women and should be accepted and appreciated even if we can't always perfectly stand in one another's shoes.
Well its fairly apparent that feminism does not want equality as they have actively fought against equality since its inception. The fact that feminism also claims men are the enemy and are to be blamed for literally everything while simultaneously infantilizing women by acting as if women cannot be held accountable for their own actions and behaviors, is also a reason why so many men hate feminism. Also, in addition to all that the fact that we can statistically and legally show that women have more rights then men and that men are the ones suffering in every single category with, as far as I can tell, no exception, while women have it better in all catagories, again, as far as I can tell, with out exception is yet another reason.
Because feminism has got a bad name. These days, people think it means hating men and thinking women are better. In my opinion, it’s not really equality when you protest for women’s rights but not for men’s rights (even if women have it worse)
I know this is an unpopular opinion but I think it’s stupid to try and make women the same as men. Yes, they should have equal rights but men and women are different. There is stuff men can’t do but women can and nobody is protesting against that
It’s sad that we live in world where say men and women are different is wrong. But then again the world at one point thought it was ok to kill all Jews and that black people weren’t humans and that witches should be burn alive. So I guess we shouldn’t be surprised
Oh dear, you think men loved it in past when feminists advocated female education? You really think when feminists started to request families to send their daughters to school, men welcomed them with flower gardens and happily sent their daughters there? No dear, men would kick their wives out when they found out that they can read.
What feminist advocates for female education? All feminists do is whine and make up shit to make men look awful, just like you just made shit up to portray how men are bad people who hate their daughters.
Maybe your father hates you but I can assure you most men love their daughters and want the best for them. Maybe it's just a Bengali thing?
And your profile says you're in a relationship? I'm assuming you're a lesbian in a relationship with a woman? I mean it makes sense because why would you be with a man when men are so awful and make your lives miserable and would never send your daughter to school.
@Unit1 I'm just being honest! Men never ever welcomed any idea of women empowerment ever. World War may have changed a few things but even today men are too intimidated by women and scared of losing their control over women.
@Unit1 do some fucking research on history of female education in the Indian Subcontinent before throwing remarks at me. Then come back and tell me who was wrong.
Women shouldn't be educated or vote. See what happens? The slippery slope has come true. Give an inch and they take a mile. How did we go from reading and voting to manspreading and common divorce? Well i can tell you how. Its womens nature to destroy and they are not capable of leading unchecked they will always go off the deep end.
@SentientBrick like men never welcoming feminism. When afterwards they got what they wanted in the first world countries. Or there weren't any male feminists.
Equality, equality, equality, they just want equality.
Though, in many regards women have it much better than men. Many more men are homeless than women, yet do we hear "we need less homeless men," or even "we need more homeless women?" Nope!
The movement is about increasing the quality of life for women, it doesn't give a shit about men even though it pretends to in order to appear righteous and more legitimate.
So I hate 21st-century feminist, they skew stats in there favor like the wage gap they don’t want equal rights as men (e. g men in the United States have to sigh up for the draft but feminist would be outraged if anyone suggested that) it’s not about equality or the right to vote anymore it’s just playing Insanity in my opinion the me to movement has gone out of control end it does nothing but hurt women and then they advocate for a trans people in sports not realizing that that that would curb any opportunities for actual women and sports I could continue
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My older brother likes to point out that men built this world. Men built everything and women didn't build anything. Now women are trying to take it all. He also pointed out how men and women lived back in the 1950s was way better. They didn't have the problems like what we have today. Men went to work and when they came home they just ate dinner, they didn't help the wife. The wife did everything in the house and took care of the kids. My brother thinks life was better back then. But now feminism messed everything up and ruined it for all the guys and made women into crazy bitches. My brother wants to go to Europe and marry a woman there because he believes they still have that old mentality.
Your brother is an idiot if he really believes women have not built anything. The first solar house was literally designed and built by three women in the 1940's.
Your brother is cherry picking information to support his views. I'm no fan of third wave feminism but I do think we've made great strides for equality since the 1950s. It just seems 2010 onward feminism has been doing more harm than good for relations between the sexes. At least in perspective it has.
@SentientBrick the 1950s was far better. Women today aren't worth marrying. You can have sex and kids with many women not just one. You dont even have to earn an income to support a family. There are literally no requirements for men any more. And its because there are no women worth a damn to bother being a decent man for. So yeah i agree we made great strides in equality but at the expense of women because now they are not valued anymore. And it makes men depressed and bitter because men want to be responsible and have good families but its a losing proposition these days.
Why men have a problem with women want to work and have a career? You can be a good wife and also can go out and work. Sorry but being housewife is fucking borimg and is not a life
@bamesjond0069 Plenty of women are good wife material now days. You could have sex and kids with many women in the 1950s as well it was just more frowned upon. You need money to actually support a family period. What were the "requirements" in the 1950s how are they diffrent to the average man now days? I'd argue women are still highly valued it just that men are not as valued or respected as they were in the 1950s (thanks 3rd wave feminism). I do agree mens loss of purpous and sense responsibility has resulted in a terrible increase in depression and suicide. I'm at a loss as to how we fix such a problem. The media and SJWs seem to revel in or at least not care about this issue. They also seem quite effective in supressing or stopping any changes that might help men who are struggling.
@SentientBrick you could then sure but today its completely accepted and normal. Also many many women would not tolerate that sort of men. Today almost nobody waits till marriage when that was still maybe not a majority even in the 50s it was common and idealized. Today its celebrated for a woman to have slept with 50 men and have 3 kids with 3 different men.
I think its good sometimes to step back and realize how diffrent what the media and Hollywood try to rationalize as normal and what the average person thinks is normal. Id argue that most people don't think a "50 person body count" and having kids with different fathers is healthy or normal despite what the media says. I do agree sex before marriage is much more common now days and it does have some negitive effects. Though I cannot place blame on feminism exclusively : contraceptives, sex education and porn are much more wide spread now days. Making people baving sex safer, better educated, and more common.
@bamesjond006 wtf is your problem. Why can't a man stay at home and care for childreen. Why is always expected from women? Sorry but a man should not call himself a father if he can't care for childreen.
And wtf do you value if you can't care for yoursef and expect from a woman to cook, to clean the house and care for childreen. These days many women work. So that is why a man have to do housechores, cook etc. do. I dont want someone lazy
@shinka1y234 well im not a lazy load like most men. I earn in the top 1% of income. I dont need a sugar mama to bring home a check. A woman paycheck has no meaning to me will not help me in any way at all. Its completely irrelevant.
@bamesjond0069 So... according to you, men who stay home and care for kids are lazy. So wouldn't that then make a woman lazy if that's what she does? How does having a vagina not make you lazy but a penis does?
@Shuri no i dont think its lazy. But you know men can't birth children and most women are naturally inclined to do caring and home activities and most men are naturally inclined to be emotionally detached dealing with the external world so that they can do whatever is necessary to support their family. Hey if a girl can pull in 6 figures and can find a good house husband sure that would be just fine. This almost never happens in real life though for various reasons. It is not functional to have two career people and no caring house maker nor is it functional to have two home makers and nobody to pay the bills.
Plenty of women are good wife material now days. You could have sex and kids with many women in the 1950s as well it was just more frowned upon. You need money to actually support a family period. What were the "requirements" in the 1950s how are they diffrent to the average man now days? I'd argue women are still highly valued it just that men are not as valued or respected as they were in the 1950s (thanks 3rd wave feminism). I do agree mens loss of purpous and sense responsibility has resulted in a terrible increase in depression and suicide. I'm at a loss as to how we fix such a problem. The media and SJWs seem to revel in or at least not care about this issue. They also seem quite effective in supressing or stopping any changes that might help men who are struggling.
Because it isn't feminism, it's cultural Marxism. It is intended to redistribute social power from supposed oppressors to the supposedly oppressed. This is accomplished by discriminating against the oppressor class. Women get sucked into the class warfare narrative without realizing it's true source as it's disguised by the term "feminism" rather than Marxism. If you want to know what is wrong, listen to this when you're driving or something. It will give you a feel for the warped ideology at work here and why it is having such a bad effect.
Because there is nothing there that serves them. Third wave feminism is about hating men, gaining power and control over them. The majority of both genders just isn't buying it, don't agree or support it. In the beginning it was all fine, everybody was for that, voting, equal pay, opportunity, choices, that's all great. When it got to 'we don't need no stinkin' men' then it failed. Some women tend to go to extremes. We simply avoid them. They have cats. Or horses, depending on how rich they are. LOL
Why do so many women hate men? That's the real question. An actual answer to your question is that 3d wave feminism is purely and simply useless in most respects. If you can name me a single right afforded to men that isn't afforded to women in the west in 2019 point it to me and good luck. As for the rest a quasi totality of men believe that women have the right to express themselves, have the right to vote, the right to do as they like with their lives. But it's not what feminism stands for today and by the way 40% of women in the world today are not ready to call themselves feminists. Modern feminism wants to see equality of outcome regardless of an existing equality of opportunity. It victimizes women by telling them they are still oppressed and also strive on killing the feminine image and encouraging women to hate men and everything that males stand for.
We hate feminists, not necessarily feminism as a concept. But when we think of feminism we of feminists. And when we think if feminists we invision (rightfully so) a bitchy woman complaining about how "oppressed" she is even though she literally has a better life than most people both make or female. Its rare to find a low income feminist. They are usually middle class whores who whine about the way men sit and the temperature of the office they work at instead of the fact that there is a homeless epidemic in this country (predominantly men) and a suicide rate that's steadily increasing. A suicide rate also dominated by men.
Feminism isn't about equality. It's about entitlement and getting an excuse for acting like a cunt. Now to clarify, we are all entitled to basic things but these women have that already and more. Many in America don't, their voices get ignored while these privileged bitches scream bloody murder about the non-existent patriarchy.
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Based on the comments I've seen on here, some men feel entitled to a standard of gender expression and gender roles that has been replaced and no longer applies. They dont view their outdated standard as unfair, marginalizing, or misogynistic, and they wouldn't hurt women if they understood that is what their views are doing, but that's the crux of the point: they dont understand.
We are characters, not props. Without even realizing it, so many sexually frustrated young men and old fashioned old men fundamentally misunderstand that women are people!
Well you dont understand mens perspective at all. Women who dont behave in a more traditional way are 100% worthless to men. So its fine if you want men to think you have no value but then of course when men treat you like just another man, y'all bitch and moan about boo hoo he didn't call me back after sex or he didn't treat me like a lady. Hint its because you aren't a lady and men who do that dont value you.
@bamesjond0069 fucking idiot, so you think its alright to be violent and treat people like garbage just because you can. Oh well then if your face is punchable enough then people have the right punch it
@Underworld158 how is having strictly casual sex treating them like garbage if they are feminists? Feminists believe casual sex is healthy and normal and good? y'all become prudes all of a sudden? And who mentioned violence? Are you drunk?
It's because feminists are annoying, gross, and pathetic and try to get their point across by disrespecting men and treating them like they are beneath women or something instead of spreading their so-called "equality".
A true femeninst fight for equal rights. But many do it to hate men, and many do it and are hypocrite. Like a couple with a kid breaks up but 9 out of 10 times the mother gets the full rights to the kids even if the father is fully capable and interested in having the kids. That's not equal. Even a 50/50 setup is not even truly 50/50 but 49/51 where the mother have the 51. Also go to a woman's public toilet and there is a changing room for the kid, go to a men's and there is not. Parental leave is in the favour for the woman and quite often not the man. A femeninst would fight for the right for men to have the same rights when it come to kids. A man hater would not care and dare to call them self a femeninst. Men to get abused and raped and mistreated, not just woman. A true femeninst know that.
Where to begin. Feminists constantly claim that women don't have equal rights. They do and then some. Not a single feminist can point out a right women don't have but men do. Their attempt to rewrite history , making it seem as if women were the eternal victims of men, while ignoring the millions and millions of men that were sacrificed in wars, massacred in genocides, and died to get us to where we are today. "Teach men not to rape" was a thing. As if men aren't constantly told to never put hands on a woman from our infancy. Changing language to erase word that have man/men in them ( manpower, policeman, fireman, etc). Constantly being told we have male privilage , usually by women who have had better education and are now sitting in nice air-conditioned offices complaining how hard they have it.
Men sitting with their legs slightly apart is oppressive , explaining something to a woman is oppressive, earning more money bcs we work longer hours is oppressive and so on
People see right through the front and gaslighting. An other is people that needs something to define them instead of being themselves, creating their own rules. Narrow minded people. Mental issues. One sided. Sexism. Focus in the wrong places. ...
It's to many red flag's about that movement and little to easy to see what really is happening. The same goes for people that says they are.
The funny thing is that you have a few categories of humans that becomes. still haven't stumbled into anyone that deviates from that.
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TBH it wasn't until I took Master's level gender studies class that I developed an understanding for and sympathy towards feminism. Until about three years ago, feminists for me were predominantly white middle class entitled women who wanted men to stop manspreading. They were writing cringeworthy pieces in the Guardian complaining about male privilege.
Then I took said gender studies class, read Judith Butler and several other authors talking about women in LDCs, inequality, FGM etc. It made more sense. Equally, how comparably small amounts of gender inequality in countries like Britain and France can effect LDCs is tremendous, via prioritisation of development aid.
I think FGM should be legal as long as MGM is still legal. For equality.
Also we shouldn't be forced to give aid to other countries. Let the free market decide what regions are worth investing in... otherwise you're just forcing everyone to make a bad investment.
@mateynine As long as men want to circumcise their male infants, it’s going to keep happening.
@BreakingSound Ah yeah, fair enough. It's just men circumcising their male infants. There's no such thing as mothers, they don't exist and have no responsibility. Makes sense.
@Kkaos It wasn’t women who decided mutilating dicks would be a swell thing to do. Dunno why you’re blaming us for your bullshit.
@BreakingSound "Your bullshit". Yep, that's what I thought. I gathered you were a sexist by your first comment and now you've just come back to confirm it. Apparently because I'm a guy, I'm automatically responsible for what other men do.
No where did I explicitly blame women. You're the only one who wants single out genders. You implied only fathers have a hand in their son's circumcision. I simply pointed out that mother's also have equal responsibility for their child's welfare.
@Kkaos I’m not sexist for pointing out sexist bullshit, dude. Circumcision male or female, originated in heavily patriarchal societies where women were literally property, and you and this other dude can fuck right off with your false equivalency bullshit.
@BreakingSound You're absolutely right. There are still a bunch of retarded men out there who think cutting infant's dicks off is an okay thing to do.
Also, here's some news... lately they've been looking into undoing the federal ban on FGM for religious reasons because it's unconstitutional. They dropped charges on doctors who practiced FGM in the state of Michigan.
www.nytimes.com/.../...genital-mutilation-law.html
@BreakingSound Lol. I'm not talking about who the first person was to do it or what society was like back then. All I've done is point out that mother's and father's are both responsible in today's society.
Not only that, but I'll also add that many studies show a trend in women preferring circumcision, both in their chosen sexual partner and their children. But again, let's ignore all that and just put the blame on fathers and me as well, because I'm a guy (even though I don't support it but let's just ignore that). Yep, you're not sexist at all :)
@Kkaos Well that's also just based on what's popular. Girls prefer whatever the norm is. Circumcision is seen as weird in Europe.
@mateynine Yeah, you're right.
Feminism is not about equality. It's not fair to girls or guys as it pushes women to all act or be a certain way and disregards or shames the problems men face.
It's honestly as simple as that, although I can further expand if you feel it's not clear what I mean by this. It's also not just men that hate it, many women do too. It would have a bigger, growing following if it was as virtuous as it makes itself out to be.
All in all, I want to say that men and women are indeed different. However, our differences are not something we should be ashamed of or minimize to an indistinguishable extent. They are important to our identity as men and women and should be accepted and appreciated even if we can't always perfectly stand in one another's shoes.
Well its fairly apparent that feminism does not want equality as they have actively fought against equality since its inception. The fact that feminism also claims men are the enemy and are to be blamed for literally everything while simultaneously infantilizing women by acting as if women cannot be held accountable for their own actions and behaviors, is also a reason why so many men hate feminism. Also, in addition to all that the fact that we can statistically and legally show that women have more rights then men and that men are the ones suffering in every single category with, as far as I can tell, no exception, while women have it better in all catagories, again, as far as I can tell, with out exception is yet another reason.
Because feminism has got a bad name. These days, people think it means hating men and thinking women are better. In my opinion, it’s not really equality when you protest for women’s rights but not for men’s rights (even if women have it worse)
Most women are feminist because Beyoncé said she was a feminist
Ahaha true. Beyoncé is a respectful and respectable feminist though 💓
No one should be a feminist, that’s like advocating for female supremacy
I know this is an unpopular opinion but I think it’s stupid to try and make women the same as men. Yes, they should have equal rights but men and women are different. There is stuff men can’t do but women can and nobody is protesting against that
It’s sad that we live in world where say men and women are different is wrong. But then again the world at one point thought it was ok to kill all Jews and that black people weren’t humans and that witches should be burn alive. So I guess we shouldn’t be surprised
Oh dear, you think men loved it in past when feminists advocated female education? You really think when feminists started to request families to send their daughters to school, men welcomed them with flower gardens and happily sent their daughters there? No dear, men would kick their wives out when they found out that they can read.
Men never welcomed feminism and they never will.
What feminist advocates for female education? All feminists do is whine and make up shit to make men look awful, just like you just made shit up to portray how men are bad people who hate their daughters.
Maybe your father hates you but I can assure you most men love their daughters and want the best for them. Maybe it's just a Bengali thing?
And your profile says you're in a relationship? I'm assuming you're a lesbian in a relationship with a woman? I mean it makes sense because why would you be with a man when men are so awful and make your lives miserable and would never send your daughter to school.
What a god awful joke.
@ThisGuyDucks read some history you'll know what I mean 😊
I'm familiar with history and I know enough to say you're an idiot who hates men.
Bitter much? There have been and are male feminists. Ultimately men have women what they wanted. Just not in your region yet.
Men gave women what they wanted*
@ThisGuyDucks nah you still lack knowledge on global history.
@Unit1 I'm just being honest! Men never ever welcomed any idea of women empowerment ever. World War may have changed a few things but even today men are too intimidated by women and scared of losing their control over women.
You are uneducated I see. Don't worry however. You can always simply believe whatever you want to believe.
@Unit1 so wait wait wait. I'm ignorant because YOU don't know glob history?
Ggwp
@Unit1 do some fucking research on history of female education in the Indian Subcontinent before throwing remarks at me. Then come back and tell me who was wrong.
I did.
You consider joining the hardcore feminists. I'm sure they'll welcome you and you will have a lot to talk about.
Ah I get it now! There have never been or will ever be any men who advocate or support women rights. I'm learning so much right now.
@SentientBrick yeah, cuz ALL MEN ARE EVIL And we all want to stomp on every woman we cross paths with with our titanic schlong!!! 😈
@Unit1 Ah aheh... Sarcasm is fun...
Women shouldn't be educated or vote. See what happens? The slippery slope has come true. Give an inch and they take a mile. How did we go from reading and voting to manspreading and common divorce? Well i can tell you how. Its womens nature to destroy and they are not capable of leading unchecked they will always go off the deep end.
@SentientBrick right? One gotta have to lighten up no matter what. Especially when it's about untrue claims.
Untrue claims? Which ones?
All of em right?
@SentientBrick like men never welcoming feminism. When afterwards they got what they wanted in the first world countries. Or there weren't any male feminists.
@bamesjond0069 you are sexist and dont generalize. By your logic all men started wars and destroy the world
Because the movement is disingenuous.
What's the biggest thing we hear about feminism?
Equality, equality, equality, they just want equality.
Though, in many regards women have it much better than men. Many more men are homeless than women, yet do we hear "we need less homeless men," or even "we need more homeless women?" Nope!
The movement is about increasing the quality of life for women, it doesn't give a shit about men even though it pretends to in order to appear righteous and more legitimate.
So I hate 21st-century feminist, they skew stats in there favor like the wage gap they don’t want equal rights as men (e. g men in the United States have to sigh up for the draft but feminist would be outraged if anyone suggested that) it’s not about equality or the right to vote anymore it’s just playing Insanity in my opinion the me to movement has gone out of control end it does nothing but hurt women and then they advocate for a trans people in sports not realizing that that that would curb any opportunities for actual women and sports I could continue
My older brother likes to point out that men built this world. Men built everything and women didn't build anything. Now women are trying to take it all. He also pointed out how men and women lived back in the 1950s was way better. They didn't have the problems like what we have today. Men went to work and when they came home they just ate dinner, they didn't help the wife. The wife did everything in the house and took care of the kids. My brother thinks life was better back then. But now feminism messed everything up and ruined it for all the guys and made women into crazy bitches. My brother wants to go to Europe and marry a woman there because he believes they still have that old mentality.
Your brother is an idiot if he really believes women have not built anything. The first solar house was literally designed and built by three women in the 1940's.
@Shuri he would probably say something like that's a small addition to everything else men have built
Your brother is cherry picking information to support his views. I'm no fan of third wave feminism but I do think we've made great strides for equality since the 1950s. It just seems 2010 onward feminism has been doing more harm than good for relations between the sexes. At least in perspective it has.
@SentientBrick the 1950s was far better. Women today aren't worth marrying. You can have sex and kids with many women not just one. You dont even have to earn an income to support a family. There are literally no requirements for men any more. And its because there are no women worth a damn to bother being a decent man for. So yeah i agree we made great strides in equality but at the expense of women because now they are not valued anymore. And it makes men depressed and bitter because men want to be responsible and have good families but its a losing proposition these days.
Why men have a problem with women want to work and have a career? You can be a good wife and also can go out and work. Sorry but being housewife is fucking borimg and is not a life
@shinka1y234 most women are not capable of having a career and being a decent mom.
In the most of the cases husband dont support his wife when she wants to have a career.
That is why it is difficult to have a career for a woman.
@bamesjond0069 Plenty of women are good wife material now days. You could have sex and kids with many women in the 1950s as well it was just more frowned upon. You need money to actually support a family period. What were the "requirements" in the 1950s how are they diffrent to the average man now days? I'd argue women are still highly valued it just that men are not as valued or respected as they were in the 1950s (thanks 3rd wave feminism). I do agree mens loss of purpous and sense responsibility has resulted in a terrible increase in depression and suicide. I'm at a loss as to how we fix such a problem. The media and SJWs seem to revel in or at least not care about this issue. They also seem quite effective in supressing or stopping any changes that might help men who are struggling.
@SentientBrick you could then sure but today its completely accepted and normal. Also many many women would not tolerate that sort of men. Today almost nobody waits till marriage when that was still maybe not a majority even in the 50s it was common and idealized. Today its celebrated for a woman to have slept with 50 men and have 3 kids with 3 different men.
@shinka1y234 like i said. Most men dont value it. You should stay single and be a cat lady if you dont want to offer anything of value to men.
I think its good sometimes to step back and realize how diffrent what the media and Hollywood try to rationalize as normal and what the average person thinks is normal. Id argue that most people don't think a "50 person body count" and having kids with different fathers is healthy or normal despite what the media says. I do agree sex before marriage is much more common now days and it does have some negitive effects. Though I cannot place blame on feminism exclusively : contraceptives, sex education and porn are much more wide spread now days. Making people baving sex safer, better educated, and more common.
@bamesjond006 wtf is your problem. Why can't a man stay at home and care for childreen. Why is always expected from women? Sorry but a man should not call himself a father if he can't care for childreen.
And wtf do you value if you can't care for yoursef and expect from a woman to cook, to clean the house and care for childreen. These days many women work. So that is why a man have to do housechores, cook etc. do. I dont want someone lazy
@shinka1y234 well im not a lazy load like most men. I earn in the top 1% of income. I dont need a sugar mama to bring home a check. A woman paycheck has no meaning to me will not help me in any way at all. Its completely irrelevant.
@bamesjond0069 So... according to you, men who stay home and care for kids are lazy. So wouldn't that then make a woman lazy if that's what she does? How does having a vagina not make you lazy but a penis does?
@Shuri no i dont think its lazy. But you know men can't birth children and most women are naturally inclined to do caring and home activities and most men are naturally inclined to be emotionally detached dealing with the external world so that they can do whatever is necessary to support their family. Hey if a girl can pull in 6 figures and can find a good house husband sure that would be just fine. This almost never happens in real life though for various reasons. It is not functional to have two career people and no caring house maker nor is it functional to have two home makers and nobody to pay the bills.
Plenty of women are good wife material now days. You could have sex and kids with many women in the 1950s as well it was just more frowned upon. You need money to actually support a family period. What were the "requirements" in the 1950s how are they diffrent to the average man now days? I'd argue women are still highly valued it just that men are not as valued or respected as they were in the 1950s (thanks 3rd wave feminism). I do agree mens loss of purpous and sense responsibility has resulted in a terrible increase in depression and suicide. I'm at a loss as to how we fix such a problem. The media and SJWs seem to revel in or at least not care about this issue. They also seem quite effective in supressing or stopping any changes that might help men who are struggling.
Because it isn't feminism, it's cultural Marxism. It is intended to redistribute social power from supposed oppressors to the supposedly oppressed. This is accomplished by discriminating against the oppressor class. Women get sucked into the class warfare narrative without realizing it's true source as it's disguised by the term "feminism" rather than Marxism. If you want to know what is wrong, listen to this when you're driving or something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccASsjhhgP8&list=PLwt9OUJ1gdC8wPFUW4qcYdKv4q3G6CEmkIt will give you a feel for the warped ideology at work here and why it is having such a bad effect.
Probably because third wave feminism is about attacking men and treating them like enemies instead of friends, husbands, brothers , sons
Because there is nothing there that serves them. Third wave feminism is about hating men, gaining power and control over them. The majority of both genders just isn't buying it, don't agree or support it. In the beginning it was all fine, everybody was for that, voting, equal pay, opportunity, choices, that's all great. When it got to 'we don't need no stinkin' men' then it failed. Some women tend to go to extremes. We simply avoid them. They have cats. Or horses, depending on how rich they are. LOL
Why do so many women hate men? That's the real question.
An actual answer to your question is that 3d wave feminism is purely and simply useless in most respects. If you can name me a single right afforded to men that isn't afforded to women in the west in 2019 point it to me and good luck.
As for the rest a quasi totality of men believe that women have the right to express themselves, have the right to vote, the right to do as they like with their lives. But it's not what feminism stands for today and by the way 40% of women in the world today are not ready to call themselves feminists. Modern feminism wants to see equality of outcome regardless of an existing equality of opportunity. It victimizes women by telling them they are still oppressed and also strive on killing the feminine image and encouraging women to hate men and everything that males stand for.
We hate feminists, not necessarily feminism as a concept. But when we think of feminism we of feminists. And when we think if feminists we invision (rightfully so) a bitchy woman complaining about how "oppressed" she is even though she literally has a better life than most people both make or female. Its rare to find a low income feminist. They are usually middle class whores who whine about the way men sit and the temperature of the office they work at instead of the fact that there is a homeless epidemic in this country (predominantly men) and a suicide rate that's steadily increasing. A suicide rate also dominated by men.
Feminism isn't about equality. It's about entitlement and getting an excuse for acting like a cunt. Now to clarify, we are all entitled to basic things but these women have that already and more. Many in America don't, their voices get ignored while these privileged bitches scream bloody murder about the non-existent patriarchy.
Based on the comments I've seen on here, some men feel entitled to a standard of gender expression and gender roles that has been replaced and no longer applies. They dont view their outdated standard as unfair, marginalizing, or misogynistic, and they wouldn't hurt women if they understood that is what their views are doing, but that's the crux of the point: they dont understand.
We are characters, not props. Without even realizing it, so many sexually frustrated young men and old fashioned old men fundamentally misunderstand that women are people!
Well you dont understand mens perspective at all. Women who dont behave in a more traditional way are 100% worthless to men. So its fine if you want men to think you have no value but then of course when men treat you like just another man, y'all bitch and moan about boo hoo he didn't call me back after sex or he didn't treat me like a lady. Hint its because you aren't a lady and men who do that dont value you.
@bamesjond0069 lol😂 you alright there bud?
@bamesjond0069 fucking idiot, so you think its alright to be violent and treat people like garbage just because you can. Oh well then if your face is punchable enough then people have the right punch it
@Underworld158 how is having strictly casual sex treating them like garbage if they are feminists? Feminists believe casual sex is healthy and normal and good? y'all become prudes all of a sudden? And who mentioned violence? Are you drunk?
It's because feminists are annoying, gross, and pathetic and try to get their point across by disrespecting men and treating them like they are beneath women or something instead of spreading their so-called "equality".
A true femeninst fight for equal rights. But many do it to hate men, and many do it and are hypocrite. Like a couple with a kid breaks up but 9 out of 10 times the mother gets the full rights to the kids even if the father is fully capable and interested in having the kids. That's not equal. Even a 50/50 setup is not even truly 50/50 but 49/51 where the mother have the 51. Also go to a woman's public toilet and there is a changing room for the kid, go to a men's and there is not. Parental leave is in the favour for the woman and quite often not the man. A femeninst would fight for the right for men to have the same rights when it come to kids. A man hater would not care and dare to call them self a femeninst. Men to get abused and raped and mistreated, not just woman. A true femeninst know that.
Truth 100%
You're right. A true feminist would know and fight for it. And I do see plenty of feminists fighting for men's emotional rights.
Where to begin.
Feminists constantly claim that women don't have equal rights. They do and then some.
Not a single feminist can point out a right women don't have but men do.
Their attempt to rewrite history , making it seem as if women were the eternal victims of men, while ignoring the millions and millions of men that were sacrificed in wars, massacred in genocides, and died to get us to where we are today.
"Teach men not to rape" was a thing. As if men aren't constantly told to never put hands on a woman from our infancy.
Changing language to erase word that have man/men in them ( manpower, policeman, fireman, etc).
Constantly being told we have male privilage , usually by women who have had better education and are now sitting in nice air-conditioned offices complaining how hard they have it.
Men sitting with their legs slightly apart is oppressive , explaining something to a woman is oppressive, earning more money bcs we work longer hours is oppressive and so on
Because feminism has been replaced by hatred of men by radical feminists.
People see right through the front and gaslighting.
An other is people that needs something to define them instead of being themselves, creating their own rules.
Narrow minded people.
Mental issues.
One sided.
Sexism.
Focus in the wrong places.
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It's to many red flag's about that movement and little to easy to see what really is happening.
The same goes for people that says they are.
The funny thing is that you have a few categories of humans that becomes. still haven't stumbled into anyone that deviates from that.