Gender Value? Are men more important than women?

[Anonymous]

So I was scrolling through my feed as usual and I came across an interesting video song which showed a gold digger woman. And I started reading the comments. So there was this man who was arguing with a woman about objectification, equality and all. So what I gathered is that men made this world and women are just in it. Women don't contribute and he asked the woman to name any 10 inventions made by women. Women are cheaters and sell their body. And lastly there's some scientific technology which created a baby cow without a female cow so women are going to be replaced soon. As per the woman she said men cheat more, women are shamed when they don't do anything ladylike, for not being attractive enough and women face harassments, catcalls, etc by men. (PO:men face that too, no doubt. I wish they would feel safe enough to share). Also, being a housewife is a contribution in itself. The man replied that even men contribute to households but only men changed the world.

(by the way I think men sell their bods too... gym pics? Also, this whole argument made me think... Do men really think that low of us? All of us?)

Before we begin with the discussion, I would request all of you to be kind and polite. No heated arguments please. Let's all discuss this peacefully. I am choosing to ask this anonymously because I don't want to get attacked.

[NamerOfStars]

Pretend for the moment that you own a factory, and the company that runs it. You're going to have a bunch of divisions within that company, simply because of the realities of running a large operation.

Now, when you think of a factory and its employees, the first group you think of are the line workers, and reasonably so- it wouldn't be a factory without them. But are they more or less important than the janitors? Or the shipping department?

[Asker]

Can you elaborate the point?

[NamerOfStars]

Sure. To achieve any big goal, there are many sub-tasks that need to be accomplished; often more than any one person can do (at least in a reasonable time frame). Having specialists lets you take on those sub-tasks with less risk and more efficiency- for example, in the task of "building a functioning human society", men were needed to go far afield and hunt down food. Could a woman do that? Sure- many did. But it was riskier, since women aren't as muscular (which makes fighting harder) or good at hand-eye coordination (which makes throwing spears harder) and are smaller (which can ward off attackers in and of itself; if they THINK you're too big to fight, they'll leave you alone).

Meanwhile, since humans are born in a late fetal stage, someone was needed to tend to the kids, and to search for food closer to home (the idea that stone-age women were pampered princesses is utter nonsense). Could a man do that? Sure- many did. But it was riskier, since men have inferior color perception (making knowing which berry is tasty and healthful and which is deadly harder) and inferior scent differentiation (vital back when food poisoning was a death sentence),

One's more glamorous than the other, no question, but both are necessary.

[Asker]

That's a beautiful explanation. I think one should utilise their skills.

[NamerOfStars]

Exactly. Since every last one of us is a collaborative project between a man and a woman, we all have some combination of masculine and feminine traits, and sometimes a person isn't comfortable or happy with the role they're born into; it makes perfect sense to allow for some flexibility. As a rule, if you preface any given gender norm with "usually"', the vast majority of associated problems just go away.

[Asker]

And I also believe that gender norms are way too rigid that's why many people feel the need to change their identity and all. They be like God made you this, be this. Yeah well they also made me this way so I don't find the gender norms relatable hence I feel the need to change.

[TheVigilantFox]

No one is more important than the other, we all bring different values to the table.


Nothing in life is more important than anything else, everything has it’s purpose and everything has its uses.

[Anonymous]

Men and women bring different but equal value to humanity. The guy is correct in the sense that men indeed did built the world, and still fill the vast majority of the critical roles that make modern society possible.

But women bring a lot of value to the world too, or at least they did historically. They just weren't given the recognition they deserved for those contributions. The value women bring lies in their ability to procreate, and to provide love, empathy and nurturing to their families. Women are the heart of a family. They make a house a home and a sanctuary that men and children want to come home to. But sadly women have reduced their value in recent decades by turning their backs on most of the things that really make them valuable.

At the end of the day, if we removed procreation from the equation... if women disappeared from the world, it would be an unhappy place without the beauty they bring to life, but men would still survive and even thrive. But if men disappeared, the human race would literally go extinct relatively quickly, because women are incapable of filling the roles men fill every day to make life on this planet possible.

[Anonymous]

I'd end that guys argument with one simple sentence, "A woman gave birth to every man in existence". Game, set, match!

Women and men do not operate from the same playbook. I don't think low of women per se. I think most guys just get to a point that they ACCEPT women will just never be on the same page as us. I always advise guys, "Stop trying to understand her, you'll just make yourself crazy. Just know your boundaries, what you're willing to accept from her and what you're not". We don't have to think alike. Mutual respect is all that's required.

[Asker]

There should be more men like you. As per reproduction, it takes two to form one. Pregnancy and labour is different, men can only help externally here.

[UniquelyBasic]

I think we both contribute in different ways. For the men to invent and be able to work as much as they do to further their careers the women had to be at home and take care of the kids. I also dont agree that women are shamed that much for being masculine. They can wear guys shirts and have short hair and people dont really think twice about it.

[Asker]

This guy also said men are Godlike creatures, don't compare women with them.

[inhua]

men and women are not the same but both hold equal worth in society

women are responsible for every single human being alive today whereas men are responsible for building the world around you despite the excuses feminists claim that the "patriarchy" held them back

now what the political left wants to do is equalize everything. not just equality of opportunity but equality of outcome and that shit doesn't work. they're trying to turn men into women and women into men allowing women to take men's purpose away and men are drifting through life without purpose by demonizing traditional gender roles and what makes a man and a woman special

[Asker]

What if they are passionate about their field of work?

[inhua]

only a small proportion of people are truly passionate in their field of work and those people have psychopathic traits. the rest are all pretend and never amount to anything and that's not to mention the number of jobs that do require passion to succeed

[Anonymous]

Women give birth, which makes them more valuable- Why else do you think men are disposable and women must be protected at all costs? If women didn't become pregnant, they would be treated just as harshly as men.

[Asker]

I think both are equally valuable.

[MadAndBankrupt]

I live in my own world where I need women and women need me.

anything other than that then you’re play with human facts.

I disrespect disrespectful people and I respect, respectful people.

It’s simple really, Don’t bother yourself some non sense online.

In the end, People online usually people with deep mental issues and they come here running from life.