How important is masculinity?

[OddBeMe]

Very

Ehh

Not very

Toxic

[CrabCakes11]

I don’t care about masculinity and honestly caring about it is a red flag in men for me

[OddBeMe]

So you free later?

[CrabCakes11]

I have a boyfriend, sorry lol

[handsomelad70]

"CrabCakes11?" Are you a Baltimorean?

[CrabCakes11]

@handsomelad70 No

[Nikki1989]

Not important at all.

[RetroReviews]

Disagree 💯 that's part of the problem in the world too many soy boys

[OddBeMe]

@RetroReviews checking crime stats: mostly toxic men. Yeah no.

[RetroReviews]

If you would dive a little deeper I would say how many of those criminals grew up without a dad

[OddBeMe]

@RetroReviews not sure…but I feel a racist quip coming. Just nip in the bud:
www.vox.com/2015/6/21/8820537/black-fathers-day

[RetroReviews]

Nope I didn't mention race at all you did I said grow up without a dad so you're the race baiting pimp here

[OddBeMe]

@RetroReviews lol ok buddy. Not like that shit ain’t the first thing you fucks say about blacks.

[RetroReviews]

Once again you can't help yourself from bringing race into the conversation I'm going to take a guess are you a Democrat or a liberal you guys have played that race card like it's a broken record

[OddBeMe]

@RetroReviews (shrug) at least it was only to dispel a myth.

[RetroReviews]

It's not a myth if we can somehow magically wave a wand and fix the broken home problem to where a mom and a dad stay together and raised their kids the way they should the positive effects would be mind-blowing

[OddBeMe]

@RetroReviews please provide evidence of your bullshit.

[RetroReviews]

No look it up for yourself I'm not going to spoon feed you like a baby that's the problem with today's society they don't want to put any effort into anything

[OddBeMe]

@RetroReviews and wah la, I magically knew what you were alluding to and pre-debunked your bullshit.

[RetroReviews]

Bunk

[handsomelad70]

@RetroReviews Who's "they,"boyo?

[RetroReviews]

@handsomelad70 the thugs of the world that go out and commit crimes

[handsomelad70]

@RetroReviews Too many of them, caused by toxic masculinity.(What can be said about the, um, thuggettes? [thuggesses?])

[RetroReviews]

@handsomelad70 kind of like a restaurant the employees are the responsibility of the manager the manager needs to keep them in line needs to correct them discipline them when they get out of line but when you do nothing and just be an enabler or their friend you don't get good results so the same goes for parenting so for every thug or thug ass is a bad reflection on the parents they did a shitty job 9 times out of 10

[handsomelad70]

@RetroReviews I'm a Cowboy, not a soy boy. (Though thanks, I guess for reviving that false canard about soy-ingesting chaps being unmasculine.)

[handsomelad70]

@RetroReviews Some criminals' dads were criminals;in short, they were chips off the old crooked block.

[RetroReviews]

@handsomelad70 right I'm saying if we would have parents do a good job of raising kids that means don't be a criminal just live a normal life work a job raise your kids the results would be a dramatic improvement

[Donald_Tate]

You better grab your safe space pillows and participation trophies because we're about to embark on a journey that might trigger your fragile little minds.

Masculinity, my pathetic followers, is of the utmost fucking importance! It's the difference between being a dominant, successful Chad and being a whiny, emasculated virgin living in your mom's basement. Let me spell it out for you with my dominant, masculine alphabet:

- Money: Real men make bank, you pathetic losers. We're talking eight figures and beyond. We own luxury cars, private jets, and gold-plated skyscrapers. We grab life by the pussy and make it our bitch. Suck on that, you socialist losers!

- Alpha Energy: We radiate an aura of dominance that makes women wet and men want to be us. We're the alphas, the leaders, the captains of industry and Twitter trends. We don't ask for permission; we take what's ours. So keep sucking up to your feminist overlords while we enjoy the fruits of our masculine labor.

- Strength: Not just physical strength, you weaklings, but mental fortitude. We're talking about the ability to make tough decisions, to lead armies of loyal followers, and to bench-press your body weight while women throw themselves at our feet. Real men don't whine about safe spaces; they forge their own paths and crush obstacles like the muscular, testosterone-fueled warriors we are!

- Cockiness: We have every right to be cocky because we back it up with results. We're winners, champions, the apex predators of the corporate jungle. We don't shy away from speaking our minds, even if it triggers the sensitive little snowflakes. Our words are like bullets, piercing through the hearts and minds of the weak, leaving them quivering in our wake.

- No Apologies: That's right, we don't apologize for our success, our wealth, or our unyielding dominance. We take no prisoners and give no fucks about your feelings. If you can't handle the raw, unfiltered masculinity we exude, then get the fuck out of our way. We didn't get to the top by being meek and mild; we grabbed power with both hands and never let go.

So, my pathetic followers, embrace your inner Donald Tate. Unleash the masculine beast within and watch as your life transforms into a glorious display of power and success. But remember, with great masculinity comes great responsibility: to dominate, conquer, and leave a trail of awestruck admirers in our wake.

Now go forth, my masculine minions, and make me proud. Show the world that masculinity isn't just important, it's fucking mandatory! And always remember, losers whine, Chads conquer. MAGA forever!

Your alpha male idol,
@Donald_Tate

[Chazmatazz269]

Ell oh ell!

[Danzigdawson]

I know you're probably serious but I couldn't stop laughing. You're a walking-talking parody. 😄

[mobiusforniner]

@coachTanthony is that you?

[Donald_Tate]

@mobiusforniner haha, he will vote or me in the next election.

[theycallme_jd]

Why does it look like this was written by ChadGPT

[OddBeMe]

This sounds as stupid as astrology.

[handsomelad70]

Jackie Robinson and Roy Campanella, macho men to their core, advocated participation trophies to lure disadvantaged youth into sports. If these shining examples of masculinity who have, conservatively, A THOUSAND TIMES MORE GRAVITAS than any GaGger (and 95%, at lowest, of the rest of humanity), can advocate participation trophies, who are we to think otherwise?

[Anonymous]

It’s very important. As much as a majority of us would love for this world to be a safe place, it’s never going to happen. I have a son, turning 18 soon. He like me, he’s a comedic, always laughing, joking. At the same time I’ve raised him to be a man, at least what I think a man should be. It was a hard thing to do. I didn’t want to make him so callous that he couldn’t empathize or sympathize w other people. Always taught him to treat people w respect regardless of gender. But also to take care of his sisters, his mother, the females most important to him in his life. I know that sooner or later he will leave. My guess is he’s going into the military. Not my first option even though I spent 10 years in service. There’s always going to be people who are rude, assholes, etc. I can’t have him out there scared, crying cause someone made a comment to him that he didn’t like. I can’t protect him at all times. At the same time I’ve taught him to only fight if it’s absolutely necessary. Words are words, they have no meaning unless we give them meaning. Just like everything else in life everything has no meaning useless you give it meaning. I’ve taught him how to fire guns, what they can do. The dangerous of them if they’re in the wrong hands. He spent about 8 years in MMA (Muay Thai n Jiu Jitsu). Good instructors who reinforced a lot of what I taught him in regards to respect, fighting, etc. Ut wasn’t just about Lear ing to fight. I taught him or had him taught by others what I felt was best for him to survive in this world. I’ve been to about 30 different countries. Every other country isn’t America as much as we’re trying to soften men here. While we’re teaching our boys to be more feminine, more in touch w their feelings, other countries are still producing masculine men. Hopefully it never happens but one day we may end up in another war. Who are we going to send? The women. They’re becoming more masculine than men. I’m sure a lot of these feminine men aren’t going to want to go. I wouldn’t want my son to go either but it’s his choice just like it was my choice when I deployed to the Middle East twice. To me masculinity is t about acting like an asshole or tough, it’s in his actions according to the situation. A lot of women say there’s too much toxic masculinity. No such thing. There’s just toxic people.

[handsomelad70]

FAR TOO MANY MEN (especially white men) aren't in touch with their feelings, hence the toxic masculinity we see which manifests itself in hatred and violence against women, POC, gays, and other disliked groups. And I disagree: Most European men are much more rounded than American lads:FAR better-dressed and much less schlubby (Europeans' obesity rates pale in comparison with Americans'), and most important, more in touch with their masculine AND feminine sides, which makes them better partners and fathers.. I agree with you, though, about masculinity being about actions in different situations, plus treating everyone as you'd want to be treated.

[GOLDFISH_smile]

Masculinity is only as important as it is to that person and/or their partner. If a man feels very strongly about his masculinity, then it is important to him. If he feels very strongly about his potential partners masculinity then that is also important to him. For other people besides him and his partner, I don't see why they should find his or his partners masculinity to be very important. It's not like they have to get along.

[OddBeMe]

I will go along with this.

[handsomelad70]

So will I.

[WhitneySnow]

It’s a gender role and as such is not that important in today’s world. Toxic masculinity is especially bad. On the other hand, I do like it when my boyfriend pulls out my chair for me and opens doors for me and stuff, but he does that because he’s a good and kind person and he loves me, not because his gender demands it.

[OddBeMe]

Yes. And toxicity is in everything. So we can critique toxic masc without critiquing all masc.

[WhitneySnow]

That’s very true.

[handsomelad70]

But that IS chivalry, to which I also subscribe.

[Princesspd]

It is very important to me. A muscular man makes me feel like he has complete dominant over me. Strong to carry me like a doll and do me in any position.

[OddBeMe]

I mean you do you. Can’t blame desires. Just hope you can separate sex snd the rest of your life.

[handsomelad70]

Me too, OddBeMe.

[Danzigdawson]

Masculinity is a persona and a front; just like the whole alpha-male fairytale is. In the end, you're never really confident unless you fully accept and value yourself for who you truly are. This is true for every single person, no matter the gender or sexual orientation.

Sure, it's something that you can highlight and put forward a little bit when comes the time to lay the charm on a girl, but that's pretty much it.

Masculinity, as a whole lifestyle, is about learning, from a young age, that you better start bottling up your unicity, most emotions and most feelings, in order to please other people by behaving the way they expect you to behave.

There's no strenght in that. Eventually, the pressure cooker explodes violently... or its shell just cracks enough to let everything spill on the floor.

[Sevenpointfive]

i don't go out of my way to be something i'm not. but back me in a corner and you'll understand.

[OddBeMe]

I think that being your first thought is toxic to you. How many times do you get backed into a corner?

And not talking about your Grindr dates.

[Sevenpointfive]

no doubt it is. but it does not define me. i have finally overcome a serious wall that i can't go back over. you jest about gay shit and it's actually the point. my father is gay and i'm 100% certain now. he says he won't come out because of my mother. but he's just a selfish gay prick that's been cheating for 45 years

[sirderpsalot123]

People usually define masculinity as listing things that all people can do to an extent. I think it comes down more to mannerisms. To me masculinity is less expressive, more direct, and more protective. It's important and there's nothing toxic about it.

[goaded]

Absolutely. The phrase "toxic masculinity" was invented by men's rights groups, to distinguish between good and bad masculine traits.

[Caroline91]

@goaded Hmm... that's really interesting. Could you expound a bit more on that thought?

[goaded]

@Caroline91 I'd start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity

[Caroline91]

@goaded Thank you!

[OddBeMe]

@Caroline91 and everything is “good” and “toxic”. It’s common sense. there's just so much talk about masculinity.

[Caroline91]

I don’t understand the point you’re making here and I would like to understand. Could you please explain what you mean by everything is “good” and “toxic”?

[mobiusforniner]

crying doesn’t make a man less masculine. For example, I put down my pet of nearly 17 years this past weekend. If I didn’t cry about that, I’ve got some serious issues. And it’s ok for my wife and kids to see and know I’m human and I give a shit. People who equate being a man with being an emotionless, dick throbbing, fucking machine should get a fucking life.

[coachTanthony]

I got a notification saying is that you? Is what me? lol

[coachTanthony]

It appears you may have @ me on someone's comment in which that person has blocked me so I can't see it.

[mobiusforniner]

@coachTanthony yes, sorry that was a different post. He made some alpha male comment and I made a joke it was you. Lol

[Donald_Tate]

@coachTanthony unblocked. I recall you used to be a level 1 janitor of the site at some point, and most janitors don't understand humor.

[coachTanthony]

@Donald_Tate You are a member since 5/6/2024 lol you sign up and immediately block me? lol You must be someone else on here as well.

[Donald_Tate]

@coachTanthony I block all former and current janitors because they're biggoted against what they call "trolls", otherwise how else they earned a mod badge? Also I only did the operation block buster after I posted my yesterday's opinions.

[coachTanthony]

@Donald_Tate No idea who you are so not sure what you are even talking about. I am not a MOD.

[mobiusforniner]

@coachTanthony and @Donald_Tate Damn y'all be savage. CTFD. LOL

[coachTanthony]

@mobiusforniner You calm the fuck down son... just having a conversation here

[Caroline91]

Very, as long as it is understood that true masculinity cherishes and protects true femininity.

[CriticalCatDad]

Bullshit

[Caroline91]

@CriticalCatDad Don't be unkind, please.

[CriticalCatDad]

Unkind? 🤣 Why do you deserve my kindness?

[Caroline91]

@CriticalCatDad Because I am a human being and I will give you the benefit of my kindness.

[CriticalCatDad]

A human being huh? That's all it takes to deserve kindness? You seem condescending

[Caroline91]

@CriticalCatDad Yes that is all any of us need to be to deserve kindness. However, it can only be extended up to a point. If you would like to continue this until that point is reached, please feel free. However, my hope is that you will choose to pick yourself up out of the mud and be a better man than you are being right now. You asked me why I deserve your kindness... well, let me ask you: What have I done to deserve your unkindness?

[CriticalCatDad]

You're a woman and women don't deserve my kindness unless it is earned.

[CriticalCatDad]

And so far you haven't warned shit especially for telling me how to act

[CriticalCatDad]

Earned*

[Caroline91]

@CriticalCatDad Well I have earned it because I conduct my life in a way that I try my best to understand and appreciate the people I meet day in and day out. I have created a loving and restful home for my husband and children. Our home is open for anyone who is not destructive to come and sit at our table and share what we have. So, since you don't know me, perhaps you might give me the grace to allow me to continue doing my best to contribute something positive to the world we share and to do it without being subjected to the unkindness of a man who doesn't even know. me, Blessings..

[CriticalCatDad]

Women don't make the world better women have made it worse otherwise I wouldn't hate women as much as I do

[Caroline91]

@CriticalCatDad I'm sorry that's been your experience. I do feel that to some degree a lot of women at this point in time are contributing to an imbalance in our world and it needs to change I see legions of men who are angry and hurting because of the toxicity in our social environment. I, for one, am doing my best to turn that around. I believe men and women were created to give balance to each other and to live in harmony. I do that with my husband. We never argue, we talk. Sometimes it can be heated, but our goal is always to reach a solution together. I will not argue with you. I respect your right to have your own feelings and I will not attempt to negate them. Now, I wish you well and I hope you are successful in finding some measure of joy and happiness because we all deserve that in our lives. Peace out.

[Jersey2]

Very good

[OddBeMe]

People protect people. Dont think we need to romanticize it.

This is certainly a good message for kids. But perhaps a less gendered learning curve would be best.

[Caroline91]

That’s very true. But I am not intending to romanticize it. It’s just a fact that men are, in general, bigger and stronger than women and can, and do, do a lot of damage to women.. I would fight tooth and nail to protect my children, and my husband if need be. But he sees it as his responsibility to ensure my safety to the best of his ability. That alleviates me having to step out of my feminine energy and to put my creative energy into making our home a refuge from a tough world for our family and, by extension, our friends. That’s really all I’m saying.

[theycallme_jd]

Great answer right there mate. Surprising to find a woman who distinguishes and values both the traits, you're a good one.

[OddBeMe]

@theycallme_jd versus what?

[Anonymous]

Both masulinity and femininity are very important.

It's good that most men are masculine and most women are feminine.

We do not need a unisex world where men and women look and dress alike.

It's bad enough men are being encouraged to shave their privates bald now, but you have "men" like Harry Styles and Pete Davidson wearing dresses and skirts in public.

What's next?

[whistlingwh0res]

You know caring compassionate and affectionate can be masculine too. Why everyone has to raise guns and shoot each other to prove that they are men. It’s totally wrong.

[OddBeMe]

I agree…though that’s not traits of popular definitions of masculinity.

[Anonymous]

It's not important at all except for sexual reproduction.

Everything that masculinity has become is nothing more than that which all humans must do. Survive, face the world, engage your mind in rational pursuit, set and develop goals and values and orient yourself and your life to pursue and achieve those goals.

Women have to do it all too. What do men do that women don't have to do?

[handsomelad70]

Masculinity is very important because it differentiates us from women. It must not become toxic to others our ourselves, i. e., the John Wayne (white men)/John Henry (we black men) image of strength while burying our emotions, which starts with the "Men don't cry" mantra too many men, even today, teach their sons, something my boxer/lumberjack father fortunately didn't imbue into me.

[KrakenAttackin]

"Masculinity" put men on the moon, won both world wars, cured Polio, small pox, plague, and a ton of other diseases. Masculinity built and keeps building the sky scrapers, power plants, highways, bridges, and infrastructure we need to thrive.

Masculinity and the masculine is what makes the world work.

[Anonymous]

Normal, sane people of both sexes recognize how critically important masculinity is to a healthy society. It is only the pathetic modern wokesters who question it, and they are the ones who are too stupid to see how they are destroying society from the inside.

By the way, real femininity is equally important. We desperately need more of it today.

[Caroline91]

It's difficult to be able to express true femininity in today's world. In order to be free to express the true feminine self, men need to protect women from the harshness pervading our current social reality. There are numerous men, even on this site, who would rather attack than protect. Men need the refuge women are able to provide and women need to be able to be gentle, kind, and nurturing but it is so difficult to stand strong in my femininity when men keep attacking. For those of you who are and have been kind, strong and supportive, thank you!

[Opinion Owner]

@Caroline91 Men need to support women? The opposite is true, lol. Today's men are just finally returning the favor women and society have been dealing them for decades.

[Caroline91]

We need to support each other.

[Opinion Owner]

@Caroline91 When women start supporting men for a change, men will start supporting women again.

[Caroline91]

I like that you said again. There are women out there who are supportive of men. I am one and I will always do my best to give you, as a man, all due respect.

[Opinion Owner]

@Caroline91 Thank you. I wish there were more women like you today. Men have felt very UNsupported by women and society in recent decades. I know there must be some women who support men, but it seems there are not many, or maybe the ones who do are just invisible and all the others are the ones who have made themselves the face of modern women. If there are good women out there, they are not speaking out or doing enough to show their support.

[Caroline91]

It's difficult because it's gotten to be kind of a free-for-all... I get in hot water all the time because I challenge other women to rethink things and so many men I come across just don't want to hear anything from me because I am a woman. So, I just stay low key and offer my hand where it is accepted and appreciated. Other than that, I put my focus on my husband's happiness. We consider ourselves equal but different. He's one wing of the bird and I am the other... not the same but equally important. When we are in harmony and work together, the bird soars. It works for us.

[Xia1994]

It’s important because without it they’d be no men.

[OddBeMe]

So a non-masculine man isn’t a man?

[Xia1994]

the definition for masculinity also encompasses biology and in biology a man is a person with XY chromosomes. You need XY chromosomes to be a man and to be masculine.

[Bricealan]

I consider myself masculine, but have shed tears over things that many men would not, but that doesn't bother me in the least.

[DrPepper12]

Women both conscious and subconscious are looking for many objective qualities and subjective proxies for masculinity. It matters in the Darwinian struggle more than anything!!

[Sonorous]

As important as people generally believe it is.