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For women it's looks but I'm wondering what it is for men?
Maybe, it is coming across the ‘wrong way’?
I remember getting flustered about the Grammy ‘Rock And Roll Hall of Fame’ and a woman thought I was upset just because a woman was going to be featured which wasn’t the issue, the issue was people being added that weren’t in the genre. Janis Joplin, Grace Slick, Stevie Nicks, Jackie Chambers, Lita Ford, etc. are great rockin’ women yet this person absolutely wanted non rock genre individuals entered since I came across as ‘sexist’. When I made it clear that certain acts pissed me off being added since they didn’t fit the genre, wasn’t a matter of woman V. man culture wars BS.
There are times when in public (back in school), I wanted to express “I like your shoes” or “Love that outfit” to my female peers though didn’t want to come across like flirting when I would be friendly… And some find it off putting of a boy to compliment a woman so, I had these irrational fears from it when I just wanted them to feel good about themselves and go on with their day with a smile.
I saw a lot of young male fans gawk at a female athlete in support and love from her Instagram page then the media made it about how these guys were creeps / stalkers obsessed with her when in reality a lot of young female fans gawked at male entertainers (think boy bands for example) which they never get pushed as creeps / stalkers obsessed with them… I see it as fans whether they have a crush or not, just wanting to see their celebrity in person which is fine when not taken to the extreme.
That is how I feel. There are us in the male space that are looked at as ‘wrong way’(sexist, horny, and see women only as objects when that isn’t the case for the majority of us)
Love and support all you beautiful sweet kind members of the GAG community, bless you and have a lovely rest of your week and a lovely weekend coming up. Bye
I'm gonna say height. I'm assuming you mean physical appearance? Next time you talk to a female friend, ask her to describe some guy you both know. 9 out of ten times, the first descriptive word they'll use is, "short" or "tall".
OMG!! You are so right! Just the other day my friend I used to work with showed up but I had the day off. She was with a guy, so I asked one of my coworkers to describe the guy, the very first thing she said is he was "kinda short" lol I agree, I think most girls will start with how tall the guy is. I know I've done it.
@Laciejordan Not necessarily just women, guys will usually say if he is tall or short. If I'm asked to describe a woman, I usually do start with, "Well, she has kinda long blonde hair, she's pretty but a little chunky..." I usually start with hair length and color and end with weight.
If my boyfriend would use weight as a description, first thing I'm gonna ask "Is she as heavy as me or am I heavier"? Oh, Wally, don't go there when describing another women to another women! 🤣🤣🤣
@Laciejordan 😜 I never talk weight to a girl, unless they ask. Then I'll say, "I didn't notice".
🤣🤣🤣 Smart!
I'm not a man but I think they do get judged on appearance much more than they used to. Especially maybe whether they have 'a bulld' like biceps, broad chest, not a pouchy tummy.
And then next to that career. If a man says he works in a supermarket as opposed to a bank he will be judged despite fact both men are showing stability and reliability in going to work full time and bring home a pay check.
Men think they are judged on penis size... I think that's mainly in men's heads more than women's tho. I think we care about a good man and great sex and that is not dependant on a specific size/shape etc!
Well said.
@TommyMountainFigure haha and your usually so vocal and eloquent with your responses 😄
@Crimsyjo Hahaa I know. I feel like I let @Apple1996 down because I only provided a short answer with very little information. It's just when I was thinking back to growing up, the only thing I was hounded over was, can I support their daughter? or where do you work? How much do you make? Can you afford to buy a property? Other than that, I never felt judged in any way.
@TommyMountainFigure well u got a gorgeous mountain figure (apparently lol) 🤣 so you obviously food in the looks department!
I don't judge men on finance or job. Tho I probably should as my last two boyfriends didn't work and i ended up spending on them which takes its toll. I don't mind helping when someone's down on their luck but I need to see it's temporary and they want to better themselves. But I can support myself so I don't expect a guy to do anymore than the same.
As for type of job.. I worked in a supermarket for 12 years alongside my husband. We felt judged all the time despite both working full time and having many vacations abroad every year. So again. I don't judge on job type.
I'd like to say I don't judge looks. But in the dating world it's kind of a automatic and natural process. You have to be attracted and you have deal breakers no matter what. But otherwise in general I don't. And I love people who dress outside the norm. Goths, emo, punk, rock vibe. Love people brave enough to have bright hair colours!
My length used to be an issue for me... and I was fully convinced I got passed over by females a lot because I am not that tall (still 5'6, or 170cm).
Penis size used to be a reason for concern too... but that's unreasonable; no lady has ever criticised me and only recently I felt a need to measure my equipment and I really can't complain.
Career... Yes, that's my worry. I have failed at employment; I've been a chef for 22 years, but it has been a nightmare and I have always struggled to stay in employment (I am 'allergic' to authority and can't get along with 90% of managers). Neither has employment been continuous and I have been unemployed for many periods.
But here is the thing... I have now, finally, been diagnosed with Complex PTSD and I have been deemed unfit for work; I am also trying to get answers regarding the medically prescribed Anabolic Steroids I have had as a child and whether that's the cause of my emotional problems... and people just don't want to see that; everyone who has ever claimed to have cared about me or loved me has continuously been accusing me of being lazy. I am not lazy, when I am in employment I feel a need to prove myself and I overdo everything. I burn myself down quickly, get into conflict with management, and eventually I will leave because I can no longer handle the situation. At home I clean regularly, despite being in pain, I love looking after and caring for living creatures (human or animal), etc... It's just that my mental issues, and now also my physical issues, stand in the way of living a normal life.
@Skinhead-1979 having a "perfect" career isn't really the issue. Is more about supporting yourself and not having to rely on others to fund your needs. If you get government benefits to support yourself and manage your finances well (pay your bills and don't blow the rest on drugs or gambling) then its cool. I'd probably enjoy a guy being more available to me than working 50 hour week and being tired every evening!
I'm sorry u have had a hard time and mental issues. Society puts a lot of pressure on people to conform to an acceptable "ideal" but the world would be a boring place if we all were perfect little robots going about our lives from A to B. The most creative or clever people in history are usually those that did not conform or fit in with society!
You say you are good at caring for animals? Could you start a self employed business either pet sitting or keeping exotic animals that you then take to schools, care homes, hospitals and parties to show and tell?
Just one suggestion. Remember. You can't do everything in life but you can create and build a lot of it to fit you if you sit down and set some goals for yourself!
It would be nice to start a self employed business centred around animals, but now is really not the time to start your own business in the UK.
Once you go down that line, there's a high chance that you will not survive financially and you cannot just pull out when things go wrong so eventually you'll end up thousands of Pounds in debt.
I have 3 different disability benefits now which come down to the equivalent of a monthly, full time income. I live a very frugal life and keep my bill load as low as I can and I have no debts (I finally became financially responsible when I had my own family and I managed the family income). After bills I have more than enough left for a food, and the rest I blow on tattoos, my 2 Ferrets, and, yes, weed. I can quit smoking weed, and stay off it, if my life goes well; I've done it before... but the risk will always be there that I fall back on it when things don't go well. However, this should not have to be an issue in a relationship; as mentioned, I do believe I set my priorities right... Besides that, I don't drink; so what other people freely spend on Alcohol, I should be able to spend on weed.
@Skinhead-1979 yh I get you. I'm glad you are managing. I didn't mean go full out business wise. Maybe just as a side gig to start with and if it goes well build it up. Just thought it's something you might do well at plus not have any authority figures looking over your shoulder.
Your free to choose whatever lifestyle u want of course. I only mention drugs and gambling cos my recent ex gambled and stole money from me and my previous ex tried buying and selling weed and took lots of money off me. So I'm wary. But if your smoking weed is pretty much sake as smoking cigarettes its not an issue. Only if it means you would borrow or steal to get it. But that goes same for anything and it's more a case of if you provide your needs then great. I try not to judge people so long as it causes me no harm.
The ex was absolutely not interested in managing the finances together with me; but when I started to smoke weed again, I knew I could overdo it and had to protect my family. So I split the money which was left after bills and food, and placed half of it in her care.
I never told her why I did that; I was too embarrassed to admit... but she took that as if I wanted to control her financially. After she had cast me aside because I had outlived my purpose, I told her... got no responds from her; it didn't fit her narrative of my being controlling.
So I did, most certainly, make mistakes, but everything I did was centred around my ex and the kids; not me.
@Crimsyjo it’s nature for both genders to judge on looks. But an issue that rarely addressed is how women judge men in platonic & professional scenarios (e. g. in the work place).
A douchey/aggressive yet attractive guy gets a LOT more leeway with women in professional situations. He could tell a woman “hey you look good” at work and it’s a nice compliment. But if he is unattractive and says the exact same thing then he would likely get reported to HR.
Same thing if an attractive vs unattractive man gives a confident speech about a professional subject. Women will likely say the unattractive guy “did good” yet the attractive guy “blew it out of the water” despite both of them having the exact same performance.
I know this because I’ve been both physically attractive and unattractive over the course of my life and have noticed differences by how women treat me in the workplace.. Women are actually more guilty than men when it comes to the prejudices they have in professional scenarios.
It is true men used to be much worse about all of this. But for the last 10 years or so men have been shamed up and down about sexism. So we second guess our behavior much more nowadays out of paranoia in the non-romantic/professional world. But women don’t second guess themselves as much (if it all). Some of them even double down on judging men over looks because they think its “gender equality” or some bs to demonstrate stereotypical negative male behavior.
From another pov, and hearing it most of the time, men are frequently judged by their career.
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Financial security has to be up there on the list.
Your relationship status: men who are single get judged, abused, and scrutinized at a far greater rate than women who are single. And men can be even nastier about it to each other than women can be towards a man.
Your job and how much money you make: that still remains to be a big judgment factor on men, and mostly from women.
Being thought of as a predator: if a guy flirts with women people tend to think of him as a horny loser who could be dangerous. If a woman flirts with men, nobody thinks that.
This is not true. Across the board women get more abused then women. Single women who are 40 are pretty considered dead in the water, because risky pregnancy.
Relationship status honestly for guys I can't imagine this actuallyyy matters. Men can be applauded for having high numbers and also be respected for being a vigin as well that shows your religious.
For women though, virgin is great, but if she has high numbers we have to questions her morality and is she going to be actually staying in this relationship or is she going to monkey branch to better options when the boat starts getting a little rocky. (Numbers matter for women weather we like it or not)
I would say looks is also a part because it´s a myth that only men are visual. It might be more important for guys but women are also picky when it comes to how a guy should look. Other things is a guy´s job as a low paid guy has fewer chances with women.
But generally speaking anything can be a reason to judge a guy in modern society. Since a guy has problems if people think he´s too masculine as that´s considered obsessive and controlling. If he tries to not been seen as masculine he´s beta/weak/effiminite so bad as well. If he´s in the middle he could be as boring/average/mediocre.
There is no way a guy is not judged. If he keeps his emotions for himself he´s emotional unavailable/distanced, if he´s open with his opinions he´s a cry baby.
There´s no way not be judged by people.
What don’t they get judged for?
It’s relative to the environment they’re in. But pretty much everything that has to do with their gender as far as if they are masculine… is their style a representation of that, is their car, their financial management, emotions, behavior, character, hobbies, etc down to how they interact with everyone and every thing around them. It does become more relative as a man is judged around certain culture as well. In other foreign culture, they will be appreciated
Men often judged for things that are completely out of their control (height, age, etc.) more often than women do.
At least if you are overweight you can put in the effort to improve that. It’s not easy at all but it can be done. But what the hell can a short man do?
Thank you for acknowledging that.
@Apple1996 you can not change someone's astrology chart also.
It depends on the context. For example a 35 year old is going to be judged differently than a 20 year old. I get judged by people for being a stay at home dad. Especially if they don't know I am wealthy/retired. I think it is common for males to get judged when they do anything that is feminine.
For sure Looks.
The only real reason someone friend zones you if they like everything about you is due to looks.
Maybe there is a niche type of a person who's in it for the money but I think that's much less common and even less so with girls who I talk to. If they were in for that they wouldn't been interested in me in the first place.
Not sure if it's because I'm a man, but I play video games and have had the same group of friends for most of my life who I hang out a few times a month. I have zero interest in making new friends. A lot of people assume I have absolutely no social life.
I know some girls who are more homebodies with a small group of friends and they dont seem to get much shit for it.
My height.
Otherwise, people, all my life, even my own family, have treated me like some kind of idiot when I'm a few points shy of borderline genius. There's also been quite a few people tell me I'm ugly.
Yes, it is! They COULD'VE had a good friend in me but, they chose to be an asshole towards me!
Probably how society sees women regard us. How much money we earn is kind of similar to women's relationship with appearance, but it's not really a one-to-one comparison for men. Looks is to women as women's perceptions is to men.
Lots of stuff but usually as of late it seems like it's more career/money and how you look then anything else.
It's always fun when someone finds out you have a blue collar manual labor job and stereotypes you as uneducated and poor -_-.
Probably how much money I make I remember years ago when chatting with a woman online she's like so what's the balance in your bank account right now? My answer was goodbye
We have five thought so too... And still waiting LOL 😉
For me it has been education level. I dropped out of college before sophomore year because my business was doing so well. Since then, I have been rejected several times for not having a degree, usually by women who earn a fraction of what I do.
Financial Status and our behavioral decisions in how we would take care of things. Once married few should be seeing me as option for intercourse hence
The looks thing is very much like 30 marriage age thing after that I can't imagine it being that much of a big deal unless the wife is the type of moron who married a guy and hated his height.
Talking about their problems as men. When women talk about their problems it is them opening up. When men try to speak up about anything negative they experience as men, other men and women say it is misogyny regardless if it is directly about women or not.
Thank you for asking this question 🙂
It's hard being my prospective
But overall...
Financially and Stereotypical Male knowledge
Along with, "never trust a man", mentality
If no one trusts you, how can you trust yourself
my value, as I'm now retired I don't seem to have any.
I'm going to say it's the perceived quality of the woman we date or are married to (yeah, there may be a difference of opinion on that quality), in large part because that is a proxy for how desirable and successful a guy is.
Being single is considered a life failure. The term incel is thrown around so much because no one gives a second thought about judging men for this. And to add to this dogpile, young women these days often seem to have higher partner expectations in terms of good looks, height, etc.
If you're a single dad with his kids, you're either incompetent, a tragedy, or worse you're seen as a predator.
My brother in law has 4 kids. It's not that people come out and tell him he is incompetent. It's the "oh bless his heart he must be struggling" or "the mother mist have done something horrible if he has custody" or my favorite, he was at a public park with his kids, playing with them, and someone called the police on him, and he literally had to show documentation proving that all 4 are his and he hadn't kidnapped them.
Status, since that can mean your ability to do things, achievements, how you carry yourself, or wealth.
Similar to looks for women in that one thing can cover a wide range of stuff they can be judged on.
I get hammered frequently by the 'ageheads'.
Does "ageheads" mean people attack you because you're old?
That's ridiculous. Of all the things about you that are pathetic and sickening, you being a little older than most on here is the last thing people should be disgusted by. Don't worry, Bill, I got your back!
Goddamn, Bill, I'm such a good person. Don't let it get around!
Yes, I agree. I'll have the last word, let's not spam this sexy young ladies question.
I guess I would really have to try hard to give a shit what society thinks or judges me for. I'm not sure that I could even get half way there without cracking up.😂
That I have never been able to stay in stable employment and that I have now been deemed unfit for work.
People think I am lazy and can't be arsed.
I've been diagnosed with Complex PTSD, may have Agoraphobia, have had 5 suicide attempts... but yeah, there's nothing wrong with me and I am just lazy...
It's not like I have tried to find stable employment; I've been a chef for 22 years... Though admittedly that has of course not been continuous employment.
I think men get judge most on what they've accomplished in life
As a man, when I get introduced to anyone, within the first 3 questions I get is "so, what do you do for a living?" And men are DEFINITELY judged based on that answer.
I get judged on my ability to perform my job. My customers depend on me to fix their problems
Not me personally but in general - Penis size probably in this day and age.
@Apple1996 - Is 6.2 inches erected length above average?
@Apple1996 😉👍🙂. Just wish my wife felt the same way as I do. I’m happy to be above average. But she told me she wished my penis was smaller. I couldn’t believe it. She said reason is because she wouldn’t have any pressure of me entering her vagina - meaning if she is well lubed, she feels uncomfortable pressure when my penis enters her vagina.
@Apple1996 - I guess I’m stuck then. She’s on menopause, doesn’t think about sex hardly anymore so I have no choice but to masturbate sitting on or kneeling in front of my toilet if I want my release. 😞
@Apple1996 - she has a dvt and she’s on xeralto forever. can't do any hormone anything anymore
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HEIGHT AND PEEN SIZE
OH MEH GOD
How much money I have/make, the kind of job I have, the kind of car I drive, my height, my "print". .
It is a good question
Maybe, we're judged on
success
Looks
Sense of humour /being funny
Being easy going
income and being pervs/shallow. And being in shape. Companies have no problem putting topless guys in their ads basically saying we’re lazy and a fat ass with out worrying about blowback.. put a girl in a bikini/sun dress on the ad somebody will complain saying it’s sexist.
I get positively judged for not following trends or being ''adapted'' :)
I bet it’s how much money they make. Either that or how good they are at sports.
I don't notice society judging me. If anything, a guy would get judged on his intelligence.
For all of those that say it doesn’t matter, penis size…. lol. No just kidding. Probably our ability/inability to be selfless/ selfishness. Or, maybe not listening….
Job, money (or lack thereof), overall status.
I have definitely been judged for looks more than anything else. Nothing else really comes to mind.
There are a few categories that men get judged. Income is usually the highest on the list.
1. Job/Income (Socioeconomic status)
2. Height
3. Vehicle
4. Style
Jeez, just about everything hahaha. Our looks/physique, our height, money, our status, education/intelligence, confidence, humour, size of our manhood and everything you can think of.
Many trivial things too.
Women are just judged on their beauty, and they have the tools to falsify it. Other then that just don’t be a wh*re. Women can even get away with so much bad behaviour and delusional thinking.
It’s almost like god hates men. Yet we’re somehow so ‘privileged.’
I get picked on all the time for my autism! I just process things very differently and slowly.
I don't think men are judged as heavily as women but on the flip side we also receive less support, attention, and resources.
For "chauvinist" behaviour like watching women because they are sexy and a pleasure for the eyes.
Success, being capable of overcoming all odds without showing weakness
Most of the time its just existing if you take into the account the way they are portrayed in film/main stream and social media!
Poor Looks (previously) and no money 😡👿
I think mostly looks tbh. I didn't realize how extreme it was cause I was clueless but today looks is the most important thing.
At the gym I go to young girls are always following me out to see the car I'm driving. I'm not a young girl and I own more than one. Maybe they want to see if the windows are tinted so that we can play with each other in the lot?
Mostly my words. Had decided to withdraw and talk far less, which makes others wonder though.
I don't know and I don't care. I have other important things to worry about.
Height, money, status, penis size, muscular build, etc
Maybe, but it's still something we feel judged on
For my standards for women
Money, height, ambition, career, living with your mother.
Strength, you can google the men are strong, women are pretty trope.
Height, physique & how badly you stare at other women.
... also how openly you flirt with women (like every other woman you get a chance).
never had that issue
Material possessions & social status.
If I get fresh apple juice from between her legs every morning then Society judge me as a gentleman...
Almost everything. From jobs, income, looks, height, physique, etc.
The actions of a minority of men who are complete ace holes.
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