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Why You Should Go Vegan (Page 2)
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If you eat those as is you'll probably get sick.
@adquidorator Lol well of course!
And yet an actual omivore (an animal that's evolved to eat plants and meat) wouldn't.
hmmmmm... O_O
@adquidorator Ahaa, I see where this is going. Well, meat is delicious and I like it! :) <3
Yes, meat is so delicious and I love it
I love bacon
I love steak
I love chicken
I love turkey
I love calamari
I love shrimp
But on the same token I don't have my head stuck so far up my own ass that I would think that a matter so trivial as my culinary satisfaction could justify killing an animal to obtain said meat.
@adquidorator Well other animals kill other animals. Plants are alive and we kill them too. Part of living is death, and the food chain includes a lot of it. It doesn't matter what you're eating, it was once alive whether it be a piece of fruit or a piece of shrimp. Plants live and breath, they eat foods, they get sick. We just can't hear plants when we kill them.
1. 75% of the animals are herbivores
2. Just because it happens in nature doesn't make it OK
3. Even following the laws of nature you could never justify modern farming practices
4. Plants don't feel anything they don't have a CNS while the worlds leading neuroscientists have agreed that at the very least every bird, mammal an cephalopod is conscious in the same way that we are.
@adquidorator Okay, that isn't going to stop me from eating meat. I don't see anything wrong with it and I'm not going to. God gave us plants and animals for consumption. You're really worried about the well being of animals but animals could care less about us. I'd rather focus on other human beings and saving human lives before I think about an animal.
@adquidorator Also I said nothing about a CNS. Plants are still living creatures. Your concern is eating something that was a alive. Plants are alive, but that doesn't stop you from eating them. Plants have babies and that doesn't stop you from eating their babies either. The reason you're fine with eating plants is because they can't talk back, but they're still alive just you, me, and the animals.
"I don't see anything wrong with it and I'm not going to." Whether you see anything wrong with it doesn't change the fact that animals are conscious and suffer the same way we are.
"God gave us plants and animals for consumption." evidence?
"You're really worried about the well being of animals but animals could care less about us. " Animals have exhibited compassion towards humans
"I'd rather focus on other human beings and saving human lives before I think about an animal." And since when did eating meat save lives? IT DOESN'T it just wastes enough food in the US alone to feed 480 million people while 900 million go hungry and 8.5 million every year starve to death.
"Your concern is eating something that was a alive." No it isn't, it's KILLING something that can suffer (which we know animals can)
"The reason you're fine with eating plants is because they can't talk back, but they're still alive just you, me, and the animals." Well neither can animals, but if we don't eat them we'die.
@adquidorator I don't understand your last point but I've seen your comment you've posted and you're making it a point to argue with people who don't agree with you. Why do you care? If other animals were eating people animals would not care. They wouldn't attacking other animals in the animal kingdom for eating humans. Nothing would be done. I didn't say animals didn't feel I said they don't care about us. Because they don't. Not everyone on planet earth has to eat and think like you.
Actually acts of compassion towards other species including protecting them from predators is well documented in animals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lw8_SAtX8o
And no not everyone has to share my opinion on everything but that animals can feel like we can isn't an opinion it's a fact so saying that not everyone has to share my views on things like animal agriculture is like saying not everyone has to share my views that genocide and slavery is wrong.
@adquidorator Lol that's not comparable in any sense of the word. Nonetheless I will continue to eat meat and you will continue to eat veggies. I'm not going to change and I don't want to change. Most people on here don't want to change their eating habits anyway. You're just wasting your breath because no difference will be made, at least when talking me it won't.
Even if you won't be convinced I can still show people on the fence how baseless the justifications for eating meat are.
@adquidorator But I'm not on the fence. If you'd like to share your views with other people then that's more than fine but you don't have to act like people are stupid for eating meat.
I mean someone reading this.
@adquidorator Aha I see. Well I wish you the best. :) Farewell.
"On average, vegans live 10-15 years more than people who eat meat, and are far less likely to get a heart attack or have a high blood pressure."
The worst thing about being an accountant is you know how numbers work. I'm willing to bet this is garbage simply based on the size of the groups; smaller groups tend to have higher averages because they are small, or rather, more extreme averages, so producing a 10~15 year difference is massive, so much so that it would literally shift the national average lifespan, and if considered worldwide, the whole human lifespan by up to +2 years.
Yeah, that's probably bollocks.
Hey guess what?
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Guess what, people do.
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You're right let me correct myself
Hey guess what?
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Except other vegans (especially the ones who think they are superior).
And since when did somebody not caring about something make it OK?
NEWS FLASH: Truth isn't determined in mass appeal.
@adquidorator "truth", okay honey. I don't have time to argue with people like you who feel they are all that and a bag of chips just because they don't eat meat (but you do eat mussels, so I don't see how you are any better). I'll stop responding now. Bye bye.
Lol, that made me laugh.
That animals can feel like we can is a truth that has been agreed by the world leading neuroscientists.
FYI, non vegans do care :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgmjh7bh7Ks
And, if you read my comment, I NEVER SAID I HAD ABSOLUTE TRUTH. I just said that people not caring about something doesn't mean it's not important -_-
vegans don't live longer you're comparing a very specific group of people (vegan) to a very diverse group of people (meat eaters). So with vegans we will see a very accurate mean with a very small standard deviation, but with meat eaters you will see a very inaccurate means with an extremely high standard deviation. Because people who eat meat vary some only eat meat, and live off sticks of butter and have never seen a vegetable. others eat moderate amounts, and will also a result be healthier people. Stop over generalizing.
I disagree with veganism. All humans require meat. That's just how it is. However, I think that meat shouldn't be consumed daily. 3-4 times a week is more than enough.
"I disagree with veganism. All humans require meat."
ROFLMFAO are you serious right now XD
@adquidorator can vegans be healthy without taking supplements?
@Anno_Domini YES
@adquidorator nope.
Many vegans can be healthy without supplements (or at least healthier than a person who follows a SAD). Plus, if you actually tried to eat meat the way actual omnivores ate it you'd probably die of food poisoning within a week.
Let me ask you this: If we didn't EAT these animals, that are bred PURELY for life in domestication, what do you think would happen to them, these billions of farm animals where we have no other place for?
1. The Meat Industry has always had this problem and it's one I'm hoping will be solved, but I'm not going green for it.
2. So you're saying if I don't enjoy some of the best foods on Earth and torture myself, I might live to 100?
3. These animals cannot go anywhere else. The only option is to eat them, otherwise we'll just, what? Let them go? And have them either outcompete native species or just die off themselves? Where's your genius plan? And what about plants, those which are much more beneficial to your atmosphere?
The Meat Industry is a corrupt, horrible thing, and needs to be changed, yes. But meat is delicious, meat is healthy, if eaten right, and it's one of the best foods, in my opinion. OH YEAH, AND VEGETABLES ARE FUCKING GROSS
Well said.
Agreed I'm doing it for ethical reasons the more you understand evolution and your place within the animal kingdom the less you can construct walls to avoid feeling empathy. However being that the majority population are meat eaters my guess is your suggestions won't be so well received. Also as for the whole " vegans are attention seekers how do you spot one? Don't worry they will tell you" is complete b. s. As a guy who has fairly " macho" friends I'm too embarrassed to tell anyone and keep it on the low.
My pre-contest, summer cutting diet I'm on rn is literally anti-vegan. Meat, eggs, cheese, etc low low carbs. Animal products only lol
you use that to cut?
@the_rake high protein, low carb. Keto
true, but there is a lot of cholesterol, e. g. the eggs and cheese and stuff. I'd have thought vegan stuff would be helpful for cutting the fat but then I don't really know much about bodybuilding diets I am just interested to find out.
@the_rake check out articles on keto diets, bodybuilding. com has great content
@the_rake I ate nothing but high fat meat and eggs a couple years ago, without counting calories (but typically 2-3000 a day), and I was the skinniest I've ever been in my life, without exercise.
@Anno_Domini yeah but unless you're a humongous bodybuilder like constant your body is going to b respond in a different way. Still I will just have to take the word of the guy that competes professionally - cutting down the fat from enormous calorific surplus to improve muscle tone right before a show.
@the_rake the cholesterol doesn't matter on a low carb diet. It's the sugar/carbs that makes your blood stick to the artery walls.
@Anno_Domini fair dos, I will have to read more on the subject.
Do you stay under 20g carb a day?
@OrdinaryGentleman not that low like 100-150
@Anno_Domini It's the sugar/carbs that makes your blood stick to the artery walls.
No they do not, research proving to the contrary. Whole grains protect against heart disease.
@the_rake Basically its ketogenic diet. Instead of glucose primary fuel, body switches to burning fat as secondary fuel, as there is not much glucose to burn.
@Oram52
there's other - more damaging - kinds of sugars besides glucose. glycogen is the main one you've got to look out for.
@the_rake Glycogen is just our energy store, its broken down into glucose. Its processed sugar or refined flour etc. Not sugars in their natural form. Fruit are full of sugar, high in fructose. Yet no negative effects rather the opposite. Hence to eat 9 portions of fruit and veg.
@the_rake Glycogen is made of glucose. Our bodies produce glycogen, it's not harmful.
@nog642 yeah I know, I was getting glucose mixed up with fructose.
You could also do that using soy spiraling nutritional yeast pea protein powder... toucan have a solid protein diet and be vegan. Your meat diet... did you poop at all during That year?
@Azara Lol, there's specific reasons why male fitness fanatics don't consume soy
In the animal kingdom most animals have always eaten other animals are you going to start preaching to them next? Their sacrifice is so I can live I'm diabetic and theirs not enough nutrition in vegan to sustain me versus meat. Do these animals contribute anything to society besides food? No they don't have much feelings and I don't think they even care if their killed or not. "On average, vegans live 10-15 years more than people who eat meat, and are far less likely to get a heart attack or have a high blood pressure." Source?
Actually 75% of all animals are herbivores and she isn't "preaching" if she wrote her view on the topic on a post that you WILLINGLY CHOSE TO READ!!!
"Do these animals contribute anything to society besides food? No they don't have much feelings and I don't think they even care if their killed or not."
Uhuh and have you ever heard of a little something called the Cambridge declaration on consciousness?
@adquidorator " she isn't "preaching" if she wrote her view on the topic on a post that you WILLINGLY CHOSE TO READ!!!" That is a meaningless argument, I don't have to like what I read.
You don't have to like it but as long as you willingly chose to read it she isn't preaching squat.
Funny how you have a picture of a cow with her calf in what appears to be very nice pasture... I'm sure some people treat animals like shit but you can hardly put everyone in the same category, not sure if you've actually seen farms in real life like I have, but at least here in Manitoba our cows are treated well, regardless of if they're beef or dairy, massive fields with fresh grass for all.
I typically don't eat a lot of meat because it's expensive. But it is a good source of protein. Soybeans can contain high levels of plant estrogen which I think is not good to eat a lot of?
Anyway, the only reason I'd choose to steer clear of meat is all those artificial hormones and antibiotics they constantly pump through them, and also the effect the livestock industry has on the environment.
The Ecosystem works in a particular way to stop overpopulation of a species and extinction of another. Humans are naturally omnivores, we produce acids which digest meat. If you told a lion to go vegan the amount of plants would run out and the gazelles, antelope, rhinos and also lions would die 😭
good job we aren't lions so that wouldn't happen.
Lions are carnivores. We're omnivores.
@Josht11 yeah true
I prefer the meat I harvest myself. There's no chemicals in them. Birds are my favorite. Pheasant, quail, partridge and grouse. Yummy! Plus my dogs (2 yellow labs) are amazing on the hunt. So smart, they out smart the birds and find them for me. I love being out in nature and there will always be hunting so learn to live with it. My culture is different than yours. That doesn't make me bad or evil, does it?
Dude , meat is tasty, looks and tastes delicious, vegans are dumb, weak and stupid people they have no idea what theyre missin on, more meat for us i guess, whats next? giving every cow an Ipad and teaching Pig to solve math equations? get real people, the years are passing and the people are getting dumber and more pussier with time, man the fck up please.
diseased veg makes you sick diseased poultry kills you.
wrong comment
Vegan people should shut the fuck up about being vegan 😒
And in the 1800s abolitionists should have shut up about being abolitionists :)
Of course notwithstanding she put her view on a take that you WILLINGLY CHOSE TO READ.
Honestly, don't people realize that when they complain about vegans trying to push their views on a webpage that you chose to view and you say things like "shut the fuck" all you're doing is making an ass of yourself.
Shut the fuck up bcz vegan sounds while we wanna do what we do bcz we don't care... right? It's funny some people try to be nice forgot about being nice with other species... also the species which came way before humans itself!
@rocccky idc
I have no misunderstanding that u do care dear :) my only point is when we can get advertisement about Mc Donald's beef or sth sth... then y vegan advertisement bothers u? Diffrence in opinion is okay... the only logical explanation is that u know vegan speaks right but u r too deeply into something that u can't change even if u know it's wrong. Rest is urs wish.. I don't criticise people who are non vegan.. :)
@rocccky I wasn't talking about vegan advertising thier food , but I am talking like let's say your a vegan and I eat meat we go to restaurant and we eat you order what u want I order what I want I don't have to hear you preaching me about meat that's the kind of thing I was talking about
Dude.. I don't know about urs.. but the opp is rather true and even more intense😂... whenever I go in restraunt wth frnds I can't order vegan without hearing the protein lecture, about food chain and who is on th top, about how we have canine teeths , and sometimes even as stupid as plants also feel pain talk😂😂😂. Sorry if any vegan gave u hard time 😂, but it's not the property of vegan people, it's just may be Ur frnds are little noisy😂
While I agree that some of the treatment of animals raised for food is not ethical you can buy meat/seafood that is not injected with hormones and is raised cage free/ethically.
Also if you do go vegan you'd better be buying all organic fruits and vegetables, because the non organic is chocked full of hormones as well.
it is a well known fact that vegans are always on supplements because they mis out nutriets that are in meats and shellfish which are necessary to be healthy. i dont have access to these supplements at all times, and they can be expensive.
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It's hard to implant guilt in those that don't give a shit.
I've been thinking about how good it would be to get some buffalo meat and venison for over a week. Thanks for giving me the last push I needed : D *thumbs up *
You do realize that posting crap like that (showing that you can do something when someone posted a take trying to convince you to do something that you willingly clicked and chose to read) is only showing how insecure you are with your own actions (and I know because I was once in your shoes)?
Buffalo is great. My town borders on the Shoshone/Bannock reservation and they hunt buffalo and sell the meat. It's a lot like beef but it's still a little different, a tiny bit gamier but great. I've eaten a lot of deer, I've only got one deer but it was great some other is very gamey and not good. Try some elk and moose, they're good too.
@SüßeJäger buffalo has always tasted sweeter and more tender. Love it. I've never tried elk tho. That sounds interesting
@adquidorator lol. I'm sure that's it.
Lol that guy thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He likes to hear himself talk.
@SüßeJäger And how does a baseless assertion refute any point that I made?
@adquidorator I wouldn't call it baseless, considering you replied a similar response to about half the comments on this post. It's a reasonable assertion, but yes it does not refute anything you said... that aside. Your assertion actually is baseless.
I made no assertions, I only stated facts. As for hearing myself talk, well if I did that all I would do is write mytakes instead of engaging in dialogue.
@adquidorator lol ok. Whatever you wanna think.
@SüßeJäger lol yea. Another guy that states his opinion as if it's fact xD. Guys like that kill me lol. Good call jager.
Lol yeah his opinion is totally correct... to him. Can't argue with someone that is totally correct, can you? Our cultures are different and neither is right or wrong. They're just different.
Nothing I stated was opinion
@SüßeJäger This has nothing to do with opinion.
sorry, culture.
@adquidorator ok, great.
@adquidorator cool story broseph
Lol every time I run into someone like this, it makes me think of that south park episode where they move to San Francisco and how the people there are so snobby and think they're better than everyone else cuz the drive hybrid cars and they smell their own farts cuz they're so stuck on themselves. Lol, it makes me laugh every time.
@SüßeJäger You're calling me "snobby" when you're the one with your head stuck so far up your own ass that you would think that satisfying your taste buds could justify killing a sentient animal ROFLMFAO
NEWS FLASH: Actions speak louder than words.
@adquidorator get ahold of your master and have them talk to us. The adults can talk this all out.
@adquidorator you don't think for yourself. So I might as well get it from the source.
@adquidorator yep, that's me. Me and the other 98% of the planet.
@SüßeJäger The human population is only around 7 billion while there are trillions of animals on this earth. Again, you're just showing how egotistical you are.
@adquidorator yep that's me.
Vegans are insane...
the largest % of non meat eaters in the world is in India and the life expectancy is only 66 years old. Compared to the US which is 79 (even with all the fat slobs eating McDonalds every day bringing down the average)
Yeah and the difference in access to clean water, sanitation and medical care between the two countries has nothing to do with that, right -_-
@adquidorator the Health care in India is actually pretty advanced. but they still are pretty bad compared to other countries.
Iran- 75
Syria - 76
Turkey - 75
Mexico - 75