I believe it is too difficult to gain muscle without using steroids, don't you agree?

[Vivaldi]

I lift weight. I force myself as hell. I get pretty fucked up forcing myself too much but can't gain any muscle. I believe If I was on steroids, I would be able to gain muscle. That is what I believe.

[Phoenix98]

There more to gaining muscle then just lifting.

The questions you need to ask are

Is your form perfect? if not then your not going to make that much progress.

Are you just lugging around heavy weight with imperfect form? if so lighten the load and lift with perfect form or near perfect, you'll make more progress doing that then you will lugging around heavy weights with no form.

What's your diet like? are you eating enough daily protein, carbs and fat? are you eating the right kinds of food? are you meeting your daily nutritional needs. Is your body getting what it needs to keep up with the lifting and what is your diet like?

What is your program like? are you doing cardio, strength training etc, what is your set/rep setup like? how many days do you take off, how many days do you workout and how many times a week are you working out each body part and are you working out the same body part back to back.

And are you getting enough sleep and have a balance and stable sleeping pattern. Because the body is repairing your muscles and making them bigger and stronger while you sleep, when your asleep is the time when your body is doing things like that.

Source: Bodybuilder, certified professional trainer.

[Vivaldi]

I don't stick to a program, I always change it from time to time. Since my English is not my native language, I have some difficulty explaining things.

I take one day working and one day off. In off days I do cardio, I can also do cardio in working days as well because I gain fat when I don't do cardio. I believe my metabolism is slow. He likes gaining fat so much. I try to disapoint him forcing him not to gain fat. I really believe my metabolism is so slow because as I stop doing cardio, I gain weight in just a few days. And it doesn't stop gaining weight until I start doing cardio again.

I do;

Bench Press
Shoulder Press
Dumbell Fly
Push ups with bodyweight
Biceps
Triceps
Lateral raise
Bent over lateral raise
Deadlift
Pullover

I have 2 dumbells that can change weight.

[Phoenix98]

Well if you don't have a program and you only workout 1 day a week and then oen day of cardio that's your problem.

You need to find a program and stick to it what I find works best is to workout 5 days a week Monday through Friday work out one major body part everyday with supplementary/secondary training on some days like this.

Monday: Chest/Abs

Tuesday: Shoulders/Traps/Cardio

Wednesday: Arms

Thursday: Back/Cardio

Friday: Legs/Abs

When you do the cardio have it only be cycling, as cycling on a stationary bike is one of the best ways to lose fat, and never do 2-3 hour cardio sessions limit it to 20-45 minutes each session no more. Alternate between moderate and intense, intensities.

Also take a look at your diet and nutrition what you eat and drink there must be something your consuming that is making you gain weight like that.

Drinks that you can drink that will help you lose weight and fat are, green tea, white tea and black coffee.

[Phoenix98]

As a personal trainer this is my professional advice to you.

[Vivaldi]

I said I don't stick to a program. I said one day working one day off. I lift weight once every 2 days. One day working, One day off.

[Vivaldi]

When I said one day off, one day working. I believed my English made sense. But I saw it did not make sense to you. What does this mean to you when I say one day is off, one day is working? It means working once every 2 days. One day off, One day Working

[Vivaldi]

As a personal trainer, you dont even understand what I am saying to you.

[Vivaldi]

I sometimes separate moves into 2 different days to make more sets, sometimes not. Sometimes I do them all on the same day. That is what I mean by not sticking to a program. I take one day working and one day off, which means I do lifting once every 2 days. Only 1 day is off. I may do cardio all the time both working and off days.

[Phoenix98]

Your English was fine but you didn't specify one day working and one day off can have two meanings. I know what your saying though.

Even so without actually sticking to a program and working extremely hard consistently your not going to get anywhere, that's the cold hard truth.

What your doing is not working, so stop doing it and pick up a program that actually works and has what you need goal wise and follow it. Otherwise your progress is at best going to be very slow and at worst your lack of motivation will kill it for you altogether and you'll just stop and then start again later on when it' back up.

If you want to gain muscle find a proven program by someone who's knows what they're doing like a personal trainer like me or a bodybuilder who met his goals. Talk with trainers, talk with bodybuilders go to forums research and learn.

That's all there is to it, find a program designed and tailored for muscle growth, strength and size and follow it,

[Phoenix98]

and talk with trainers and other bodybuilders, fitness men and women on bodybuilding. com.

Now you can either listen to the guy who has a certification/degree in this field and follow my advice or you can keep doing what your doing and not gain anything. Your choice.

FYI I already have a couple ideas as to why what your doing isn't working just by what I've read.

[Truthatanycost]

It's not too difficult but it is challenging. Our bodies strive to be efficient which means it does not want too much fat or too much muscle. I bet your issue is related to your calorie intake, amount of sleep and micro nutrients. Have you been doing compound movements?

We can also gain muscle without realising or seeing it in the mirror too.

[Vivaldi]

I gained 5 kilograms but I believe most of it is unwanted weight, by which I mean is fat. As you say I cannot see any muscle in my body except for a little musle in arms. Arms seem to devolop easier. I see a fatty body with a little muscle in arms. My body mass index is 23.6 by the way. I don't know about my body fat percentage, all I know is my BMI being 23.6 right now.

[redeyemindtricks]

As @chico_brah says... You need to max out yr NATURAL muscular development BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT touching these kinds of drugs.

If you start blasting steroids at an underdeveloped musculature, then yr connective tissue will start to lag far behind.
Translation: You'll eventually rip the tendons of large muscles right off of the bones... while lifting heavy loads with them.

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Here. I got something for you.

If you EVER feel like going on steroids without lifting for AT LEAST 5 YEARS first... and without MAXIMIZING the amount of muscle (and connective tissue) you can put on yr frame NATURALLY first...

... then watch this. Watch it over and over and over and over, until you realize just how much of a horribly stupid idea that is.

Really... watch it.

If you have food in yr mouth, swallow it all first. Maybe wait an hour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LUFbjh7Z0c

You want that?

If not, lift as hard as you can. FOR FIVE YEARS. Before you even THINK about touching those drugs.

You're welcome.

[Chico_brah]

Goddamn that was painful to watch.

[redeyemindtricks]

@Chico_brah If that doesn't make the point, then, nothing will.

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[Vivaldi]

Are you implying that I won't gain muscle on steroids because I can't gain muscle naturally? I believe that is uncorrect. Having more testesterone change things. Makes it more possible to gain muscle.

[redeyemindtricks]

Ok, I'll give you a pass because English isn't yr first language.

Steroids cause:
1) Growth of muscles out of proportion with connective tissue (ligaments and tendons)
2) Growth of individual muscles out of proportion with each other

If you already have a well-developed musculature, these are lesser problems. Still problems, but LESSER problems.

If you don't, then they are major injuries waiting to happen.

#1 -- The guy in the video tore BOTH quadriceps tendons RIGHT OFF THE BONES... AT THE SAME TIME.
He probably had the MUSCLE to squat 600lbs... with the TENDONS to squat 250 or 300.

#2 -- Same kind of thing. If you don't have good musculature already and you train one group more than the oppositional group (chest more than back, quads more than hamstrings, etc), you'll get hurt really bad, really fast.

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MOST IMPORTANTLY... YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE DOING with these drugs, so, leave them alone. Go lift HEAVY and eat CLEAN.

For 3-5 years.

[RachelBrigs]

The human body builds muscle naturally when proper nutrition and exercise is utilized. However, not everyone builds muscle quickly or easily. Some people can't gain as much as others. This depends on your genetics, hormones, etc.

You may not even be doing it right. I suggest doing a lot of research. Diet is important, a good balance of carefully timed carbs and proteins is important as well as a good caloric intake. If you do things right and stick with it, you'll see results, but you can't expect to look like someone you see at the gym bc you have different genes and hormonal profiles.

[TiffyPuff]

That's obviously stupid.

Do yourself a favor. Talk to a nutritionist and a personal trainer and actually learn how the body works. Learn what to eat and how much. How much you should exercise, what reps and sets, how many days. How long to rest and recover properly... get smart.

Steroids are a shortcut that will destroy your body. And you can destroy your body's natural ability to produce testosterone by taking steroids.

I'll add: if you are forcing yourself that hard, you are way overtraining. Use your brain, talk to a personal trainer.

[Josephmatthews24]

Simplify your program do the strong lifts 5x5 program and eat a lot of good clean calories. Once you can squat 2x your weight, bench 1.5x, and squat 2x split it into a upper body and lower body day, then a rest day, repeat. Only do steroids after you plateau. You have to remember as a beginner doing 3x10 won't make you grow the way it does someone he is stronger. Body builders grow the way the do because they bench 375x10 not 115x10.

Cliff notes
Build strength first using strong lifts 5x5, don't do a standard bodybuilding program until your already strong

[JohnDoe3000]

You probably need to eat more protein, easiest way to do this in a controlled fashion and without sugar and fat is protein powder. Keep eating everything you already eat and add 50 grams of protein powder (dissolved in water) each day. This should help a lot, provided you're not starving yourself and are lifting properly.

[AhGojira]

It's actually really easy to bulk for me, but I'm a mesomorph with high testosterone. I was involved in sport since I was 5 years old. I was 220 LB of muscle in 7th grade from wrestling... I never used steroids.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

220 in 7th grade? You really are gojira 😳

[AhGojira]

@Other_Tommy_Wiseau I was 215 in 6th grade, 220 in 7th and 8th grade... Yeah I use to push 600 lb rolled up wrestling mats solo in middle school. You get strong by working hard.

[Vivaldi]

Are you sure it was not fat you were building? Was your body fat law?

[Vivaldi]

I dont know what it means to push 600 lb rolled up wrestling mats solo.

[Vivaldi]

Do you mean bench press?

[AhGojira]

Dude I was a state champion wrestler at 220 LB. We had to do a lot of work and were generally encouraged to cut weight to wrestle at lower weight classes. Guys use to run in parking garages with garbage bags on in 97 F weather to drop weight before tournaments if they didn't make weight. While we had 2 fat guys on our team that were up in the 270 - 290 LB range everyone else was low body fat including me at 220 LB and another heavy weight at 235 who's father use to compete in international weight lifting competitions. Go actually train as a wrestler 3 days a week and compete every weekend for a few years and learn what shit is about before you talk shit. Most people can't handle it.

I'd say the closet exercise to pushing rolled up wrestling mats would be sled pushes. I lift weights occasionally now, but I'm no gym rat and frankly I don't know my max right now. I think the last time I was doing sets of bench presh I had 250 LB on the bar which isn't a huge deal for someone my size...

[Vivaldi]

I am endomorph. I gain fat when I gain weight. All I can see is a fatty body with a little arm muscle :D My body mass index is 23.6. I dont know my body fat. I must be having lots of fat. What makes me look bigger than a skinny lean person is the fat I have on me for sure :D

[AhGojira]

It's more important to be strong then cut in my opinion... If you want to be cut like an ectomorph you're going have to work a lot harder than them doing cardio and monitor your diet. You should be able to bulk though, you'll just also tend to gain fat at the same time...

[Vivaldi]

I can do 30 push ups in one set with correct form, by which I mean I go all the way down and up but when I was too tried in 20s, I stand still when I was way up just breathing 3 seconds in the position to make a few more reps. I can do 30 this way but I go all the way down and up. This is correct form. I don t do half push ups.

I bench press with 2 of 23.75 kilograms dumbells. I do 7 reps in first set. I do 1 rep less each set. Second set is 6 reps. Third set is 5 reps.

I shoulder press with 2 of 20 kilograms dumbells and I do 5 reps in first set. 3 reps in second reps.

I deadlift with 2 of 23.75 kilograms dumbells and I do more than 10 reps. 12-14 reps in one set.

[AhGojira]

Try this out: https://hundredpushups.com/index.html

[LunaLawliet]

Steroids fuck you up. Don't use them.

www.m.webmd.com/.../why-steroids-are-bad-for-you

[sleetynine018]

Mate when you say "I get pretty fucked up forcing myself too much", you're saying without noticing that you're over training. You know what that is? When you over train gains won't come. I've been 2 year at the gym and i've gained a lot of gains doing a 4 day workout. Yea, it's hard but it's worth it. Are you endomorph, mesomorph or ectomorph? I can help you if you want :)

[Vivaldi]

Endomorph. I gain fat when I stop doing cardio.

[sleetynine018]

Ok you're just like me. Do this:
1. Dont be afraid of protein she is your best friend;
2. Dont be afraid of fat she is your friend;
3. Carbs are your enemy! Avoid them but dont stop completely eating them (low-glycemic one's) because they will be stored as glycogen;
4. Go to the gym as often as you can;
5. 2 or 3 cardio training per week (hiit if you can do it);
6. Focus on muscle training because an increased amount of muscle mass will increase your base metabolic rate, thereby decreasing the chance of storing/holding onto fat cells.

And last but not least, never give up, im an endomorph too and good shit can happen, if you do it right ;)

[IsraelJordan]

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[Vivaldi]

High calories make me Fat. I dont want. I am already eating meat. What I need is not extra protein to ve Obese

[Vivaldi]

To be obese

[takumii]

Muscle gain is like weight loss but harder.
It took you 3-4 years to loose weight, it'll take you 3-4 years to get proper defined muscles.
You have to put 1 hour of dedicated effort everyday and eat healthy.

[Vivaldi]

Losing weight is not as difficult as gaining muscle. I managed to lose 24 kilograms but can not gain amy muscle

[Vivaldi]

Cannot gain any muscle

[Vivaldi]

It took me 5 months to lose 23 kilograms. Losing weight happens pretty fast if you do a lot of cardio.

[Aweir]

Are you progressing on your lifts? Are you getting enough volume? Enough rest? Is your diet good? Steroids aren't magic pills like most people think, you still have to put in the work

[Vivaldi]

One Day rest, One day working but in off days, I do cardio because I gain fat when I stop doing cardio. I don't think I eat a lot but I gain fat. I must have a slow metabolism. I believe I am endomorph. I was fat and I lost a lot of weight and right now I have a slow metabolism. I gained back a little weight I had lost after I stopped doing cardio so I do cardio all the times not to keep gaining fat.

[Vivaldi]

I managed to remain at the same weight for a few months by doing a lot of cardio. After a few months of reamining at the same weight, I stopped doing cardio and I gain back 5 kilograms way very fast after I stopped doing cardio. Then I started doing cardio again and my gaining weight stopped, I started remaining at the same weight after I gained 5 kilograms. Stopped gaining more weight.

[Bandit74]

I think it varies from person to person. Some people put on muscle more easily than others and start to plateau at different points.

It also depends on how big you want to be.

[Chico_brah]

Lmao. No I gained a ridiculous amount of muscle before I even touched steroids.

[Anonymous]

Same. I can get stronger, but basically don't gain muscle even with a great program, good form, good nutrition.

I suspect in my case stress is a cultprit but stressing about that doesn't help.

[Anonymous]

It's takes a few months to gain 1 pound of muscle just be consistent and don't give up. If you take steroids your penis will be tiny it's a fact

[Omar5881]

Steroids are shit just eat good , increase your calories intake and take your whey protein

[Vivaldi]

I gain fat when I increase my calories.

[Omar5881]

What calories you eat , and there's a difference between gaining fats and muscles

[Vivaldi]

General, all.

[ElissaDido]

Change your diet, eat more proteins

[NajemEddine]

do u lift waight too :p
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[ElissaDido]

@NajemEddine I used to but I'm getting back to it :)

[NajemEddine]

i like lifting.
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. cake.
chocolate
. sweets :p

[Vivaldi]

@NajemEddine

A girl on steroids?

[NajemEddine]

why not women have lower muscle mass than men

[Vivaldi]

@NajemEddine

A woman is not supposed to look like a man, is she?

[NajemEddine]

well in this day and age the image of men and women are vague

[redeyemindtricks]

@NajemEddine Do you *actually* not understand why it's dangerous for women to use anabolic drugs? Or are you just trolling

[Chico_brah]

@redeyemindtricks I like my women on a weekly gram of test minimum.

[NajemEddine]

@redeyemindtricks well many female atheletes use them

[redeyemindtricks]

@NajemEddine Yes, I know... I'm a fitness professional.

There are a handful of steroidal drugs that are safe for women in VERY small, VERY short-term doses -- and dose testosterone supplementation is safe and highly desirable once perimenopause sets in (age 40-45) -- but, these girls are still playing with fire.

• Infertility or reduced fertility: irreversible, once it happens.

• Masculinization of the body and genitalia, hair growth, etc: irreversible, once it happens.

• Skeletal effects: irreversible, once they happen.

• Voice deepening: irreversible, once it happens.

These things are NOT like M-to-F hormonal changes, which generally start reversing themselves as soon as the hormone supplementation stops.
Once these kinds of changes occur they last FOREVER -- for the same reasons why boys can't reverse puberty.

[redeyemindtricks]

*LOW-dose testosterone supplementation

[NajemEddine]

@redeyemindtricks some will do anything to win

[reixun]

You need that protein shake no homo

[Vivaldi]

They would make me Fat without steroid

[Vivaldi]

Protein shakes