Why do female health care workers treat men like babies?

[ManOnFire]

There is often the attitude women have that men are being babies about how they're feeling physically, and they say men don't go to the doctor, but when you do, they treat you like you're complaining about nothing.

Last week I woke up in the middle of the night feeling something in my chest and my whole body felt semi-numb, even my blood pressure felt low. What I was feeling in my chest eventually passed but the rest of what was going on in my body just didn't feel right. I was like, 'Is this what they say a stroke feels like before a heart attack?' I went in to get checked out. The female nurses acted like I was coming in for nothing after they took my vitals. Even the female doctor did too, and just said it was probably anxiety.

Needless to say, everything came back normal - and I'm glad, but with how I was feeling I just wanted to be sure it wasn't some stroke or anything in the works. If I had've chosen not to go and ended up dead, and they saw it on the news, I'll bet those women would've said it was because I wouldn't go to the doctor.

The irony? I've been in the ER overnight before, and have heard female nurses being super sweet and caring to drug addicts laying in beds next to mine. Sad.

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Thanks for everybody who understood where I was coming from. For the record, I don't even hate health care workers - we need them, and I'm one of their supporters in their struggles, but at the same time it's a two-way street. I hate the patients who treat them like shit - and I've seen that too - but it's also not fair for a medical worker to try to brush you off either. Don't forget that you can be somebody's patient too, and wouldn't like them doing to you what you do to others.

[Datboi65]

Medical student here. Interesting enough, I'm in my last preclinical year and we have a course about "patient doctor interactions" that includes addressing patient's complaints even if they weren't as "critical" let's say. Patient insists that they have a kidney disease after back pain and lab results are negative? Still no need to be insulting. Patient complaining about nonspecific abdominal pain and physical exam + lab results are fine? No need to tell people that they are overreacting.

There are multiple reasons that can cause chest pain, some are more critical than others. (Myocardial infarction, acute coronary syndrome, angina pectoris, GERD...) Since you are only 37 and I'm assuming you are physically active, it's unlikely you have hypertension or diabetes type 2/ elevated fats that can cause reduction in you heart or brain oxygen supply. There are still some congenital heart conditions that people often discover by chance, like an Atrial Septal defect or a Ventricular Septal Defect. Not to worry for the most part, you are probably on the safe side.

Not to bore you with the details, the problem in health care is that the more we study, the more we tend to see the patient as a "medical problem to be solved". Almost like a mathematical equation. If there are no underlying issues, then that's it. There were no emphasis on paying attention to complaints, only of how we can solve the existing problem. So what was the result? We can come across as dry or dismissive, especially if it was a long shift.

Having said that, that was the past attitude (although some people are stuck in the past). Now we try to also focus on the patient's concerns as well, but there are certain situations where we have to follow protocols (almost like acting on autopilot mode) and that would be in an emergency situation.

What your complaint was from my understanding was that AFTER they took your vitals and they came back normal, they became dismissive. I would say that it was completely unprofessional from their part. Usually the first thing that needs to be done is eliminating the possibility of a heart attack, but we still need to consider other sources of chest pain. If that was a heart burn (due to stomach acid climbing back into the esophagus) then it also needs to be pharmacologically treated. Regardless, even if everything was normal, it was still unjustified and unnecessary.

I don't think that this behavior is unique to women though because I've personally seen some male doctors acting unprofessionally as well. I will say though that when it comes to Black people, we are often treated as if we have a "higher pain tolerance" which is probably why you were being dismissed. Medical racism is real. I'm not trying to give you any ideas, but that could potentially be a reason although I don't have the full context.

Don't be afraid to give constructive criticism as a form of feedback. Lord knows, there are plenty of people who need that. We are thoroughly checked every step of the way in med school and residency that by the time we start practice we think that we know everything, but we do need a reality check every now and then.

I'm glad you doing better g 🙏🏾

[ManOnFire]

No, I think you spoke well. That was the second time I'd ever experienced that kind of thing, so that's why I wanted to go to the hospital. I was told by the doctor who saw me before that if it ever happens again don't hesitate to get looked at. He said the same thing, that you're young and healthy but that anyone of any age can still get a stroke. So I got freaked out when I felt like that again.

[Datboi65]

It's true, but extremely rare. A stroke would have to be associated with the total blockage of the cerebral artery and lack of oxygen supply to the brain, which usually take DECADES for the atherosclerotic plaque to develop until that can happen. Moreover, it is associated with certain risks like hypertension, obesity, diabetes, smoking and so on which I don't think is a problem of yours. Since you don't seem to be having any further complications at the moment, my advice for you is to get a GP appointment and let them take your full patient history and lab tests (EKG, blood pressure, troponin markers) to basically confirm that there are no underlying cardiovascular problems. I would try and get it done as soon as possible after a myocardial event, since the level these troponin markers stays elevated in the blood for about 8-14 days after a suspected heart attack. Try to see what your options are, and if the results come back negative then you don't have to worry about anything further.

[Mangospacho]

In all fairness, they kinda treat everyone like they’re babies, especially at larger facilities like hospitals.

[ManOnFire]

Fair enough.

[APrettyLittleLady87]

@ManOnFire I work in addiction treatment as a nurse. You wanna know what many patients explain withdrawl as. It's having your muscles and guts ripped out. It's having hot pokers shoved under your skin. It's an agony non-addicts will never understand or feel. If it's not properly monitored fatal because the stress can cause cardiac arrest.

Not to mention while in withdrawal addicts become irrational and dangerous not to themselves but others. I've seen addicts on withdrawl run out into busy streets full of traffic because couldn't wait the 10 minutes to see a doctor for treatment at the clinic.

So those medical professionals are more than justified in being 'super sweet'.

You can try to be like them by showing empathy, kindness & understanding for others.

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WHAT I want to understand is what did you want these nurses and doctors to do.

You have said elsewhere you didn't want someone to hold your hand, but you're complaining in your initial post about the fact that they didn't hold your hand.

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"but with how I was feeling I just wanted to be sure it wasn't some stroke or anything in the works" - They tested you.

They would've run a test for Troponin for risk or past of a heart attack. They may have even run a blood test for blood clots if you're overweight, poor health or family history.

If they felt you were at risk of a stroke they would've run an MRI or a CT scan and if they didn't & you're so concerned then you should've demanded it. I did that with my mother just last month and we didn't leave the hospital til she had a CT & seen a neurologist.

Either way you say that your test results were normal.

[ManOnFire]

Your answer is eerily identical to BigWhiteWolf's. If you're her with another account, then that's even worse, and I definitely won't take you seriously now.

[whirled_up_girl]

Well that shouldn’t happen. I work as a nurse in a hospital and I take every patient’s concern seriously whether that’s symptoms of a stroke, heart attack or anything else. I’ve been in situations where even a minor complaint of chest pain was a true myocardial infarction so I don’t take any chances. I wouldn’t anyway but still. It sounds like the ER nurse you had might be apathetic from possibly burnout. I’m not excusing her behavior at all just explaining that I see it happen after nurses do this job for years and deal with issues such a short staffing, and disrespect from management, doctors, even patients and visitors. It isn’t right though to treat you that way. Please continue to go and checked out if you have concerning symptoms it’s best to be on the safe side.

[ManOnFire]

Thank you for understanding.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

One time I dislocated my leg from my hip and when I got to the hospital they rolled me into an x-ray room on a stretcher.

So there's this big table in the middle and the stretcher is maybe an inch or two lower than the x-ray table and they just stare at me and go "alright, get in"

So I'm kinda laughing now because I'm like "guys, do you know why I'm here?" 😂

Then they told me that because of insurance or something I had to get myself on there. I was kinda in shock because it seemed like trying to get up there myself could potentially make the injury worse. They made me feel like I was being a baby so I pushed my self up off the stretcher a few times but as my pelvis lifted off the stretcher, my leg stayed in place.

Which hurt like a bitch but also made me laugh because of how ridiculous the whole situation was.

I'm like "guys, my leg is literally not attached to the rest of my body. What do you do when people come in with spinal injuries?"

It was at this point I started to realize these might have been med students because there were probably 10 people in this x-ray room that followed me in all really young.

I feel like they didn't believe me because then my doctor came in (who we both knew eachother already) he sarcastically busts into the room and goes

"what's he on? Advil?" Proceeds to open a folder and stare at what were probably my x-rays and goes "holy shit, somebody get him a morphene drip."

Im pretty sure I started crying tears of joy at this point because it was easily the most painful thing that's ever happened to me and no one believed me that my hip got dislocated and when I asked for something stronger than Advil the nurse looked at me like I was a drug addict off the street. 😂

[ManOnFire]

That. Is. Fucked. Up.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

This question is making me think about that day in a whole new perspective. Looking back, it was hard to take the situation seriously because nobody else was.

[Razp_Sorbet]

They treat everyone like that not just men.

Couple years ago I went to the er at like 3 in the morning because of extreme pain. I was shaking, couldn't sit still, couldn't get comfortable. I got triaged immediately, blood pressure was normal. They put a line in, gave me an anti anxiety med to calm me down then told me that they were putting a really strong anti inflammatory through the line. Had an ultrasound an hour later, discovered I had a giant gallstone blocking a duct. Was still in a lot of pain, after 4hrs I got given morphine. Go discharged, looked at my discharge form the next day, that really strong antiinflammatory? Placebo. They thought I was just having an anxiety attack.

[Kimchi_doll]

Reading this made me so irritated. Assuming is so bad when it comes to healthcare

[ManOnFire]

@Razp_Sorbet That’s the same shit they told me that night. 'Anxiety.'

[Kimchi_doll]

@ManOnFire it’s like they assume you can’t possibly know that something is wrong since you didn’t go to medical or nursing school yet. Even if ur in pain

[Razp_Sorbet]

Mine was definitely a bit of anxiety, but the anxiety started because I had to go to the ER. I was nervous about wasting their time even though according to the nurse at the front desk my pain was probably a 9 (I told her a 7 and she was like, no I see you not able to sit still)

[Razp_Sorbet]

But yeah it was frustrating. The whole process of them having to wait to get my gallbladder removed was also just a nightmare. They literally forgot about me for months and I had to call them to remind them. Had Drs telling me one thing and a specialist surgeon telling me another (trusted the surgeons opinion more)

[ManOnFire]

@Kimchi_doll Yeah, like you're stupid and don't understand your own body.

[Jamie05rhs]

"It's all in your head.". That's the go-to answer when they don't want to do their jobs (or don't know how to.)

[Jamie05rhs]

@Razp_Sorbet "The anxiety started because I had to go to the ER.". EXACTLY! Maybe people have fear of going to the hospital. You would think they would understand that, but I guess not. #commonsense 🤦

I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

[Mansearching]

When I was in the hospital, I never was treated as a baby. They told me to buck up. Even after they shoved the cath in my penis. That shit hurt. One nurse asked me, "Do you need an ice pack as i play the violin?" That sarcasm ticked me off. So i asked for that nurse or tech to never come to my room again and complained. So when it eas removed a different one came in. Lucky me it was a better looking one (ha ha). She did sincerely ask if I needed something for the pain before hand (pun, sorry), which i said yes itll help. I got pain killer in IV which felt great, never felt her take it out.

by the way... I got her number afterwards. Never asked, she gave me it on paper and said, "shh, don't tell anyone." We dated for 6 mths.

[BlackBeauty90]

ROFL. They're being "super sweet" to drug addicts to keep them under control. Most addicts have severe mental health issues and when agitated can be extremely disruptive even dangerous the LAST THING you want in the emergency section of the hospital. Never mind that drug overdose and withdrawal I've been told, the side effects would make many who haven't experienced it before piss and shit their pants.

by the way learn about medical symptoms and conditions even without seeing your stats I can tell you were having a panic attack. Sleep paralysis is exactly what you described. Stroke and heart attack symptoms are not similar whatsoever. But that you jumped to extreme without having any obvious symptoms is a strong indication you're uptight & panicky.

But if concerned talk with your family GP. Hospitals are meant for emergencies - though many other people do abuse it with simple hang nail issues any GP can handle with eyes closed - not to baby.

[BlackBeauty90]

@Datboi65 You claim to be a medical student yet cannot identify that he didn't describe ANY symptoms associated with stroke or heart attack.

As for the staff being dismissive he is in the hospital. Hospitals are for EMERGENCIES though many people abuse the emergency room for very basic things. The staff weren't being dismissive they did their responsibilities it's the patients responsibility to follow up with their family doctor. The hospital medical staff see 5 to 10 times the amount of patients a GP sees every day and bluntly they're not trained or paid to hold hands unless the person is physically or mentally 5

[Datboi65]

Hold on there mama calm down. Why are you hostile? He didn't describe the symptoms because he's not a medical professional, neither do I expect him to know these symptoms. How are you expecting a patient to know what the classification of an AMI is?

Yes, I'm aware of folks abusing the emergency service to get away from work, but there are also people who believe that they might be suffering from a critical condition that turns out to be OK. The staff did their responsibility to assess the problem, but they could've done it more professionally. Also, I know how hectic an ER and I already mentioned that they have to be on autopilot mode, so I don't know what you're talking about. He said that AFTER they ruled out the problem they told him that he was being a baby, not during the process. The golden rule is to not interfere with their work, but why do you have to be an asshole after you're done? That's not a part of the job.

[BlackBeauty90]

@Datboi65 ROFL. You DON'T need to be a medical professional to describe the symptoms of a heart attack or stroke. EVERYONE knows this otherwise people would NOT go into the hospital saying "I think I'm having a heart attack", otherwise people would NOT chew aspirin when they are having symptoms. And you call yourself a medical student yet you do NOT know something so BASIC.

There is NOTHING asshole about how they treated him. NOTHING whatsoever. Being an asshole would've been NOT to test him. They tested him, nothing showed up. They would've said FOLLOW UP with your family doctor because it is NOT the responsibility of hospitals to hold your hand. EVERYONE in medical knows this

[BlackBeauty90]

@Datboi65 - Never mind if you WERE a medical student - highly doubtful - you would know yourself that he IS NOT describing the symptoms of a heart attack. I'll agree other people may not know what they describe is a heart attack but what ManonFire describes is a PANIC ATTACK to a T.

[Datboi65]

A crushing chest pain that radiates to the left arm. Happy now?

Now here's what you did. You came in with an agenda to attack him and me because you probably have had some issues with him in the past. Judging by your reaction, you don't seem to know much about how the system wrrks.

The ER doesn't worry about who gets kicked out if they are abusing the system, that's the security job. If you're not interfering with the ER department, they don't need to be rude to you. Don't follow a doctor around the hallway, don't ask too many questions and don't act rude to an ER doctor and you should have no problems.

Also ma'am, you're not the gatekeeper to who's a med student and who is not. That's why your claim that I'm not a student is to be taken with a nothing more than a grain of salt. I gave you some leeway earlier, but your reply was nothing more than an a stereotypical angry cartoonish response. If you have nothing constructive to say, then that's it on my part.

[BlackBeauty90]

@Datboi65 - ROFL. Nowhere does ManonFire describe "a crushing chest pain that radiates to the left arm" THAT is the definition of a heart attack you had to google.

By the way it's quite obvious you're not a medical student - and if you are, STUDY harder because your aptitude is very poor for the industry - when you don't realize that what he's describing is a mere panic attack or what people would call sleep paralysis. Furthermore you don't seem to know what is the responsibilities of hospital staff are. The hospital staff did as they are expected, they are not there to hold your hand.

[Datboi65]

Whatever

[ManOnFire]

@BlackBeauty90 Alright, Ms. CNA. Your first mistake is that you are pretending you were there with me that night and know my situation.
2. I am always doing my own medical reading and research, when I deal with anything. Going to a doctor or a hospital is ALWAYS my last resort, and one I will usually hesitate to do the most unless I absolutely can't stand it.
3. I have experienced what I described in this question before, and the first time in the ER the doctor told me it COULD'VE been the start of a stroke but passed. He also said that even though I'm young and healthy there are still people my age who can get strokes or heart attacks out of nowhere. He also said if it happens again, don't hesitate to get medical attention. Which is what I did, even though I wanted to avoid it.

"Sleep paralysis is exactly what you described." - You are again pretending that you were there that night and know my situation. I know what sleep paralysis is, and that wasn't it. At all.

[BlackBeauty90]

@ManOnFire COULD'VE been the start of a stroke but passed. Does not happen. Having a stroke or heart attack is like being pregnant you either have it or you don't there's special blood that identify the markers for either due to the protein damage that they cause.

Either way DO what they told you to and follow up with your family doctor. The hospital did their responsibility, be responsible and do your job

[ManOnFire]

@BlackBeauty90 Lmfao. You're still pretending you KNOW and you don't. He told me if it happens again, then go to the HOSPITAL. Not the family doctor.

You're trying to look for reasons to be cruel, rude, and dismissive to feed your own ego because you are desperate to be right.

[BlackBeauty90]

@ManOnFire ROFL. They say that for EVERYTHING from sniffles to headaches to legit medical issues. They HAVE to to avoid liability. It is ILLEGAL to deny someone hospital care.

They also would've said follow up with your family doctor as they say with EVERYTHING. I happen to have FIFTEEN family members who are emergency room doctors in the USA

[BlackBeauty90]

@ManOnFire Do you NOT comprehend what follow up means by the way. It allows your family doctor to keep doing tests, etc to AVOID serious problems that may arise. If you just want to the hospital you're just going to get nowhere until it IS a serious medical problem

[ManOnFire]

@BlackBeauty90 And he probably also said it because if it really were to result in something major, at least in an ER there's a chance you MIGHT be saved. Feeling like that and going to the family doctor, you could die right there in the waiting room.

Good for you. Since you have their experience and you feel that people like me and others are complaining about nothing, I hope there's some kind of difference you can make.

[BlackBeauty90]

@ManOnFire - When's the last time you actually did as you're told relating to your medical and went to your family doctor.

[BlackBeauty90]

@ManOnFire - I have read all your comments & what it comes down to is this following:

1) You had these symptoms years ago and went to the hospital
2) You DID NOT follow up with your family doctor years ago as the hospital doctor would've told you
3) You went to the hospital now when you felt these symptoms again

Again you never went to your family doctor as you would've been directed to years ago. You never upheld your end of the medical care. You never got further medical testing, etc. to see what is wrong.

And you blame women who have no information to use for not being concerned enough. NEWS FLASH if the nurses & doctor had all been MALE they would've had the SAME REACTION as the women.

[Haha456]

@Datboi65

its quite terrifying how people are being treated by soon to be doctors who aren't even sure on the symptoms of a myocardial infarction or stroke. Even LPN nursing students are aware of the signs of a MI or stroke.

there's always someone graduating at the bottom of these classes.

[Datboi65]

@Haha456 Let me guess. You're here to troll just like the other chick who was here, with that same "you don't know what an MI is" nonsense.

You wanna go there? Let's go there. Name 3 biochemical markers of a heart attack that appear within the FIRST hour of a myocardial event. Specific ones and nonspecific ones, and label them (which is nonspecific and which is specific).

[Haha456]

@Datboi65

if you don't even know one of the simplest signs and symptoms of a MI or stroke, it makes me think : what else does this guy not know?

Even LPN nursing students are aware of signs and of MI or stroke. Its quite shocking how a medical student who is supposed to be higher trained doesn't even know it and needs to be taught by someone over the internet.

[Haha456]

@Datboi65

you wouldn't have been able to save @ManOnFire if you were on the floor.

he could be describe symptoms of a heart attack and you still wouldn't be able to figure it out.

you want to test for labs? @ManOnFire would likely be dead by the time the labs arrive back.

[Datboi65]

@Haha456 Of course you cannot answer. You're just triggered that he mentioned female healthcare workers, which I didn't even say I agree with him on. You're starting to make yourself look foolish now, just like the other girl.

The cardiac markers for a MI that appear within the first hour are Myoglobin (nonspecific), hs-TnT and IMA (specific).

Also genius, symptoms of a MI (chest pain radiating to left arm) are only suggestive but can only be confirmed through an EKG either with ST segment elevation (STEMI) or ST segment depression (NSTEMI) as well as cardiac ultrasonography and coronary angiography. Try again.

[Datboi65]

@Haha456 Now that I've answered your question, tell me what credentials do you have to be pointing fingers at folks saying that they're not a medical student? Sounds to me like you don't even know how take someone's pulse, yet you're out here talking crazy.

[Haha456]

@Datboi65

your patient is already dead before your test results come back.

no professor or supervisor will congratulate you for knowing markers for MI if your patient is dead due to your lack of knowledge.

[Haha456]

@Datboi65

yea... im pretty sure you did a quick search on google , then copy and pasted it on here.

what a genius.

[Haha456]

@Datboi65

and you know what? if I were your professor, I would have no problem humiliating you in front of the entire class for not knowing basic signs and symptoms of MI or stroke. Because you should not be handling human lives if you are unaware of such basic stuff. Its a difference between immediate life or death out there.

[Datboi65]

@Haha456 If I found it on Google, you're certainly not the brightest since you couldn't even find any of this information on Google.

Go get a job silly, so one has this much time to read all your replies.

[Haha456]

@Datboi65

I'm pretty sure you're graduating at the bottom of your class if you don't even the most basic symptoms of MI / stroke. Dont even talk about making a shit ton of money after you graduate, I'm sure you will get no patients due to your incompetence.

[Haha456]

@Datboi65

I'm pretty sure you're graduating at the bottom of your class if you don't even know** the most basic symptoms of MI / stroke. Dont even talk about making a shit ton of money after you graduate, I'm sure you will get no patients due to your incompetence.

[Datboi65]

@Haha456 Whatever

[Haha456]

@Datboi65

yea... thats your response to killing a patient : "whatever... "

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@ManOnFire - What did you want them to do? I've worked in medicine for a decade, in high levels, and bluntly you don't describe symptoms of a heart attack or a stroke.

Even your family doctor would be telling you you're having anxiety if your stats came back normal and you described "feeling something in my chest and my whole body felt semi-numb, even my blood pressure felt low ".

Nothing you describe indicates reason for concern from an immediate medical view.

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Heart attacks are VERY obvious. There's people who describe having an elephant on their chest due to the agonizing pressure.

Strokes are VERY obvious. World is tilted, you stagger, can't speak properly, whichever affected arm doesn't work properly, etc.

[ManOnFire]

What "work" have you been doing in medicine for a decade?

[BlackBeauty90]

@ManOnFire she's exactly right fool

[ManOnFire]

@BlackBeauty90 I don't do it very often, but you're about to get blocked if you don't chill out.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@ManOnFire medical specialist. I graduated with my BSc at 20, IQ is 141. Trained in diabetes, heart, addiction, and mental health. Been headhunted across the country. Nowadays I work in the hospital and ensure patient care is following company and government regulations.

My cousin is an emergency room doctor. My closest friend is a cardiologist.

[ManOnFire]

@BigWhiteWolf87 Great. So now I can go over your statements.

"What did you want them to do?" - Not a good question. They did exactly what I wanted them to do, but not what I necessarily wanted but because it's what they have to do. That's what everyone would want.

"Even your family doctor would be telling you you're having anxiety if your stats came back normal and you described "feeling something in my chest and my whole body felt semi-numb, even my blood pressure felt low ".

Nothing you describe indicates reason for concern from an immediate medical view."
- So I experienced what I described once before a few years ago. And it wasn't in the middle of the night either. After they found out it was nothing, the doctor then still told me he wanted to keep me overnight just to make sure there were no signs of stroke or heart attack. He also said if I experienced something like that again not to hesitate to come back. So that's what I did.

I don't feel those things often. In fact once in a billion years. But if you're feeling very strange physically, and in the middle of the night, and that's happened to you once before, wouldn't you feel freaked out enough to want to be seen?

I'm not asking anybody to sit with me and hold my hand or pamper me like a Karen wants. I'm simply saying that women treat men like they're being a baby for how they're feeling, yet criticizing us for not going to the doctor or the hospital. But then you go, and you're still being treated like it's nothing to complain about. You can't win either way.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@ManOnFire
After they found out it was nothing, the doctor then still told me he wanted to keep me overnight just to make sure there were no signs of stroke or heart attack. He also said if I experienced something like that again not to hesitate to come back. So that's what I did.

Do you understand nothing about medical?

Back then the doctor would've told you to follow up with your family doctor so that MORE tests can be done, etc. You don't say you did, instead you went to the hospital again.

So you have apparently ignored the previous hospital doctor's advice and gone back to the hospital hoping that they can cure you.

When they don't have an ongoing history of tests, etc to reference and know NO MORE about your potential life threatening issues than when you went years ago.

People like you are WHY the hospital and medical services are overtaxed. Instead of doing what you're told to so PROPER care can be given you just mossy through life expecting doctors to fix you when they have nothing to work with. Or become so ill that the care is excessive when PREVENTATIVE care from FOLLOWING UP with your FAMILY DOCTOR would've avoided such

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@ManOnFire
I'm not asking anybody to sit with me and hold my hand or pamper me like a Karen wants. I'm simply saying that women treat men like they're being a baby for how they're feeling, yet criticizing us for not going to the doctor or the hospital. But then you go, and you're still being treated like it's nothing to complain about. You can't win either way.

No they don't think you're a baby. They're FED UP of dealing with hundreds of people like you that do the same thing. Do NOT follow up with the family doctor, do NOT do as told, etc and then expect miracles

[ManOnFire]

@BigWhiteWolf87 "So you have apparently ignored the previous hospital doctor's advice and gone back to the hospital hoping that they can cure you."
- I DID follow up with the family doctor. I went to the cardiologist he gave me a referral for. That was almost two years ago. Going to be pretty hard to get to a doctor's office in the middle of the night. So what's your other option? Hospital.

You are pretending you know much more about what I've told you when you don't. That's the worst part about anyone having anything to say. As you also completely overlooked the point of my initial question. And you are looking for reasons to be blunt and attack someone because it puts you in your feelings.

'Headhunted' medical specialist is all you are and nothing else.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@ManOnFire LOL. There is no initial question or point to your question aside from your whining about female nurses and doctors not pandering to you as if you're their only patient when they've seen hundreds in a day.

You have never once said you did once what was told of you from your initial hospital visit. In fact you admitted you didn't

[ManOnFire]

@BigWhiteWolf87 It's one thing to have differing opinions, but you are totally stupid aside from your medical knowledge. I WAS NOT ASKING FOR FEMALE NURSES TO PANDER TO ME any differently than they would anyone else. I'm saying as a man why should I be treated like I'm complaining for doing the very thing they'd criticize me for NOT doing.

Nowhere did I not admit that I didn't do what the doctor said and you know it.

[BigWhiteWolf87]

@ManOnFire - I am ONLY going to say this ONCE. SEE if you CAN COMPREHEND.

When you first went to the hospital years ago you WOULD HAVE been TOLD to FOLLOW UP with your FAMILY DOCTOR. Going to the hospital is an EMERGENCY and a LAST RESORT.

You would've been told to FOLLOW UP with your FAMILY DOCTOR YEARS AGO so that OTHER tests, MONITORING, etc. CAN be DONE.

So that EVERYONE involved in your treatment would have a BETTER UNDERSTANDING of what is GOING ON.

You DID NOT go to your family doctor. You even said it yourself. You waited until you had similar symptoms and went to the hospital. COMPLETELY ignoring what you were TOLD YEARS AGO.

So you DID NOT do what you were TOLD to do on your first hospital visit.

Now you come back to the hospital expecting miracle treatment & cures and everything else when the DOCTORS have NOTHING to use. They are NOT complaining about you attending the hospital.

They are complaining about your INABILITY to DO what you were TOLD to do YEARS AGO and FOLLOW UP with your FAMILY DOCTOR - as they would've TOLD YOU TO DO NOW - so that MORE testing, etc. could be DONE and EVERYONE would have a BETTER UNDERSTANDING of your medical issues.

Do you COMPREHEND?

Stop blaming medical providers for your ineptitutde and inferiority complex about women. That's what this boils down to.

You couldn't do what you were told to do and blame women for being annoyed with your inability to do simple things like follow up with your family doctor from years ago.

[Haha456]

I would have to agree with @BigWhiteWolf87. those are the exact symptoms that my professor told us about MI and Stroke.

@BigWhiteWolf87 said nothing wrong.

[KathrynTaylor]

@Haha456 I agree with BigWhiteWolf, yourself and BlackBeauty. You’re totally right. Unlike this joker.

[Jamie05rhs]

@BigWhiteWolf87 Are you dense? He just told you that he DID follow up with his PCP and he DID go to the cardiologist! Pay attention.

[annabananna]

Heart attacks aren’t always obvious. There’s silent heart attacks.

[ManOnFire]

@annabananna Don’t bother with them. Their credibility is doubtful, especially BigWhiteWolf. She literally used a fake account as APrettyLady to answer this question in the exact same way as BigWhiteWolf. Blackbeauty is a menace with no real medical experience, only knowing it through her "relatives that work in the field." And Haha has issues too. Any wonder why all 3 are the only ones to agree on this post?

[Guy13]

They could have ran a battery of tests that would have been a 3500-5000 bill if no medical insurance. Document your diet, your day, and feelings when you are flat. Sometimes it’s inner ear 👂 what you described, anxiety meds is legitimate, “sleeping pills” rather than depression meds is what doctors case file it as. I know a girl who takes one of these internet knock you out in hour pills.
You have to be your own doctor. Put symptoms in something like WebMD then you can talk medical language to them. Demonstrates concern.

[Wade12345]

A NP at a local hospital miss-diagnosed my left hand as an "orthopedic problem" and gave me a brace. I told her she was wrong and that it was either circulatory or neurological. I've since seen a real doctor who did a circulation test and a neurological test on my left arm, and it is both of those problems and not at all an orthopedic problem. The girl at the first hospital just flat out didn't know what she was doing.

[ManOnFire]

Wowwwwww. And this is why people have the concerns they have. You wanna know what else? Years ago the doctors lied to my mother too when she came down with something but she recovered. They claimed she had food poisoning and she knew for a damn fact that it was not.

[Agape93]

Why do male Healthcare workers habitually dismiss our issues as attention seeking or dramaticism?

Some Healthcare workers suck. Simple as that.

[Haha456]

if your vitals came back fine, then it means there is nothing wrong with you. if your vitals are fine, then it means your blood pressure is not low. and it was likely anxiety. if a heart attack / stroke was coming, then your vitals would see a shift.

and plus, being a "female" healthcare worker has nothing to do with being unprofessional. There are equally as many male healthcare workers that are also unprofessional.

[Jamie05rhs]

It's all an outgrowth of the toxic masculinity culture. Women don't actually believe that men can feel pain. Because they don't want to believe that. Because it disrupts their fairy tale.

(And unfortunately we men contribute to this. Because of peer pressure. If you don't act tough, you will be shamed.)

[Jamie05rhs]

(I'm not blaming you, though, of course. It's not your fault, man.)

[ManOnFire]

Yeah, I know.

[Anonymous]

They tend to treat transwomen worse... when I was raped they didn't take me seriously and did not properly do a SANE exam and didn't look for injury... then months later as the injury got worse, I went to another clinic and they wouldn't take me seriously either... the end result was that a minor injury resulted in me needing an operation because they refused to actually look.

[ManOnFire]

Good God.

[NostalgiaSenpi]

I've been to triage several times growing up, worst being eleven and fourteen, both with no one else in the room. First one, my left ring finger ripped open on a fence, waited just about three hours for them to treat it. Latter was my lip split open when I tried to show off on a bicycle. Took an hour and a half to get to that.

[Sasha0426]

My guy, it’s not just the women there. It’s literally everyone in the medical field that don’t give a shit about their patients.

[whirled_up_girl]

Well I have to disagree with you there. I wouldn’t be doing my job as a nurse if I didn’t care about people or patients. I certainly don’t care about money I could have easily gone into something that paid as much or more. After working as a nursing assistant though I realized I enjoyed caring for people and was good at recognizing when things were going wrong medically even when doctors missed it. So I chose to become an RN.

[Adam1978]

Sounds like the simply don't want to worry you. It's a part of nursing and is done to both genders. Stressing the patient with potential things that can be wrong is bad nursing.

[ManOnFire]

Mmmmm maybe. But I doubt it.

[KathrynTaylor]

They’re probably tired and overworked and underpaid. Until you’ve been one, walked a day in their shoes, you shouldn’t complain about them. I’ve been a nurse’s aide and it’s exhausting.

[ManOnFire]

Sorry you're overworked and underpaid, but it doesn’t have anything to do with me. Nor does it justify you minimizing a patient's concerns. I guess if I had died in the ER or even on the way, it would make you feel better about your job.

[Sixgunsound]

@ManOnFire I have to give her this one. You're being rude in a complaint about staff rudeness. You know I'm not out yo get you but this time it's an L for you.

[KathrynTaylor]

Manonfire, that’s just stupid. Perhaps if you don’t like the care others are receiving, you could be a nurse’s aide or a nurse yourself? Without training. You sound like you think you’re such an expert that you could do anything without training. Then see how well you do at it. by the way a whiny little boy isn’t OUR problem.

[ManOnFire]

@Sixgunsound @KathrynTaylor I think both of you are completely missing the point of this question, which was in the details. Which is that: women criticize men for not going to the doctor, but then I go, and the female staff are treating you like you don't have a reason to be here. But if I didn't go and dropped dead, they would be saying I should've gone to the doctor.

[ManOnFire]

I never treated any of them with any sort of disrespect. It was THEM who did. I just sat there and took it as not to make an issue for medical workers.

[KathrynTaylor]

I’m not missing the point. I’ve had nurses be short with me. I simply think in most cases that you’re being unreasonable.

[Sixgunsound]

@ManOnFireF air enough about when you went, I was talking about right now.

[AlphaGhost]

Firstly, stop your underpaid B. S right now cuz medical profession is one of the best paying professions in the world and concept of pay gap doesn't exist here. You are paid according to your capability and if you are worth the crap, people will pay for it.
Secondly yes NURSES were rude in this scenario cuz their Job is to do, what they are told by the presenting doctor and don't give their personal false diagnosis to patients. It's the presenting Doc Job to diagnose an ailment after checking the symptoms and going through the necessary radiological tests.
but Nurses in this case completely disregarded the facts and go on to tell him its nothing, before you pull any training B. S on me. They are trained to inject medicines and pass-on instruments to us during the operations, in-short their job is to listen to us...

[BlackBeauty90]

@ManOnFire they didn't dismiss you, they tested you nothing showed up and they would've said follow up with your family doctor. What more do you want? There's nothing for them to say or do because you DON'T even describe the symptoms of a stroke or heart attack you described sleep paralysis which IS a panic attack PERFECTLY

[KathrynTaylor]

@AlphaGhost I repeat, tell them you’re such an expert that you demand they give you a job. Try doing it, especially untrained and see how it goes. No need to be abusive, just because you didn’t get the answer you wanted.

[ManOnFire]

@KathrynTaylor Wait a minute. You're telling him no need to be abusive, but when you opened your mouth to answer this question you were being abusive.

[KathrynTaylor]

If you don’t want honesty, don’t ask for opinions.

[BlackBeauty90]

@KathrynTaylor - he's always been a bit of a troll & that's obvious here. He's whining about female medical staff who didn't bend over backwards for him.

Whereas in my conversing with him he admitted that he went to the hospital years ago for similar situation & yet never said he followed up with his family doctor - as he would've been told to the first hospital visit - just that he went now when he felt similar symptoms. He's expecting miracles when he couldn't uphold his medical requirements of following up with his family doctor from the first scenario and blaming women for not being concerned enough.

When reality is, is if the nurses & doctor had all been male they'd have the same wth do you want us to do response when you can't even do as your told and see your family doctor for more testing, etc.

[BlackBeauty90]

*another user's conversing with him

[KathrynTaylor]

@BlackBeauty90 ah, now I understand 😊

[ManOnFire]

@BlackBeauty90 Me being a troll? Lmfao. Not even. Here or anywhere else. It's you who are the troll, who also makes nasty comments on others' posts like saying some guy must work at a nursing home and is poor just because he said he visits his parents, as if that would be bad.

You are unhappy with yourself and your life and have an ugly heart, who hides behind unkindness and manipulation. I see right through you.

[BlackBeauty90]

@ManOnFire - It's VERY obvious you're a troll. You bitch & whine that female nurses & doctor don't give you "care" when reality is MALE NURSES AND DOCTORS would've had the SAME REACTION because you couldn't do the simplest things excepted of you from the first time and SEE your family doctor.

[BlackBeauty90]

@AlphaGhost Idiot. Medical IS underpaid and overworked.

[AlphaGhost]

@BlackBeauty90 I will give you a taste of your own medicine...
Who the fuck are you han?
I am MS-Doc who graduated from one of the best medical college in country on full scholarship and I am working in Hospital for about 2 years, you think I give a fuck when "nobody" like you talk about my profession.
Even talking to low un-educated trash like you is beneath me and I deal with female nurses on daily basis, so I will firmly agree with his statement.
as for your underpaid trash comment goes, I am getting paid a lot more than doc 4 years senior than me cuz of my capability to perform complex surgical operations and it got nothing to do with your gender cuz my G. F is also getting the same treatment. They pay her at-least double the amount as compared to our male colleagues cuz of her capability, not cuz She has different set of gonads idiot.
Let me rephrase it for you, Nurses have zero Medical Knowledge and capability to diagnose any patient condition and I have to deal with cases like his on daily basis. We have Junior interns in our ward... MD/MBBS requires them to spent their last year in hospital to learn from senior Doctors. So, we assign them different patients after making the diagnosis, nurses in our hospital like to argue with freaking Jun-Doc on prescription of drugs and Why are you not giving him what I prescribed to similar patient... let me tell you it happens literally on daily basis.

[AlphaGhost]

@BlackBeauty90 They see similar general symptoms and then argue with juniors, when they prescribe something different as compared to what senior doc did for similar signs... I don't know how to explain medical field to you, but every patient is different, and we have consider a-lot of things before making the final call... like RFT, LFT
Secondly, they also tend to give their own opinion to patients, like yesterday one idiot in our emergency ward told a patient, its nothing and he should go home. 12 hour later, he was admitted to ICU cuz his condition worsened and his family complained to senior management... someone told them its nothing and now we have to deal with their mess.

[annabananna]

I thought they were like that to everyone. Most doctors and nurses don’t sha sha you. It took me 8 hours to get chicken broth when I was pregnant in the hospital. I’m not saying it’s right but just kinda how it is with everyone.

[ManOnFire]

You're probably right.

[Anonymous]

I don't know about all that, but I work in healthcare and the women are horny as fuck.
Something about being stressed out, overworked, and seeing a man take care of people really turns their wheels. They all need a way to wind down

[Opinion Owner]

And if any women reading this are offended, I don't want to hear it. I'm simply making an observation, and you're the ones who throw on your scrubs and want to fuck everything that moves

[ManOnFire]

I actually will agree with that. It often does seem like nurses are really horny but try to hide it, and ones I've talked to online tend to be into some really kinky stuff.

[Opinion Owner]

They are man! Absolutely.

[Anonymous]

They don't in my experience

Spent 3 days in hospital almost 3 years back now, maybe I was too busy reading, working and watching TV between everything elsetyey had to do so I wasn't an issue to them

[ManOnFire]

So I am not saying that ALL female healthcare workers are dicks like that. But it has happened to me, and I've also had some really great ones. Ironically the last time I was in a situation like what I detailed, the doctor was male and he was super sensitive about my situation and even wanted me to stay overnight to make sure I was good and that nothing else would happen.

[AviatorTom]

Because we guys are babies, and we enjoy being treated that way by a woman. Don't stop!

[ManOnFire]

Now is not the time, Tom😂

[SpokenTruth]

I have lost respect for them. https://www.bitchute.com/video/Se4Xj0MISHrq/