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An addiction to it is just as bad as a smoking addiction in my opinion. It literally destroys your frontal cortex.
I do none of that. None of it.
Not Even in celebrations or Holidays. I don’t care who says what. At 13 years old I used to drink with the older kids. That shit feels like a sleep aid. Feels like a sleep medicine. It immediately numbs your legs. Specially your thighs.
It feels like I did 50 squats. 😬 I don’t get how people like that! Nothing about it feels good. I did like the fizz, but you can always get fizz water so yeah.
Never again. I haven’t done anything since the age of 16. And it’s staying like that!
How the hell am I supposed to enjoy a celebration if I’m gonna feel drowsy and sleepy and tired? That never made sense to me. Ever.
All I’m gonna do is take a nap. I’m not even gonna dance or anything anymore.
DA FUCKKK? 🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
Many people use it to socialize or just cope in daily life.. So because it is legal and a staple for so many people it is hard to get rid of it or to deter people away from it..
I don't really get it tho because if someone smoked one joint everyday, people would say they are a drug addict but people who drink a glass of whine everyday are not considered alcoholics LOL
I wouldn't say anyone that has one joint a day is a drug addict but I don't know what qualifies that technically. As for alcohol:
"Drinking alcohol in moderation generally is not a cause for concern. According to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, drinking is considered to be in the moderate or low-risk range for women at no more than three drinks in any one day and no more than seven drinks per week. For men, it is no more than four drinks a day and no more than 14 drinks per week."
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Alcohol can be a serious issue for people. In moderation it's not unhealthy. I had very healthy family members live in their 90s and a few over a hundred and they all drank wine under the limits that I quoted above. They weren't alcoholics.
Also why is it normalized? It's simple. People have been driving alcohol for a very long time and it does give you a good feeling when you do. Tie that into that it's a huge global multi billion dollar industry that markets it to everyone... That makes it pretty normal.
Is alcohol good overall. There's a lot of conflicting stories. When people hear oh one or two a day might have health benefits... that also leads to normalizing it.
That said in small moderation it's not detrimental for most. Hence my 90+ year old relatives who safely drank maybe a drink a day. Many people are like them.
In large quantities it's terrible and deadly.
@Friendlybro79 Most people that don't do drugs would say they are a drug addict..
I don't like alcohol personally because my parents drank far too much and so did my grandparents..
But if you NEED to have some alcohol everyday I would say you are an alcoholic.. Even if it is in moderation, it is still a drug substance..
@Friendlybro79 My dad is an alcohol addict and he protects it just like you do.
I definitely understand you not liking alcohol for all those reasons. Need and like to are an interesting conversation. If you like to have one drink a day that's not alcoholism. I do feel there's a fine line between the two but if you can keep it to one a day it's just not affecting you negatively at all. If you're an alcoholic you can't have just one.
@Friendlybro79 in my opinion you're an alcoholic when you can't go a day without it.
@Friendlybro79 But the question then is why do you like to have that one a day? What does it do for you? It obviously does something or you wouldn't want it..
Why do you like to have a piece of cake a day? It's because you like it. Some people like how it pairs well with food. If you don't understand that yourself it's ok but it's not alcoholism if it's one a day and because you enjoy it. Addict is a strong word.
@Friendlybro79 I've heard about buffalo wings with beer
Yeah there's a whole world of wine and food pairings that are fun to eat and drink together. If you can control your consumption it is fun and. It destructive. That said not everyone should drink. I get that and it all comes with risks of addiction. If it runs in the family it might be good to stay clear.
It's fun and not destructive*
@Friendlybro79 I suppose I will never understand it because I think all alcohol tastes disgusting lol
@davado88 a bottle of wine a day is an addiction. You don't have to consider it but medical experts would and tell you that's way too much. Some folks are functional alcoholics... so yes functional but still an alcoholic
@Friendlybro79 its NOT A FN ADDICTION. Every european got pissed daily for 2000 years. We are immune to alcohol addiction unless you work extremely hard with hard spirits
@davado88 yeah and they lived for 32 years lol. Not going to argue with you. Have at it boss
@Friendlybro79 sure- doesn't hurt to know a little history lest you carry on like a pork chop.
Aborigines who haven't got those 2000 years of drunkeness in their dna often are alcoholics though.
And became so very easily
@davado88 says the guy that Europeans are immune to alcohol addiction followed by unless... which implies that they are not immune.
You're drunk now aren't you? Lol.. Have another one pal. Lol
@Friendlybro79 you are confusing your own stupidity with my drunkeness.
i reread what i wote and it make perfect sense.
it is still possible for europeans to be actual alcoholics but it requires hard spirits and a lot of them over a long period.
99% of americans who think they are alcoholics are not.
Theyre looking for excuses for doing the dumb shit they did whilst drunk.
Which would make sense if you had the character of a 5 year old schoolgirl.
But for adults is extremely puerile
@Friendlybro79 my dad is indeed a high functioning alcoholic
@davado88 Is it possible you're not a medical expert. If you drink 4 or 5 drinks a day you're an alcoholic. You can function fine but it's the definition of a functioning alcoholic. Also the recommended amount my any medical expert is 14 a week for a man no more than 3 in one day. You're talking 28-35 a week. That's a drinking problem based on medical advice. Your social norm isn't healthy then. Trust me coming from a country that is unhealthy diet wise I've done my homework. If you were to stop driving cold after that much driving constantly you'd go into withdrawal very likely. That doesn't happen if you're not dependent or... an alcoholic
@Friendlybro79 Red wine is good for your heart as well, but people on this thread are acting like the only choices are teetotaler or a fifth of vodka with every meal are the only two choices. Moderation, yes, just like carbs, protein, and fats, three essential components of life. Even water will kill you if consumed in extremes.
@BoopBoopBeep yes lol
I work at a bar. Half of my coworkers are alcoholics. I see all levels of alcoholism. I drink but I rarely get drunk. There's one girl who was in a bad car wreck resulting in brain damage who has no business drinking. I tried to get one of the guys who quit drinking and is close to her to try to convince her to give up drinking, but she's too stupid. Alcohol is one of the worst things for perks recovering from a traumatic brain injury. I've seen alcohol ruin a lot of people's lives because they can't handle their liquor. People getting drunk definitely has caused more fights, car crashes, murders, suicides, and accidental deaths than any other drug.
Because people are conditioned from seeing everyone drink it openly. If we saw everyone doing heroin openly... I'm telling you the whole world would be doing it because that's how the mind works... It sounds crazy but that's how it works. If you tell someone alcohol is really bad. They will argue with you and think u are nuts. Because they are conditioned to believe it isn't that bad. It has nothing to do with logic... Why would anyone smart accept the idea that alcohol isn't that bad... Think about it. Many people claim they love logic and are realist yet they will drink and take that risk.
True my dad agrees everything there is in the news paper except if it's about alcohol being bad lmfao
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Because drinking alcohol is actually good for you if you drink in moderation , it’s only bad if you abuse alcohol by drinking consistently until you are completely bombed out and you allow it to control you. What most people don’t realize is most alcoholic beverages are actually better for you then most of the soft drinks on the market , like sodas and energy drinks , and fruit juices etc because most of those drinks are packed with artificial flavors and sugars or substitute sugars, caffeine etc. compared to beer and hard liquor that is actually made with natural ingredients made from the Earth , I am mainly a craft beer drinker , I usually l drink craft beer when it comes to drinking with friends etc. I will take a beer over a soda as much as possible because beer is actually better for you than soda is. There is a lot of health benefits for drinking beer and other alcohols that most people aren’t aware of.
there's estrogen in beer, I don't think it's good for men. Anyway, I'm biased because my dad is an alcoholic and I suffer because of that.
Wrong. Research has shown there is no safe dosage for alcohol. It’s harmful from the first sip.
I’m sorry to hear your father is an alcoholic , I had an alcoholic father as well that took a toll on me and my brothers as well , So trust me I know what you mean by suffering. I still like to drink beer on occasion with friends , I pretty much know my limits for the most part and I don’t drink every day , Research also shows that beer is good for you as well,, but all in all it really doesn’t matter , because what on this earth is really good for us? We are all going to die if something , so just live your life the happiest you can be , I am happy when I drink beer so I am going to keep drinking it lol
Do what makes you happy.
Exactly , I had friends that were health nuts , that watched what they ate , said No to a lot of things , exercised daily , and they still dropped dead at a young age , so I no longer listen to health advice , people dropped dead from eating lettuce , so just live your life the best you can , I don’t give 2 shits what other people think or say when it comes to what I enjoy
I disagree with watching what you eat and exercising daily in general. Diet just has to be balanced. And you have to rest. But then again I'm a hard gainer so maybe I just don't get how people that gain weight fast feel.
I was never much of a diet freak myself, I mainly just eat whatever looks good to me , I just choose not to over indulge and stuff myself , but on occasion I will, not going to lie , if I feel I packed on to many pounds then I will cut my portions and exercise more , I know most people that exercise want to lose weight and feel better about themselves , and that’s all fine and dandy , but most people that do that are scared to eat , and limit themselves thinking oh no if I eat that I am going to gain 10 pounds , and sadly that isn t the case at all , just don’t over eat , that’s what has helped me shed some of those unwanted pounds
I over eat and do fitness. I was always skinny tho I remember me wanting to gain weight really badly
The grass is always greener on the other side
americans love being addicted to anything. Its not so in saner countries.
i used to work on rooves in the heat..
And drank a lot of beer after work every bloody day.
when i quit at 35 i didn't need to drink anymore coz i was no longer in the hot sun all day.
So i didn't. I didn't have withdrawal symptoms or join a. a. or talk about my feelers to a group pf strangers sitting in a circle.
Difference is im a man. And americans are puerile.
Once you take responibility for your actions in every sense you won't need to blame your bad acts on addiction
I feel like Belgians have a lot of alcohol addicts too since this is the beer country
maybe, I've never been to Europe but I've seen photos- belgian chicks are beautiful
Hahaha yeah some are really beautiful
but not you?
I'm not really Belgian, I'm half Eastern European, English, Finnish, Balkan, Scandinavian but I do live here. Still have no dna from here tho
you should say you're beautiful even if youve got a head like a beaten favourite because this is the internet. ill never know. And self confidence is mandatory for life
Legal way to blow off steam if drugs & alcohol is your thing. But health studies are coming out saying that the “glass of wine a night” people thought was healthy isn’t, and that in fact no amount of alcohol is actually healthy. Might see a shift in how alcohol is treated but govt makes too much off of it to ban it.
Yeah my grandpa still works (illegally since he's actually retired) for the richest family in my country and they got rich off of making beer 💀
Alcohol is the only legalized drug in this country. Most people don’t call it a drug. But if you compare it to what we consider drugs, it’s far worse. It makes you impaired to making good decisions the more you consume, it causes bodily, harm physically, mentally, emotionally. It literally corrodes your liver. The list of comparabilities is endless. But yet, we still are ok with it killing millions every year, and people getting hurt in multiple of ways by it.
Exactly!! They also ruin relationships!
That's not true plenty of drugs are legalised...
Caffeine, nicotine and obviously marijuana (depending on where you live) are legal drugs.
@Smashingdoozy, you are right. Although, I’m not sure caffeine is a drug.. but it could be.. seems like it would be. But for me alcohol should be up there with heroin and coke.. it’s that bad of a drug and super destructive to any and everyone
Yeah caffeine is also a drug. But alcohol is one of the worst ones out there. Kills the most people since it's so normalized.
Lol I don't drinkm I have tried the taste of alcohol a few times, yet I don't drink. That said, I do choose to eat junk food and choose to drink sugary (not alcoholic) drinks like soda's, pop. So, I'm always mindful of my teeth, diabetics, weight and liver and other organs.
That said, I don't drink alcohol. I just eat and drink somewhat like a slob, somewhat 😋 though nothing beats a healthier home cooked meal or meal from scratch at home 🏡🏡🏠 love 💕 food 🍽️👀🥳😋😋
And the passage of time. If only time didn't eat away at my health and happiness and my skin lol (aging) sigh 😔😭
I agree 100% I hate how normalized it is. I've seen what alcohol does to people first hand and that experience in my life made me dislike it greatly. It's made me decide I never want to drink in my life. It's just a waste of time in my opinion, and can lead to so many bad things. I get deeply uncomfortable at seeing the people I care about drinking, but after awhile I kind of learnt to deal with it because at the same time, my uncomfortableness isn't everyone else's...
I'm with you 😩🙌
because it makes money.
they didn't legalize marijuana precisely because supposedly it's "good for you"
just like any drug, if it makes money to the big ones, they will legalize it as long as they can profit from it. they don't care if it makes you addicted, retarded or poor and demented as long as they have their big share of what is made from you consuming it.
u Tradition mostly, I would say. Never get between a German and his liquid bread! 🙄
I just don't get why the bottles don't have warnings like cigarettes
Alcoholism (or alcohol-related offenses) has been seen for centuries as some sort of peccadillo. The boys-will-be-boys argument, etc. Until the 1970s police would often just take your car keys and call you a taxi.
The mindset has changed of course, but it took a long time.
Exactly, we Europeans love our alcohol ❤️
Remember prohibition? How they tried to treat it like a drug and failed? Yeah, that’s why it’s “normalized”.
The reality is too many people, specifically white people, enjoy it casually to let it go and the government at the time didn’t want to needlessly arrest more white people than black people or anyone who couldn’t be considered legally white at the time. They’re not going to try again after the massive failure that was the entirety of prohibition.
Arguably an alcohol addiction is actually worse than a smoking addiction
Why we normalise it... Because it's fun and a social activity often. It's been around for pretty much ever. When it was banned it made drinking problems worse and crime worse.
Humans have been consuming alcohol since there have been humans. The main reason that humans decided to settle down and cultivate crops was to grow grain for beer. For most of human history, alcoholic drinks were safer than water. Beer, in particular, when made naturally has tons of vitamins.
We are social animals, and alcohol encourages social behavior.
Uhm this is protecting alcohol. Drugs has been consumed by humans since the start too. Most drugs are literally derived from plants and some are even plants. Makes no sense to me.
I’m accurately portraying history. Reality doesn’t care if you approve of it or not.
But that wasn't answering my question was it?
I answered 100%. It's normalized because it correlates with the creation of human societies, and has - at times - been life-saving.
Not a lot of people know the history of beer. Why are we allowed to drink at 16? Even now with studies showing it's bad. I want to know why it's normalised in this day and age
You are literally asking the same question over and over and I'm giving you the answer over and over. Alcohol and human culture are completely intertwined. Your ancestors would never have stopped to farm were it not for grain for beer. You'd still be a nomad roaming the country for food. We aren't different things from those ancient people. They are us. Their culture is passed down to us.
But they also did drugs. Drugs isn't that normalised I'd say.
Drugs *aren't* normalized, at least in the US, because the alcohol producers and paper producers lobbied against them.
I see in your other comments that you're really just harping on alcohol because your dad is an alcoholic. I'm really sorry that you're dealing with this, but to argue and attack people for stating facts about alcohol because of your personal experience isn't really worthwhile.
But it's bad in general tho I ain't making that shit up
It's bad if you want to cherry-pick and amplify the negatives and ignore the positives. You could do that with virtually anything. Very few things are 100% bad or 100% good. Hell, you can die from drinking too much water.
That's true but alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs at this moment 'cause lots of people die because of it.
It's one of the most dangerous drugs, because it's the most accessible. If all drugs were legal and you could buy heroin from the grocery store you'd see similar rates of abuse and harm.
That's why I don't understand why it's more normalised than smoking. In my country there are warnings on the cigarette packs, they don't do that to alcohol bottles/cans
I explained why it's more normalized several times. You just don't want to understand it.
I've read it, I just don't get why people are that easy minded
Ok, but that's irrelevant to the why.
I've smoked since i was 16. hasn't killed me which would be an absolute miracle if you believed antismoking propaganda.
i should be dead of cancer and in an iron lung with emphesema and crippled.
Its all lies though, im fine and chainsmoke 21 hours day coz i love it.
id drink alcohol too if i wanted to and have the same health i now enjoy
@davado88 my grandpa chainsmoked for 50 years and is still alive at 81 but with hella black lungs and astma lol.
@davado88 The braincells grow back if you let it rest enough but true alcoholics drink everyday so the brain doesn't get a break. Frontal cortex is the front part of your brain.
people feel better when their frontal cortex is destroyed... because that's where the problems are.
because it makes people rich.
I don't drink, it's stupid and a bad idea like you said.
It is something that people like to do. There is a big downside to drinking, the hangovers, the lost productivity. DUIs, fights and unwanted pregnancies and STDs. Still people like to do it because it is fun. I gave it up almost 30 years ago and sometimes in the summer I still miss it.
Because through social media society has been well programmed and trained like good pets to like what there master wants us to like and hate what there master wants us to hate no matter how stupid it may seem. Train like sheep and making sense is not included
Until fairly recently beer drinking was the safest way in the West to get your water intake. The beer of course was much weaker but it allowed drinking alcohol to become more established in society than in other cultures.
Good question. It’s just tradition I guess. To your update, a depressant doesn’t mean it makes you depressed. That means it slows down the central nervous system.
My dad got depression since his alcohol addiction tho
Well yes, alcoholism can definitely cause depression. Using anything in excess can, because it depletes your brain of natural feel good chemicals.
Yeah his frontal cortex is shit. He can't even think logically anymore..
we have been drinking alcohol for longer than we’ve been humans, and once we realized that the barley and wheat that we were growing can make beer, it became set in our social psyche. It also allowed for the boiling of water that killed off pathogens that were harmful to us, unfortunately, like other things that make us feel good they can be damaging if done in excess.
It was to take off stress after men worked their socks off. You can still see the tradition, every Friday - Saturday pubs get filled compared to weekdays.
There are always those who will take it to the extreme. Alcohol isn't a bad, over drinking is. However, the best policy is to completely abstain from drinking and smoking
America tried banning it and failed misserably. I think they just don't know how to get rid of it. Too much money going around, too many addicts.
you mean they decided revoked that bad law
It's a good law in my opinion but indeed like in Belgium without alcohol the richest families won't make any money anymore.
Banning stuff makes more homeless people and stuff tho since they spend more money on their addiction since there will be dealers selling it for a lot of money then it's actually worth. Some homeless people also usually ask for cigarettes, drugs or alcohol on the street instead of food
The same way we add sugar to everything and most the population is addicted it
the fact no warning on vodka 40% bottle shows nothing bad in terms of diet and health. in terms of religion jesus changed water to... wine approved drinking wine.
😃 that there is no warning doesn't mean it's bad lmfao. Cigarettes may have warnings on them in some countries but not in all, does that make it bad in some but not all? Also yeah in the past they drank a lot of alcohol but also did a lot of drugs and they thought smoking was good in the past.
a lot of things are normalized that arn't good, its just easier for peaple to cope with there bad decisions that way. If enough peaple make bad decisions its "ok" because everyone else is doing it.
It isn't called a depressant because it makes you depressed. It is called a depressant because it lowers neurotransmission levels, or depress or reduce arousal or stimulation in various areas of the brain.
Could that make your brain stop?
Because historically it was safer than the water, now it's purely for pleasure
Why is obesity being normalised. Far worse than drinking and smoking
If someone is obese, it doesn't hurt me. Drinking alcohol can make you aggressive. Smoking can make the people around you inhale the smoke. All 3 are bad for the health of a person but two go further than only that.
Yeah it does but is is a culture, especially in European countries. We in the UK drink all the time no matter the occasion, it is a way of life here :)
I'm from Belgium where they literally brew beer for a living. I hate alcohol with passion.
Fair enough
Well people have been doing for it for hundreds of years and has a lot of medicinal purposes. If you take alcohol for pain for instance, you are far less likely to get and addiction then for painkillers.
The same reason why anything else dangerous is... John 10:10 'The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.'
Sugar causes far more medical issues per year and we let that go pretty much unregulated
Alcohol too, search it up.
Absolutely. Everybody doesn't drink. Children for one. 90% of people are getting more sugar than is healthy which is why we're becoming such a fat country.
I don't live in the US
Belgium is nearly just as fat. Half the population is overweight and 1 in 5 is obese, 25% of kids overweight or obese. (All 2018 statistics)
I don't know I only have one really overweight friend.
I can't smoke weed but it has definitely helped me in the past to remain stoic per say. Natural hallucinogenics have also done wonders for my psychological well being.
And it's still not normalised but alcohol is
It's this movies, influencers and media shit obviously alcohol is bad , smoking is bad and drugs is bad it shouldn't be normalised
you mean "a sin in suma's religion" but nothing bad about it. the fact cigarette has warning on box but not wine shows nothing bad. apparently islam is wrong?
U wanna argue about religion?
Coping and fun.
I don’t have to worry about it. I don’t even like sipping the wine in church, I just eat the crackers. However, other people who do can be obnoxious.
Because people can'r deal with reality. So they stay drunk and smoke weed
Most people who drink don't do it every day, let alone multiple times a day, like people smoke.
Ehh I have had a lot of bad experiences then.
Others
I haven’t drank in years. It’s a disgusting drink.
Because we've been doing it for thousands of years. Most people don't drink to excess.
It's normalized among the uneducated, working class, etc.
Go above gutter trash & it's not so common.
I buy a bottle and drink to sleep in my room, no one is bothered
Well if you're not bothering people that's fine but usually drunk men do roam around.
Because civilization was built on beer. It's ingrained in us at this point. We drank beer because it was safer than drinking water for ancient man. Even little kids drank beer.
Because its more difficult to lie while under the influence of alcohol so it was a important social lubricant in honour cultures.
Drink away the sorrow of what living in this planet has become 🍻
Their moms probably had a few too many drinks while pregnant with them... accidentally
I don’t know it causes problems I don’t drink
If u dont drink alcohol then how can u have fun?
I can be fun without it. I don't need it
i read it helps with their anxiety
Yeah but so does smoking, weed and other drugs
As someone with awful anxiety, yeah, it does help a bit. But I can't drink all the time 😭😂
No idea. I think it's gross.
I have absolutely no idea lol
Drinking too much too often is bad for you
Drinking in general is bad. But it's even worse doing it everyday
@davado88 my dad is an alcoholic and it makes me sad since he was a really good father but it's destroying his brain.
My mom died from alcohol poisoning.
I'm so sorry 😞
I DON'T KNOW... TASTES HORRIBLE
Exactly!
dont you drink?
Nope and I never will. In my country it's allowed when you become 16 to drink beer and wine
are you muslim?
No, I just don't drink LMFAO
how old are you?
19 but I'm allowed to drink in my country.
can you look private message
Cause making it taboo.
It is legal.
Smoking is also legal
They see it as sex
Yeah I've noticed lol
Especially Marijuana
That's less normalised in my country. That's actually illegal, you're only allowed to use it when it's prescribed by a doctor. But alcohol? You can drink it when you turn 16.
It's now legal in Canada. Few people smoke weed in the city.
Yeah I've been to Amsterdam (it's legal in the Netherlands) you smelled it everywhere.
Marijuana is like gold when it comes to sex over there.
Why?
They say it enhancers their sex drive or sex hormone called oxytocin.
I don't need drugs for that 😂
Many do
Well I think you can use other things for sex drive other than that.
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