Are Lolo Jones & Jessica Ennis too masculine?

[peace-love-couture]

Aside from their faces not being too attractive, BODY wise:

Lolo Jones:

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Jessica Ennis:

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*They're both Olympic athletes JUST IN CASE you didn't know. Lolo(USA) and Jessica(Britain). Hurdler

And Lolo is like a 30 year old virgin, so that's a hint at being unattractive

[kheserthorpe]

I was expecting a lot more masculine examples. There are (slower and less talented) women at my gym like this.

They're both really hot body wise. would definitely encourage me to be in the gym every day to close re gap with how good shape they're in haha. But they both look good.

is it my 'ideal' female body? No. Bit both are definitely in the top 10-15% of women I see body wise.

I'll note as I have in the past that I do know some guys who consider this type of female body perfect. And those guys have something in common - they're all ripped. A lot of guys are intimidated by women like this. But guys who HAVE 6 packs and huge muscles - and would be waaaay more muscular then these girls and not intimidated at all - a fair number like it. So while being this fit may turn off fat couch potatoes it's maybe an advantage for going after guys who would be considered the 'best' bodies.

[peace-love-couture]

I never said there aren't any guys who do not find her attractive. But just like fat girls, they aren't really desirable and not many chicks would want to look like that to begin with

[kheserthorpe]

Nah, they're not in the 'just like fat girls' category. Most guys sitting on the internet would say 'oh that's not perfect', in real life, most guys would consider these girls to have above average bodies, just not ideal. By contrast, most guys won't go for fat girls, period.

There's also the fact that the only guys I know who actually claim to like fat girls are both fat and suck with women and then proclaim they like what they can get. Those who prefer toned are ripped man-whores.

[peace-love-couture]

You'll never catch these chicks on the cover of Maxim for a reason

They're in the category of fat chicks. Someone or some people end up with fat chicks. Same with these girls. That doesn't mean most guys are drooling over them

[kheserthorpe]

The best 'comparison' I can give you is they are the female equivalent of guys like link Most girls will say he is too thin. Because he makes them feel fat (just like lolo makes most out of shape guys feel ... more out of shape). He'd strike out with fat girls all day. But I bet he lands tons of hot, thin women.

[peace-love-couture]

The link doesn't work but I'm assuming he's a celebrity; most of them can land anyone regardless

But that doesn't mean they'd be considered attractive in every day life

And I don't know how guys on here go from saying Jillian Michaels is too masculine and muscular to all of a sudden loving muscles just because she's Team USA, which is why most on here are focusing more on Lolo

[kheserthorpe]

No, not a celebrity. Some skinny ass model, abs but no pecs. I just googled 'skinny male model' and picked one to illustrate the point.

Most girls would say he's 'too thin'. But some girls prefer that look, and those girls are all girls who are themselves thin.

[kheserthorpe]

I'll also quote something my boss, who was (and still sort of is) a serious competitive swimmer said to me "Female swimmers get big shoulders, but I grew up around swimmers so that looks good to me".

Guys who spend all day in the gym start finding more toned women good, and start viewing traditional model women as being 'skinny fat'. You know they are skinny fat, but it starts being obvious to those guys.

[peace-love-couture]

Ok, so the few guys who exercise or train find them attractive. I never said there weren't any who find her attractive

But most don't exercise and most aren't exactly in top shape...so they don't find Lolo or Jessica attractive and there's nothing wrong with that just like there's nothing wrong with finding them attractive

[kheserthorpe]

I still think most guys find them 'somewhat' attractive, just not ideal. They'd take that over average u.s. women's body any day. But yes, most guys prefer less muscle.

And I seriously think the fact that 'only people with awesome bodies like mine' is kind of relevant if you're worrying about other gender.

If there was some workout I could do that would make hot women want me but turn off fat girls (i.e. most girls) you can bet I'd be f***ing hammering that workout.

[peace-love-couture]

it doesn't count as attractive when you're comparing 2 extremes...that's like the fat girls mentality: "skinny anorexic girl or chubby but beautiful girl?" of course people are going to say chubby but put the chubby chick next to a VS model and they're nothing

[kheserthorpe]

Fair enough. But you're implicitly doing that in this question. You're saying 'is this the perfect female form to you' and guys say no.

What you should do is put a line of increasingly fat girls down and ask them to place the atheletes between them. I'm guessing they come in around where 130 lb woman of average height would :D

[peace-love-couture]

i'm not really trying to compare them or get guys to put them down really...

And I never asked if it was the perfect female form because it isn't just like I didn't do so in my Keira/Eva post

I just happened to mention Lolo isn't really considered attractive to most and her warriors decided to trot along and take it personally

The same way guys on here trot along to defend certain attention seeking users who put themselves down

people need to chill out. she's not gonna fck them

[kheserthorpe]

I think that's how people interpret this sort of question online 'Is this perfect, would you change anything'.

not 'would you hit on her in a bar'?

[peace-love-couture]

Not really; I find it hard to imagine that they did so with just this question

Just a few looneys who took it wayyyy too personal

[kheserthorpe]

I think that's how ALL 'how do I look/how does this celebrity look' questions get interpreted. Which is why people talk about being 'internet hot' which is a really high bar relative to real life.

Thus the 'elbows too pointy' meme.

[peace-love-couture]

And when something is hot on the internet, it's generally not hot in real life...

[jay6994]

I can't help but think ennis is just a bit unphoto genic; and perhaps she's actually good looking. either way I dug up some other references; and it's safe to say that she's kinda hot. and lolo is really hot imo.

not too masculine for me. lol weird thing to say.

[Alexias]

Don't hate them because you ain't them. They couldn't exactly be Olympians if they weren't so muscled even the ping pong players have muscle! Being a virgin has nothing to do with her physique, maybe she has morals or whatever I don't care. Find a new hobby because this isn't working out for you. That is all.

[peace-love-couture]

you're right; because I'm not attracted to their bodies, I'm jealous. I must also be jealous of George Clooney, because I don't find him attractive

Great logic

[ambertaylor]

I think Jessica has a lovely body, it's very feminine shaped but very muscluar at the same time. She's not over toned and still looks really hot. Lolo too, although they have six packs and what not, their arms and legs don't look super buff, they still look small and petit.

[Morningglory3]

Their bodies are too muscular for most men. I think we can all agree on that. And of course it's worth it for them.

[peace-love-couture]

I do agree. It is worth it

[Morningglory3]

Thanks for B.A!

[cazza3]

Firstly Jessica Ennis is more than a hurdler, she won the heptathlon and both she and lolo are beautiful women. link

[peace-love-couture]

Not to be rude, but no one really cares to be technical about Jessica...

[cazza3]

Its not technical, its fact. Why even mention the sport if you can't get it right

[peace-love-couture]

you took it too seriously

no even cares that I wasn't specific. she's a hurdler, let's move on

[cazza3]

Do you even know the difference between the two?

[Anonymous]

Neither of those women are unattractive at all. There is nothing wrong with their faces, and their bodies look very healthy. They are by far more attractive than the average woman.

[peace-love-couture]

Well considering the average woman looks like this: link

yeah, they're more attractive

but their bodies are pretty masculine looking.

[Opinion Owner]

I would say they look strong and healthy, but I wouldn't call them masculine at all. The link you posted could be the body of several out of shape guys that I know. Women are far more critical of the female body than any guy that I have ever met.

[TheUglyOne]

Fit bodies are going to look a little masculine, doesn't mean the woman or her body unattractive. Considering both are Olympic-class athletes, even if they both weren't viewed very attractive by society, I'd still date either one just for there solid genes.

[peace-love-couture]

Let's just say you'll never catch them on the cover of Maxim or FHM...

[peace-love-couture]

women aren't supposed to look masculine lmao

[TheUglyOne]

So? You'll never appear on the cover of Maxim and FHM but doesn't mean you can't be attractive.

[Opinion Owner]

Having sticks for arms and legs is not sexy. Women need muscle to look sexy. Today women are trying to starve themselves, and the means they can not build much muscle. What a woman thinks makes them sexy, and what a guy thinks makes them look sexy are two very different things. Women are far too critical on their own bodies. Men want women that look healthy. What is healthy will vary from woman to woman.

[peace-love-couture]

I'm just saying they don't appeal to the majority and they aren't typically seen as attractive. More power to them for being masculine and embracing it

But I mean, Lolo is a virgin at 29/30 and it ain't cause she hasn't found the right dude...

[TheUglyOne]

Mr. Anon says it better. Skeletal woman are a turnoff. I would practically prefer the fat women in your link than a woman who has stick limbs and visible ribs.

Again world class athletes achieving what most will never accomplish, that's still solid genetics.

If I were single and Lolo for some bizarre reason was interested in me, I'd date her in a flash and not give a crap what others thought.

[peace-love-couture]

No one ever mentioned anything about skeletal women. Thin =/= skeletal

And y'all are all taking this a little too personal

[Opinion Owner]

She is an Olympic athlete. Remaining a virgin for a longer time is pretty normal for those women. Their lives are all about training. They are goal oriented women. As far as "they don't appeal to the majority" the guys on here seem to like them, so I don't know where you got that idea from.

[peace-love-couture]

you're right; 5 guys on here represents the world

That's why she's on the cover of Maxim and FHM; because she appeals the majority

Anyways, y'all are taking this too seriously. She's not gonna sleep with y'all so get over it

[Opinion Owner]

So the only way someone can be attractive is to be on the cover of maxim? You are being far too harsh on the female body. There are a lot of attractive women that look different. Don''t claim that your ideals of female beauty represent what the majority of men think. Her body may or may not be the ideal for most guys, but a woman does not have to be a mans ideal to be attractive to him. That is a really unhealthy way to look at it. That is why so many beautiful women think they are ugly.

[peace-love-couture]

I never said the only way a person can be attractive is to be on Maxim. But she doesn't appeal to the majority and you just admitted that

Sure, there are exceptions, but as a whole, she's considered unattractive as is Jessica.

Anyways, again, who cares. you gave your answer, let's just move on

[TheUglyOne]

LMAO it's you who seems to have something personal. Seriously, you asked a question that was little more than bashing them.

I know many people, men and women who find both those women pretty.

You care, apparently.

[peace-love-couture]

Y'all are the ones who continue to come back. I'm entitled to my opinion, thanks

move on. she's not gonna sleep with you because you defend her

[Opinion Owner]

I did not just admit anything. I said she "might or might not be the ideal." You can still appeal to the majority even if you are not the ideal to the majority. It is like you ask one question, but when people answer you act as if you were asking a different questions. You did not ask if they were ideal or not, but rather if they are attractive. They are attractive. You want to move on, then stop telling everyone they are wrong.

[peace-love-couture]

I'm not telling anyone they're wrong. I never once correct y'all and said "y'all are lying; y'all think she's ugly"

But she's no VS model or Megan Fox or Olivia Wilde is all

It's ridiculous how personal y'all are taking it lmao

[Opinion Owner]

You don't have to be a VS model or Megan Fox, or Olivia Wilde, to be attractive. There is no way you meet those standards, and it must hurt you a lot, to think that you need to. You need to understand for your own sake, that you can be considered as a very attractive woman, and still not be super model material. Whoever put that idea in your head was wrong to do so. This outlook seems like it would be very destructive to your self esteem.

[peace-love-couture]

I never said a woman has to be any of them to be attractive. But they are universally attractive, Lolo and Jessica are not

First off, they're African American women. African American women are not considered universally attractive. That's the first strike and goes against your assertion that all guys find them attractive

Secondly, bodies like theirs are uncommon, so of course it won't be considered the most attractive.

you're twisting my words

[peace-love-couture]

*They're black, not both African-American. But they're both black is the point

[Opinion Owner]

No you are twisting my words. I never said, "all guys find them attractive."

[peace-love-couture]

Then I'm not sure why you're so defensive about me saying she isn't universally attractive

I never denied that there are people who find her attractive; but the majority doesn't and there's nothing wrong with that. Most people aren't attractive to the majority, with few exceptions

[Opinion Owner]

You never said anything about being universally attractive until a moment ago. According to our culture they are very attractive compared to link Naturally we would judge them on our culture not universal cultures. I don't know enough about such things to say one way or another. Neither do you.

[peace-love-couture]

Link doesn't work

and yes, you're getting offended because I said she isn't attractive to the majority. And the golden ratio is typically the measure for universal attractiveness, which neither meets criteria for

anyhoo, this is getting old

[Opinion Owner]

Well it was your link I tried to post. Don't know why it didn't work. I am not offended. I actually feel bad for you. You must really feel like crap about yourself for never being able to meet up with your own unrealistic standards. You don't have to be a supermodel to know that you are an attractive woman. Women should not put that much pressure on themselves. It is a very sad way to live. I was hoping to be able to get through to you for your sake, but I don't think that is going to happen.

[peace-love-couture]

There ya go twisting my words

NO WHERE DID I SAY ANYONE HAS TO LOOK LIKE A SUPERMODEL

You took one thing I said about VS models and you've just continued this pointless convo over it, my goodness

[Opinion Owner]

Go back and read what you wrote. You make it sound like they have to be, in order to be attractive. That is why so many people were disagreeing with you. If it is not what you meant, be more careful how you word it next time.

[peace-love-couture]

You're the ONLY one who kept bringing up supermodels, so no. They just don't like the fact that I said she's unattractive

[MyNameIsJonas]

Not my type attraction wise. Too much muscle and the figure of their bodys are just not my preference.

[peace-love-couture]

you're gonna get thumbed down for this. apparently people on here are her defenders...

[MyNameIsJonas]

Thats alright just my preference.

[TheUglyOne]

Nope. you have your preferences. More power to you.

[Shyguy_1988]

I don't think there face's are unattractive, however there bodies are a little too masculine. Lolo isn't unttactive to me, she has a pretty face but that's my opinion well they both are cute face wise, they just over trained there bodies and became too lean and built up too much muscle in the wrong areas for a female. Of course like anything on attraction, this is my opinion so will agree to disagree.

[madmisskelly]

Both women have insane bodies. They put a lot of work into their bodies and their sport and that is beyond admirable. Both gorgeous women.

[TheUglyOne]

I personally think Lolo is attractive. Her body is more athletic than curvy, but still not bad. I don't need big boobs to be satisfied.

Jessica is okay but I still like her body anyway.

[Anonymous]

"And Lolo is like a 30 year old virgin, so that's a hint at being unattractive"

It's definitely not her looks.

[peace-love-couture]

kinda is. If it were Adriana Lima you could say that, because she was a virgin until marriage(she's Catholic)

not that I care & I don't see why you'd care to defend her virginity

[TheUglyOne]

we're not defending her virginity so to speak, though I prefer women with few partners, we're defending your attacks against her attractiveness. Of course you're free to voice your views, we're merely offering why we disagree.

[peace-love-couture]

yeah, I can tell I've got the wishy washy crowd answering so far.

No need to get your nalgas in a bunch. Y'all aren't going to sleep with her or get money

And the same way people attack overweight and thin looking folks, I think I'm entitled to "attack" her looks

[heavensgift2girls]

No one is entitled to attack someone for their looks.

[peace-love-couture]

Yet people feel entitled when they're making fun of thin or overweight girls right? Cause when the skeleton jokes or fast food jokes are being rolled out they're entitled

Anyways, seriously, who cares. Simple question. move on

[heavensgift2girls]

I care.

[peace-love-couture]

well you shouldn't. celebs are out and criticism comes with the territory

[TheUglyOne]

haha boohoo you attack two world class athletes who will do more in their lives than you or I ever will, and get all hissy when men just don't gush with agreement with you.

[peace-love-couture]

you're a little too obsessive with this and you're basically throwing a fit because I don't agree with you

move on and get over yourself please

[heavensgift2girls]

There are normal people that look like that, and when you bash that celeb, you are hurting those normal people as well. Are you really so jaded that you think the only reason a man would defend a woman, is if he thinks she will sleep with him? Really just think about what you have been saying. I know women that have put themselves in the hospital, because they were trying to be what they thought others found attractive. When you attack a celeb, you attack those normal people.

[peace-love-couture]

Not at all. I'm not attacking them, I'm just not stating the opinion y'all approve of

And it's great that you assume anorexia or bulimia has to do with others, but it doesn't. THANKS for the assumption though

[TheUglyOne]

@heavensgift - I know, right? She really thinks we only defend women we would want to sleep with us.

I'll take her advice, I'm outta here.

[peace-love-couture]

y'all are just taking this wayyyy too seriously. Had I called someone on here ugly, I could understand why people would be offended and take it personally. But because I'm allowed to express my opinion on her body as y'all did, I've done no wrong. There's plenty of other masculine looking chicks too like Serena Williams

[Opinion Owner]

I should have known this would happen.

[Opinion Owner]

Anyway, I'm not defending her virginity. I'm pointing out ridiculous assertions. You're saying she's a virgin because she is sexually undesirable.

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[Opinion Owner]

If you don't get laid looking like that (and having access to the Olympic village and whatnot), it's probably because you've chosen not to get laid.

[peace-love-couture]

not a good body

Face doesn't make up for an unattractive body. bye

[Anonymous]

The first girl is average but the six-pack so turned me off and made her below average.

The second girl is just fugly!

[peace-love-couture]

I think fugly is a strong word...but ok

[ColtsFanForever]

I think Lolo is very attractive. In fact there are a lot of Olympic athletes that are attractive.

[Anonymous]

im not attracted to black women so yah but I think there are good looking girls like alex morgan

[peace-love-couture]

she's pretty

[kheserthorpe]

She's really hot, though someone should have broken that bitch's leg.

I mean ... err ...

[peace-love-couture]

Nah, she helped clinch the US a win

[kheserthorpe]

Yeah, she was the third most important U.S. player.

After Rapinoe and the referee.

-_-

[peace-love-couture]

I sense resentment

[kheserthorpe]

Ugh.

to be fair I thought the u.s. overall played better, but aside from those calls, they didn't put away their chances in reg time and canada did, so it kind of sucks. 6-second violation is almost unheard of being called, and the handball right after was questionable as hell. I kind of wished the u.s had buried a couple of their other chances and that hadn't driven the outcome.

Morgan really did look great, she fed wambach for a couple she should have had.

[nodnol32]

They both are highly attractive women. Look at them outside their game, they carry themselves well.

[baliguy11]

both totally smokin' hot for a number of reasons'

[wisdomlover]

Yes, too masculine for my preference.

[Anonymous]

To masculine for my preference.

[Alpha93]

I think jessica is kinda cute

[JennieF]

Nah.