Based on previous questions asked to my elders it’s been something designed and the only beneficiaries are women.


During marriage the benefits are about equal, depending on the relationship. However, when time for the divorce comes, the woman benefits waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more. She could even cheat on the husband and still take half his shit and get child support because custody defaults to the mother in most cases. Not legally but few judges rule against a mother. If the guy cheats, he will have hell to pay. The only way men win in divorce cases is with an OVERWHELMING mount of proof, and even then only if they get a truly fair and unbiased judge, which is rare. Also, after divorce, it is very easy for a woman to hold visitation over the father's head, whether or not he is fully compliant. Even in cases where the mother pays child support, it won't be enough to destroy her life like it is for men. I am not a woman hater. These are just what I have noticed in my pursuit to become a cop and eventually lawyer.
Well your both supposed to benefit.
I don’t think anyone really benefits from marriage, but I do think that women benefit from divorce. But that could be avoided with a prenup.
Yes, i agree with olderandwiser that both can benefit from a long term, healthy marriage where both love and respect each other.
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I think that both parties equally benefit from a good, successful marriage.
We can determine this quite easily. What is the reputation of each gender's greatest desperation?
For women, it's marriage.
For men, it's sex.
If we view it that simply, men benefit the most from sex; women benefit the most from marriage.
That said, nothing is ever simple. And if Jordan Peterson is correct, then in polyamorous societies, the top 20% of males get 80% of the women [This is the proven state on dating apps], leading to widespread violence from the bottom 80% of sexually frustrated males.
This leads to the top tier males feeling disenchanted, with all the women throwing pussy at him non-stop and vying for his commitment, he gets like "Wow. That's all it takes, huh."
And naturally the women in those circumstances are also disenchanted, because they're fighting against 80% of women for the dedication of those high value males (hereby HVMs), and the HVMs won't commit, because why should they? So the women are left ultimately alone until they ultimately settle and feel like they got the bad end of the stick [that's totally a saying, shut up].
So, depending on whether or not that is true, everyone benefits most from a monogamy-encouraged society. Women get security and a long-term mate who is completely [hopefully] focused on her; men get a fair shot at finding a mate and reproducing; and, society at large benefits, because we're not all killing each other. Sounds like a good day to me.
Women. Men do not get women's resources in marriage (80% of domestic spending (70% globally) is done by women despite them being only responsible for about a third of domestic earnings), they do not get security from women, they do not get a home from a woman in marriage, in fact if the statistics are to be believed they don't even get sex (over 33% of all marriages are sexless) from a marriage. Then when you look at divorces, women benefit even more. So I think we can objectively state (to the chagrin of women everywhere I'm sure) that women are the beneficiaries of marriage not men.
Women spend more even outside of marriage. That is not an issue.
What security? What house? Men don't pay every single expense the couple has. If they do that they have a good digger not a wife. And if they have a good digger they are just idiots.
How do you know that those 33% are all because women don't want?
You know that not all divorces end up with the women benefit right?
@ThisIsMyOpinion The issue wasn't their spending, it was the fact that they produce a third and spend 80% meaning they spend all they make and half of his. I thought that was pretty obvious based upon what I wrote. They are taking half of his earnings and spending it while also spending their own meaning that he is losing out economically.
Security, as in the house that has locked doors and the man who is expected to fight on her behalf (you can make believe what ever you wish, this is still the reality. If she hears something at night, he is going to investigate it. If you don't believe me you can look up all the occurences of men having to defend their home from people breaking in or all the men who have had to protect a woman (some times women they don't even know) some times with their life). Your perfectly aware of this so I'm not sure why you would pretend reality acts differently then it does, we all see the same thing so lying about it isn't really going to alter the argument in any meaningful way.
As my statistical data shows, yes, men generally pay every expense, men are still the primary bread winners in a relationship, they are the ones who pay the over whelming majority of the bills, again this is a fact pretending otherwise seems like a stupid thing to do when all data, statistical and anecdotal, shows the exact opposite of what your trying to argue.
As for the 33% I never suggested it was entirely women, but we do know that its MOSTLY women due to males having a higher sex drive and testosterone being the primary sex hormone. We also know that with the exception of a few years in their 40s males generally want sex more then women (as this is when their hormones level start dropping). So its not entirely women not having sex but it is the majority (again, statistical data and anecdotal data shows this).
@ThisIsMyOpinion As for divorces, 80% of all alimony and child support is paid by men to women. When it comes to child custody statistically women get equal or better custody 96% of the time, men about 44% of the time. Equal custody is about 35% or so. Meaning that women get better then equal custody 61% of the time vs. a mans 9% of the time. When it comes to actually paying child support 80% of men actually do pay, of the 20% of women who are expected to pay ( a fraction of what men are expected to pay) only about 30% actually do. So yes their are some rare exceptions and no one is suggesting that is not the case, but at this point your arguing rare ancedotes over statistical facts. Yes, the overwhelming majority of the time women gain in marriage and men lose (due to the current standards in society that expect men to be traditional while giving women every loop hole imaginable to avoid their end of the agreement) and yes the overwhelming majority of women benefit from divorce while men suffer.
I don't really see what your argument is intended to do other then highlight the fact that a tiny fraction of women don't benefit, which is not the point being made. Your arguing against reality and your simply going to lose that argument. So what was the point? Do you think you'll get brownie points for it? Society will pat you on the back for standing up for women (despite the fact that I wasn't ridiculing them to begin with)? What value did it have for you to try and deny reality?
Spend 80%? Taken in consideration that the biggest expenses are common expenses like electric bill and the house payment I find it hard that 80% of the money is spend by the women and only in things for her. You have to tell me the source of this, I bet the are including common expenses in those 80% as things just for her.
Marriage can give men more economic stability as well. As long as she also helps with expenses, which she should otherwise she is a gold digger not a wife, men also now have more monetary power.
Hell yes I am going to be to one that will check out! I am the man! But the probability that that is ever going to happen in miniscule. So not a good point to not get married. I mean "I might one day in my life, if I am lucky, have to protect her from physical harm". That is your problem? Really?
Yes we are the main breadwinners. People from the 60's are still alive and go into those statistics. Again is that a problem? We make more money, yes we do. So we pay more for the couple expenses, yes we do makes sense. There is a difference between paying more and paying all of it. If a guys feels that he is being sucked dry of his money he just needs to take a stand. If he doesn't then his problem.
Fine let's say that of those 33%, 23% of women make a sexless marriage and then 10% of men. So I have around 77% chances that my wife will keep wanting sex. I am fine with that.
Ah the usualy fear of divorce. I checked your profile, of course you are from the usa. You guys must have a very bias divorce court because here things don't work out that way. Yes women stil statistically get custody more times and what not, but the amounts paid are fair and the husband can try to deny to pay it, like my father did. He ended up paying like once or twice.
I can assure you that most of those men didn't wanted their kids, cheated of their wifes, had some drug or gambling problem, beated on their wife and kids etc. The guys that do none of that are the ones that stay
if for some reason they divorce are the guys that are going to get a better deal in the divorce.
I don't see anything that a women has more to gain as long as they guy isn't stupid and a decent human being.
My argument is to state that that fraction of men that benefit from marriage as much as women is not that tiny as you say. I am just giving my view on this I don't expect anything. Why people keep assuming that?
Both. Both benefits as both don't benefit. It's not a gender thing, it's a calling thing. There are those who were happier before having sex and getting married. But the moment they do, everything breaks apart in their lives. Which means those who are called are oftentimes paired with those who aren't and it causes an unbalance.
Both do benefit from it. A happy marriage is a wonderful thing for both sexes. Apart from this, there are tax benefits, way way less struggle with burocracy when having children together about the parency rights and also less struggle with pretty much any kind of paperwork.
There are no tax benefits. In fact its worse for many people. Surprise! I don't know how this rumor keeps up. Smh.
@bamesjond0069 maybe thats the case in your country, but here in Germany thats definetely not a rumor xD
Oh ok. I'm talking about America.
It depends on the situation. Sometimes men get sex, companionship, support, and someone to look after the house and cook for them. Sometimes women gain financial support. Sometimes both people are better off because it's a good relationship. Sometimes, they're worse off.
Men don't get sex and companionship while women don't, women get sex and companionship just as much. The only thing you mentioned that men get exclusively is someone to cook clean and take care of the house. Really the other thing is kids. in my opinion if a woman isn't going to give me a ton of kids she isn't worth marrying because that is the only real benefit i see as a man. Cooking and cleaning is a bonus but i could just as easily hire people to do that.
Both where I’m from, divorce with kids can get messy but nothing a la USA. Female poverty is a thing over here, women that were financially dependent on their spouse raising the kids have no where to go after divorce and don’t have a job or individual savings.
That's why a divorce should never pccur if the woman is a housewife unless there was cheating or continuous beating which can't be solved...
In these cases, the man should still provide the basics of life for his wife till a professional group find her a job and ofc she should have a shelter at least one room where the man rent it until she starts working...
A housewife shouldn't humiliated and dumped on the streets but if the woman made the fault of cheating than she should suffer the consequences...
If there is no punishement for BOTH genders than humanity will never evolve...
I don't think either benefits more or less in general. Individually some women do and some men do. I personally don't think many benefits. Vowing forever is the only benefit which doesn't need a piece of paper by the state. I'm happily unmarried to the love of my life and we don't worry about becoming one in every way. We have our own accounts and money. We share the bills. We don't receive each others debt. The only way we become one is with our hearts and souls.
I challenge your premise. They benefit 8n different ways, similar to how you and the store owner both benefit when you make a purchase.
Women benefit by having a father for their children and a provider who covers or helps with expenses and child rearing. Men benefit by having a mother for their children who is generally more fond of caring for their interpersonal and service based needs.
Asking who benefits more is like asking "which is bigger: green or happy?"
There are no good units of comparison. They bother benefit sumptuously.
If the marriage is successful, both work out wonderfully. On the other hand, studies have shown that women initiate a divorce the most often and the law no longer requires a reason so she can just divorce him out of boredom if she wanted to. The man is very likely to lose the house, dog and kids because of a biased family court and he will live in an apartment being shoved child support/alimony down his throat. He realizes that he would be too broke to attract another woman and would probably die alone. It is also very likely to end the same way if the wife turned out to be abusive.
No surprise that men voted women, and women voted men. I dont think any of us men/women go into a marriage thinking we are gonna get divorced, so you gotta take the divorce stuff off the table as far as benefiting from alimony etc. By the time it comes to that BOTH men and women are vindictive enough to try to take the other for all they got. IF we are talking about benefits from marriage WITHIN the marriage I think male and female alike benefit, YOU FOUND LOVE guys. there's so many single folks out there who could only WISH to find that.
As about 50% of marriages do end in divorce, taking divorce off the table would be foolish.
And I was no the down vote. I NEVER downvote anyone.
There is not one benefit for men.
The only way to tip divorce in mens favor is to 1. Have a prenup. 2. Have a lot of kids. In many states the difference in child support between 2 kids and 10 kids is not even double what the 2 kids is. Ie if you pay $1000 for 2 kids you would pay $1400 for 10 kids. So the real way to keep the incentive for divorce low is have a lot of kids and if you going to pay child support you might as well get a good bang for the buck and get all that mama child care for a good price.
VOTE C : Equally.
Your image is correct.
In a good marriage the balance will be equal and both will receive the benefits that a loving honest and faithful partner provides!
That does not mean it always ends up that way and is why the divorce courts are full, which is sad :(
As was married and now divorce. Women. They spend all their money on clothing and makeup. Men pay for everything else and at this end they suck you up half of all you paid for. If women answer that men get the benefit of a marriage you are blind or delusional. Men don't even have sex as a benefit because women also control your sex life.
Well I heard that women do once the marriage dissolves but while inside the marriage? Maybe both? I don't know as I do not currently have personal experience in this topic!
By the way, I wouldn't marry if it only benefited me. I like to make it as fair a deal as possible for the person I love/care about! Why should I try to HURT them in any way? That makes no sense!
It's good that you are wise enough
Neither men or women. Children benefit the most when their parents remain committed to each other and committed together to provide for offspring. Too many good peoples lives have been ruined by the selfish choices made by their parents
Very weird how most women vote, that men benefit from marriage more, yet it's the women, who are placing the highest importance on marriage while men stay away from marriage and would do better without it.
Yes... the answer is yes.
The ways in which both parties are benefitted, theoretically, are very different, but I think when all is said and done they come out even.
I say the man benefits cause we men can and are ass idiots many times so to be blessed to have a woman that still chooses to stay with us is why I say men but a great man and one I looked up to through the years said it best there is no 50 / 50 love sum days she gives 60/and I give 40 sum days she give 30 and I give 70 so it can be said depending on the day either
Fair point.
Marriage, Both
Divorce, women
But in conclusion, if divorce benefits women then divorce don't happen if there's no marriage and it's easy to manipulate men through divorce so women still have the advantage.
I'd say the woman, but then again it all depends on situation
Women benefit more in marriage, men benefit more in dating. Women are legally protected in marriage. They don't have to work, they have traditionalist behind them saying they can stay at home and be homemakers.. if a man leaves, she gets half, even if she doesn't work for it.. and man has to pay child support even tho he has the stable job and the house is in his name.. it's just a bad situation for a guy as far as the system is set up
Because they will get the kids the house half his money!
The man will let that be for a peaceful life!
If both didn't feel they benefitted why would they keep marrying each other, by the way your picture shows an equal scale, that's exactly it, they benefit equally
Both benefits from marriage because they both complete each other, no one benefits more and that's why after a holy marriage the couple become one and start a family...
Back when marriage became a regular practice the families of the couple benefited more than the couple, because the families would enter an alliance and be able to share resources with less risk of being stabbed in the back since their families were now connected. Eventually even the peasantry adopted the practice and would give the father of the bride goods or animals for the daughters hand in marriage which would eventually provide greater stability for both peasant families
A while ago both did, but now feminists say expecting the woman to do housework and childcare is misogynist, therefore women benefit more now.
The State and all of its legal machinery. A great transference of wealth has become a huge business in the 10s of billions a year.
Where is the “none” button? Marriage is a lose/lose situation.
Well, neither is supposed to benefit more than the other. However, women typically benefit more divorce.
If the benefits aren’t equal, you shouldn’t be getting married...
Marriage was invented to protect women from being left with children and no way to provide for them. Men were given submissive mating opportunities for life in exchange. Women could hardly make it on their own and men wanted some guaranteed sex for life. It's not like that anymore is it? So men don't benefit from guaranteed submitted mating for life anymore. So it benefits the woman more then men in my opinion.
Equal benefits?
What do women benefit from that men don't?
Money
@SpunkNugget How do get money from marriage that men don't?
It’s both. That’s kind of how it works lol if you wanna marry someone, you guys respect each other, feel equal to one another, both love each other. So I don't know I’d say both
The women. They get the spotlight from the engagement all the way to divorce. (If they get divorced)
I think women however marriage is a very confusing and difficult subject
It's hilarious that so many women are delusional enough to have voted "Men" in this. Men get literally nothing out of marriage these days.
We get the same as women. Nothing more nothing less.
@ThisIsMyOpinion You have serious neckbeard atheist energy
I am actually going to get married in less than 3 months buddy. Also see my profile pic I do not have a neck beard.
Good way to argument against me... or not.
I don't see any benefit in marriage. However, it's clear that women have more benefits in divorce since the court is much more likely do favor them, especially when it comes to custody.
Well statistics say that men who marry are happier whereas women are less happy, though that may be because the women who don't want to marry are happier anyways.
Women, because there's actually nothing in marriage anymore for men.
What is there for women in marriage that there isn't for men and vice versa?
It's a loose loose situation. In all my years and people I met I never met any one who said " I am glad I got married am so happy" I heard lots of "don't get married it's a waste of money"
Depends on the culture. But ideally it should benefit both husband and wife.
What's with men every time I mention that it depends on culture lol looks like some men can't accept the bitter truth that we still have issues of child marriage, violence, honor killings, acid attacks, FGM... globally.
Without a marriage in place, a man is like an unleashed beast to prey on women 😂
Men get the bills and the ills, women get everything else. At least it seems that way in too many cases in the West in 2019.
I think both parties benefit equally. Both a stable person in there life that loves them unconditionally
Thank you!
Men don't benefit from marriage, she'll take your kids and money while you work your ass off.
Stay safe bro's
I find the fact that all men think women and all women think men really funny
Women, they get safety and security.
Men get the exact opposite.
What safety and security?
If they are being abused people will listen to women more than men.
Even if there is no abuse, women are heavily favoured in divorce.
Women can divorce out of their own want and still get alimony and get to keep the children most of the time.
Having such a beneficial back out option to marriage is very unfair to men.
I agree that men are less heard in violence cases. But even with women the vast majority of cases are not taken seriously. Justice fails victims a lot.
Divorce courts must suck in the usa. In Europe divorce cases are far from that linear.
My father denied to pay alimony to me and my sister after he cheated on my mother. Nothing was done to him.
That is terrible, if there is heavy proof of cheating then the cheater should pay.
Most guys and girls would agree with that too.
The big issue I have is that if you initiate divorce without your partner in one of these situations (cheating/abuse ect) it heavily favours women usually.
I feel if someone divorces without any previously mentioned reason (abuse/cheating) they should pay alimony regardless of gender.
P. s. in not from the USA but I do agree divorce is much worse in the USA.
I can't deny that when both are capable parents women have the upper hand. But from what I know, unless you live in usa, the alimony that you pay to your kids is fair.
Definitely women, they get financial support, half of everything after a divorce no matter how little they put in, and a new last name
Here we go again...
Any man that pays for everything in a relationship is not a husband is a sugar daddy. They both get financial stability with marriage.
Not all divorces end with the women getting everything.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Not all but most , next time I need be with a woman that makes more than me
You need a good one. That is all. If you do both get the same out of marriage.
@ThisIsMyOpinion Yeah that’s true, I hope I get a good one next time
Both benefit from each other. Plus it might depend on the views of the culture depending on where they are from.
But both are supposed to benefit if it's a healthy relationship.
I think most girls hate, not being treated as a equal
Marriage - can be equal depending on the couple.
Divorce - women, no contest.
A woman becouse then the woman can just take all the money and get a divorce
Women seek financial security and interestingly I was chatting to a friend today who is single. She said all I need is to find a wealthy man. I said why not provide for yourself financially. She said... why should I when I don't have to...
Bwahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa women think men benefit... HHHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Well ideally both of us, but anecdotally speaking, it's women.
Women. Especially when they file for divorce. Marriage is a legal contract that enslaved men
You know that not all women get the best deal after divorce right?
Also if it doesn't happen it's as much a enslaved contract to women as men.
I think that is a USA problem. In Europe we have decent divorce courts.
Again that doesn't go that way here. Women don't gain nothing major out of getting pregnant and leaving. Alimony is just a small amount that secures half the child's expenses and that is it. And if the father refuses to pay he doesn't go to jail. Just my father didn't.
Women. But the divorce lawyers make out okay as well.
The government, diamond companies and flower companies. Because they're the first people who get to ass-fuck the bride & groom right in the wallet.
In the past it was both, pretty equally. But the benefits of marriage to men have dropped dramatically over the last few decades. Today marriage benefits women much more than men, which is why men are saying no to marriage at record rates.
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