Should a woman propose to a man?

[Mahito]

[Anonymous]

If a woman wants to propose to a man than I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I do however think It's good to know beforehand to really understand your boyfriend on a deep level. Would he say yes, would he be open to the idea 💡, will he take you seriously or will he think your playing a prank.

This actually happened to me with my current Fiancèe. When I entered the living room she had the song "Will you Marry me" playing. I'm not sure who sang it, or if that was even the title, but I kind of associate it with a song John Legend would sing. She had spelled it out with M&Ms on the coffee table ☕️ . We'd talked about getting married after being together for close to a year.

I feel like an ass when I say that I thought I was being pranked and it was all a big joke. We'd made jokes about the idea 💡 of this, but it was never something I thought we would do. I loved the movie Leap Year with Amy Adams and found it really cool that this is something woman would do on one specific day in Ireland 🇮🇪. I love Ireland 🇮🇪 and would love to travel there someday.

When I didn't take her seriously she got pretty upset and began to cry which was my que that I should of been more sensitive. I considered playing along initially when I had walked in the room, but what would I be agreeing too. I had envisioned myself asking her and I hadn't even bought an engagement ring yet. This didn't coincide with how I pictured things happening; I mean we weren't Ireland.

Proposing is something many men envision themselves doing (at least most men) 🙄. When things such this happens they may become the brunt of their guy friends jokes and family members. I know everybody says don't worry about what others think as long as it makes you happy, buy how happy would a guy be if he became the laughing stock of the majority of people. Is that something you should just not care about? All of this raises so many questions and are having to deal with all that for the rest of your relationship something you want to do 🙄 ? The decision lies with the couple, no one else.

[Opinion Owner]

On a side note I did not say yes and we got engaged after another couple years. We've now been together 8 years and have a 4 year old son.

[TheorionMage]

Only if they mean it.

Had one try to 'play' her fiance' (me) whom at the time was a Vermont-licensed Private Eye! Caught her car parked outside her FORMER boyfriend's house at 4am in the boonies TWICE after she'd proposed and we'd even spoken with her family's Clergy.

Had to publicly embarrass her in her town's newspaper with an UN-engagement announcement of how UN-trustworthy she'd been.

No Bullshit Creds

She owned her own beauty shop and the negative publicity hurt her more than any physical pain I could inflicted (except perhaps a serious bare-sassed spanking) When they're kids you spank their ass, as an adult you spank 'em in the $$$$ wallet!

[Graceful05]

Does one propose marriage, or does one discuss marriage? The latter is more of an open exchange, when the potential advantages and disadvantages can be sorted out. Marriage is complicated; only about 50% of first marriages survive and the odds are even worse for second or third marriages. A healthy conversation can also sort out love from lust. Should a woman propose to a man, or should a man propose to a woman? Perhaps neither, since a discussion should always precede a proposal and the proposal becomes a mere formality. If a formal proposal is there only to uphold tradition, then it should be the latter.

[Tdieseler]

@graceful05 would you like to know what only 50% (or less) survive? i'd be happy to tell you.

@Gorge95 You have very interesting angles... i wanted to come at you but i read the rest. You aren't part of the movement of women who stupidly want equality... hence the reason why you are appalled by the idea. I on the other hand am a big fan... lets all be equal. lets not play our roles... lets play each others... and let the CHAOS... begin 😈...

[Gorge95]

The thought of me down on bended knee is making me bilious🤢. I’m sorry, get mad at this opinion all you want but this isn’t meant for a woman to do. Like seriously, I cannot bring myself to believe that’s okay. It’s extremely masculine to me. Let the men keep their position. 😬

[TruthBringer]

It makes you bilious, and yet you expect a man to do it? I agree that a masculine thing needs to remain for men. But then the question is, will you be playing your part of the gender roles and do all the feminine things?

[Gorge95]

Once I get married I’m done with my academic career and focusing on my husband and kids. I do not subscribe to role reversal. I’m not from the west. So yes. I’m comfortable in my femininity and will not take away a role that a man has performed for years. Men and women are complimentary, not equal or the same. We never will be. So yeah, it repulses me because it’s embarrassing

[Gorge95]

The traditional itself is not gross. A woman doing it…Is.

[Gorge95]

People have become far too comfortable with role reversal then wonder why things are in disarray.

[WellDone]

Wearing high heels was masculine, you know

[WellDone]

Man proposing its traditional, two people getting married is

[Gorge95]

So you’re comfortable wearing heels? Okay cool for YOU. The traditional men I grew up around did not so it’s not the norm for me. So therefore I do not associate it with masculinity. Do you, but don’t think that’s the norm for everyone.

[yildo34]

😅😅

[TruthBringer]

@Gorge95 Glad we're on the same page.

[DianaWest]

@Gorge95 why do you care so much what other people do with their lives? how does it affect you in any way? if you want to be a housewife, do that and don't worry about how others choose to live.

[TruthBringer]

@DianaWest The same question can be asked to you. Why are you bothered by her expressing her opinions? This is an open platform. People are allowed to share their opinions and perspectives. That not synonymous to being botherd by how others live their lives. In the end, people couldn't care less on how others lead their lives.

[Vegasrunner]

Lol, I agree but for a different reason women would not be able to handle rejection like that. Some women would seriously harm themselves if a man said no to them

[grega239]

Will you keep your position in the kitchen?

[DianaWest]

@TruthBringer yeah, i am also expressing my opinion, does it bother you? when you have something rude to say about how others live and choose to judge and criticize, expect an opinion.

[TruthBringer]

@DianaWest The only one who seems to have a problem is yourself, it is you who started to complain. So no, I don't have an issue with how others choose to live their lives. As long as they don't bother me with their issues.

[DianaWest]

@TruthBringer i was talking about that Gorge girl, not you. but it's nice you are her knight. just like she has right to an opinion, i too have a right to have an opinion about her opinion.

[TruthBringer]

@DianaWest As I have a right to my opinion about your opinion. Lovely isn't it? Freedom of speech.

[WhatTheHeckkkk]

If they want to.

It isn’t traditional but it’s becoming fairly common nowadays. Whatever works for the couple, is what matters.

[Justerino]

if a woman ever spent 3 months salary to put a rock on a man I’d be shocked 😮

[DianaWest]

@Justerino don't women already do that though? i mean, most married men have some pretty shiny rocks on their ring fingers. you think the man's gold wedding band with the diamond in the centre was bought from the dollar store?

[Justerino]

@DianaWest never in my life have I seen a man wear a diamond ring, I’ve worked for pretty big companies and maybe the most famous non-profit in the world. A multi ct ring on a man looks weird to me, no matter what finger. Please buy me a gold n diamond chain instead! 😭

[WellDone]

You should ask the woman you are dating what she things. If she wants to propose (not if she is ok with it) she can. But you should tell her if you want something as an engagment gift. In my opinion it's not a mans job. Sure if you are asking if she should get on one knee and put a wedding ring on your hand, I don't think so. The whole process of modern proposal is a effort to fit in, no one has used to buy an engagement rings, its not a part of engagent, it's not traditional it's nothing but a sad try to fit in and "obey social norms" started by a diamond company. Woman proposing to a man is breaking the "norm" ( not a tradition ) and destroying the whole effort to fit in by buying expensive jewellery. But if it's just about two people who love each other wanting to get married, one asks another to do it, I am all for it. I wish you best of luck!

[WellDone]

I am sorry for my grammar mistakes. (Just noticed, I wrote things instead of thinks)

[Guy122]

Ofc yea, It itsn't always us boys to take a step ahead, we'd love a change, if your partner is shy, and you really care about him, I see no point of you not askin him, trust me if everythn goes well, that'd be the one best things you'd have done in your life, and your partner would be so glad that you actually asked..

#break the stereotype!!

good luck!

[DianaWest]

of course, why not? Why should women waste so much time with a man if he won't offer her anything in return? I think 2 years is more than enough time to know if you want to marry someone. if not, go away and stop wasting the other person's time. when women give men an ultimatum, i find it hilarious how quickly things start to move. before, he was thinking of marriage 6 years down the line, now 2 years looks good.

[GlassTop]

No. The woman will just continue expecting the man to eventually ask them even though it’s been 5-8+ years into the relationship 😂 If women started asking the men, the guys would probably all say yes. Marriage would increase dramatically. But I think marriage has kind of been destroyed by the government. If government wasn’t involved, marriage would probably be vibrant again.

[Cherry234]

I wouldn't ever propose to a man. I can make the first move and ask a man out if I want to. But proposing is taking things too far... for me. I like to keep some things traditional.

[TheAfrikan]

Cheers to you traditional girl 😎 proposing should be for men.

[TonyMetal___86]

I also would never propose to a woman and don't like a woman proposing tok because if i'm dating a girl, it means that i'm in a serious relationship that will lead to marriage, so why would i propose? It's foolishness at it's best and i only bow for god...

[IveGotNoName]

Well I asked my boyfriend how he would react if I did (I am not planning to be the one to do it), and he said that he wants to do it. Some gender roles are okay.

[HighValue]

Yes, but instead of an engagement ring, offer him a prenuptial agreement. I bet more men would accept the proposal with that than they would when being presented with a ring.

[muscularbumblebee]

I mean if they want. My mum proposed to my dad back in the day. But these days marriage in general is becoming less common tbh

[VanillaSalt]

Nope. This is the man’s domain… you wanna secede MORE power to women? They control sex we control commitment.

[DianaWest]

sex is absolutely worthless and means nothing. imagine if a woman didn't have sex with you for 6 months but you loved her, now who is "controlling commitment?" would you hop on over to the lady who has a reputation of having sex with 10 men a month? would you propose to her? a man doesn't really control commitment because a woman can easily give a man an ultimatum. a woman controls commitment just as much as a man does. if a man doesn't want to commit, a woman can tell him 1 month and if not by then, bye bye. i don't need to waste my time on you any longer. a man who strings a woman along for more than 2 years is not the type of man that most women would highly admire or die to be in a relationship with. keep sitting on your ass and taking good women for granted, you might just realize your ideal woman has walked out the door and will never return because you "control commitment."

[VanillaSalt]

@DianaWest… kill all the bad men off in your mind. Do you think most of these men would stick around if you never gave them sex? Just looking at good men would they stay if sex was 100% off the table?

And I see what you mean and I’ve considered that a man asks and she says yes… however if your still with him either you haven’t decided yet or your waiting for him to ask. Who’s going to date a man they can’t see themselves marrying… so for her when he asks it’s either not yet or yes…

Also consider this… men value sex more then women that’s why their cheered for getting while whine who get it easier are scorned as sluts meanwhile the reverse is true for commitment. Women struggle getting a man to commit so they value commitment more. So if men value sex and women value commitment then that means women control the sex men want and men control the commitment women want.

And I’ll never marry. I’ve been in a 5 year long relationship and a 3 year long relationship without a thought to marriage. I was commuted but marriage isn’t an option. If the marriage don’t work out I suffer for it. There’s nothing I get from marriage I can’t get easier and cheaper outside marriage. Idc if you agree I value marriage to the degree I think most people can’t achieve it… if I can’t have true marriage I refuse all of it. If you got an issue you can leave.

[CelineBV]

In other words 8 years of a total waste of time. If you don't want marriage, would you be ok with keeping her a woman as your permanent girlfriend that you actually want to be with or she'll be just another collection of ex gfs?

[VanillaSalt]

Yes 8 years wasted. Agree. But I don’t hookup. I like long term partners. I just don’t like the state of marriage. I commit completely but I won’t sign a contract giving my date to a person that will probably leave and take much of me with her.

[CelineBV]

People have kids in a relationship too. If you don't have want kids either and just a forever girlfriend you can grow old with and have great intimacy (nothing beyond that) then yes that's tough. Less women than men want that. I suppose you can find her but it's going to be hard.

[CelineBV]

Yes it's going to be hard finding a woman that's interest in being your permanent girlfriend and have no desires for kids ever. I don't know any girl that wants that in my surroundings. Many that don't want marriage, do want kids in a relationship, something that adds value... beyound just sex.

I hate to tell you but for most of us, sex isn't ''omg this is my greatest thing in my life, the most important accomplishment ever''. It's rather the cherry on top after having a child with the man we love.

[VanillaSalt]

@CelineBV … I want kids very much. I feel my place in this world of a family including a wife and kids. The system is just set up in a way for me to fail. We can argue many many people fine happiness and fulfillment in marriage. But I can also argue statics. 53% of marriage ends in divorce. 80% are filed by women whom get the kids 90% off the time. This tells me more then likely my marriage will fail and when it does it’s her choice to end it and there’s almost nothing I can do to fix that furthermore when it does I lose my family, money, and reason for being…

It’s better to have loved and lost then never to have lived at all is a stupid statement. I’ll commit to the level I get what I want but don’t risk myself completely.

[VanillaSalt]

Also… I specifically said 100% no sex… there’s a difference between sex isn’t the end all be all and abstinence. It’s easy to accept someone you like won’t happen much but much harder to accept it never will.

[Adam1978]

Yes you are the ones wanting to get married. Men doesn't value marriage as much so why would they be the one asking?

[DianaWest]

it's okay. if some men don't value marriage, then they can just live alone for the rest of their lives and not complicate women's life. women can just go to a sperm bank to have children and those men can be free to do as they please if marriage and adult responsibilities are so scary.

[TruthBringer]

@DianaWest Not everyone who chooses not to get married ends up alone. Being married is no guarantee to growing old with someone. Plenty of relationships where people live and love together without having signed a marriage contract. Plenty of them whom are raising children as well. That's some black-white binary thinking you have there...

[Adam1978]

Why there is a middle ground that works just fine. Why go for either extreme.

[DianaWest]

@TruthBringer okay, but being married guarantees some economic security for your children. a man who isn't married to a woman can easily lose his marbles one day and decide to leave in the middle of the night and go to an island where no one will find him. ya know, running away from responsibilities. then what happens to the 3 children and woman he left behind?

i don't trust people that easily. if a man wants to have children with me, he better put a ring on it because i will not trust any sweet words he might say. i will have 0 guarantee that he will actually take on the responsibilities he says he will. if he is married and decides to go to a remote island and leave his family behind, at least the woman has some legal protections and can probably ask his momma and daddy and sister for financial support.

[Adam1978]

Well the government and state would drain whatever resources they can claim, and cover the rest with tax money. Marriage is irrelevant. If a man wants to get lost he can get lost as easily with a marriage as without.

[TruthBringer]

@DianaWest I stopped reading after you mentioned that marriage provides some economic security for kids. That is already there without the need for marriage. It's called childsupport.

[DianaWest]

@TruthBringer ah, child support? how does that happen if the Mr. runs off and no one can find him? You think some men are gonna stick around and be forced to pay child support? no, they'll move to another country. Now, if he were married to her and his family is still sticking around, the woman can seek financial support from his family. Some men need to understand that their actions have consequences, and running off onto a remote island to escape adult responsibilities can bite you in the ass. so many deadbeat fathers who don't care about their children, but of course its usually only the terrible horrible irresponsible single mothers that get crapped on by most people, and daddy gets to run away and not look back and start a new life.

[TruthBringer]

@DianaWest So you open your legs to someone who ends up running off. The question would be: Why did you open your legs to such a person, to begin with. Often these mothers who end up alone because the baby daddy runs off rush to become pregnant from a man whom they do not know, or they aren't taking the necessary precautions for brithcontrol. And don't even dare pin it on him taking off the condom, because last time I checked, it takes two to tango.

[Adam1978]

Talk about worrying about a one in a million chance. Unless you go around and screwing over young men who hasn't built a life yet. It's not that easy to just skip the country. Building a career takes time and you might not be able to bring your network with you.

[AviatorTom]

Sure, why not? If she's ready and she thinks he's ready too, maybe not willing to admit it yet, go ahead and propose.

[ChrisMaster69]

Yeah not a problem who does it.

its traditional on leap years for women to ask

[bamesjond0069]

Fuck no thats disgusting. Its like pressuring a virgin for sex. Men hold the power over marriage and any woman pressuring us is a creepy POS. The same way a man would pressure a virgin to fuck him is creepy pos too.

[Chattyguy44]

I'm a traditionalist so I prefer it be the other way around and i' down on my knee and i'm proposing to the lady. It just looks better and looks right

[SaoirseS]

Who cares who asks whom? It’s usually a private matter anyway.

[mstbooblover]

Why not actually? I'm open to that idea, depending on circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Just make sure you turn off your cell phone so nobody can interrupt

[Gingerguy33]

in my opinion It’s fine if they want to but I personally think the guys should do it

[chulo1992]

If I was the type pro marriage, I would say yes. I have been proposed to twice in my life and said NO both times.

[SlightlyEccentric]

I say only if she is ready and if she is sure. The same two questions any guy should ask himself when considering proposal.

[Twalli]

I don't know, because guys don't wear engagement rings. As far as asking out and asking a guy to marry her, then I don't see why not. The engagement ring thing is weird though.

[Duches_b]

😂🙏

[JoyGirl]

Women can…lol

My boyfriend most likely won’t like that idea. 🤣🤣🤣

[LivingExample]

No! A man proposing is him saying Marriage is what he wants. Women want men that want to get married without being Pressured into it!!

[MysteriousDarkness]

@LivingExample
The woman could also feel pressured if proposed to.

[DianaWest]

that's interesting. so women just need to wait around and say yes to what men want? when a man proposes, isn't that also pressuring a woman to say yes?

[LivingExample]

MysteriousDarkness, nowadays that is probably True, but there was a time when a man proposing to a woman was a Enormous Deal because women wanted to get Married!
DianaWest, that is Not what I said. If a woman feels it is time for a man to propose to her and he has Not, it is time for the woman to Walk Away. If a man ask a woman to marry him, but she does not want to it is time for the man to Walk Away. They both need to Find someone that Wants to get Married. If someone has to Pressure someone to marry them they do Not need to be Married!

[TheAfrikan]

No way she can propose to me. At leat I can stand her making a move on me. But proposing is way too extreme.

[DianaWest]

why? it's just a simple, three word phrase. what's so extreme about that? it honestly saves women so much time and stress when dating for a husband. unlike you men, women can't wait around until they are 100 years old to start a family. so i think it should become more common for women to propose to men. if the man says no, good, on to the next and i just saved my time. i think a woman should propose to a man after about 1 year and get married after 2 years. that is plenty of time. i think it is unacceptable that a lot of men propose to women after 3-5 years. that is too damn long to wait around for some guy who may change his mind the second some bigger boobed woman hops into the picture.

[TheAfrikan]

@DianaWest thanks for the comment I like your opinion too from your own perspective n I respect it

[Cherry234]

@TheAfrikan I agree with you on this. I mean if there are other couples where the woman proposes to the man and the man doesn't mind then that's fine. But I'm not going there.

[TheAfrikan]

@Cherry234 hahaahah thanks a lot dear, if you was around here I would take you out for A cup of coffee, tea or cappuccino lol.
A man in some situations should always be a man. And now when it comes to proposing it is a man's table to sit on. Since we value women a lot and they highly value a guy who proposes to them since it shows to them how much we do care about them and feel about them. so it should always be like that for we them guys to propose no matter how shy one is.

[Cherry234]

@TheAfrikan Agreed.

[Cherry234]

And that would be nice. 😉

[annabananna]

I wouldn’t do it but that doesn’t mean I think someone shouldn’t. Whatever works for them is great.

[DelayedMist]

NO, NO, NO, NO WTF!!! That is a masculine thing to do.

[WellDone]

If no one knew what you were doing with that ring, what would you do? Are you buying it for yourself? Why ring, why not something else? How expensive you thing wedding rings are? Or better question how expensive rings people actually buy and used to buy. Ask your greatgrandfather or grandfather how they proposed, how they talked with their wifes, then girlfriend, about idea of getting married

[llcanon]

my third wife did this and it was 20 years of living a nightmare- stay away from women who propose to you, This is good sound advise

[Anonymous]

A woman proposing is probably the funniest and dumbest thing I have ever seen, A man is supposed to be the one to propose so if it was the other way around then I would of felt bad for the guy because she is just embarrassing him by doing that.

[Luopio27]

They do with a positive results of a pregnancy test, according to facebook, picture card.

[clampfan101]

I think both genders should feel equally comfortable asking for things like marriage and dating.

[AZBlake777]

No… never. It’s the man’s duty to propose. It’s the the woman’s duty to accept or decline the proposal.

[GaGirls]

says who?

[MrJMM]

Sure if they want to. It's not like it's a big problem.

[grega239]

Its the current year, equality, everything a man can do a woman can do bleeding, etc.

[Andro36]

yes. why not? It is part of being a more progressive society

[Michael82]

Its 2022 I think it's time for girls to do that sometime so they can't wait forever for a man to do it

[Loonylemur]

I mean i'm sure its happened, somewhere in the world, I see no issue with it.
Let's break traditions! it's a different time period now.

[Eduman]

Only if she either wants a man that will eventually leave her for a man—or a man that doesn’t value marriage. Same thing.

[Jouth]

the only reason that a woman should be on her knees for a man...

[Anonymous]

Imagine a woman dating a guy who's richer than her and more educated and SHE asks him to marry her and give up half his life. Thats insane. Thats like asking someone to die for you.

[TsAubreyKate]

No any woman who does that isn’t ready and doesn’t understand her role in a marriage

[DianaWest]

and any man who expects a woman to wait around for his ass for more than 2 years can skedaddle out the door.

[TsAubreyKate]

@DianaWest he won’t though you will be the one skedaddling

[DianaWest]

@TsAubreyKate ah, you give too much value to men like you. a man who makes a woman wait forever before he commits is a low value loser and i bet the woman would be happy to leap out the door in that case. plenty of men lining up who are willing to commit. don't' cry when you lose a good woman because you sat on your ass and took her for granted.

[TsAubreyKate]

@DianaWest stringing people along is dick move but let me explain something to you women control which men get to have sex men control which women get to have relationships if a boy wants to have sex with a girl they say if you love her you’ll wait till she is ready same thing here but forcing someone into something they weren’t ready for or giving them an ultimatum @Subarugirl is a bad start to a marriage you sprained your ankle at the starting line because maybe he does want to get married just not to you this is what happens when you like a guy a whole lot more than he likes you

[Subarugirl]

Well there is a big difference between managing expectation and communicating boundaries and standards that you have and using ultimatums as manipulation tactic. Its transparent when men use the promise of future commitment as a manipulation tactic, and most women have gotten to the point were they won't put up with it.

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl if men did the same thing with sex we would be rapist

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl if an asshole womanizer who uses women

[Subarugirl]

Do what? Establish boundaries and conditions with in a realtionship?

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl yes men do that and women say they are creeps or pressuring them into sex

[Subarugirl]

There is a difference between communicating your needs with in a relationship and pressuring yoursignificant other into intercourse.

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl okay then explain to me how pressuring someone into marriage is different from pressuring someone into sex

[Subarugirl]

it's not but communicating you're needs and expectations is important in determining weather or not the relationship is worth continuing.

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl yes but your needs aren’t more important than the other person’s feelings

[Subarugirl]

actually they are, so if you are dating someone whos needs and goals for their future don't align with yours it is better to figure that out before leading them on and wasting both of their time. When you are dating someone the goal is to figure out weather or not they are going to be a good life partner, compromise is important when it comes to some things but when it comes to core values of marriage, children and sexual compatibility you probably shouldn't be sacrificing those things for someone who doesn't want them.

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl that goes both ways you should just leave not propose or give an ultimatum and honestly if your needs come before your partners feelings then you should be alone such a selfish relationship is a ticking time bomb and will affect everyone involved with you

[Subarugirl]

How are you supposed to figure out if you are in the same page if you don't talk about it

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl you have to talk and when you aren’t then cut ties and move on this is why I said it’s manipulation and forcing someone into something because why are you doing this with this specific person you’re trying to make two pieces of a puzzle that don’t fit

[Subarugirl]

there is a big difference between communicating and manipulation, I am talking about the former.

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl yes there is a difference and you may be talking about the former but what it is is the latter

[DianaWest]

@TsAubreyKate lol. you think men are the gatekeepers to relationships? lol. maybe for easy women who spread their legs every month for a new guy. so many guys now expect sex after the first date and bitch about how women are stringing them along for refusing to have sex with them after knowing them for gasp, a grand total of 3 weeks. like get out of here.

a smart woman will wait a few months (4-6) before doing anything sexual with a guy to avoid asshole players who just want to use her. if he truly loves her, her personality, her appearance, and they feel a connection, he would wait for her. Why do men bitch and whine about women who don't have sex with them yet a woman isn't allowed to expect a marriage after a certain amount of time has passed? how about i propose this: every woman on the planet from now on will decide to not have sex with a man unless he proposes and marries her (that's how civilized society used to do it a few centuries ago anyways). i bet you men would be proposing left and right. why do you feel men are entitled to expect sex, yet a woman shouldn't expect commitment in return? men expect women to have sex with them after 2 dates, then he dumps her because there wasn't a "connection," and then he complains about how women have too many sexual partners. fascinating hypocrisy.

[DianaWest]

@TsAubreyKate and just to clarify, this is not all men who behave like this, just a considerably large number of them.

[TsAubreyKate]

@DianaWest men are the gate keepers of relationships and let me tell you why because 90% OF THE WOMEN GO AFTER 10% OF THE MEN you said men should only be allowed to have sex if they propose well what if he is already married a lot of average women are gonna have to take what they can get or in other words date down because “all the good ones will be taken “ and how do you not even see your own hypocrisy why do you women feel entitled to a relationship it’s know wonder why mostly women file for divorce because you try to force marriage out of men

[Subarugirl]

Lol you are single aren't you

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl look i appreciate you shooting your shot but you and me not gonna happen let’s keep this professional

[Subarugirl]

So then yes... can't say that I am surprised honestly.

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl fyi I’m not single and just became a dad a six months ago I think I don’t really know how old that kid is but yeah

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl and why does that even matter

[Subarugirl]

You sound like an amazing father..

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl thanks mother of year🙄

[DianaWest]

@TsAubreyKate men aren't entitled to sex, especially if a woman feels like he isn't serious and doesn't love her. why should a woman give a man everything he wants and get nothing in return? as for the gatekeepers, lol. both men AND women can refuse and simply WALK OUT of a relationship. men are the gatekeepers to nothing. and just because most women want 10% of men, doesn't mean they'll get those men. i see plenty of average looking people in happy relationships, so your reasoning is flawed. most people by the way are very mediocre. the "hot ones" probably got some botox and boob job. only like 3% of people are head turning gorgeous without the need for any makeup or other enhancements. so we're just a bunch of mediocre people in relationships with other mediocre people

[Subarugirl]

@DianaWest exactly. He just doesn’t seem to get it

[TsAubreyKate]

@DianaWest you just don’t understand my reasoning remember what I said women decide which men get to have sex and men decide which women get married women wait for marriage men wait for sex women don’t want to just WALK OUT because that’s the man they want that’s why they use desperate manipulation tactics proposing, intentional pregnancy, ultimatum s etc. because women aren’t entitled to marriage and fyi looks aren’t all it takes to make a guy 10 percenter jeff bezos looks like a flaccid albino turtle penis

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl says the person who forced someone into marrying them maybe he didn’t want to marry you why didn’t you Just WALK OUT!

[Subarugirl]

I didn't force him to marry me, I communicated to him that was my goal for the relationship and we shared that goal. Then later on he proposed and asked me to marry him.

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl and what if he did the same thing with sex

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl I don’t think you understand how dating works its not some trading system

[Subarugirl]

No its not its about compatibility and finding out if your goals and needs align. How are you supposed to do that with out having a discussion

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl how is that any different from supply and demand

[Subarugirl]

It's called communication

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl that’s how deals work that’s how controlling people have relationships

[Subarugirl]

No that's how mature, responsible adults have a relationship, they respectfully communicate with each other. If you want to just give up and walk away anytime that you're unhappy or unfulfilled in a relationship that's up to you to be a lazy quitter. Personally I would much rather try to discuss and communicate with my significant other in order to reach a mutual agreement and understanding where we both feel heard and respected.

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl I didn’t ask for your life story my point is @DianaWest men get to decide whether or not you get married because proposing is our choice it’s a man’s right lol

[Subarugirl]

Women propose too bud lol

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl no desperate little girls do

[Subarugirl]

actually queens do, not that you would know that but then again that's not a surprise

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl there are only 26 royal families living now and of that 26 only 13 of them have queens not that you would know that lol

[TsAubreyKate]

@Subarugirl queens don’t need ultimatums or demeaning themselves and spitting on their womanhood by getting down on one knee to propose to a man

[DianaWest]

@TsAubreyKate as i said, men are the gatekeepers to nothing as both men and women can easily end a relationship and find a new one if they have very different goals and values. there are many men in the world who are just as desperate to get married and start a family as women are. you overestimate men's value in relationships. women don't need to wait around for some penis to determine how her entire life will play out or whether or not she can be a mother. in the 21st century, a lot of women are choosing to be single mothers by choice, so if some men don't want to get married and take on adult responsibilities, no problem. women have other options, one of them being not needing men to determine whether or not they can have a family and be happy in life. a woman's happiness no longer relies on a man. a woman can now own her own business, have her own house, her own car, her own money, and yes, be a single mother by choice. here is how i view men when i date them: if they don't propose to me within 2 years of dating, they are like socks. i take them off and put on a new pair. no need to worry. i realize i sound really mean, and i don't think all men are like this. but i don't have any patience for some men's bullshit games and over inflated egos. i am a serious woman and i know what i want (most importantly babies and a happy family). if a man doesn't want to give that to me, next. there are 50 guys still waiting in line.

[TsAubreyKate]

@DianaWest yes men are the gatekeepers of relationships you just said if he doesn’t propose you’ll move on I’m talking about when it comes to entering a relationship same goals and same values doesn’t mean a match made in heaven plenty of people get divorced who had same goals and values yes men do want families too but we will only do that with the right woman you underestimate mens value which lets me know that unless you change and quit being so selfish you’re future relationships are doomed to fail women like you are ruining society by depriving children of having fathers in their lives which by the way really fucks kids up in the long run this isn’t about adult responsibilities this is about you and getting what you want and that’s the wrong attitude to have when pursuing marriage and at the end of the day women do need men if you want babies a man has to become aroused and nut also the fact that you think that stuff will bring you happiness is pathetic honestly that’s basic shit that anyone can and could have and fyi a woman’s happiness does depend on a man because women back then we’re way less depressed and happier than you women now and ya know I take that back y’all aren’t women y’all are little ass girls tryna play grown up you don’t sound mean you sound selfish asf you care more about what you get out of the relationship than what you can give

[DianaWest]

@TsAubreyKate oh piss off. you are such a damn hypocrite, bitching about how selfish women are, what the fuck are you? you want women to do everything according to a man's timeline and wait around forever and bend her ass to his every desire. my relationships aren't doomed to fail because i am attracted to men with a brain who are real men and who know what they want in life. that is mutual respect, compromise, and willing to give and take, not just take, take, take, and take and fucking around and leading a woman on. like i said, many many many women in the 21st century have chosen to be single mothers by CHOICE. it's called artificial insemination and sperm bank and they have a lot of family and friends who support them. a woman's desire to be a mother shouldn't be based on the whims and desires of a man. if i meet a good man who wants to have a family with me and respects me and not an asshole, that would be wonderful. but if not, i am not letting anyone but MYSELF determine my happiness and future. if i want children, i will have them and could care less if a man wants to stick around or not because children are the most important thing to me. i would not emotionally hurt a man if he respects me, but i have 0 tolerance for bullshit. so take your bullshit and piss off. most women are allergic to assholes and we can smell bullshit from 20 miles away. i suggest you change your toxic attitude because the bullshit is starting to stink. you keep talking about what women should give in relationships, but what about men? what can men GIVE in relationships? actually, what can YOU give in a relationship besides your wiener and self-importance?

[DianaWest]

@TsAubreyKate also, if you want, you can avoid proposing to a woman because you clearly think you are too good for the female species. so just keep rejecting every woman and wait for the perfect one that will likely never come, until one day you'll find yourself an old geezer in a nursing home with no wife and no kids. you can talk to the walls and the nurse that will change your diaper. as for basic shit, i don't give a crap what you think is basic shit. what isn't basic shit? money? some cement walls that keeps your head from getting wet during a rainstorm? ha ha. having money with no one to laugh and share it with (i. e. children, a family) means shit. success in life to me means a happy family with children. i don't know what makes you happy, but if its material items, good luck being an old geezer going through a mid-life crisis when you realize most women are already paired up and your only options are the 60 year olds, the 20 year old gold diggers, or the single women with 5 kids.

[TsAubreyKate]

@DianaWest unfortunately pig headed people like you have to learn through tragedies I said what I said do with it what you will I’m not going to keep going back and forth when you’re ready to behave like and adult let’s have a conversation then ok little girl

[DianaWest]

@TsAubreyKate what tragedies are you referring to that i will experience bitch? you're no one to me and your opinion is 0. women are in control of their bodies, their futures, and their happiness, does that make you mad? i will stop interacting with you because you have proven you don't have more than 2 brain cells

[Anonymous]

If she wants to marry and he ISN'T proposing. Closed mouths don't get fed.

[Scooter123]

If woman proposes does the man wear the engagement ring

[Anonymous]

Bu şekilde yapamam ama teklif edeceğim, resimdeki gibi teklif edecek değil mi?

[Samantha_17]

Ne hoş olurdu :)

[SnakeBoop]

if they want to sure.

[dustybiker]

Should? Depends on the relationship.

[Citizenkirk]

Yes, she wants too tie the knot.

[Nagahime]

No shame, I'd propose to a man.

[exitseven]

I suppose anything goes these days

[KatherineJ]

If she wants to, sure.

[sirderpsalot123]

I think the man should propose. Just my opinion.

[Layafell]

Yeah why not we are in 2022

[Anonymous]

No way, her life will become hell

[Gorge95]

Lol exactly. Best believe that man will lose SO MUCH respect for the woman that does that.

[WellDone]

@Gorge95 Why should you do anything then? Isn't anything you do a reason for a man to loose interest? I understand if you don't the courage to ask your man to marry you, but him loosing interest because of you wanting to be with him smells unhealthy

[Gorge95]

I’m engaged and he proposed to me. Not the other way around. And oddly enough its men who commonly feel grossed out by women proposing to them. It’s odd to me. Not trying to offend anyone but I’m not comfortable with it.

[WellDone]

I still have to add, you both must be 👌 with the idea. But in my opinion you become engaged the moment you talk about marriage and agree to get married one day

[MountAverage]

Why on Earth should she not?

[MasonAlucardthethird]

If that’s what you want

[Jamie05rhs]

She can if she wants to; I don't give a shit.

[Apulu_3]

Yeah why not

[t_time]

No it's weird

[Hanrej]

I think that's The direction it's going.

[SpaceGalaxy]

No, i am old school. I would like to propose