1.3K opinions shared on Relationships topic. 'Proper' doesn't really enter into it. It's not 'traditional', right.
It seems to me that proposing is one tradition that both men and women seem to like and want to keep, no matter how times are changing.
I think there should always be discussions about what each person wants. The answer should already sort of be known, ideally. But the issue is that, generally, women have wanted to get married and men have been reluctant - to commit, give up their freedom, etc. Both parties have always gained - and in some ways lost some things - but it is men who believe they lose the most. For this reason, I, personally, have never wanted to push or coerce, or even really influence too much, a man to marry me. I need it to come from him, in order for me to accurately gauge where his head is at.
But there are many girls who have been with a guy who was a laggard, and he would stay dating, or not fully committed, or maybe living together without a marriage contract... there's all sorts of permutations, right. But he doesn't see advantages to marrying her when he has everything that he wants already. If that was the case, then, yes, the girl needs to make a tough decision. Is she investing in that guy too much, too long?10 Reply
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+1 yIt's not IMproper.
But the fact that you say "they have been in a relationship for SO LONG without the guy saying ANYTHING about marriage," has me worried.
If that iS the case, then something's off. A woman popping the question when everything else points to the couple getting married: i. e. they've discussed having or not having children, they've talked about financing a house, what neighborhood they'd like to live in, if they want to start or finish their educations, where they'd like to travel together, how they're going to save for the future, what priority cooking, cleaning, meal planning, exercise, has in their lives...
If all of those subjects have been broached, it sounds like everything but the rings and the ceremony have been decided on.
But if the pair are cruising along with no future planned and no joint anything but grocery shopping and maybe a summer vacation and splitting rent and gas costs, sounds like it's just a "right now" arrangement, not a pairing with a future.
Of course, if you propose and he turns you down, you ALSO have your answer on a silver platter.00 Reply
1.7K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Rather than take the chance of messing up his Valentine's Day plans, it might make more sense to just start the conversation about relationship and marriage. Find out his thoughts and feelings about relationships, and learn how his ideal differs from what he has with you. How does he feel about the institution of marriage? If he's open to it, under what circumstances would he consider it? Once you know where he stands, it will be easier for you to determine if this might work for both of you. You understand the hesitancy people have with initiating and then dealing with potential rejection. Life tends to be much easier and more productive when we are all considerate of each other.
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+1 yIt’s highly uncommon and most men don’t want that. A recent UC Santa Cruz survey found no men would prefer that and two thirds would be strongly opposed to that. Only 2.8% of women thought they might want to propose.
What’s more common is letting him know you want to get married and want him to propose or give a deadline.
It’s fine if you do propose. Just be aware a lot of guys will be off put by that. Still some go for it. I’m not sure what percentage of marriages had the woman propose. But I’m sure there’s plenty where women pushed for a proposal.10 Reply
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+1 yShe can if she wants to but personally I wouldn't do it. I think some things are better off to be left as traditional. It's more sweet coming from the man because honestly women are already thinking about marriage and Prince Charming since watching cartoon fairy tales. Even as kids, we are already playing with dollhouses so it takes away the surprise if she proposes.
If I had to propose I would think he was either to afraid to do it himself or didn't care enough. I like a man that's in charge regarding that and that takes risks, not someone with commitment phobia.11 Reply- +1 y
Personally if the relationship has been going for too long and he isn't proposing... chances are he doesn't want to ever marry her. It shouldn't be taking too long. If she proposes it wouldn't be done out of love and an ''wow, that's so sweet'' moment but out of desperation and even as an ultimatum. She should break up.
+1 yYes it fine, in fact Leap years were the time to do it.
However in modern days either can propose.
the following Wiki link has some info on it and why the Americans never took on this more European tradition…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor%27s_Day_(tradition)21 Reply- +1 y
This sums it up and explains a few things…
Extract fro the above link..
By the early 20th century, the tradition had reached the United States, but was treated misogynistically.[1]
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yHmm this is tough. In a so called “gender equal” world is would be proper for her to buy a ring, plan an opportune time and take the gut wrenching moment of truth of taking a knee.
But tbh the vast majority of guys would be thrown off by this especially if it was done in public. It would be virtually impossible to say no. And tbh “gender equal” or not it would feel emasculating.
It would be better for a woman to have an honest conversation saying she wants to get married but not an actual proposal.00 ReplyIf you're with a guy for a long time and he never brought it up then you should do it and have a serious conversation about what you both want out of it. Most likely you're wasting your time and he's NOT waiting for a proposal and will most likely reject you.
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+1 yWell I don’t plan on ever getting married so if a woman were to propose to me she doesn’t know me at all. The answer would be an obvious no and to make things worse she’s probably use the people around us as peer pressure. In a society that caters to women, I’d be ridiculed for saying no to her proposal. 🤷🏻♂️
00 Reply2.4K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Absolutely right it is, especially with Valentine's Day fast approaching!
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+1 yWait. So she’s buying her own ring? If she proposes and he says “yes”, does she then put his engagement ring on his finger or does she put her engagement ring (from herself) on her own finger and then hand him the bill for the ring? Or does she pick out and pay for her own engagement ring? If the answer to the last question is “yes” then I could see getting behind this movement.
10 ReplyYes, but I will say that l would personally wait for the guy to propose. I knew of a girl who proposed to her boyfriend and they ended up getting divorced because he said yes even though he didn’t want to marry her :/
00 ReplyWhy would it me improper? In the end they could end up being married and isn't that the point in the end? Does it really matter who asked who?
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+1 yFrankly am okay with her making a move on me and she spits out her guts, memories, ideas, vibes but am not okay with her proposing marriage to me.
Nope me as a man I am the one to propose to her, since i would want to make her feel more than special.00 Reply My mans a lucky guy if you propose to him.
Equality and that, if you want to marry him, you go for it and ask! I doubt he'd say no!20 Reply
+1 yAs any good attorney will tell you, the most important thing is to know the answer before you ask the question! ;) Just make sure it's a Leap Year when you ask. That's traditionally when a woman can ask a man to marry her (rather than the other way around), and it'll add some fun to what should already be a fun conversation. But again: know the answer first!
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+1 yI would just say
You will never know untill you try.
Wait for Valentine's day and also do it in private settings so that godforbid by any chance it goes south nobody will be there.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 ylol, so ridiculous (to me) what society sometimes makes people believe is "proper" or not. Just like a woman should be able to ask a guy out, she should also propose if she wants to.
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+1 yFor me personally, no! It just feels weird to me, and the idea of a man proposing feels more romantic. I imagine if I were the one to propose, people would wonder what's wrong with him that I had to it myself lol.
00 ReplyWe live in the new age, girl! propose to a guy if you feel like it.
20 ReplyI mean yeah, do it. I don't know I can only speak for myself but I would be ecstatic at the attempt even if I had to turn it down.
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+1 yWhy not? Someone needs to take charge. Infact I would really appreciate any girl who musters the courage to confess to me.
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+1 yNo. Its disgusting. Id be highly offended and out of principle would say no because its morally wrong. Women control sex and men marriage. The equivalent would be a man pushing you into having sex. Not right.
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Yes and both cases have solutions. If a man just wants sex and no commitment and never get married, then there are hookers or casual ONS girls into that. They're just as crazy as sex as him.
If the woman wants marriage and he's just stringing her along (it's becomes a BWF category by then) then she needs to be woman enough to break up and block him permanently, no contact ever whatsoever. I did that and I'm currently in a new relationship with a more traditional man that doesn't think ''marriage is just a piece of paper''.
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@Vesuvius87 how you're behaving right now is the equivalent of incel rage. Just as women dont owe men sex, men do not owe women relationships or marriage. Its not our responsibility to ensure you get what you want.
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Laying out the boundaries in the beginning and finding someone with similar views isn't incel rage? So what you're saying is I should have no saying about where I stand up and let another man waste my time and be a forever girlfriend again?
If someone isn't happy they can walk out at any time. If they stay on an unwanted position then they got no one else to blame but themselves for staying. It's not about being entitled to sex, relationship or marriage... it's about being with a like-minded person.
Men that only want sex have every rights to seek for women that only want sex and are happy on the same page. Likewise marriage-minded women have rights to seek a marriage-minded man. Why not!!! - +1 y
When two people aren't at the same page and one is getting string along or used... that's the problem.
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@Vesuvius87 "If someone isn't happy they can walk out at any time." Exactly. You have no right to pressure a man into committing to you. Instead of whining just break up. Problem solved on your own without bothering anyone else. Easy.
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I have already broke up with my 1st boyfriend and blocked him. I'm with someone else now... someone with similar views.
+1 yI am pretty certain that many males at GaG would love this.
As for me,
hell no.00 Reply
+1 yMy wife proposed to me after dating for 18 months we got married 6 months later and that was almost thirty years ago
00 Reply301 opinions shared on Relationships topic. Of course, people only like to disagree because it's 'traditional'
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yA lot of the time. When a woman has to propose, chase, ask out, pursue or chase... it's because the guy is simply not interested enough, or not interested at all.
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+1 yGonna go with no on this one. If you want to get married then talk to the man about it and see if he wants that or not and let him know where you stand on the issue. The proposal is his move though.
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+1 yNo, not traditional, he is either a pussy and to scared to ask, or he doesn't see her that way
00 ReplyNo, the man needs to have the guts to ask. That is his place not mine.
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Leave her alone she’s only 15 you freak
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Freak show
1.2K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Not seen anyone arrested for it, so you do you. But not sure the guy will live it down.
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+1 yI was proposed to once! I would've accepted but she was only 3 years old, at the time.
10 Reply 6.7K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Proper? No one gets a vote beside the proposer and her partner.
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+1 yIf you care maybe you aren't in love enough? (Or maybe you're confused why they haven't yet..)
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+1 yIt's sad and desperate. If your man doesn't propose then it means he has no intentions of taking the relationship seriously.
00 Reply 6K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Absolutely! I have a ladyfriend who proposed to her husband 18 years. Ago and they're still going strong.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yIt’s year 2022... women are allowed to take the lead and ask men out or make proposals... but I would be a bit cautious and not bring it up very abruptly or suddenly especially if your boyfriend is a shy sensitive cautious type of a guy...
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+1 yIt doesn't matter anymore. At the current divorce rate it doesn't mean anything who ever proposes first
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI think more and more women are going to have to do it because more and more men are not interested in marriage so they're not going to do it themselves.
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+1 yNo.
If my girlfriend did it to me I would cut bait...00 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yProper? Frankly, it's the way it should be. Fewer and fewer men are interested in marriage anymore, for what should be obvious reasons. Women are going to have to start getting down on their knees.
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+1 yThat's completely fine. My ex-fiancee asked me to marry her.
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Why did you break up?
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@Jamie05rhs The relationship became toxic, and she was slightly abusive at times.
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Aw. I'm sorry to hear that, man.
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@Jamie05rhs It sucked, but there's nothing that can be done about it.
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I feel you, man.
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Did you experience something similar?
5.1K opinions shared on Relationships topic. No one should propose if marriage wasn't discussed.
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+1 yYou certainly can if you want to. I don't see anything wrong with it.
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+1 yMen are running from marriage and relationships. So good luck with that.
Unless you find yourself a soyboy or a fat guy or some sissy boy.01 ReplyThat's pretty cool, but you have to be sure he'll be ok with it. Many guys wouldn't and want to take the lead, y'know?
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+1 yit depends
you'd have to take it into consideration how old the two are, and why she's doing it00 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yYes sure. That may scare off the weak men but at least you got the results you were after. The results may or may not be of your liking.
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+1 yI say don't do it unless you are for sure he wants to get married and us ready to.
00 Reply We're in the 21st Century. I think if a female would like to propose then why not?
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+1 ywe dont want marriage, we can live happy together without it
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yIf the head of the house will be a woman when they get married, why not.
00 Reply478 opinions shared on Relationships topic. I think it doesn't matter in the 21st century really
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+1 yBring up the subject of Marriage instead of proposing!
00 ReplyI wish it would happen to me. Engaged many times but no marriage
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+1 yNo, it's not. If you man hasn't asked you to marry him, then you need to figure out why.
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+1 y@julianna445 All that matters is a lady having the guts to propose to a guy.
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+1 yNo very sad and desperate no real woman would behave in such a shameful manner
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says the guy who was just complaining about how women never take initiative.
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@Subarugirl the exception doesn't make the rule
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You were just complaining about how women don’t take initiative and now it’s “shameful”. Pick a side
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@Subarugirl no I said proposing is shameful
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Proposing is taking initiative.
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@Subarugirl so did/would you have proposed to your husband
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Well I was the one who initiated the relationship. Neither of us really proposed, we talked and agreed to get married mutually. I gave him an ultimatum though, we either get married or our relationship was over. I actually bought is ring before he bought mine.
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@Subarugirl
ultimatums suck...
Do you end want to get marry, knowing that he would've never proposed on his own without the ultimatum? Do you want to marry someone that you practically had to force it out of him and that it wasn't his idea to get married but yours? - +1 y
@Vesuvius87 I didn't force him to do shit... and marriage was on the table before I got pregnant. We had already planned to get married after he graduated grad school, but the pregnancy bumped up the time line. I wasn't going to be a single mother, and I didn't twist his arm.
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@Subarugirl
While it's understandable you don't want to be a single mother, it's not exactly a great position to be in. If he proposes and gets married, unfortunately it won't be out of happiness but rather because of the child mainly. Personally I think it isn't wise to get pregnant before marriage. - +1 y
@Vesuvius87 yeah no kidding, it not like it was planned.
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It was his choice, if he didn't want to marry me, he wouldn't have. I didn't force him.
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@Subarugirl an ultimatum isn’t a choice it’s a conditional demand
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Why would I waist my prime on someone who didn’t want to marry me when I made that clear that was my intention in dating? It was choice, if the goal wasn’t marriage then dating would be pointless. He knew that from the beginning. I didn’t command him to marry me, I expresses which direction I was going in my life and he was free to join me or not.
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*waste
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@Subarugirl the point of an ultimatum is that you’re not giving them a choice you’re putting them between a rock and a hard place just to get what you want it’s actually a manipulation tactic
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How is telling someone that you are in a relationship with, that if their goal for being in that relationship isn't the same as yours there is no point in continuing that relationship? It wasn't manipulation it was communicating goals and what would be a deal breaker. If one person wants to get married and have kids, and the other doesn't... that's a deal breaker, not manipulation.
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@Subarugirl it is manipulative because you only did it to get a result that you desired and I don’t think I need to tell you this but relationships are about compromise not boxing someone in to get what you want an ultimatum is my way or the highway
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establishing goals, and boundaries with in a romantic relationship is not manipulation. Are you saying that I should have stayed with someone who didn't share the same goals for a relationship as I did? How is that fair to anyone involved?
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@Subarugirl I’m not saying that I’m saying a relationship is merging two lives together you only want someone with the same goals because you think it’ll be easier and it’s not people try to dance around the difficulties of having a relationship and it’s unavoidable you are not in a relationship with yourself neither is the other person that’s why you have to find equal footing I know this is cliche but relationships are a never ending compromise if only one person in the relationship is getting what they want it’s doomed to fail because believe it or not you’re neglecting your partner that’s why people say communication is key I’m not saying establishing goals is manipulation I’m saying an ultimatum is because you cannot lose it’s a win win situation for you because you’re okay with either scenario
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While I agree breaking is right if neither are on the same page nor have similar goals, I have to also agree there is NO compromise if someone wants marriage and kids and the other doesn't. There is no middle ground on that.
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Exactly, so telling your significant that if you don't both have the same end goal for dating then there isn't a point in continuing that relationship. That's called communicating and establishing boundaries, not manipulations.
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I see now why so many people struggle with and hate dating because no one wants to put in the effort to have a worth while relationship Dating someone with the same goals isn’t gonna make your relationship better because even if you have the same goals you’re going to want to do them a different way this is why so many relationships fail y’all honestly believe that compatibility is the only thing that matters and for the last time I said giving someone an ultimatum is manipulation not goals communication etc.
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No it’s not manipulation, that’s my point. I’m glad you agree
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@Subarugirl I never said it wasn’t I said an ultimatum is
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@Subarugirl the fact that you had to give him an ultimatum means that you shouldn’t have married him
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I don't think that communicating my intentions and goals is an ultimatum, honestly I don't think any rational person would.
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@Subarugirl are you messing with me? Because I think we have already established that
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Yeah we have and somehow you keep trying to make it sound like manipulation.
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@Subarugirl I said an ultimatum. Ultimatum! Spell it out if you need to U L T I M A T U M you’re the one attaching all this other stuff to it an ultimatum is manipulating someone to get a results that you desire besides the ones you provided they have no other options
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An ultimatum is defined as: a final demand or statement of terms, the rejection of which will result in retaliation or a breakdown in relations. Giving someone ultimatum can be manipulative, but in this case it was not. Telling someone that if they do not have the same goals for being in a relationship with you there is no point in continuing that relationship is not manipulation... I don't understand how you can be confused by that. It's not that complicated. If you want to get married which is the reason you are dating someone, how is telling them that if they don't share that goal there is no point in continuing the relationship manipulative?
Ultimatums in relationships should occur only when you truly cannot continue the relationship if nothing changes. They should not be used as idle threats or as a tool to manipulate your partner. Ultimatums are not inherently manipulative, which is what you are failing to realize. - +1 y
@Subarugirl an ultimatum is literally one of these most toxic things to use in a relationship because no matter the result it wasn’t genuine your partner was pressured , and forced to take action planting a seed of resentment towards you that’s the whole point of an ultimatum it’s about control and getting your needs met over your partner it’s not a choice it’s a conditional demand if you’re threatening to leave someone if they don’t meet your demands you clearly don’t have their best interest in mind and you shouldn’t be with them that’s very selfish and tells a lot about your character
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Ultimatums in relationships should occur only when you truly cannot continue the relationship if nothing changes. When you are dating, you are not married, why would you continue to date someone who isn't on the same page as you. It sounds a whole lot like you are saying that you should stay with someone who doesn't have the same goals as you and expressing what you need in order for the relationship to continue is selfish and manipulative.
How would you handle a situation like this? Let's say for example you want to get married and have kids, how would communicate that to someone you are dating that, that is a requirement for what you want in your life?
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@Subarugirl if that’s what you wanted and that was a dealbreaker you shouldn’t have even dated you should made that clear and kept it moving then you should’ve just left but you wanted that person to do what you wanted Human beings are not psychic you don’t know if you would’ve ever found that person you gave him and ultimatum because it would be more convenient for you to convince this person that you wanted to do it if not you would’ve never spoke after you made your goals clear never dated and you would still be single and searching because having the same goals is as about as important as putting salt on bacon
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Isn't that the purpose of dating though? To find out if your goals and their goals for the future align? How is that manipulative to tell someone you are dating that if your goals don't alight there is not point in continuing the relationship?
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@Subarugirl is that the only reason to continue dating? Is that the only thing to consider when dating? Of course not oh he beats me disrespects my family is an alcoholic doesn’t want to work clean up after himself is racist xenophobe and sexist But he had the same goals he wanted to get married and have kids so I married him come on dude really?
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For some people yes, that is the primary reason for dating. And no it is not the only thing that should be taken into consideration, there are many things that should. I am glad that you agree.
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@Subarugirl whatever.
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+1 yWho cares about what’s “proper”? Live live the way you wanna live it.
00 Reply Ofc it is, there's no law saying you have to wait for the guy to ask
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yYou're right, marriage is just a contract for the courts.
00 Reply1.3K opinions shared on Relationships topic. No, that’s not a good idea.
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+1 y''We'' are a bit slow sometimes :D
Go for it.00 Reply 494 opinions shared on Relationships topic. Sure. It's the same as a guy.
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