It's not a bad thing, but it does become more difficult to find a mate as you get older. I don't mean to sound sexist, but that is especially true for women simply due to the fact that the things men value in a woman are different than the ones women value in a man. The things that make a man valuable in a man tend to increase with age (to a degree) while the things men vale in women tend to decrease with age. There are of course lots of exceptions.
But it is also true that people in general are getting married later in life now.
Not for a man, because he's just nearing his socioeconomic prime, so he's in a better position to negotiate a better deal. Genrally speaking time doesn't favor women as by age 30 a woman is past the age where men (irrespective of age) find women the most attractive (early 20s), on top of that her fertility window is beginning to close.
women don't need men to have children. plenty of single mothers by choice and sperm banks. plenty of women with better paying job than men. women don't need men to find them attractive enough to determine their entire lives, futures and whether they can be mothers. i think some of you fellas value yourselves far too much. as i said to a number of other assholes in this comment section, i see a future where more and more women are going to choose to be single mothers by choice and ignore men, especially those with toxic mentalities. then you "high-value" fellas can marry each other. enjoy. :)
also, 90% of men are average joe shmoes. fat, bald, mediocre face, mediocre personality, and mediocre salary. 5% are extremely hot, and 5% are extremely rich but ugly or mediocre looking. those 10% can have any woman they want. but even money is very easy to lose. one day you are rich, the next you invest in something risky and you are back down to pinching pennies. the "leftover" men will have to gasp, consider women in their 30s and above as being human and having value.
@DianaWest - Between full time working men and women, there is a differene of about $10,000 pa, so men outearn women, might be that will change one day, but no time soon. Most single mothers are on govt. assistance, a govt. where most tax payers are men. The system of govt. assistance and welfare state is exclusive to the west and exists nowhere outside it for vast majority of the world's popuation. And no one cares what you speculate the future to be.
@DianaWest - If most men are average, than what are most women? - They are average also, hitting the wall somewhere near 27-28. And very few men who earn their money lose it because of few risky investments. Someone who has earned money knows how to diversity their porfolio into non volatile assets and minimize their risks.
@Kaamraj i live in Canada sweetie. I don't know what planet or century you're from, but here most women make the same wages as men, if not more. many women in the western world work corporate jobs, are doctors, lawyers, accountants, nurses, professors, etc. a woman who chooses to be single mothers will usually be financially secure. the single mothers you see are on government assistance because they got knocked up by "high value" men who like to get their wieners wet but don't know how to be real men with real adult responsibilities. if a woman chooses to have children on her own, she will make sure she has enough money before doing so. there is a big difference between a wealthy, financially independent and successful woman who CHOOSES to be a single mother and makes plans for this 2 years in advance and a poor 19 year old girl who gets knocked up by accident soon after graduating from high school and still work a minimum wage job. if a woman CHOOSES to be a single mother, it is her CHOICE and she will be prepared for it. that means, no need for government assistance of any kind, and in Canada, tax payers are about 50 50 women and men, so i don't know where you pulled your info from about men making up the largest percent of taxpayers. probably from your ass.
as for women hitting the wall at 27-28, i think you are just a sad bitter lonely man who is sexually frustrated that very few women, even the ones your age or older, will give you any attention. stop aiming so high and look for a woman in your league. men who claim they're so great and hate women are usually extremely mediocre and are just delusional. as for me claiming most men are mediocre, that is true, but that was in response to your claim that men are just these incredible godly, divine flawless beings whose value just keeps growing as he ages while women are like withering flowers. just giving you a reality check. plenty of rich women in the world as well. what makes you think an older woman can't get a hot, young, muscular 20 something man with her money? you think some men aren't gold diggers? they are just as much as some women.
@DianaWest - Your view is quite narrow to the region of the world you live in while vast majoirty of the people in the world live outside your bubble. You live in Canada you say, that is part of the western world. In Canada the difference in average wage for men and women is about $17,000, so most men are outearning women, it's only a tiny fraction of Canadian women who outearn men. That also means that men contribute most of the income taxes towards the Canadian govt.
You are right in that there are plenty of women in the corporate jobs and are professionals that take years of schooling and training, however women are severely under-represented in trades such as plumbers, electricians, soldiers, oil riggers, which offer a decent income after relatively short on the job training. That is one reason why men continue to outearn women, becasue they choose to take those dirty and risky jobs.
About 21% of families with children have single mothers, which is about 5 % for male, so single moters are 4X more than single fathers. About 32% (nearly a third) of single mothers are below poverty and quality for welfare, against 16% of single father led households (2X). So who is claiming the lion's share of state welfare, if for every 1 single father 8, single mothers are eligible?
Secondly, from what I can read abortion at all stages of pregnancy is legal and publically funded so if a woman has a child, it means she chose to have it, getting pregnant and having the child takes two, but only one, the woman has unilateral control of what happens after ejaculation.
I got all my information and data from official reports and the statistical buraru of your country.
Kindly look at this report here where they have surveyed men and women, and it's quite evident that as per men (irrespective of age) women in their early 20s are most attractive, whereas women's preference is much more linear, or finding men who are close to her age more physically attractive.
Also take a look at this graph dipicting the fertility of men and women with respect to their age, where you can see that while men remain fertile with marginal reduction until advanced age, there is a very real and biological "wall" for women. And that is not taking into account chances of complications during pregnancy.
Yes there are plenty of female millionairs and few billionairs (most of whome have aquired their fortuntes from inheritence or divorce) and they can hire young men to accompany them. And men can do the same. That is the oldest and truest form of relationships, a clear cut exchange of money for youth and fertility.
I think you have taken my presentation of facts, figures, and logic too personally and are using shaming language to try and compensate, but you are failing.
It's an arbitrary number related to an outdated social expectation. I certainly wanted to be married by 30. But im 28 almost 28.5 and it doesn't seem like it'll happen by then. You have the benefit of not rushing into marriage and choosing a partner (s) that you CAN work with long term.
You can get laid and have kids at whatever age you want... There is so much technology available right now... all these old celebrity women are getting married late and still having babies. Don't listen to those assholes who tell you you are doomed after a certain age...
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not married, not bad. Not in a serious relationship, a little bad dating not so bad single so so
should start dating and checking who is ideal candidate for serious relationship not so much marriage just someone to be with seriously.
30 is still early. make sure you find someone by 33 - 35
after 35 being single is not bad, it's just a little sad...
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I should find somone well before 33 I'm not that picky tbh I will have to do online because I'm moving to a new city and I don't have friends yet
I'm still stuck at my parents tho in a rural town in Scotland. I just came back from Toronto after 2 years abroad. I'm waiting back from this airport job but they have to do security check etc before I start it's taking ages and I'm getting so frustrated at this point
if your a man it means you dodged the bullet. You didn't get so drunk on pussy that you signed up for a life of financial servitude and minimal sex. If you stay single you can life abundantly and retire early if you work hard as well as escaping 75% of adult headaches
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True my dad fucked his life giving away 20k to his ex wife and wasted so many years because he was so low on money paying it to her.
why didn't your dad sign a prenup? did they not exist back then? that sucks. i would never want to give money if i ever got married and then divorced in the future. the hell do we have to give a grown ass adult money for? if there are children involved and the money is for the children's needs, than that is different. but adults can use their lazy ass to make money themselves. did the exwife give your dad any money? she should have.
Generally you have less men to choose from and less demand at 30 because many of the hotter, more successful, socially skilled men go for younger women. Im 35 and my girlfriend is 19. I personally wouldn't dream of dating a 30 yr old seriously, id rather be single. That would feel like a failure to me on a moral level.
Yes, he is going to dump her when she turns 20, unless you arrogantly revoke consent, as he isn't allowed to do anything you SUBJECTIVELY find reprehensible.
@bamesjond0069 so many old geezers want young women, i find it gross. she is barely of legal age, but whatever. you may need viagra soon. hopefully she doesn't have a boyfriend her age that she plans on moving into your mansion in the next decade or two. as for being 30 and single, women can be single mothers by choice, so no need to wait around for a man for any reason. man like you give yourselves far far too much value. i suggest you get off your high horse because there are plenty of women who make plenty of money and could easily score themselves a hotter, younger, sexier man at any age. it is not something that only men benefit from. men are gold diggers too, just like your girlfriend. so an older woman just needs to be successful and she can go on gag and say, men past 30 are all washed up and i only want to date men between 19 and 22. men with this mentality that devalue women past a certain age, even if the woman is still beautiful, fit, and successful, means that you aren't really as high value as you think. as for your girlfriend being 19, i find that rather interesting. she's been 19 for the past 3 years. i always see you on these types of questions bragging about your 19-year-old girlfriend who apparently doesn't age past 19.
That is not good because by age 30 people are set in their ways and are less adaptable. That is even more so for women since they are not as fertile, have less energy and stamina to care for babies, and because their value is much lower than when they were in their late teens and early 20s.
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Oh really I train at the gym 5 times a week? I'm not losing energy at all only the lazy idiots are
women don't need to give a fuck what men think about whether they are "high value" or not considering that more and more women are choosing to be single mothers by choice. i see a future where more and more women will choose to have kids on their own and will ignore "high-value" men such as yourself. i guess all these "high-value" men will need to marry each other. you better start looking for your husband soon
There’s no rule or law that says you have to be married by a certain age. My mother married in her 20’s and was stuck with a horrible abusive man for years before she managed to get away. She’s now in her 40’s and has found her soulmate and re-married. Moral of the story — don’t get married until you’re absolutely certain you want to spend the rest of your life with that person. You don’t have to get married at all.
Not at all. I was engaged at 20 and married at 25. She was 17 when we got engaged and 22 when we got married. Had we been older, I doubt we would have married. But if we did, I think it would have had a better chance to last.
These days anyways, just focus on what you can control which is: diet, fitness, hobbies, the choice of friends you keep, clothes, your outlook on life.
Briefly speaking marriage is about being together life long with the perfect person for you. Age is just a number, what’s mostly important is that your spouse should be the type of person with whom you live in harmony under any circumstances.
I don't know my mind changes all the time, sometimes I want to live like a teenager to old age, which is only a short term relationship that teenagers usually do, which is only about boyfriend or girlfriend, not about husband or wife or fiance.
No. Marriage is not obligatory. You can have just as stable and long of a relationship without it. It's not about a contract with god/gods, it's about commitment.
well here my thought ok im 56 years old most woman i meet who are younger than me want a serious realationbship or marrage or kidsits like time is running out so when im looking to meet a woman i get in that postion all the time so 30 is a middle number i say good luck for the woman looking for a man me il stay single
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It's not a bad thing, but it does become more difficult to find a mate as you get older. I don't mean to sound sexist, but that is especially true for women simply due to the fact that the things men value in a woman are different than the ones women value in a man. The things that make a man valuable in a man tend to increase with age (to a degree) while the things men vale in women tend to decrease with age. There are of course lots of exceptions.
But it is also true that people in general are getting married later in life now.
Not for a man, because he's just nearing his socioeconomic prime, so he's in a better position to negotiate a better deal. Genrally speaking time doesn't favor women as by age 30 a woman is past the age where men (irrespective of age) find women the most attractive (early 20s), on top of that her fertility window is beginning to close.
women don't need men to have children. plenty of single mothers by choice and sperm banks. plenty of women with better paying job than men. women don't need men to find them attractive enough to determine their entire lives, futures and whether they can be mothers. i think some of you fellas value yourselves far too much. as i said to a number of other assholes in this comment section, i see a future where more and more women are going to choose to be single mothers by choice and ignore men, especially those with toxic mentalities. then you "high-value" fellas can marry each other. enjoy. :)
also, 90% of men are average joe shmoes. fat, bald, mediocre face, mediocre personality, and mediocre salary. 5% are extremely hot, and 5% are extremely rich but ugly or mediocre looking. those 10% can have any woman they want. but even money is very easy to lose. one day you are rich, the next you invest in something risky and you are back down to pinching pennies. the "leftover" men will have to gasp, consider women in their 30s and above as being human and having value.
@DianaWest - Between full time working men and women, there is a differene of about $10,000 pa, so men outearn women, might be that will change one day, but no time soon. Most single mothers are on govt. assistance, a govt. where most tax payers are men. The system of govt. assistance and welfare state is exclusive to the west and exists nowhere outside it for vast majority of the world's popuation. And no one cares what you speculate the future to be.
@DianaWest - If most men are average, than what are most women? - They are average also, hitting the wall somewhere near 27-28. And very few men who earn their money lose it because of few risky investments. Someone who has earned money knows how to diversity their porfolio into non volatile assets and minimize their risks.
@Kaamraj i live in Canada sweetie. I don't know what planet or century you're from, but here most women make the same wages as men, if not more. many women in the western world work corporate jobs, are doctors, lawyers, accountants, nurses, professors, etc. a woman who chooses to be single mothers will usually be financially secure. the single mothers you see are on government assistance because they got knocked up by "high value" men who like to get their wieners wet but don't know how to be real men with real adult responsibilities. if a woman chooses to have children on her own, she will make sure she has enough money before doing so. there is a big difference between a wealthy, financially independent and successful woman who CHOOSES to be a single mother and makes plans for this 2 years in advance and a poor 19 year old girl who gets knocked up by accident soon after graduating from high school and still work a minimum wage job. if a woman CHOOSES to be a single mother, it is her CHOICE and she will be prepared for it. that means, no need for government assistance of any kind, and in Canada, tax payers are about 50 50 women and men, so i don't know where you pulled your info from about men making up the largest percent of taxpayers. probably from your ass.
as for women hitting the wall at 27-28, i think you are just a sad bitter lonely man who is sexually frustrated that very few women, even the ones your age or older, will give you any attention. stop aiming so high and look for a woman in your league. men who claim they're so great and hate women are usually extremely mediocre and are just delusional. as for me claiming most men are mediocre, that is true, but that was in response to your claim that men are just these incredible godly, divine flawless beings whose value just keeps growing as he ages while women are like withering flowers. just giving you a reality check. plenty of rich women in the world as well. what makes you think an older woman can't get a hot, young, muscular 20 something man with her money? you think some men aren't gold diggers? they are just as much as some women.
@DianaWest - Your view is quite narrow to the region of the world you live in while vast majoirty of the people in the world live outside your bubble. You live in Canada you say, that is part of the western world. In Canada the difference in average wage for men and women is about $17,000, so most men are outearning women, it's only a tiny fraction of Canadian women who outearn men. That also means that men contribute most of the income taxes towards the Canadian govt.
You are right in that there are plenty of women in the corporate jobs and are professionals that take years of schooling and training, however women are severely under-represented in trades such as plumbers, electricians, soldiers, oil riggers, which offer a decent income after relatively short on the job training. That is one reason why men continue to outearn women, becasue they choose to take those dirty and risky jobs.
About 21% of families with children have single mothers, which is about 5 % for male, so single moters are 4X more than single fathers. About 32% (nearly a third) of single mothers are below poverty and quality for welfare, against 16% of single father led households (2X). So who is claiming the lion's share of state welfare, if for every 1 single father 8, single mothers are eligible?
Secondly, from what I can read abortion at all stages of pregnancy is legal and publically funded so if a woman has a child, it means she chose to have it, getting pregnant and having the child takes two, but only one, the woman has unilateral control of what happens after ejaculation.
I got all my information and data from official reports and the statistical buraru of your country.
@DianaWest - Addressing your statement about women hitting the wall at 27-28, actually it happens must earlier.
www.businessinsider.in/.../44893016.cms
Kindly look at this report here where they have surveyed men and women, and it's quite evident that as per men (irrespective of age) women in their early 20s are most attractive, whereas women's preference is much more linear, or finding men who are close to her age more physically attractive.
www.britishfertilitysociety.org.uk/.../
Also take a look at this graph dipicting the fertility of men and women with respect to their age, where you can see that while men remain fertile with marginal reduction until advanced age, there is a very real and biological "wall" for women. And that is not taking into account chances of complications during pregnancy.
Yes there are plenty of female millionairs and few billionairs (most of whome have aquired their fortuntes from inheritence or divorce) and they can hire young men to accompany them. And men can do the same. That is the oldest and truest form of relationships, a clear cut exchange of money for youth and fertility.
I think you have taken my presentation of facts, figures, and logic too personally and are using shaming language to try and compensate, but you are failing.
@DianaWest you’re amazing lady. Best things I’ve read all day. Ignore these men.
It's an arbitrary number related to an outdated social expectation. I certainly wanted to be married by 30. But im 28 almost 28.5 and it doesn't seem like it'll happen by then. You have the benefit of not rushing into marriage and choosing a partner (s) that you CAN work with long term.
You can get laid and have kids at whatever age you want... There is so much technology available right now... all these old celebrity women are getting married late and still having babies. Don't listen to those assholes who tell you you are doomed after a certain age...
not married, not bad. Not in a serious relationship, a little bad
dating not so bad
single so so
should start dating and checking who is ideal candidate for serious relationship not so much marriage just someone to be with seriously.
30 is still early.
make sure you find someone by 33 - 35
after 35 being single is not bad, it's just a little sad...
I should find somone well before 33 I'm not that picky tbh I will have to do online because I'm moving to a new city and I don't have friends yet
I hope you find someone that loves you:)!
I'm still stuck at my parents tho in a rural town in Scotland. I just came back from Toronto after 2 years abroad. I'm waiting back from this airport job but they have to do security check etc before I start it's taking ages and I'm getting so frustrated at this point
if your a man it means you dodged the bullet. You didn't get so drunk on pussy that you signed up for a life of financial servitude and minimal sex. If you stay single you can life abundantly and retire early if you work hard as well as escaping 75% of adult headaches
True my dad fucked his life giving away 20k to his ex wife and wasted so many years because he was so low on money paying it to her.
why didn't your dad sign a prenup? did they not exist back then? that sucks. i would never want to give money if i ever got married and then divorced in the future. the hell do we have to give a grown ass adult money for? if there are children involved and the money is for the children's needs, than that is different. but adults can use their lazy ass to make money themselves. did the exwife give your dad any money? she should have.
@DianaWest no she never. Me and my brother stayed with kids
Stayed with my dad** so she should really
Generally you have less men to choose from and less demand at 30 because many of the hotter, more successful, socially skilled men go for younger women. Im 35 and my girlfriend is 19. I personally wouldn't dream of dating a 30 yr old seriously, id rather be single. That would feel like a failure to me on a moral level.
When she turns 20 are you going to dump her
Oh you're this same "person" following me around on here repeating yourself over and over. Smh.
I've seen answers of your plastered everywhere about that shit you wrote 🤣🤣 hypocrite much no?
No matter what i say or the topic of the post you just say the same thing. Clearly youve been hurt and have an obsession over this. I suggest therapy.
Well no just keep getting bombarded now that I'm back in the uk with my friends why I'm single. When I lived I'm Canada I was so much happier
Yes, he is going to dump her when she turns 20, unless you arrogantly revoke consent, as he isn't allowed to do anything you SUBJECTIVELY find reprehensible.
@bamesjond0069 so many old geezers want young women, i find it gross. she is barely of legal age, but whatever. you may need viagra soon. hopefully she doesn't have a boyfriend her age that she plans on moving into your mansion in the next decade or two. as for being 30 and single, women can be single mothers by choice, so no need to wait around for a man for any reason. man like you give yourselves far far too much value. i suggest you get off your high horse because there are plenty of women who make plenty of money and could easily score themselves a hotter, younger, sexier man at any age. it is not something that only men benefit from. men are gold diggers too, just like your girlfriend. so an older woman just needs to be successful and she can go on gag and say, men past 30 are all washed up and i only want to date men between 19 and 22. men with this mentality that devalue women past a certain age, even if the woman is still beautiful, fit, and successful, means that you aren't really as high value as you think. as for your girlfriend being 19, i find that rather interesting. she's been 19 for the past 3 years. i always see you on these types of questions bragging about your 19-year-old girlfriend who apparently doesn't age past 19.
That is not good because by age 30 people are set in their ways and are less adaptable. That is even more so for women since they are not as fertile, have less energy and stamina to care for babies, and because their value is much lower than when they were in their late teens and early 20s.
Oh really I train at the gym 5 times a week? I'm not losing energy at all only the lazy idiots are
You may be an exception but typically a woman age 30 cannot keep up with a girl in her teens or early 20s.
I agree in average not a lot of them. But I've down track and field all in my teens and kept up fitness all through my life
Done**
women don't need to give a fuck what men think about whether they are "high value" or not considering that more and more women are choosing to be single mothers by choice. i see a future where more and more women will choose to have kids on their own and will ignore "high-value" men such as yourself. i guess all these "high-value" men will need to marry each other. you better start looking for your husband soon
@DianaWest That may happen; at least in the short run of one or two generations.
There’s no rule or law that says you have to be married by a certain age. My mother married in her 20’s and was stuck with a horrible abusive man for years before she managed to get away. She’s now in her 40’s and has found her soulmate and re-married. Moral of the story — don’t get married until you’re absolutely certain you want to spend the rest of your life with that person. You don’t have to get married at all.
Not at all. I was engaged at 20 and married at 25. She was 17 when we got engaged and 22 when we got married. Had we been older, I doubt we would have married. But if we did, I think it would have had a better chance to last.
Are you not together?
Not at all. You are wiser though. All fun things happen in your 30’s. Stable job, savings and stuff. And the right person will just come along.
No I would say its actually quite normal.
These days anyways, just focus on what you can control which is: diet, fitness, hobbies, the choice of friends you keep, clothes, your outlook on life.
This kind of things...
Briefly speaking marriage is about being together life long with the perfect person for you. Age is just a number, what’s mostly important is that your spouse should be the type of person with whom you live in harmony under any circumstances.
I don't know my mind changes all the time, sometimes I want to live like a teenager to old age, which is only a short term relationship that teenagers usually do, which is only about boyfriend or girlfriend, not about husband or wife or fiance.
Nah, age is just a number, get married or live with a partner the choice is yours, never feel pressured to get married..
Personally, I don't care for marriage. It's what you make of it. I never plan to have kids, and marriage, I can live with it either way.
Same lol, , will live life, like teenagers to old people🔥🔥
which is only a short term relationship that teenagers usually do, which is only about boyfriend or girlfriend, not about husband or wife or fiance.
Depends on you, if you wanted to be by now and aren't then its bad in your eyes.
No. Marriage is not obligatory.
You can have just as stable and long of a relationship without it.
It's not about a contract with god/gods, it's about commitment.
well here my thought ok im 56 years old most woman i meet who are younger than me want a serious realationbship or marrage or kidsits like time is running out so when im looking to meet a woman i get in that postion all the time so 30 is a middle number i say good luck for the woman looking for a man me il stay single
Well, I live in Los Angeles and most women have kids here in their late 30’s and get married then too, so it’s normal