+1 yBy 30 women find themselves in a precarious position. Often the high value males you want for your mate will have fun with you and use you for sex/short term relationship (at best 5 years) but ultimately will opt to settle down for a girl in her 20's when they want to get married/actual commit. Some of these high value men may marry you but you have to be exceptional yourself for that to happen.
For the men who have been overlooked in their 20's and gotten little to no date dates, many of them will be inexperience with sex and relationship and you might find them unsatisfactory; though on plus side they are more willing to commit to you and be faithful. Some of these leftover men though may have a chip on their shoulder of only being given attention by women once they beauty/attractiveness in the dating game is waning and opt to do the same thing as high status males when it comes to sex and relationship.
By 40 and 50's years old, a woman often will have to start even compromising more and consider dating men who are divorced and/or have kids from other women.24 Reply- +1 y
[Lol at asker disagreeing with everyone that doesn't tell her the truth she wants]
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No not at all.
By then you are more settled, usually have a career so you know what you want and won't settle for less.
It seems that many people that get married at a young age end up divorced in a couple of years, many with children.
I got married at 21 and had no clue, and divorced in less than a year, no kids.
Don't be in a rush, go out see the world, do things that you will have trouble doing when you are married with children.14 Reply
Asker+1 yIm from Scotland and I've already gone out and seen the world lived in Canada for 2 years, travelled during my on university summer break all around North America solo got to see hawaii and alaska. Travelled back and forth visiting my uncle in pennslyvannia had some great some summers and got see a lot of Europe.
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lol op most helpful guy gave the most blue pill and inaccurate answer you can get when it comes to how things play out.
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@Lookingforthetruth lol, so many women are single mothers by choice and don't need a man to raise their children. but it's great that you are "high value." congratulations.
Anonymous(25-29)+1 ySo according to gag incels we should not be shallow. The commentsection makes me sick. We should only choose men with great personality and dont care whether they are manlet, broke, fugly, fat etc or not but they are entitled to date young, pretty, skinny virgin women? If you want women to not be shallow, then dont be shallow yourself. Plus there are more tall men than young women. Dont explain your bs with biology. If biology or your nature makes you want fertile young virgin pretty woman, so makes us our 'nature' want tall, wealthy aka strong men by this retarded logic. So if women over 30s are leftovers, so are short, fat, broke, ugly men by the same retarded logic of these gag incels.
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Opinion Owner+1 yI have no problem with dating fat, ugly, short etc men aka 'leftover' men even though i am 'high quality' woman according to these people due to my youth, skinny body, fertility, virginity and beauty. I just can't understand why people degrade people with phrases like leftovers- i had to use it to show an example. Let people date/marry whoever they want without degrading them etc
Opinion Owner+1 yI am again ageism towards women, bodyshaming short men, shaming men/womrn for being fat/broke etc. Before you misunderstand me i want to mention this
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@Anonymous "You can't have your cake, eat it too"
Actually we can. Women can't though. Once she is passed 30 she is of no value. Hell even at 25 her value is decreasing.
Interesting how a lot of "women" use incel as an attempt at insulting men that choose not to be with women. That's right. We choose. Not you. A man can choose any woman. We just have to dangle false hope in front of them. Women cannot dangle themselves at us once they are 30+
Opinion Owner+1 yMany people agree with me. idont call any man incel for not prefering a woman. Stop making accusations. I am just critizising a certain behaviour by some guys
Opinion Owner+1 yAm i not allowed to tell my opinion now?
Opinion Owner+1 yWithout getting accusations
Opinion Owner+1 yAm i not allowed to tell my opinion now without getting accused of something?
Opinion Owner+1 yActually according to statistics women prefere men who are similarly aged or few years older. So if already women over 25 are 'leftovers' for you, you will struggle to find a young woman since young women prefere young men. So you are wrong
Opinion Owner+1 yYou only can get young but a golddigger with your money if you have it and if you are too old for a young woman. In my opinion this is not wort it but each their own
Opinion Owner+1 yI actually like many gag guys. I am only talking about a specific group of gag guys aka about some guys. I did not mean to generalize any men. So i am sorry if you feel generalized.
Opinion Owner+1 y"I actually like many gag guys. I am only talking about a specific group of gag guys aka about some guys. I did not mean to generalize any men. So i am sorry if you feel generalized." - this post is for guys who are not one of this specific group of gag guys (/gag incels)
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Lol, how can you ask a question and then get mad because someone gives you an answer? I think @Lookingforthetruth is making a valid point. Around 30 you're in a tough spot because the disney fairytale has worn off and women are forced to make realistic choices. I dont agree that all high value men will skip past you to younger woman. As long as you dont have kids you can still attract a high value man your chances are just less. I dont think he's saying guys are entitled as men have to earn their value so they earn the women they get. Also I think you're incorrect because there are much more young women than "tall" tall is subjective whereas he's already given his definition of young women 21-25 there's an infinite amount of them w/ more turning 21 everyday.
Opinion Owner+1 yLol. Infinite amount of them turn 21, but the number of them is same or lower since infinite of people get older too and young population in western is increasing. I am not saying that women over 35 have the same dating oppurtinities as 20 years old women. But certain boys on this site think they are all high value men and all young women want them
Opinion Owner+1 yAveregae height for Men my age is 6'0 where i live. I dont even live in netherlands. People ignore to mention the age of men when mentioning men's average height. Todays men are way tall then older generations. Men my age are taller than our dads
Opinion Owner+1 y@Vegasrunner insulting someone as leftovers is not answer.
Opinion Owner+1 yI am just done how some of you act young women are desperate for old men aka live in a bubble in which young pretty women will love any man even if he is fat, old, ugly etc. If leftover women is a thing, so have to be leftovers men, otherwise it does not make sense. Since half of the population is men and only 10-20% of FEMALE population is 18-25. If men only want women under 25, you all will be single. It is simple math
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@YesIWouldLikeFries women don't need men to be mothers sweetie pie. the most important thing in a woman's life for the majority of women is to have children. most of us have great paying jobs, sometimes more so than a lot of men. we don't need to wait around for self-proclaimed "high-value" men who call women over 30 leftovers to come in and save us. continue to be a delusional asshole who devalues women, because i can already see a future where more and more women will choose to be single mothers by choice and men like you can just marry each other and other "high-value" men. lol, you're 37 and probably still single. you better start searching for your husband soon.
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@Vegasrunner sit down old geezer.
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@Vegasrunner why does a woman need a "high-value" man if she already has kids? she already has 3 babies to raise, she doesn't need a man child as well. why do men act as if children are a burden? let me tell you honey something, most women care far more for children than they do for "high-value" men.
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@DianaWest I don't care what "women" want or need. That's irrelevant.
As for being single you're assuming I don't like it. But I do. No one to annoy me. Why would I want some dumb bitch wasting my time and resources?
Also I'm not 37. I'm older. You failed the most basic test. Don't believe everything you read on the internet 😂🤣😂🤣
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With each generation people get taller.
Opinion Owner+1 yYoung population is decreasing *******
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Huh? Basic Math the pool of new 21 year olds is replenished every day which is the point. Sounds like you're to concerned w/ men having confidence to actually look at thos logically. Every man should see themselves as high value. Do you not see yourself as a high value female?
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I dont believe he's "insulting" anyone he's giving you a mans perspective of how we view certain women. You just dont like it so you're trying to discredit his opinion. Reality is women of that age are considered leftovers by some men.
Opinion Owner+1 yCalling yourself high value or the best is narcissistic or very unattractive and unsympathetic character trait. And again calling the asker a leftover ain't an opinion and can be reported to the mods/ admins. The asker should mention the mods to report them
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You're making the mistake of assuming men think like women. I like in Vegas and I can tell you as a point of reference it's common everyday to see 20 yr old women w/ older men. Women dont like to hear this fir two reasons
1. Women dont like competing so is older men can get younger women where does that leave single 30+ women.
2. Women dont like admitting that they are superficial. Most young women are w/ older men because of their money and women dont like to admit that because it challenges the Disney fairytale they've been taught.
Opinion Owner+1 y"Huh? Basic Math the pool of new 21 year olds is replenished every day which is the point. Sounds like you're to concerned w/ men having confidence to actually look at thos logically. Every man should see themselves as high value. Do you not see yourself as a high value female?" What i mean is the number of them tend remain same, although young western population is decreasing due to low birthrate. Plus women prefere similarly aged or few years older men according to statistics.
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@DianaWest That's exactly why no one wants them.
Opinion Owner+1 y"You're making the mistake of assuming men think like women. I like in Vegas and I can tell you as a point of reference it's common everyday to see 20 yr old women w/ older men. Women dont like to hear this fir two reasons
1. Women dont like competing so is older men can get younger women where does that leave single 30+ women. " -
average women prefere similarly aged/few years older men ACCORDING TO STATISTICS. Your experience means snothing. It is just anecdotal.
"Women dont like admitting that they are superficial. Most young women are w/ older men because of their money and women dont like to admit that because it challenges the Disney fairytale they've been taught."- you think it is accomplishment to get women with money? This is actually sad. A woman can do that too. plus these women probably tend cheat on them with their sugar daddy's money with hot younger male models lol which my experience prove
Opinion Owner+1 yI dont care what men prefere but they should not complain gold diggers
Opinion Owner+1 yIf they attract young women with monex
Opinion Owner+1 yI just question the delusional mentality of these guys. They seriously say only women can be a leftover, which does not make sense. If there is a leftover woman, there have to be leftovers men too. Simple math. Young women are only the 10%-25% of female population. So only 10% -25% of men can date them except they are ok with sharing their potential partner which i doubt. As a result 75%-90% of men are leftovers according to this logic. I really dont care about it and do what you want with this information
Opinion Owner+1 yI also dont judge anyone. Men and women can date who they want. You are misunderstandind me. I dont really care who men want to date. This is not the point of my posts
+1 yNo, age doesn't really take play in marriage. Never seen marriage as that important, its only in the last few months have i really thought about it, the meaning of it to me has changed too, used to believe it was a piece of paper, people spend far to much money. But recently realised its deeper then that, money is the objective of marriage its about sealing that love and commitment to a balanced life.
Being over 30 I do have the dwelling fear of never starting a family, having rumination thoughts for a few years. Suppose the family side plays an age part, but not marriage.45 Reply- +1 y
@harleigh90 "sealing that love and commitment".
You don't need to be married to do that. You don't even need money. You don't need any of this modern bullshit in actual fact.
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YesIWouldLikeFries Basically what I said. Always believed marriage is just a piece of paper, never said I'm rushing off to get married because it's the definition of love and commitment. Just stated as I've got older iv shifted my view on it.
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@Harleigh90 I think you meant to say "money ISN'T"?
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@Jamie05rhs Yes I ment isn't 🤦♀️ Stupid fat fingers 🙄
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@Harleigh90 No worries! Haha. Just making sure!
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u +1 yIt is better to be 30 and never married than to be 30 and divorced. Not everyone is ready for marriage when they are young and comparing yourself to other people is counterproductive; you can’t force yourself to be just like everyone else. When you are ready for marriage, you will find someone and it will happen.
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+1 yNo. One of the happiest marriages I know is between two people, one of which was 32 and the other which was a little older (not sure by exactly how much) when they first married. I know several also who have remarried in their 40's, 50's, and even 60's who are very happy. Life is not a race and there is no set age you need to accomplish certain milestones by.
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+1 yDepends on the person’s vision of their future.
By society’s traditional standards? Yes, worse for women than men.
People have to remember modern society isn’t the same as It used to be were the man worked and the woman stayed home to tend to the kids and the home. Today? In order to have that, the salary of the man would have to be high to sustain a home happily.
Men and Women are now going off to college, having jobs , careers; so how the hell you graduate college at 22, work and grind your way to the top of your job or career and find a decent partner to be married within 8 years? Shiiit some people can do it but it’s easier said than done.
People are now realizing dating isn’t easy , finding a good man / woman that fits your plans for the future is challenging, maintaining a happy and healthy relationship/ marriage is hard work. Now add all that plus trying to bust your ass in grad school/ careers/ jobs too. You are not always gonna hit the target goal and that’s perfectly fine.
People deserve to be accomplished in their goals and life paths before making a big decision like that.00 ReplyGirls never said to me, "of you're shy, a nice guy, let me give you a attention, and a chance because, logically, you deserve one"... I had to deal with the unpleasant harsh truths of reality. Women growing old, and beyond their desirability, as I meet far more interested in casual sex in their 20s, than obsessed with developing morals, virtues, and character to be the ideal wife & planning for their future post-ageing, but instead taking advantage of genetic handouts in favor of short-term gratification, thus building their own future reality, making their lack of desirability once they have little left to offer their creation, not a victimization by fate...
It's your responsibility to forego hedonistic pleasures & develop yourself if you want to be desirable in the future... I disciplined my eating because I never had a "young" metabolism, can many I went to school with complain when they grow fat, and are unable to manage their weight, because they took a free ride, rather than develop skills to control their destiny? My results are my responsibility.01 Reply
Asker+1 yWell my case I just didn't bother with relationships. I'm already good shape as I've grown up with fitness all my life
Anonymous(25-29)+1 y***before i make my comment, i just wanna state that i believe there are still great men out there who are wonderful humans. i don't generalize people, which is why i am going to say that ****SOME men are shitty, not all. women aren't perfect either, but in today's superficial fucked up world, finding a good person who truly loves you and will always be faithful to you and by your side is like winning the lottery.
it depends on your own personal goals. as a woman, bio clock is real but you could choose to be a single mother by choice if you have a good support network and are financially stable. you don't need to wait around for a man to determine your life, future, and whether you can be a mother. lots of children grow up perfectly healthy and happy in a single parent home. of course, that may not be ideal, but it is preferable to waiting till 40 to find "the one" and never having children. at least for me, since having children is one of the most important things for me. if i am not married by 31, i'll probably go to a sperm bank. if a good man comes along, great, if not, i don't care. i have a high paying job and can fully support my future babies. the good quality men these days are dwindling rapidly, even though many of them like to believe they are "high value," lol. better to be a single mother than to get with a man who is more work and more stress than a baby.
usually when a man has to go around telling the world he is "high value," he either has a tiny pickle, a lackluster personality, a bad job, or all of the above. if some men continue to be assholes (just take a look at some of their comments below), we may have a future where more and more women will choose to be single mothers by choice and those men can just marry each other because they are so "high value".00 Reply
+1 yMarriage isn't a big deal for me. Mind you, I have an ex-husband, but I never believed in marriage, only getting married to him because of legal, immigration reasons. We were together for 6 years before we got married, were married a year, separated for another & finally divorced.
I was happy just being together, in our civil union, but we tied the knot & then it fell apart.
I have several theories as to why we fell apart, mostly cultural reasons on his part that he didn't like that I wouldn't conform to.
But marriage should NOT be an end goal, live your life in the moment & enjoy what you have today, as tomorrow isn't promised.10 ReplyI got married when I was 27 and I think I should have waited bc I didn't know my now husband completely. I was in a rush bc I had gotten pregnant, which turned into a miscarriage, yet we still had major good sex. Whatever you do, make sure he's not much older than you bc men lose their libido after 40, unless udc about that.
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Asker+1 yThanks dear for the insight. Yes sometimes in life its difficult to know what you really want and if it's the right thing to fo.
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Yes and now I am considering a divorce, but after being together for almost 11 years totally, I am just accustomed to this lifestyle. I am afraid of starting over since I am getting up there in age 😄 .. but if you are not truly happy, it will not work. Some women think $$ matters. No way. You have to be happy.
Asker+1 yAbsolutely 100. I'm really sorry you aren't fully happy in the marriage
+1 yI belong to a more traditional culture and nowadays most women are getting married in their late 20's / early 30's compared to my mom's generation which was late teens / early 20's. Most women are getting an education, traveling, making sure thet have a steady job before they settle down. Some even make sure to have saved up some money so they can buy a home together with their partners. And everyone is having kids. So no, I don't think it's bad. All the divorced people I know, or the ones stuck in bad marriages got married before 25.
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+1 yThere are worse fates. Try having a genetic predisposition of being extremely hernia-prone, and trying to find a job you qualify for that isn't going to doom you to a life of endless surgeries. Add in a life of constant disruption and freak accidents. Throw on top your truest loves dying or being ripped away. Losing almost everything to the current crop of political insanity going on, having to start over with a broken body and mind, and try to find a date that wants anything to do with you, knowing that you have a black cat stalking your life path.
Then, try weeding out the gold diggers. Some are so shameless and bottom-feeding, they'll hover over you like a vulture, to pick away at whatever goods they can hope to snatch, not even waiting for you to be dead first.10 ReplyDamn there're a lot of idiots in this comment section 🙄
I'd say no it's not bad necessarily however that's kinda dependent on what you're looking for out of a marriage.
If it's a life partner then any age is fine.
If you're looking to start a family I'd suggest starting a couple years sooner to account for finding the right one, engagement time, etc
Guys in their 30s likely have a kid from a previous relationship so that's something to think on as well
Not trying trying to be a downer just keep in mind that the older people get the more baggage they tend to pick up. Just be prepared is all. I don't think of anyone as leftover or whatever people were saying, and I don't really agree with putting value on people like they're cattle
I had my comment thought out in a more articulate way but the comments were pretty disgusting and threw me off my train of thought14 Reply
Asker+1 yI'm probably a bit late for starting a family if I'm turning 30 in August. By the time I find someone ot could be too late
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@DianaWest You're right, women absolutely can. This is the info I had in mind though "A woman in her early to mid-20s has a 25–30% chance of getting pregnant every month. Fertility generally starts to reduce when a woman is in her early 30s, and more so after the age of 35. By age 40, the chance of getting pregnant in any monthly cycle is around 5%." From betterhealth. org
So yes there are some years left but I wouldn't say good necessarily. More like it's time to really get on it (inappropriate pun unintended)
I can't say myself. I'll probably lurk this topic.
I turned 30 recently and it's super freaky to do so while single. I feel like everyone got snatched up and married in their 20's like some party I wasn't invited to.
After college, I just put more emphasis on putting my life together which had me focusing more inward on building up my career and home, and not outward on building a new circle of friends and meeting new people. So my home life is doing pretty damned well, but my social life has taken a hit.00 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yNo, but realistically your options will be more limited the older you get. Also if you want children you, being pregnant after age 35 makes certain complications more likely, including premature birth, birth defects and getting pregnant with multiples. If you're older than 35, you may want to have prenatal screening tests to see if your baby is at risk for certain birth defects. You can have a healthy baby after 35, It is just more likely for an older mother to have these problems than it is for a younger mother. You can also always freeze your eggs.
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Asker+1 yI'm 29 at the moment I really need to get going with ir
Opinion Owner+1 yDon’t worry! You are not old, and most people are getting married later in life. Don’t rush into marriage either. You are just fine! ❤️
Asker+1 yI know but I'm still single tho
Opinion Owner+1 yYou will find the right man eventually 😊
+1 yWell it’s a weird thing to be honest for example in history wayyyy back in the day it was legal for 14 year olds to be married. Not joking. Back in the 1950s people were marrying around 23s to and up. However society has really changed that perspective on marriage. People are marrying later now. I think it’s a mix of a lot of things. Society, influencing, political, internet, technology, gossip, movements… many of these things will change a persons perspective on anything. And with an increase of people being more involved with the internet and with themselves trying to be seen by the world. The last thing that someone wants is marriage. You know how many women I’ve tried to talk to and all they want to do is just travel everywhere? I’m like well I’m looking to settle down. But they want to go everywhere and do everything and believe it or not having kids isn’t something they want either. I’ll be 30 this year and never married. I’m not losing hope though
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+1 yI hope not, as I got married at 35. Currently married for 15 years with 2 kids. It works great as a relationship as I knew I was a man in every sense. No playing. In the relationship for specific reasons. Companionship and to have children.
We don't argue and have a very relaxed atmosphere in the house. At our ages, we have nothing to prove to anyone.14 Reply
Asker+1 yHow old was she when she got married? I mean I have ticked all the boxes like getting a degree, travelled and career but still don't have a boyfriend because I didn't prioritise for it
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She was 28. She worked for Proctor and Gamble as a sales agent. Degree in business. She had plenty of guys interested in her, but she never felt comfotable with them as most of the guys she dated were very controlling. I am the opposite. Maybe thats why we work together.
Asker+1 yThat's awesome I did a degree I business aswell but I'm doing a marketing job. Yeah I can relate I have slot of guys interested in me aswell but half of are idiots. When I move to my city I will start again with the dating.
Asker+1 yI'm 29 and single tho so I'm quite worried if I'll ever find anyone but I look like a 22 year still
+1 yNo that isn’t bad. How could this be bad? Society wants us to believe that not being wed and having kids by 30 is a crime! So dumb, don’t you think? It might be calming or you may find life starts with marriage and children, but that doesn’t guarantee stability always. Certainly freedom can be dangerous and being single for awhile might lead to lonely nights, sadness and social anxiety… but it can also mean you are secure with yourself, you put yourself first, you don’t need to worry about much really, you basically are living the life! Being intelligent in my honest humble opinion. Because let’s face it who wants to be tied down forever like that? It’s really stupid if you think about it!!
10 ReplyIt's neither. I don't advise marriage for a male until he is at least 30 and for a female to at least get finished with getting her education. It's been my experience after watching many couples that the relationships that last are the ones where both were a bit older and had some experiences in life. This does not mean that marriage as teens or early 20somethings is bad, I mean they implode easier. The one danger with being a 30-something is watch out for that "first" love! The biggest majority of the time, if that first love subsequently to the marriage becomes available, that marriage is in serious trouble!
00 ReplyIf you want to get married then for women it's best to do it before 30 and for men before 35 to give both of you at least 5 years to have children with relatively low risk.
It's not the end of the world though and some people stay together but never marry. Definitely don't give up on it if it's something that you want, you still have time. You should definitely look into building a serious relationship with someone though.21 ReplyIn a word NO , its smart , if I had my time over there is simply NO WAY I would be 30 and married , my daughter is 31 and not married , Im happy for her , my other daughter is 28 , and there is also absolutely no way she will be married at 30 .
Never , ever set an age limit ( thats what I did , I set one ) worst decision I ever made and the most stressful years of my life , thank god I dont have to worry about that now.
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Asker+1 yI know but I should start looking for a boyfriend now
+1 yYou get married once you find someone you feel you can spend the rest of your life with. That one person that you feel you can’t be without, that lights a fire in your belly so bright you need them in your life or it just wouldn’t be the same.
You don’t marry someone because time is running out, you’ve reached a certain age, because you feel pressure, that it’s expected, etc.
Do you! Don’t do anything but you! There is no expectations! It is after all a lifetime commitment!10 Reply
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yBeing older I feel like I can look back and make some observations. First of all it's only bad if you really want to be married. Since guys aren't as focused on marriage in their youth as women I'd say a woman has just as good of chance as getting married at 30 as 18. The question is how does she approach it. Most 18 year old women tend to be cleaner slates then 30 year old women. Generally as a women ages she becomes less bondible with guys because with every failed relationship she grows more bitter.
I guess what I'm saying is women sabotage themselves in this dept.
Conversely I advise guys that if they haven't been married by 25. Don't rush it! The best partners are generally married off by 25. I'm not saying there aren't any good women over 25. But I guy should take all the time in the world vetting her. Because as we all know choosing the wrong wife could ruin his life.00 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yIt's not a bad thing, but it does become more difficult to find a mate as you get older. I don't mean to sound sexist, but that is especially true for women simply due to the fact that the things men value in a woman are different than the ones women value in a man. The things that make a man valuable in a man tend to increase with age (to a degree) while the things men vale in women tend to decrease with age. There are of course lots of exceptions.
But it is also true that people in general are getting married later in life now.00 ReplyNot for a man, because he's just nearing his socioeconomic prime, so he's in a better position to negotiate a better deal. Genrally speaking time doesn't favor women as by age 30 a woman is past the age where men (irrespective of age) find women the most attractive (early 20s), on top of that her fertility window is beginning to close.
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women don't need men to have children. plenty of single mothers by choice and sperm banks. plenty of women with better paying job than men. women don't need men to find them attractive enough to determine their entire lives, futures and whether they can be mothers. i think some of you fellas value yourselves far too much. as i said to a number of other assholes in this comment section, i see a future where more and more women are going to choose to be single mothers by choice and ignore men, especially those with toxic mentalities. then you "high-value" fellas can marry each other. enjoy. :)
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also, 90% of men are average joe shmoes. fat, bald, mediocre face, mediocre personality, and mediocre salary. 5% are extremely hot, and 5% are extremely rich but ugly or mediocre looking. those 10% can have any woman they want. but even money is very easy to lose. one day you are rich, the next you invest in something risky and you are back down to pinching pennies. the "leftover" men will have to gasp, consider women in their 30s and above as being human and having value.
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@DianaWest - Between full time working men and women, there is a differene of about $10,000 pa, so men outearn women, might be that will change one day, but no time soon. Most single mothers are on govt. assistance, a govt. where most tax payers are men. The system of govt. assistance and welfare state is exclusive to the west and exists nowhere outside it for vast majority of the world's popuation. And no one cares what you speculate the future to be.
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@DianaWest - If most men are average, than what are most women? - They are average also, hitting the wall somewhere near 27-28. And very few men who earn their money lose it because of few risky investments. Someone who has earned money knows how to diversity their porfolio into non volatile assets and minimize their risks.
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@Kaamraj i live in Canada sweetie. I don't know what planet or century you're from, but here most women make the same wages as men, if not more. many women in the western world work corporate jobs, are doctors, lawyers, accountants, nurses, professors, etc. a woman who chooses to be single mothers will usually be financially secure. the single mothers you see are on government assistance because they got knocked up by "high value" men who like to get their wieners wet but don't know how to be real men with real adult responsibilities. if a woman chooses to have children on her own, she will make sure she has enough money before doing so. there is a big difference between a wealthy, financially independent and successful woman who CHOOSES to be a single mother and makes plans for this 2 years in advance and a poor 19 year old girl who gets knocked up by accident soon after graduating from high school and still work a minimum wage job. if a woman CHOOSES to be a single mother, it is her CHOICE and she will be prepared for it. that means, no need for government assistance of any kind, and in Canada, tax payers are about 50 50 women and men, so i don't know where you pulled your info from about men making up the largest percent of taxpayers. probably from your ass.
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as for women hitting the wall at 27-28, i think you are just a sad bitter lonely man who is sexually frustrated that very few women, even the ones your age or older, will give you any attention. stop aiming so high and look for a woman in your league. men who claim they're so great and hate women are usually extremely mediocre and are just delusional. as for me claiming most men are mediocre, that is true, but that was in response to your claim that men are just these incredible godly, divine flawless beings whose value just keeps growing as he ages while women are like withering flowers. just giving you a reality check. plenty of rich women in the world as well. what makes you think an older woman can't get a hot, young, muscular 20 something man with her money? you think some men aren't gold diggers? they are just as much as some women.
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@DianaWest - Your view is quite narrow to the region of the world you live in while vast majoirty of the people in the world live outside your bubble. You live in Canada you say, that is part of the western world. In Canada the difference in average wage for men and women is about $17,000, so most men are outearning women, it's only a tiny fraction of Canadian women who outearn men. That also means that men contribute most of the income taxes towards the Canadian govt.
You are right in that there are plenty of women in the corporate jobs and are professionals that take years of schooling and training, however women are severely under-represented in trades such as plumbers, electricians, soldiers, oil riggers, which offer a decent income after relatively short on the job training. That is one reason why men continue to outearn women, becasue they choose to take those dirty and risky jobs.
About 21% of families with children have single mothers, which is about 5 % for male, so single moters are 4X more than single fathers. About 32% (nearly a third) of single mothers are below poverty and quality for welfare, against 16% of single father led households (2X). So who is claiming the lion's share of state welfare, if for every 1 single father 8, single mothers are eligible?
Secondly, from what I can read abortion at all stages of pregnancy is legal and publically funded so if a woman has a child, it means she chose to have it, getting pregnant and having the child takes two, but only one, the woman has unilateral control of what happens after ejaculation.
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@DianaWest - Addressing your statement about women hitting the wall at 27-28, actually it happens must earlier.
www.businessinsider.in/.../44893016.cms
Kindly look at this report here where they have surveyed men and women, and it's quite evident that as per men (irrespective of age) women in their early 20s are most attractive, whereas women's preference is much more linear, or finding men who are close to her age more physically attractive.
www.britishfertilitysociety.org.uk/.../
Also take a look at this graph dipicting the fertility of men and women with respect to their age, where you can see that while men remain fertile with marginal reduction until advanced age, there is a very real and biological "wall" for women. And that is not taking into account chances of complications during pregnancy.
Yes there are plenty of female millionairs and few billionairs (most of whome have aquired their fortuntes from inheritence or divorce) and they can hire young men to accompany them. And men can do the same. That is the oldest and truest form of relationships, a clear cut exchange of money for youth and fertility.
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@DianaWest you’re amazing lady. Best things I’ve read all day. Ignore these men.
+1 yIt's an arbitrary number related to an outdated social expectation. I certainly wanted to be married by 30. But im 28 almost 28.5 and it doesn't seem like it'll happen by then. You have the benefit of not rushing into marriage and choosing a partner (s) that you CAN work with long term.
10 ReplyYou can get laid and have kids at whatever age you want... There is so much technology available right now... all these old celebrity women are getting married late and still having babies. Don't listen to those assholes who tell you you are doomed after a certain age...
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 ynot married, not bad. Not in a serious relationship, a little bad
dating not so bad
single so so
should start dating and checking who is ideal candidate for serious relationship not so much marriage just someone to be with seriously.
30 is still early.
make sure you find someone by 33 - 35
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Asker+1 yI should find somone well before 33 I'm not that picky tbh I will have to do online because I'm moving to a new city and I don't have friends yet
Opinion Owner+1 yI hope you find someone that loves you:)!
Asker+1 yI'm still stuck at my parents tho in a rural town in Scotland. I just came back from Toronto after 2 years abroad. I'm waiting back from this airport job but they have to do security check etc before I start it's taking ages and I'm getting so frustrated at this point
if your a man it means you dodged the bullet. You didn't get so drunk on pussy that you signed up for a life of financial servitude and minimal sex. If you stay single you can life abundantly and retire early if you work hard as well as escaping 75% of adult headaches
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Asker+1 yTrue my dad fucked his life giving away 20k to his ex wife and wasted so many years because he was so low on money paying it to her.
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why didn't your dad sign a prenup? did they not exist back then? that sucks. i would never want to give money if i ever got married and then divorced in the future. the hell do we have to give a grown ass adult money for? if there are children involved and the money is for the children's needs, than that is different. but adults can use their lazy ass to make money themselves. did the exwife give your dad any money? she should have.
Asker+1 y@DianaWest no she never. Me and my brother stayed with kids
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+1 yGenerally you have less men to choose from and less demand at 30 because many of the hotter, more successful, socially skilled men go for younger women. Im 35 and my girlfriend is 19. I personally wouldn't dream of dating a 30 yr old seriously, id rather be single. That would feel like a failure to me on a moral level.
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Asker+1 yWhen she turns 20 are you going to dump her
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Oh you're this same "person" following me around on here repeating yourself over and over. Smh.
Asker+1 yI've seen answers of your plastered everywhere about that shit you wrote 🤣🤣 hypocrite much no?
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No matter what i say or the topic of the post you just say the same thing. Clearly youve been hurt and have an obsession over this. I suggest therapy.
Asker+1 yWell no just keep getting bombarded now that I'm back in the uk with my friends why I'm single. When I lived I'm Canada I was so much happier
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@bamesjond0069 so many old geezers want young women, i find it gross. she is barely of legal age, but whatever. you may need viagra soon. hopefully she doesn't have a boyfriend her age that she plans on moving into your mansion in the next decade or two. as for being 30 and single, women can be single mothers by choice, so no need to wait around for a man for any reason. man like you give yourselves far far too much value. i suggest you get off your high horse because there are plenty of women who make plenty of money and could easily score themselves a hotter, younger, sexier man at any age. it is not something that only men benefit from. men are gold diggers too, just like your girlfriend. so an older woman just needs to be successful and she can go on gag and say, men past 30 are all washed up and i only want to date men between 19 and 22. men with this mentality that devalue women past a certain age, even if the woman is still beautiful, fit, and successful, means that you aren't really as high value as you think. as for your girlfriend being 19, i find that rather interesting. she's been 19 for the past 3 years. i always see you on these types of questions bragging about your 19-year-old girlfriend who apparently doesn't age past 19.
That is not good because by age 30 people are set in their ways and are less adaptable. That is even more so for women since they are not as fertile, have less energy and stamina to care for babies, and because their value is much lower than when they were in their late teens and early 20s.
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Asker+1 yOh really I train at the gym 5 times a week? I'm not losing energy at all only the lazy idiots are
Asker+1 yI agree in average not a lot of them. But I've down track and field all in my teens and kept up fitness all through my life
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women don't need to give a fuck what men think about whether they are "high value" or not considering that more and more women are choosing to be single mothers by choice. i see a future where more and more women will choose to have kids on their own and will ignore "high-value" men such as yourself. i guess all these "high-value" men will need to marry each other. you better start looking for your husband soon
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@DianaWest That may happen; at least in the short run of one or two generations.
Anonymous(18-24)+1 yThere’s no rule or law that says you have to be married by a certain age. My mother married in her 20’s and was stuck with a horrible abusive man for years before she managed to get away. She’s now in her 40’s and has found her soulmate and re-married. Moral of the story — don’t get married until you’re absolutely certain you want to spend the rest of your life with that person. You don’t have to get married at all.
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+1 yNot at all. I was engaged at 20 and married at 25. She was 17 when we got engaged and 22 when we got married. Had we been older, I doubt we would have married. But if we did, I think it would have had a better chance to last.
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Asker+1 yAre you not together?
Not at all. You are wiser though. All fun things happen in your 30’s. Stable job, savings and stuff. And the right person will just come along.
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+1 yNo I would say its actually quite normal.
These days anyways, just focus on what you can control which is: diet, fitness, hobbies, the choice of friends you keep, clothes, your outlook on life.
This kind of things...00 ReplyBriefly speaking marriage is about being together life long with the perfect person for you. Age is just a number, what’s mostly important is that your spouse should be the type of person with whom you live in harmony under any circumstances.
00 ReplyI don't know my mind changes all the time, sometimes I want to live like a teenager to old age, which is only a short term relationship that teenagers usually do, which is only about boyfriend or girlfriend, not about husband or wife or fiance.
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+1 yNah, age is just a number, get married or live with a partner the choice is yours, never feel pressured to get married..
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+1 yPersonally, I don't care for marriage. It's what you make of it. I never plan to have kids, and marriage, I can live with it either way.
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+1 yDepends on you, if you wanted to be by now and aren't then its bad in your eyes.
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+1 yNo. Marriage is not obligatory.
You can have just as stable and long of a relationship without it.
It's not about a contract with god/gods, it's about commitment.00 Replywell here my thought ok im 56 years old most woman i meet who are younger than me want a serious realationbship or marrage or kidsits like time is running out so when im looking to meet a woman i get in that postion all the time so 30 is a middle number i say good luck for the woman looking for a man me il stay single
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+1 yWell, I live in Los Angeles and most women have kids here in their late 30’s and get married then too, so it’s normal
10 Reply799 opinions shared on Marriage & Weddings topic. Conventional wisdom says that a woman has a better chance of being killed by a terrorist than getting married after they turn 30. This was even before Biden became president. It must be worse now.
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+1 yNot bad at all. It isn't for everyone. Imagine how many unhappily married people are envious of you.
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Asker+1 yThere is quite a lot I know a guy that likes every picture of girls in his area and asked me to meet up in a hotel
Depends. Are you in a career? Or academic? Then it's not unusual. But on your ass it shows you are not relationship material.
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Asker+1 yYeah I did focus on my degree for 4 years then I wanted to do a working holiday in Canada for 2 years. So yeah here I am 29 in the dating again
+1 yWell I say not really. Cause I'm 26 and I want to be married but every man I have ever loved hasn't loved me back ! And my baby daddy and I were together for 11 years we were supposed to get married and then he called it off a dau before it
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+1 yHell continue to party have fun worry about it a 40. You may think this is ridiculous but one day when you get married at 30 on your 40th birthday you're going to think about that guy's text or message I think damn that bastard was right.
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+1 yNo it's not. Various factors can be why a person isn't married or never been married.
Now, reaching your 40's and you never been married then your chance of being married significantly drops after 40.10 Reply I know a woman who said she was glad she waited until she was 47 to get married otherwise she would of had a pretty rough time.
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+1 yIts different for girls and different for boys.
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+1 yI don’t plan on ever being married well past my 30s. I’ll consider it a life goal to make it past 30 without being in a relationship
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+1 ynot bad at all. is not written anywhere that u have to get married at a certain age. different people experience life at a different pace.
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+1 yI wasn't and neither was my wife. We are happy we got married when we did. It would have been great to find the right person sooner but it would have been awful to marry the wrong person.
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I should add that we have two lovely, healthy children.
Asker+1 yWhen did she have kids?
It's not. Some people don't even get married at all.
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+1 yAs a woman it is pretty bad yes.
Not the end though, if:
You get serious about it.
Pick better men.
Know you can't afford to be picky and focus on the important traits that matter not BS.
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+1 yYes it is if you don’t realize you want to be married until your 30 women can be as delusional as you want but dating in your 20s is much easier than in your 30s
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Asker+1 yOh yeah I know it's easier but I get told I look very young and don't look like I'm in my late 20s
Asker+1 y@shaysh87 yeah exactly! Plus many girls in their late 20s all look young these days because the gym culture nowadays its how you look after yourself at the end of the day. I've seen plenty girls in their 20s that look so aged
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Asker+1 y@shaysh87 yes absolutely!
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Let me explain something to you about men we want children we want a legacy older women are harder to do that with making them less desirable as long as a man isn’t shooting blanks we can have kids at any age
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Truth is only 10-15 percent of men will hit the type of wealth that will attract tons of gold diggers. You’re not likely to hit that type of money ever in that life time
Plus the vast majority of modern young women are college educated and make very good salaries. These women don’t need to marry a man they don’t want to have sex with just for a few extra bucks. Only desperate women without career prospects would resort to this kind of life
I wouldn’t marry a man who I don’t wanna have sex with just for a few extra bucks. I want to marry a man that I’m physically attracted to and actually want to have sex with.
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[Let me explain something to you about men we want children we want a legacy older women are harder to do that with making them less desirable as long as a man isn’t shooting blanks we can have kids at any age]
You are in for a rude awakening if you think there are plenty of young women in their 20s wanting to have kids with a man in his 40-50s. Most of us aren’t interested in dating Mcdaddies or grandpas - +1 y
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@shaysh87 first off I’m in the process of manufacturing my own hot sauce and soda I already have my Business license and I have 401k plus my dad is rich the day that man dies I will never have to work another day in my life and again you keep pretending sluts don’t exist and by the way only about 9% of women make 200k or more a year and most of them are very old ones under 30 drops that number to almost.5% while men over 40 who work have careers and learn trades retire with millions to their name play your games somewhere else Ik what I’m talking about and as long as a man isn’t shooting blanks we can still have children
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@shaysh87 where do you live because in America the upperclass and wealth are mostly men over 40 who worked normal jobs no college they learned trades and accumulated their wealth over a 30 year career men over 40 own a great deal of the wealth in the world actually and a lot of them work normal jobs my uncle is a truck driver my guy is 52 and he gonna make another million before he retires he doesn’t even have a highschool diploma wtf are you talking about 😂
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@creampiekarl420
you likely have nothing good going on for you, which is why you have nothing better to do than to talk shit about other people on GAG. Men who run businesses are wayy too busy with their jobs than to come on here all day to talk shit.
There is a saying:
"People who constantly talk negatively about other people tend to have nothing positive going on in their own life"
It fits you perfectly. You don't have a dating life. You don't have a business. You don't have any money. No women look at you. which is why you're so nasty and bitter. - +1 y
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@creampiekarl420
nobody wants a guy who doesn't have a job, has no goals, failed out of school, never accomplished anything in life, does nothing but watches porn in his room all day.
No decent girl is gonna respect a guy like that. Nobody cares about how much money your great great grandfather had either. Nobody wants a boy like that. - +1 y
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If the next words out your mouth isn’t “yes daddy I want your fat cock down my throat” then don’t talk anymore
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+1 yYes it is!! You hit the wall at that age, women are more desirable between the ages of 18 and 23. It's biology. Women will go after their career first instead of having a family and that's where they fucked up.
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how are they going to support a family without a career and money, wise man? will their livelihoods depend on a man's whims and desires? don't worry though, more and more women are becoming successful, financially independent, and CHOOSING to be single mothers, no need for any financial assistance from anyone. some men acting so arrogant, like women exist on earth to be "desirable" to men and not age past 23. puhlease. if more women become fed up with assholes with your mentality, they will begin to ignore men and choose to be single mothers, and y'all "high value" men can marry each other.
Asker+1 y@DianaWest 🤣🤣🤣 coming out with the truth bombs. No way can a guy support his wife and 2 kids on his. These guys are jokers
Not really. It's about time to be looking for the first partner who's as good as any of your previous ones, though.
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+1 yThere is no manual. Only opinions. Live your own life.
00 ReplyHell no, good for you marriage is the worst finical decision anyone could ever make.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yYes because at 30 your time for making more brats starts running out.
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