What’s the benefit of marriage? What can marriage do for you that a loving relationship cannot?

[Charliefretz329]

[HighValue]

For men there are no benefits, only possible life altering detrimental penalties if it ends in divorce.

Financially you are much better off not being married. One partner can be low income and qualify for free Grants for college, which wouldn't happen if they are married to someone that has a decent income.

Getting married also combines your credit ratings which ALWAYS penalizes the person that had a higher rating.

Also, if not married, the person with low income or no income can qualify for food stamps and medical/Medicaid for free.

You could also put the utility Bill's in the name of the low income partner so you would qualify for low income discount programs.

The only benefits to marriage (assuming it works out so you don't suffer from a divorce) would be when one partner dies, if they were married long enough (usually at least 10 years) the living partner can continue collecting most of their partner's retirement benefits. That usually applies for only the wife because the husband usually makes more money and dies sooner.

So, for a man, I see no legitimate benefits to being married.

[cherieday]

I've always wondered thanks

[Charliefretz329]

True

[DizzyDesii]

When i was with dept of ed, we used to get so many calls about frustrated students who no longer qualified for grants after being married. No one wants loans 😂 But i actually didn't know the credit score thing. I guess i understand the insurance stuff but who literally has a goal of qualifying for food stamps 🥴 I’m not seeing how these are benefits for the woman either. Idgaf about retirement. people dont know if they’ll live to see retirement anyways

[Aerissa_Jade]

How do you mean combined credit scores? Mine was never combined my with my husband... we had our own. I do not live in a community property state and we never did joint accounts on anything. Maybe your referring to those who do joint accounts or living in a community property state? His credit was not that great, mine is awesome and still is, it hasn't even changed at all.

As for food stamps, in order to get them you'd have to lie and say you are living alone, which if they find out you are living together, is fraud. They want the 'entire households' income, not just the low income person. This is why when someone moves back home with their parents, even thought they just lost their job, have zero income they cannot qualify because they want the entire households income, including their parents. I've seen this with relatives who could qualify if living alone but not when they had to move back in with their parents. Not sure about Medicaid, no idea on that.

I have seen people who had medical issues, move in with their parents and have huge medical bills, they are out of work and they apply for the FQHC write off's that the federal government does, but they also need the entire households income to determine if they get 20/40/60/80 or a 100% write off... thus they need their parents income.

Those benefits you speak of really only apply if your single, living alone, or committing fraud saying you are, when you aren't.

[HighValue]

@Aerissa_Jade "Household" doesn't apply when you purchase your own food and keep it separate. Even when living in your parent's house you can qualify and not include their income once you are past 21. Same goes for taxes. Whoever told you those things made a mistake.
The only time you legally have to include others is if you are under 21, or married, or have kids together. At least in CA that is how the system works.
If a girlfriend/boyfriend had to claim each other/consider the other's income, so would any adults living together, even just roommates, which is NOT the case legally.

[Aerissa_Jade]

Here it is the case, as that is what I have been told by case workers from the state. Household income is required for SNAP, unless you have what is considered a LEGAL separate apartment/living area, with its own kitchen, bathroom, etc... then only those living in that separate apartment count.

Such as renting a basement apartment from your parents, or someone else, then it would apply.

My cousin also moved in with his parents, bought his own fridge, for him and his kids, thinking he could get around it but was told he still needed to provided his parents income.

The FQHC stuff, is federal law. That would apply everywhere then as the feds pick up the tab for what is written off, but need to consider household income to determine how much to be written off.

I do think it is stupid, considering your parents income to assist in paying your own medical bills, very stupid.

Seems like CA it is easier to get that then it is here.

Ironically though, one can be married here, and living apart and not need your spouses income to be included. I can see it now, a married couple rents a duplex, she lives on one side, he lives on one side and they both qualify separately lmao.

[Subarugirl]

Well actually it’s been studied that married men on average are more successful, are happier and live longer.

[Subarugirl]

No sure where you’re getting the idea that marriage combines their credit scores. That’s no true

[Fuentes]

@Subarugirl the divorce rate is HIGH what studies are you reading? And they can combine your credit if married lollolol what? If someone has child support they will garnish your wages if one quits paying or someone gets a court order granted fir money and if were Married on a lease or house loan both of our credits will get hit for evictions & house loans. If MEN were so happy the divorce rate & suicide rate of divorced men would nit be so high. Also if I do a crime affects the e commerce the women I marry will be charged my debt, which is why most woman divorce before the court case hits lol CREDIT is a huge thing before you marry someone. That's why I don't believe your married but to each their own.

@Aerissa_Jade you were married? Lol & if your native on the rezz don't you guys just get the hook up off tanf anyway.

[Subarugirl]

@Fuentes you aren’t married are you lol dude google it. If you aren’t able to let me know and I’ll post the links

[Fuentes]

@Subarugirl read the highlighted purple please

www.divorcenet.com/.../...-support-california.html

[Subarugirl]

@Fuentes so you aren’t married good to know. You live in California?

[Subarugirl]

It would serve you well to understand stand the difference between communal property and combined credit scores

[Fuentes]

@Subarugirl lol you been known I'm not married & you know as well I live in California stop playing lol I said this over 100x hahaha.

Also if you think debt doesn't affect credit you need to educate yourself, all debt becomes joint.
If I do a crime and i was married she may have to pay if they know she knew about what I was doing. Also important jobs within the gov will DQ you if your WIFE has bad credit. Regardless if it doesn't show up on a credit report it might as well be the same that's a huge chuck to dig out of and it affects you when you want your dream job.

invictus-law.com/.../
www.perkinslawcolorado.com/.../spouses-criminal-restitution

[Fuentes]

Theirs 2 links I don't know why it didn't space out one mentions Gov jobs and how your partners credit when married affects you getting the job & the other is debt and restitution you could be ordered to pay if I ever did a crime and how both debts are split up equally among marriage couples once you say I DO. Also eww don't ever accuse me of being married again lol.

[Subarugirl]

@Fuentes actually I didn’t but thanks for the affirmation. I appreciate your honesty.
I’ll clarify, because it would appear that you haven’t been able to comprehend the difference between personal and marital property. For the record I am talking about personal property and credit. Marriage doesn’t affect credit.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@Fuentes Yes I was married, but his credit wasn't that great before we got married, mine stayed the same... because I don't do joint loans, the house is in my name only and I do not live in a community property state, so his loans are his loans and they cannot come after me for his debts.

In states that do not have community property laws, assets are owned by whoever’s name appears on the deed or registration.

CA is a community property state, one of only 9 states where a spouses debt becomes your own. I can see why you would say that, since you live there.

The simple solution (if you don't live in a community property state) is to not have any joint or shared accounts.

Even your own Invictus link you provided talks about that in the first paragraph.

[Fuentes]

@Aerissa_Jade yeah invictus was for working gov jobs the 2nd one was about debt that follows

@Subarugirl maybe you're right but I love I'm California therefore I would never get married and that's disgusting what happens after and what you can be blocked by, that is straight up ridiculous. Which proves that MARIIAGE IS NOT GOOD FOR MEN lol

[Subarugirl]

@Fuentes well for someone who isn’t interested in something you sure do seem to spend a lot of time thinking about it. Lol

[Fuentes]

@Subarugirl thinking or am I just laying down facts on why it's not a good thing in today's society to be married. Every man should know the risk I will not sit here like you and lie to men that they will be happy when the suicide rate and divorce rate reads something entirely different. You small town folks can't speak up for big city folk, that's why you have no idea what you speak of.

[Subarugirl]

@Fuentes What facts? One married persons credit score doesn't affect the other unless they cosign something.
According to myfico. com "Married couples don't have a joint FICO Score, they each have individual scores. The difference is that when you are single you usually only need to worry about your credit habits and profile. However, when you become married your spouse's credit habits and profile have an impact on yours. For example, if you have a credit card in both of your names and it doesn't get paid on time, that can affect both of your FICO Scores - and not in a good way."
www.myfico.com/.../marriage-and-scores

[Subarugirl]

I answered the question asked about the benefits of marriage. According to an article posted by Harvard "A major survey of 127,545 American adults found that married men are healthier than men who were never married or whose marriages ended in divorce or widowhood. Men who have marital partners also live longer than men without spouses; men who marry after age 25 get more protection than those who tie the knot at a younger age, and the longer a man stays married, the greater his survival advantage over his unmarried peers. "
www.health.harvard.edu/.../marriage-and-mens-health

Another study, conducted by the Institute for Family Studies, concluded that “the benefits of marriage for men are substantial by every conceivable measure, including more money, a better sex life, and significantly better physical and mental health.”

When it comes to money, the study found that married men will be richer than single men by a range of 10 to 40 percent; when taking “selection effect” into account, that range decreases 10 to 24 percent.

“Men who stay married are in much better financial shape than their peers who divorced, or those who never married in the first place,” the study’s research brief states. “Married men earn more, save more, and generally have access to a second income. Consequently, they have much greater accumulated wealth than their unmarried peers. In fact, the typical fifty-something married man has three times the assets of his unmarried peer, about $167,000 compared to less than $49,000.”

ifstudies.org/.../...andMarriageResearchBrief2.pdf

[Fuentes]

@Subarugirl yes these have to be lies because. the DIVORCE RATE is super high we are the highest country in the world with the highest divorce rate so theirs no way any of those post are true. I'm sure you seen the divorce rate in the US, do. you actually need me to post it. You may be right about about the filo store but your not right about the debt and you're not right about the studies those studies can be debunked just by the divorce rate stats in real time.

[Fuentes]

memphisdivorce.com/.../

[Subarugirl]

@Fuentes those have thing to do with divorce and everything with marriage.

[Subarugirl]

@Fuentes that’s the whole point of this post. It’s about marriage not divorce

[Fuentes]

@Subarugirl you're posting stats that men will be happy I am showing you evidence that debunks those studied with our highest divorce rate in the world. Men are not happy, in marriage.

[Guy13]

Clearly Marriage relationship is more satisfying long-term than cohabitation. Traditional moral and spiritual values within our society confirms Marriage as a necessity while the culture legitimizes cohabiting.

Marriage is a contractual written commitment between man/woman with permeance as there are consequences for violation. This public declaration is clearly definable and offers protections, whereas,

Cohabitation or S O is undefinable arrangement within both couple and society as there are two free-floating and unbounded anatomical entities. Society grounded in S O is a society without the stability that is found within a declared Family via the institution of Marriage.

[Lexi_87]

Their are many legal and financial benefits that come with marriage which you cannot get with just a relationship.
Of course both cases the couple live each other, but if something serious happens such as your partner being on life support. A wife had a say in what happens and any treatment and. A girlfriend on the other hand has no say, doctors won't tell her anything (even if you just want to check he's ok) unless your an actually relative they won't tell you how he is and you'll be lucky if you even get to visit their room (but only with families permission)

Same also when it comes to financial state. If your not earning enough to qualify for a mortgage but your husband does you'll qualify and where as again you boyfriend who makes a lot of money won't make a difference. You also pay less tax when married along with many other financial benefits that come with marriage

[Aerissa_Jade]

Tax benefits, about a 2% less than being single, other legal benefits... most of which one can do with simple paperwork, which was often the argument against same sex marriage, it can be done without marriage, just easier to be married.

Many companies also only let you add a child or spouse on the health insurance, if not married, can't add them.

[Charliefretz329]

True

[HighValue]

You can always add your child to health insurance, just not a girlfriend/boyfriend. They could sue the company if they didn't allow them to add their own child.

[Aerissa_Jade]

@HighValue Sorry I meant to say Step Child, not child... if you live with someone and are not married, you cannot add their child to your policy. You can always add your own.

[BlueScorpio]

That's what marriage is suppose to be, a loving relationship. The benefit where are suppose to be love, commitment, family, partnership for life.

[kylee2437]

Is has nothing to do with benefits - it has to do with commitment. From my experiences, any guy that has negative views on marriage is projecting the fact that in reality he doesn’t see himself in a long term committed relationship. He’s just trying to dance around the fact that he doesn’t want actual commitment because it’s easier to convince women that just because he doesn’t want marriage, doesn’t mean he doesn’t want a relationship.

[Charliefretz329]

I always end up with abusive women who destroy our finances and assault me.

[kylee2437]

@charliefretz329 sounds like you need to self reflect and figure out why you are only attracting those kind of women

[Charliefretz329]

No kidding! *punches self in eye…. But too late now

[CelineBV]

I laugh whenever those guys tell the woman that she's the love of his life but yet find excuses not to get marry and give her kids. Then obviously she's not the ''love of his life''. If she was, he would go against oceans to commit and already made her his wife.

[CelineBV]

It's BS if he claims she's the love of his life but just won't marry her. That's an oxymoron right there.

[kylee2437]

@CelineBV exactly! Because if you are going to be with someone forever, why wouldn’t you want benefits for it? It’s a sign he doesn’t see things as long term

[tenor55]

We got married when she was 16 and I was 17. She was pregnant and I loved her. I am not sure we would have survived without that commitment. It was not easy, but we made a promise in front or friends and family. We worked hard on our own stuff, made it work, and celebrated 50 years. We are still lovers and best friends. I wouldn’t change a thing!

[Charliefretz329]

That’s awesome!

[TrueConfection]

For me, it's the level of commitment. My husband wanted me to move in with him when we were dating and I said no. He didn't wait long to propose after that and once we were married I knew he was fully committed.

[DizzyDesii]

Damn i wish i still had this mindset. But so many people cheat in marriage that i can't even assume marriage means stronger commitment anymore

[Charliefretz329]

True

[TrueConfection]

@DizzyDesii Not everyone.

[DizzyDesii]

I know. Just so many

[TrueConfection]

@DizzyDesii Yes, but you can't spend Thor life focused on those bad apples. There are lots of good and honest people still out there. 😉

[TrueConfection]

*your

[DizzyDesii]

Yea which is why i still would like to marry. But i’d be okay if i didn't. However if i dont marry, i’m not willing to shackup. I would only live wih someone if we were engaged and we’d have to be engaged for less than a year

[TrueConfection]

@DizzyDesii Don't compromise your standards and you'll be just fine.

[DizzyDesii]

I haven't compromised since 2019 😂 Im just mot the type

[mstbooblover]

Although couples can live the same way as if they were officially married, a marriage seems to add some kind of a consecration of two persons getting deeply involved with each other to create a family. Important? No, but nevertheless yes. A more official engagement may be important for the whole extended family of the partners, because those 2 families get a link between each other and become somehow one. In the mind of the partners engaging with each other, marriage can be a sincere intention to join their lifes with each other, be it only because of the pronounced vows.

I have been married for many decennia, but now, approaching slowly a higher age, if ever I have the luck to get again a girlfriend, I will certainly not get married again. Not out of spite, but because priorities have changed, and because I'm now able to just choose a more simple path. I don't feel the need to prove anything anymore.

[Anonymous]

Well, there are certainly legal, emotional, and financial benefits, but that aside for some people its a religious thing where they feel they are not truly joined until they are joined under God in the covenant of marriage. For some, it enables them to mature to the point where they don't just walk off at the first sign of trouble in the relationship...because they can.

[jshm2]

There is no real negative to marriage. The problem is usually one or both couple fucking up their vows, and commitments as a result.

It's like asking "what's the benefit of school?" regardless of the negatives, there will be more positives.

[bamesjond0069]

Very typical answer. If there are so many positives, I'd challenge you to list positives that are exclusively gained from being married.

[DizzyDesii]

The only benefits are that I’d feel less guilty having sex outside of it, more happy pleasing God, and more comfortable creating kids that are not out of wedlock. Other than that, i could do without marriage

[NathanDavis]

peace of mind... and ease of life

there's a whole lot instances in which the person behind the counter will say "I don't care sir, love is not enough, matter of legality here"

[Charliefretz329]

Yeah true

[Subarugirl]

Well it depends on where you live but

Your Social Security benefits may get a boost.
You could get an income tax break.
Buying or selling a home.
Gift and estate tax provisions are more generous.
Insurance planning.
A spouse may qualify for more benefits.

For married men in general

they tend to live longer

are more successful

and are generally healthier

[Dinklex3]

I know this isn't the case for a lot of people, but healthcare, travel opportunities, education benefits, free gym, separation pay, bah, childcare, extended work family, being able to attend nice balls and parties.

[Charliefretz329]

Monetary benefits only

[Charliefretz329]

But huiuuugeee potential monetary loses when they take your home and retirement in a divorce

[Charliefretz329]

Not to mention child support and alimony

[Dinklex3]

Pretty much. I honestly don't see benefits in civilian marriage unless I got sick and my hubby tells them not to pull the plug..

Well I thought we were talking marriage, not divorce. I listed benefits that are pretty much guaranteed with the assumption you would remain together vs potential divorce. I don't really see supporting your child as a loss, but I do agree it can be messy.

[Charliefretz329]

There is nothing more important than supporting your children. But abusive spouses who cannot handle finances cannot use my money properly for the children while I cannot afford to live and care for them either

[Dinklex3]

Hopefully you don't marry someone like that.

[Adam1978]

Nothing in my country. I wouldn't say it saves you a lawyer visit for the will, since getting married is certainly more complicated than that.

[bamesjond0069]

No benefits. Lots of negatives. I don't believe in its current state that marriage is possible to be Godly. God has told us a man should lead, and upon marriage the woman is given legal authority to lead (whether she uses it or not), marriage is an anti Christian institution in its current form.

[BCRanger10]

People are thinking about marriage wrong if they're thinking about what it can do for them. It's about the giving of one to another for life and for the procreation and education of children.

[DaveToo]

It's a commitment that you will take care of each other for the rest of your lives. I married my wife in 1967 and lost her to cancer in 1988. It's what you do or don't get married.

[Pete671]

Nothing, law is totally biased in favour of women should the marriage fail,,,

[Tina19]

Marriage brings more security than relationship i guess however i don't believe in either of them anymore nothing is for forever

[LiamJHayden]

If you are married and your partner dies, you can more easily avoid probate than an unmarried couple can.

[LegendaryDater]

It's a preference mostly. Sure you get some tax breaks and discounts with insurance but to me they are both the same.

[Anonymous]

It gives the woman free income so that she can sleep around with random guys after the divorce. While you slave away at your job.

[Anonymous]

Marriage is only a piece of paper telling governments worlds your marriage

[Cubus]

The biggest benefit of marriage is that you get God's blessing.

[LimitedBenefits101]

Marriage only benefits women.

Men should stay far away from marriage.

[12Volt]

Ask a divorce lawyer.

[Chazmatazz269]

As a man, there is no benefit to marriage.

[Anonymous]

I guess it’s just one more deeper step of commitment and legally binding the commitment

[Anonymous]

Right now is for women to get's man's hardworking money without any trouble.

[Anonymous]

There are none. Why get married?

[dustybiker]

Exactly.

[karley55]

Status

[magiusX26]

neither can do a damned thing for me

[Fuentes]

Lol nothing I would never get married

[Anonymous]

are you drug addict?