The education system is unnatural for human being!

[aggresor]

Recently, I digged through wikipedia, and noticed that, if you look at all the biggest musicians and sportstars, and I mean the really, REALLY iconic ones, like John Lenon/Michael Jackson/Madonna/Eminem/Lady Gaga/Roger Federer/Michael Jordan/David Beckham, i noticed that, almost without fail, they had their career breakthrough and defining moment somewhere between the age of 22 to 27, because that is the age that the human species was originally designed to reach its peak, because human beings a couple hundred years ago didn't usual live past the age of 30! Without medicine and technology human being wouldn't live past 35!

Which brings me back to my point, that the education system is flawed, because when you finish university at age 22, while you are supposed to be at your prime, fully capable of taking on and taking over the world, instead you are boxed into your cubicle and serving at the lowest ladder of your company doing shitty tasks while trying to reach higher up. And by the time you get there, say, when you are 28, you are already past your prime.

The education system made you wasted your best years on building the foundation of your career, when you could have used that time to burst onto the scene, taken over the world, and died away.

[meatballs21]

You talk of education and yet your Take is full of ignorance. Even cavepeople could live into their 70s or beyond with the medicine and technology they had - the average age of 35 you cite is just that - an average, of EVERYONE. Infant mortality was very high in the past, and when you include all those people who die before their second birthday, it skews the figures to make it look like people just died in early adulthood.

You finish a bachelor's degree at 22 - you can keep going and do a master's and doctorate and then you'll be far better placed to have a better starting point in your career (as a doctor or architect or whatever) in your late 20s.

The best thing is that you're citing athletes and musicians as examples of success. They are very very much the exception rather than the rule in society, especially musicians who have to get noticed and have that lucky break to become huge and successful. How many talented artists languish in the background never to be discovered or only with limited success? Why are they something to be aspired to, as opposed to a great scientist or teacher? Someone who makes a difference and a better world every day like a police officer or firefighter or social worker? Why do you think everyone goes straight into a shitty office job?

[9mfeo]

If you don't want to be confined to a cubicle, you don't have to be. Some professions do not require you to go to university, it's true.

However, I wouldn't trust a "doctor" who had never been to medical school. I'd prefer a lawyer that had passed the bar. I'd feel safer if the engineers designing my life had been to school and passed their technical exams.

[aggresor]

I think you accidentally provided a very strong case for my theory, i. e., doctors, lawyers, engineers, these are not "natural" occupations, there are no doctors and lawyers in the wild jungles of Africa or South America (maybe there are engineers, birds building nest come to mind), these occupations are clinical, and almost inhuman, if you know what I mean. They do not require the natural, brutal, physical and savagery strength and force that we men are born with. On the other hand, being an athlete and a singer on stage, requires that natural strength that comes when you are aged between 16-27

[9mfeo]

Wow you're ridiculous.

[aggresor]

Maybe.

Or maybe I just understand some deep truth about life that you don't yet understand.

[9mfeo]

So... Because being a doctor isn't a "natural" profession (bullshit - there have always been healers in civilized societies), it's not worth doing? Yeah. Okay. Have fun banging rocks together.

[aggresor]

let me put it this way: can you name a single world famous doctor/lawyer/engineer? do you know any doctor/lawyer/engineer who has 10 million followers on Instagram?

[9mfeo]

@Bards @BellePepper @itsallover @fenixx0083 @clariceowen23 I can't with this guy anymore.

[9mfeo]

Amal Alamuddin is an attorney, she's pretty famous.

Sir Ian fleming was a doctor. He only invented penicillin. Not famous enough to warrant international attention.

[9mfeo]

Dr Sandra Lee, a dermatologist from California has a pretty healthy following on Instagram. Her handle is drpimplepopper. You might consider going to see her - I'm sure she can help you out.

[fenixx0083]

Do you feel you've been robbed of something, then? I mean personally?

[aggresor]

@9mfeo you really don't get it, do you?

[9mfeo]

There are three options:
A) you are being facetious and failing miserably
b) you are bitter about not getting into university
c) you have an extremely low IQ and value fame over substance, making you like, admittedly, most of the US

[ObscuredBeyond]

The Prussian model is not designed for innovation; but complacency. It's structured to produce obedient soldiers who follow rigid tasks, not freethinkers that discover things through unconventional means. Modern education in the western world follows the Prussian model because Huxley and other early humanists advocated it aggressively, and were met with little resistance. They talked a big talk, and few dared challenge their assumptions. Once the model became politically insulated, it seemed there was no turning back.

[aggresor]

Thanks for this piece of knowledge.

[ObscuredBeyond]

The film IndoctriNation goes into even more detail about it. It's worth a watch. The family behind it, by film's end, says the bus they were using became a perfect metaphor for the Prussian model's failure in America. By film's end, the were able to make more money tearing their bus apart and selling the scrap than what it would have been worth on the market as a vehicle.

[ilovchipmunk]

i have zero idea what you're talking about. but i like the fact that you hypothesized anyone have a genius in their brain. actually it's true. unfortunately there are rarely employers would hire a teenage to do an adult job. on the contrary, the old people has all the resources, and the world's listening to them. if someone wants to take over the scene and replaces the old people, you have to beat them off. what are the odds?

[aggresor]

i have zero idea what you're talking about.

[ilovchipmunk]

can you understand this if someone got a job, it means the other one would have lost this job. and from the aspect of competitiveness, the younger one has to beat the old one despite of the fact that the old one has more experience. on the whole. the younger actually is killing the old one , to replace their social positions. and there are only this much of requirement all over the whole planet. so education is served as a function as a buffer.

[LittleSally]

Yeah...
People learn their entire lives.

It's best to start learning what you want to build into a career from the age or 3 or 4 - through games and in a fun way...
But not a lot of children do this - why? Because not a lot of children KNOW what they want to be when they grow up.

The flaw in your rant is that not all people know what they want to be when they grow up - or when they'll be ready to do what they want to do.

[aggresor]

like i said in the other reply, maybe people should start working earlier, like 16, then go back to education after 2 years of full time work, makes much more sense to me.

[John_Doesnt]

Totally agree and even many teachers and professors agree. When I was taking my English 1A my professor was showing us a bunch of studies and videos on how current education system sucks so bad. He was basically admitting his job was corrupted, so that's how bad things have gotten.

[JackTyler]

So are you trying to take us back by decades? I agree that the education system is flawed in many ways, but unnatural? So are a lot of other things that we do. You should just avoid using the internet and start ranting about it on the streets naked. You do realize that pretty much all professions are "unnatural" right? That includes music. Your vocal cords are not meant for entertainment.

[aggresor]

why are you talking about professions? i am not talking about professions

[JackTyler]

Because that is what education trains you for.

[zagor]

That doesn't make much sense. Some careers, like show biz or athletics, depend on physical ability or looks, so of course they peak in the 20's. And most Mathematicians peak at an average of 26. But in general ability in a career is a combination of brainpower, creativity... and experience. Thus studies have found that in most professions the peak of productivity is...56.

At that point the diminishing mental agility starts to matter more than the additional experience.

[boringmurderer]

learning from valid educators about a topic i adore doesn't seem like a waste of my prime to me tbh. just... a little expensive for something i can watch on the computer now (ty ivy leagues for putting your classes online for free)

[SaintRichie23]

There is so much stupid in this Take that I'm glad I have an education to realize just the amount of stupid in this take.

[aggresor]

err... no.

stupidity is what stupid people like you are born with, when you are not intellectually capable of understanding a completely new topic, so you use the word stupid to mask your retardedness in not being capable to give an intelligent counterpoint to this new point of view.

go ahead, try and give an actual, valid argument.

you can't.

you are too stupid.

[SaintRichie23]

Hahahaha Dude, you're nearly 30 and you came up with that temper tantrum of a response?

I can't make an intelligent counterpoint if I try to counter unintelligence. The fact that you used sport athletes and entertainers is just hilarious. News flash: you don't need a degree to become either of those. That's why they are famous actually, because they started professionally in their mid to late teens rather than their early or mid 20s. Ever think of that?

If you wanted to try a little harder, maybe you should have kept off wikipedia. You want to make the argument that education is sending us out into the world at an age that is inconvenient for our "prime years?" Look at people with actual degrees that base their professions around them.

The average age of Nobel Prize Winners (Chemistry, Physics, Medicine, Peace, Literature, and Economics, you know, fields that require an education) is 59 from 1901-2014. 0.2% were below age 29. This decade the average is 63, and last decade it was 66

[SaintRichie23]

Those guys are the 'icons' of the professional field, not your 'icons' of social media and entertainment. Those Nobel winners must have been really lucky to have 99.8% of themselves be over 30 and "out of their prime." Maybe by 28 you are out of your prime physically (which is still bs when you see the age athletes and celebrities retire), but your mind doesn't burn out and you only struggle up ladders if you wound up sitting on your hands during your education.

I did internships, services, and summer programs and busted my ass. Next year, I'm going to be sitting pretty having my tuition paid for to go to graduate school, being paid to study, and having a job and training over my breaks. You take out of the education system what you want. Too many people expect it to be given to them.

[aggresor]

I see... so you are speaking as someone who has neither completed an education or ever worked a full time job, and you want to comment on a topic which is about education and work? LOL.

[SaintRichie23]

Erm... yes, as I'm just about to finish my undergrad (that's an education :O) and I already have a paid internship (that's work :O) at the company who is giving me a full time job because I worked hard on my education. Hence, I'm telling you that your take on the education system and getting into work is bullshit. Seriously, did you fail reading comprehension, or was that all you could come up with when your point just collapsed on itself?

[aggresor]

look, i noticed how you are constantly highlighting how you "worked hard on your education", exactly the kind of ignorant worship mentality towards education that i am talking about.

lol and since when did paid internship become a full time job?
and what company are we speaking of anyway? do you think you can keep that job? how would you get ahead from all the other cookie cutters sitting next to you, who are just like you, with an "education", huh?

have you ever had to make any real career choices? choosing between money and personal interest? do you know how to handle yourself at the management level at a company? do you think you can even reach management by 30 with your "education"? and even then how much money do you think you will be making? enough to buy a nice apartment in New York? do you even know how paying off a mortgage feels? huh?

so you better stfu and go learn some.

by the way, your mentioning of nobel prize is just so dumb... when i am talking business world.

[aggresor]

But ahead, I would love see how far that "education" will take you a few years down the road.
Keep staying in the system, it needs people just like you, haha.

[SaintRichie23]

Right now I'm splitting my paycheck with my mother and little sister to help put food on the table and pay the rent in our hotel room cause my mom can't get a job for an apartment and pay for my little sister's college education because our father is fantastic. Every day I choose their interests over mine, but hey, apparently you know me so well off 3-4 comments.

Yeah I know some basic management as I took two summer programs for it. I know I will be a manager before 30, cause as I said before, I'm going to be educated during the semesters and get a paid job as an assistant manager (mostly training, but its still paid) until I graduate, where I'll become a manager. Since you're so curious, I'll be making 4-figures during my paid education as stipend, 4-figure salary on breaks. Bumps up to high 5-figure once I graduate. The "system" is pretty great.

Nobel Prize in Economic Science is business -_-... And you keep asking questions about my personal background, so I did... Anything else?

[aggresor]

wow, cry me a fxxking river, will you?

look, i am sure you will be a useful human, got beaten down by life and trying to move up, like some kind of revenge. But the world won't really give a sh1t to that.

you are just becoming a worker bee in a world where only the queen bee matters.
but hey, you will learn that soon enough.

p. s. I do hope that internship is at Goldman Sachs because I haven't heard of any 5-figure jobs in the world upon graduation. Or you are just lying. Which is bad form.

[SaintRichie23]

I'm not complaining about my current situation? You literally asked questions about it.

And yeah, some companies are willing to do that if you're on the top of your class and already have experience managing businesses and budgets. Again, you take out of the education system what you want to take from it. I was given one, and I made sure I got the most of it in the interest of my family and it paid off. I'm here to disagree that every college grad gets thrown into a cubicle. The lazy ones do.

Now you're just coming off as bitter. Maybe you dropped out or something, but whatever, you clearly have a vendetta against education. If you think I'm lying, go on ahead, I really don't care what your opinion of me is, but don't talk about bad form when, at the age of 28, you are having rants and cursing at people two-thirds your age over the Internet.

[aggresor]

lol, if I am coming off as bitter it's only because I am wasting time trying to bang into your head the fact that, you have never worked full time properly, you haven't worked at a company for any meaningful amount of time, and you are actually trying to pretend that you know sh1t about that? Your worldview is so simplistic it's almost laughable: "I will get my degree, work hard, and yay, I will be a success" HA. HA. HA.

You are like someone who has been playing GTA for too long and now actually believes he can fly a helicopter and shoot an AK47 and get away from the police. lol.

[SaintRichie23]

*sigh* I'm getting tired of this now.

Fine, whatever, believe whatever you want to believe. I don't care anymore. You're just making assumptions now about my experience and life, which isn't an argument, its just you having a tantrum akin to a 12-year old. Have fun acting that way at the "out-of-prime" age of 28.

[aggresor]

28? HA. HA.

stupid people like you actually believe what they see on the internet, don't they?

I am 23, started my food business when I was 19 and made enough money to buy 3 apartments in NYC, i. e. something people like you will never achieve.

But yeah, keeping working on that degree and that stupid job, bro.

[SaintRichie23]

*sigh* I don't care about you or your life as much as you seem to be caring about mines. You are a few miles off the topic, so have a great life and enjoy your tantrums on the Internet complaining about other people, which doesn't make you any less of a little man whether you are 23 or 28. /thread

[SnowHearth]

I'm just going to sit and simulate I didn't read what I just read.

[sp33d]

The education system is designed for you to have a life. It is NOT mandatory, but recommended. What is you complaining about?

[Anonymous]

Well, Frank Zappa was one of the most brilliant composers of all time in my opinion, he had a 174 IQ, and barely got through high school. I think he would be am exception, though.

[ClariceOwen23]

Umm @JackTyler... Can you understand any of this?

[JackTyler]

Oh wow O. o

[Anonymous]

So what's your proposed alternative?

[aggresor]

don't really have one, but just saying the structure of education regarding age is really not the best.

but just off the top of my head, maybe everyone has to work for 2 years from age 16, then go back to school at 18, which will give a much better perspective of which direction you really want to go rather than having to guess you might like being a lawyer at 16 so you go down that road only to find out after you graduate and done 2 years of lawyer that you actually hate it.

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah, the trick is that you're not really going to get much of an idea what a career is like from doing a job from 16 to 18. Mostly because 16 year olds aren't terribly useful for much yet. So you're better off staying in school. And one of the downsides of modern life is that you are most likely to live well into your 70s or 80s or beyond, so it's not like you can just give something a shot till you're 28 and then just give up. And lastly, there really aren't that many people at all who stand any chance of "bursting onto the scene and taking over the world" as you put it. Turns out there are already plenty of other folks already on the scene who have completed their educations, have real experience and have money. So there's a lot of work to do!

[aggresor]

i am just saying that the human body was designed to work really hard at its prime between 16 to 30, and then die or make enough money to retire.

Unfortunately under the existing education-employment system that is not possible.

Unless you started and owned a successful business, or make money through investment, or is a successful sportsman/musician/actor, there is zero chance in this capitalist world that you can work hard through your twenties and make enough money to retire by 30, like your body was designed to.

[Opinion Owner]

If you're going to retire at 30 and live to 80 you're going to need to earn a crapload of money. I doubt that's a realistic goal. Also, I'm not sure why you blame "this capitalist world" for that reality. I'm pretty sure the MANY dozens of nations that have tried alternative systems do even worse at generating substantial wealth.

[aggresor]

I guess what I am really saying age 16-27 is the make or break age for everyone, you either make it and rise to the top during those years or you don't.

[Opinion Owner]

I think the vast, VAST majority of people do not reach their professional peak anywhere near the age of 27. But yeah, those are important years. And for MOST people, spending a good portion of those years going to the best possible school and then slaving over a desk for 100 hours a week or so will maximize their career trajectory.