There are a lot of thing that are haram in Islam... yes, drawing Animals and Humans may be considered one of them... but I don't remember reading that in the Qu'ran. My family is Shia and don't go by hadiths. It is a person's interpretation that drawing a human or animal may be mistaken for an idol. I think that is B. S. and ridiculous. Are you drawing the animal or human to worship like an idol? I'm guessing the answer is no. So it's more about intention really. I draw humans all the time because I like art... no one has every said anything to me about it. I'm not Muslim anymore but I read the entire Quran and practiced most of my life... learned a lot about it so if you want to be really strict... yeah it's not permitted depending on the school of thought you follow.
It was forbidden at the begining of Islam because people were WORSHIPPING to them. It was days of Ignorance.
People believed ICONS. So to make it clear ; it was said all to arabic people; no more drawing no more icons. It was to stop them.
Now we are modern people. Who believes in Icons anymore?
Before believing something; think about it. Islam is an intelligent religion. Despite whatever they say; think about it. It has never been an ignorant religion. People make it ignorant by their nonsense behaviors.
I am Muslim myself. Just for your information.
nooo please allah hu akbar with me :O
how is it my opinion , the quran literally says that. It's stupid to think that even exists.
But the again muhammed couldn't write stuff so he had other people to write it. Perhaps some words got jumbled... I mean it's kinda hard to fuck a kid and convey the message of god at once? ! XD
@lightenup your a real peace of crap.
I'm not really sure but I've heard that drawing living things is haram. Praise be to Allah. He knows best. You really do not want to suffer the punishments for all eternity. Just to have fun for maybe about 60 years. (Average life span according to me)
I should really learn to take my own advice
Jesus said it is okay to draw animals as long as they are all boarding Noah's ark.
christianfunnypictures.com/.../...-ark-is-full.jpg
Yes, it's haram according to many Hadiths.
Aww I drew so many animals lol now I have to throw them away
Yes my intentions are always clear... i now Il find other things I can work on..
Thanks for answering your was most accurate.
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What isn't a sin in islam. Hell even when you poop you're supposed to face away from mecca.
But don't worry cuz beheading people, killing children and kidnapping and selling women is all ok in islam. So you can still have some fun.
Seriously, what the fuck is up with that religion? What isn't it a sin to do?
I don't think so.. keep on drawing what you like.. I really don't think it is that big of a deal to be called a sin..
Don't think you hurt the animal by drawing a person or animal. It is the opposite by drawing a persn or animal admire the creation and by that honor the creator.
Hey, according to Islam, even playing the piano is haram.
Really? Didn't know that
Music and instruments are haram. Why are you so passionate on learning new things about Islam just to hate Muslims more? Why do you hate everyone who doesn't agree with your beliefs and way of life?
@Candy12345 I don't hate Muslims. I disagree with Islam and the way it imposes itself upon the people who are persuaded to accept it as "the truth". I mean really, does knowing that it's haram (forbidden) to DRAW people, draw animals, play music, play instruments - make you think it's a religion that one ought to follow? Does it really add to your quality of life that numerous forms of artistic self-expression are forbidden for no valid reason?
This is what I hate asking any post about Islam people intend to make I complex... and @Mesonfielde just shut up if you don't have the correct answer to my question then don't bother answering.
I do have the correct answer.
Yes, yes it is a "sin".
Luckily, if you don't like it that way, you can always just accept the belief that "sin" itself doesn't exist, and "souls" don't exist, and you literally cannot be put into "hell" to "suffer for all eternity".
@mesonfeilde see? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Muslims choose to beleive this. It is their choice. If they're happy believing this then what is your problem? You have no business in our affairs. Just like we have no business in yours.
Yes... It does add to our way of life. It adds to our way of life because Music is corrupted now a days. Do you really want to hear about sex and money all day long? Do you really want your children to grow up thinking that sex and money is all there is to life And if they can't get it they're nothing? No. Do you really want to teach your kids that they can even be naked on the street because it's art? Really?
This question was directed at Muslims, so what are you even doing here? You're here just to hate and say something negative about our religion. (That you hate)
@Candy12345 She's obviously asking this question because she feels restricted in her self-expression through art.
Your claim about "music being corrupted" is based on a miniscule sample and is completely unreasonable, `music` in itself is just a series of notes and pauses, and does not inherently contain anything about sex nor money. in fact, you're speaking as if your parents had never had sex for you to start living, or if your existence wasn't funded with money - currency drives the economy, that is how you purchase essentials that allow you to live without growing your own bread..
If you tell me in this haram-music where a violin is played, where it actually contains anything about "sex" or "money", then I'll accept your opinion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyKceKLEBWo
And how drawing animals with a pencil and "being naked on the street" got linked together, I have no idea.
You want to teach children to believe there is nothing more in the world than what the Quran tells them is allowed, how is that any better?
Seriously gag sucks... i didn't even do anything wrong buy asking a damn question... people can be so off put...
No, you didn't do anything wrong, just like how I didn't do anything wrong by answering it.
Yes, drawing animals and drawing portraits of people is haram in Islam.
Yes, playing the piano or any other musical instrument is haram in Islam.
Yes, I can share my opinion on how I disagree with the necessity of forcing people to be prevented from self-expression through art.
Ofcourse you would disagree with certain traits in Islam cause your not muslim but how would you feel if we disagreed with things in your religion or if you belong to one... its all about respect man...
What the hell? You just twisted all of my words around... @yazanaa I agree. This question was not directed towards the likes of you.
Music is just notes and pauses, yes. But the lyrics that go along with it are so degrading. They are honestly so disgusting. All they talk about is a woman's ass, curves, boobs, etc.
I was actually talking about fornication and adultery. That's what almost all lyrics to every song talk about. adultery and fornication. Obviously my parents had sex to have me. By the way, I'm only talking about money because in this society... Most women don't want men who don't have money. It causes issues in the relationship.
Because you said art and freedom of expression. In today's society that means that people can be naked on the street even because of "freedom of expression". I never said that I only want to teach my kids ONLY the Quran. Don't twist my words around.
It's difficult to respect your beliefs when you don't even know nor understand why you have to follow them.
You might accept now that "drawing animals is bad", but why, and what do you gain from it?
Does it make you better as an individual that you now prohibit yourself from drawing animals?
Your beliefs are clearly not your own. My respect for it is irrelevant, the strange thing is that you're following it despite how you disagree with it - and that you think this ought to be respected. It feels like you're throwing your life away - even if this is probably the one and only one you have.
But hey, I guess it's your life, and not mine.
You can do whatever you want with it.
Or not, as it is indicated here. You're not actually doing with your life what you actually want.
That's why I disagree with all of this.
@Candy12345
"All they talk about is a woman's ass, curves, boobs, etc."
Yes, and every movie and book ever made is pornographic.
As I said, you are generalizing to the extremes. Not all songs with lyrics talk about porn, sex, money, etc.
If you're listening to mainstream shitty rap that uses that as its base, then of course that's what you'll find.
That however still doesn't prove that "all music is meant to be haram", which in the case of instrumental music, honestly makes zero sense.
@Candy12345 @YazanAA @Asker maybe one day you'll bother to understand what I said.
People usually say that religious folks force their beliefs and way of life on others, and aren't you now forcing your lack of religion and your disgusting way of life on us? You don't believe in God and that's your business BUT we do believe in God and the word "Muslim" means the one who submitted his will to the one and only God, so of course we are gonna follow what he told us to do and avoid what he told us to not do because we believe in him and we already submitted our will to him, but since you don't believe in God then you can't understand that, and honestly no one cares, just mind your own business and your own way of life and we will mind ours.
The asker simply wanted to know if drawing animals is a sin according to the Islamic teachings or not, she is not interested in your opinion about Islam and the Islamic teachings, and I'm also sure that she is not interested in your way of life.
@YazanAA I'm not sure I want to face the other way when I see self-imposed oppression.
Can some Muslim maybe just answer the question why making instrumental music (no lyrics!) is haram?
Well you see it as "self-imposed oppression" but we see it as submition to the one and only God that we believe in and we love, we are more than happy to follow the teachings of Islam because we do it in the name of loving God.
I can say the same thing about you, I can say that your lack of religion is "self-imposed oppression" because you don't believe in God and you will go to hell because of that, But of course you will disagree and you will call that "freedom" because you dont believe in God and hell, but same thing goes to us, we will disagree with your view because we do believe in God so we don't view it as self-imposed oppression.
In other words, no one cares about your opinion because everyone looks at it from a different angle.
@YazanAA I don't see how I'm imposing oppression on myself by NOT restricting myself based on a religious code that I don't believe in? I mean, you're essentially saying that the reason why it's oppression is because your deity will oppress me sometime down the future, but that's just the way these monotheistic religions make their believers validate their own beliefs. Currently, I'm not oppressed at all, beyond basic laws that serve to protect us and others, anyways.
@bubble_tea yeah, I'm curious to hear the answer to why making instrumental music (no lyrics) is haram too, so far, @Candy12345 and others have been avoiding that question. I wonder if they even have an answer?
Oh, I'm also interested in knowing if listening to music is haram too or is it just producing music? What about singing? Not sure if Muslim have something equal to Gospels, but those are hardly about sex and money.
Lol I really can't take you seriously anymore.
I already stated that:
- You think that following Islam is self-imposed oppression because it tells you what to do and not to do in your life ( your opinion) ... however the followers of Islam don't view it this way and they are happy about their decision of following Islam.
- I think that NOT following Islam is self-imposed oppression because you will go to hell if you don't follow Islam ( my opinion), however the people who don't follow Islam don't view it this way and they might be happy about their decision to not follow Islam.
So these are two opinion, one comes from the lack of believing in God, the other comes from the believing in God, you can't prove me wrong and I can't prove you wrong, so as a believer I'm not interested in your opinion telling me that following a religion is oppression. because I don't view it this way.
@bubble_tea about the prohibition of music,
1. Sometimes the lyrics are prohibited and sometimes they are not, it depends on what those lyrics are about, for example, if they are about sex, drugs, shaking butts or if they have bad words then they are haram, but for example if the lyrics are about mother, family, home.. etc then they are not prohibited.
2. The musical instruments are haram because we believe that they are the voice of the shaytan (Devil) and by listening to musical instruments, you are actually listening to the devil that wants to keep you away for the remembrance of Allah, as a Muslim, I'm supposed to read and love the Quran (which is the word of God) and my heart supposed to be fulfilled with love towards the Quran, so by listening to musical instruments, I'm fulfilling my heart with something from the devil which will make me stay away from the Quran.
@bubble_tea and in fact it happens with me a others, when I listen to music, I find myself remembering Allah much less and I also find myself forgetting some verses of the Quran.
But of course if you don't believe in Allah then you wouldn't believe that musical instruments are something from satan, but please remember, that those little beliefs come from the original belief of the existence of God, and once you believed in God and once you submitted your will to God then you will know that God knows what's better for us more than anyone else. So we will listen and follow God's word.
@YazanAA I see. If you think musical instruments are the voice of the Devil, it's understandable why they are forbidden. But what about people, non-Muslims and Muslims alike, who don't believe that it's the voice of the Devil and enjoy and play music? Should they be punished? Maybe you understand why some people are scared of what happens when Muslims take over secular countries. If there is punishment, it means the rights of secular people are taken away.
Whatever your just someone who can't respect one another if you can't learn that then luck @Mesonfielde... and buy the way I don't disagree on anyone's religion weather they are Hindu, Jewish or catholic christian I don't judge or disagree certain traits in anyone's believe... if you have anymore to say then that's just sad...
@Asker Religion is just a SET of beliefs, with a single term attributed to it. That doesn't make it sacred.
I could claim `child molestation isn't actually bad, because in some cases, the child actually enjoys it`. Should you respect my belief?
I could claim, `if a woman wears provocative clothing, then she deserves to be raped`. Should you respect my belief?
I could claim, `a woman who doesn't want to have children isn't actually a real woman.`. Should you respect my belief?
I could claim, `if a woman has sex with a man outside of her marriage, she deserves to be stoned to death`. Should you respect my belief?
Where do you draw the line?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6PPk2NOQXs
Just because you BELIEVE something, that just means you've accepted it as "true".
But that doesn't necessarily mean you're right. Dogmatic beliefs just prevent us from improving ourselves and looking for alternative means of approach a viewpoint.
Personally, I'll just go with what I had already said a while ago, here: www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1541865-do-you-think-we-should-respect-people-s-beliefs-even-if-they-are
@YazanAA Sad to hear that:
1.) you say instruments are bad because you think about anything else other than the Quran
2.) you say your religion is inherently oppressive, and non-believers are equally oppressed by your deity
But if you like being prevented from doing basic artistic things for the sake of getting a weird sense of superiority over those who are so stupid that they'd rather burn in hell than just follow a thousand simple rules, then carry on, it's your life, not mine. But my opinion on this matter is unchanged, in fact, more rigid than ever before.
@buble_tea no one should be punished for listening to music (Muslims or non-Muslims), I'm not sure from where did you get that idea. Listening to music is a sin yes, but not all sins in Islam have punishment in this life, in fact most sins don't. And even the ones that have, people shouldn't be punished for committing them under these circumstances that we have nowadays.
Opinion owner: can you be be that pathetic? Seriously talking to you is just like talking to a wall, you are putting words in my mouth and you are unable to understand a very simple logic,
You said: "you say instruments are bad because you think about anything else other than the Quran"
I never said that, I'm saying that music is bad because it's from the devil according to our beliefs, I didn't say that anything which is not Quran then it's bad, an anatomy book is not Quran, but it's not bad either.
You said: "you say your religion is inherently oppressive"
I never said that either, don't put words in my mouth, it's you who says that and that's your opinion which is meaningless for a Muslim, because from a Muslim point of view, we are more than happy to follow Islam, in fact we consider ourselves to be lucky for that. I truly feel sorry for you for not believing in God and, but yeah, this is just my opinion that you disagree with and that fine. I'm not forcing my beliefs on you.
You said: "just follow a thousand simple rules, then carry on, it's your life, not mine. But my opinion on this matter is unchanged, in fact, more rigid than ever before."
1. I and most Muslims are proud to follow these rules that we believe in.
2. The last thing I care about is changing your opinion, I'm clearly not trying to do that here, it's you who is trying to force your opinion on us, what I'm doing here is showing you that no Muslim cares about your opinion and we didn't ask for it, for us spits meaningless, this is what I'm doing.
3. We didn't you tell yourself that form the beginning, "then carry on, it's your life, not mine" ... Seriously we didn't you say that to yourself before coming to this question, because clearly, we are carrying on and we are aware that it's our life not yours, we understand that from the beginning, it's you who came here to criticize the teachings of Islam when in reality no one asked you about your opinion, the question is simply not for you.
Why* didn't you... Not we.
@bubble_tea I answered your question above ^ I just misspelled your username.
@YazanAA *sigh* considering you're proud of following a set of rules that you don't even necessarily understand why it's imposed on you, no wonder terrorism is most common in your religion.
Whatever. Do whatever you guys want. If you're proud to be controlled externally just so you'll get to call yourself a term that has a negative connotation in most parts of the world, then go for it. I'll probably never understand what you gain from it, as you have to be a believer of the afterlife to see a reward from your actions. And as someone who believes souls don't exist, and thus no afterlife exists, this is completely unreasonable to me.
*sigh* considering that you don't even know anything about Islam and considering you are ignorant enough to a point that you are just looking for anything to start an irrelevant argument and considering that you can't give an opinion that is only related to the question, no wonder why you are so pathetic and no wonder why I can't take you seriously anymore.
@bubble_ tea we don't want to take over your countries anyway? Infact, we want you out of our countries just like you want us out of yours. and obviously since you're not Muslim we don't want to punish you. What the hell? The ignorance... You're not Muslim so we have no business in your affairs and we will not punish you for anything. You have no business in our affairs either.
@Mesonfielde I was out shopping. (You said you were wondering why i was avoiding it. I wasn't) And I don't really need to join in on a discussion when I have a life to live.
By the way, not once did I say that your beleifs were wrong. Did I? No. You said mine were wrong though. That just proves that you have no respect for other religions.
Which is what I was trying to tell you with my first comment on this opinion.
@Candy12345 Religion is just a SET of beliefs, with a single term attributed to it. That doesn't make it sacred.
I could claim `child molestation isn't actually bad, because in some cases, the child actually enjoys it`. Should you respect my belief?
I could claim, `if a woman wears provocative clothing, then she deserves to be raped`. Should you respect my belief?
I could claim, `a woman who doesn't want to have children isn't actually a real woman.`. Should you respect my belief?
I could claim, `if a woman has sex with a man outside of her marriage, she deserves to be stoned to death`. Should you respect my belief?
Where do you draw the line?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6PPk2NOQXs
Just because you BELIEVE something, that just means you've accepted it as "true".
But just because you think it's true, it doesn't mean I need to respect it if I disagree with it.
We don't say it's okay to believe things that support racism either.
Personally, I'll just go with what I had already said a while ago, here: www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1541865-do-you-think-we-should-respect-people-s-beliefs-even-if-they-are
I'm Not interested in what you have to say/think.
Goodbye
@Candy12345 maybe one day you'll understand, too
Dude I got two words *screw you*... people like you are ridicules just plain silly...
@YazanAA
Where I got that idea from? From reading stories of an Afghan women in burqa being beaten up by a mob for wearing white shoes and an Afghan woman getting stones thrown at her for wearing a ridiculous armour. It does make me wonder what will be punished in this life and what will not. Maybe you and people you know wouldn’t do that, but others would and nobody would reprimand them and they wouldn’t get punished like those men won’t get punished.
Maybe you say those are radicals, so they don’t count, but it happened in Iran when it was taken over and women had to start wearing headscarfs. They even created a special police to reprimand the women who don’t follow their rules.
In Egypt, reportedly even women who wear niqabs are sexually harassed, because those harassers think a woman in a tight niqab is asking for it. Those guys who openly admit to such behaviours will also likely not get punished for it.
@YazanAA
So please tell me that the media is wrong and nothing like this happens in countries with Muslim rulers?
https://youtu.be/GH2I7snwCJk
@Candy12345
Are you the girl from Qatar? Calm down. If you don’t want foreigners in your countries, maybe you should stop hiring them lol and also not bid to host the football world cup in your country xD I mean that’s kind of begging for tourists.
But thank you, I’m glad to know those future football tourists are not going to get punished for doing what they always do during a football tournament ^^
@bubble_tea so you gave me 3 or 4 examples of people who happened to be Muslims and who do bad things, to be honest with you, I can give you hundreds of these examples, I do not deny that there's bad Muslims, but why do we have to make these people represent Islam? That's the problem, there's a huge difference between what a religion teaches and what some people who to belong to this religion do.
Now you say that an Afghan woman was beaten up for wearing a white shoes, let's say it's true, but ask yourself this, is there any teaching in the Quran or the sunnah that says to beat up women who wear white shoes? No, there's not.
Is there a teaching in Islam that says to stone women who wear armour? No
Is there a teaching in Islam that says to sexually harass women with niqab? No
Is there a teaching in Islam that says to punish those who listen to music? No
So when I answered your question, I answered it according to what Islam teaches not according to what some Muslims do.
@bubble_tea and by the way, there's no such country that practices the real Islamic sharia, if by Islamic country you mean a country that fully practices Islamic laws then you have to understand that this country doesn't exist nowadays.
@YazanAA
I know that already. This critique isn’t going again the Quran, but the people who call themselves Muslims. Don’t you think the Muslims who want to take over the world are the same Muslims who are ok if women get harassed for wearing what they want to wear and ok with street harasser not going to jail or fined?
People are not scared of peaceful Muslims. They are scared of the Muslims I mentioned in my previous comment who forcefully gain access to power to impose their own set of right or wrong on others and other people are forced to go along with it to not get harmed.
Those bad Muslims I mentioned, do they get to trial? Most likely not. It doesn’t matter if you say the Egyptian government is not practicing real Islamic sharia, it matters what the Egyptian men are allowed to do or at least get away with and what Egyptian women are forced to do or endure. Most likely the good Muslims keep their mouths shut to not be the next target of the mobsters.
@bubble_tea I'm not sure how many people are ok with that, but hypothetically speaking, let's say that the people who think this way will rule the world then of course it would be a disaster, a disaster for us Muslims more than you non-Muslims. I mean but let's just ask ourselves this question, how many Muslims are ok with women who wear niqab being sexually harassed? I can ensure you that they are no wear near 0.00001% of the Muslims population, and I'm sure that they will never rule the world.
In fact, if extremists rule the world then it would be a mess regardless of what religious beliefs those extremists has.
@YazanAA
Are rich Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait and Qatar doing something against ISIS? I’m sure they had the means to contract tons of soldiers for hire if they wanted if they feared the radicals that much.
I just know that they feel safe enough to give an interview here and it sounds like a group activity and they always hang out at the same spot, so kinda a lot are okay since they don’t need to hide?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19440656
and here it shows they get to walk free
„Ultimately the attacker was arrested and charged with assault. But the prosecution released him before trial. He was tried in absentia, and found guilty. To this day he walks free.
El-Gueretly is frustrated that despite the court order, her attacker remains at large, and the verdict hasn't been implemented.
''They (the authorities) are telling women 'you're on your own,' and they're saying to the harassers 'we're not going to punish you,''' she said.“
edition.cnn.com/.../
@bubble_tea and is Islam blamed for that? In fact, if there were a real Islamic country then those things will never happen, unfortunately the Arabian governments are dictatorial, they don't expect criticism from the ordinary people. so I'm not sure what can the regular people do. Of course these people must be punished, im not sure why they don't. But then again that's not islam's fault and this is what people have to understand, why do we have to blame the bad things that happens in the Middle East on Islam? Islam doesn't really teach terrorism. The Egyption government is really really bad, and this is why the political and social situations in Egypt are fucked up nowadays.
@bubble_tea and about ISIS, it's really hard to fight ISIS for 2 reasons:
1. You don't know who they are or where they are or from where do they come from, You kill some of them, then you realize that there are others who came from no where, it's an ideology and that's the problem.
2. There's some people behind ISIS and support them who are really more powearful than any other Arabian country. It's all about politics, you don't know how these dirty games are being played.
@YazanAA
I repeat, I blame the people who allow that kind of government to rule and allow those people to get away with it. Although, I just came across this MHO including this video of a Morrocan who says it is the Quran to blame, and ISIS is actually following everything the Quran says to a T. www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1581199-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace-agree-or-disagree
by the way I thought you knew who they are since they are fighting in Syria?
@bubble_tea and I repeat, the people can't help with the government, the Arabian governments are so dictatorial and the last thing they care about is their people, so you can't blame someone that can't do anything about these situations.
And in fact, ISIS might be everywhere, it's very hard to fight them when they have a very big support behind them, think about it, who's s more powerful, the USA or the Arabian governments? Of course the USA but it seems that they can't get ride or them or, don't want to get ride of them.
And about the link that you gave me, well actually it's very ironic that the guy who speaks is a Christian, I mean, seriously, has he ever read the verses in his bible that talks about apostasy punishment, adultery punishment, homosexuality punishment, slavery and many many more? it's better for him to do that before attacking Islam.
and honestly that guy in the video is a very famous hater of Islam, he always takes verses from the Quran out of context.
@bubble_tea one of the most important things to understand the Quran is to understand something called "asbab al-nuzul" which means "circumstances of revelation" read here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbab_al-nuzul ... Anyone who wants to attack Islam can easily quote the verse that says "kill them whenever you find them" and say "oh, look Islam tells its followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim" while in reality if you look at the full context of that passage and if you look at the circumstances of revelation of that verse, you will realize that it was directed to only a group of people who were being attacked by some people who have happened to be non-Muslims, the verse is talking about self defense read here discover-the-truth.com/.../
And this is what that guy always do, he take passages out of context to make a point against Islam.
In fact, no where in the Quran does it say that Muslims must kill non-Muslims for just being non-Muslims, in fact, the verses only takes about self-defense in events that happened in the past.
@bubble_tea it's mentioned in no less than 200 places in the Quran that everyone has the freedom to believe in whatever they want.
@bubble_tea have you ever read the Quran? No. Then how can you say that ISIS is Islam just based on the opinions of others? ... Oh yeah, you've no opinions of your own most likely and you follow what other people say. You follow the opinions of people who are uneducated low lifes who beleive everything they see in the media. The media just selectively shows what it likes.
So basically. If the majority of people in the USA are Christians. if a Christian does something wrong Then his religion isn't blamed because we all know that the person is a criminal and mentally not okay. We do not condemn Christianity just because one/some of them are bad. Then why do we condemn Islam? Because the media selectively shows what it wants (bad things about Islam) and people are too lazy to actually educate themselves and read the whole Quran to actually know what it means. Just because some people are bad doesn't mean that the religion is bad.
It's just like this: (pretend this is a movie clip)
What the media shows: "I want you"
The actual movie line: "I want you to stop."
No one thinks that the KKK are representatives of Christians so then why do people think that ISIS are representatives of Islam? Because of the media. lost sheep always beleive what they see on it. Without trying to seek and aquire true knowledge/facts for themselves. They just beleive what they're told. It's a sad life really. (Which most of you live)
@Candy12345 Islam is blamed for it as the members of ISIS identify with a certain school of Islam. That, and I'm pretty sure I haven't heard of "extremist Christians" in a long time, or "extremist Jainist", or "extremist Buddhist". Yet, "extremist Muslims" are everywhere.
I mean really, who are you to say that members of ISIS are "not real Muslims" if that is what they identify as?
And how do you know if your best friend isn't an ISIS symphatizer if all you know is that they "identify as Muslims"?
Can you really say they aren't muslims if they support male genital mutilation, stoning people to death for adultery/fornication, or say women are worth half of a man and should be treated as such? What would you be basing it on?
@YazanAA
Actually, they can. Ever heard of the Arab Spring, the French Revolution or other revolutions? Hitler was a dictator and got stopped by foreigners in a war, but you don’t want foreigners mingling with your affairs.
I think it’s weird to imagine the USA that is mostly Christian wants Islam to spread. It’s more likely that they’re being nice to their Arabian Allies , because they depends on their oil and the rich conservative people in those Arab countries (not the government) are funding ISIS. After all Wahhabism started in Saudi Arabia and spread to other countries with the help of Saudi charities. They have more interest in becoming the main branch of Islam than anyone else.
Well, he’s a former Muslim and converted to Christianity. I do know of those passages, and yes it’s ironic (I guess some people just can’t live without a God), but you do know that every Christian does not believe in those punishments anymore, but there are still Muslims out there who believe in it?
@THAT is the only thing that needs to change for Islam to be just another religion.
Right now, Muslims are not uniting to fight against Muslim extremists, and from the sound of it, it’s not going to happen anytime soon. Nazis weren’t stopped by Muslims, but other Christians. KKK weren’t stopped by Muslims, but other Christians. @Candy12345 Nobody thinks the KKK are representatives of Christians? Who says that? I absolutely think they are representatives, albeit from another era. And of course, you're not reading or watching any news yourself, because the media is evil. You only trust what you can see with your own eyes, and right now ISIS is not where you live so you can't know for sure if they call themselves Muslims.
@bubble_tea I'm not sure if you are aware that 220,000 Syrians have been killed since 2011 because they are trying to get ride of their dictator Bashar Al-Assad and nowadays we have 9 million Syrian refugees because of that. The revolutions that you are talking about are actually happening in the Arab world, but it's not easy to get ride of a regime that has been there for many many years in one day and one night, it takes a lot of time and a lot of blood and it may or may not succeed.
ISIS are indeed supported and were created by a higher power than any other Arabin government, America doesn't want to spread Islam, it wants to destroy islam by creating ISIS and their likes so people can think that ISIS are Islam (in fact they are not) but once people assumed that, no one will blame the USA for anything they do in the Middle East because people think that they are fighting the "terrorists" ... But don't worry, once they have no benefit from their existence, they will get ride of IS.
@bubble_tea in fact, when a Christian attacks Islam, I find it very ironic and I always suggest them to read their bible first before attacking anyone, you say they don't believe in those commandments and I can tell you that they believe in them without even realizing that, of course they will tell you that they don't believe in them so they won't get criticized but actually they say that the bible is the word of God and they say that they follow what Jesus taught, yet (according to my experience with them) most of them have never read the bible and most of them don't even know what Jesus taught, because if they do know then they wouldn't say such thing as "we are not supposed to follow the laws anymore" and "Jesus has destroyed the old laws when he died of the cross" ... completely BS because Jesus says in the New Testament that people must follow and practices every single one of those laws for the last day on earth. Read (Matthew 5:17-20).
@bubble_tea are you kidding me? ISIS is not in my country, yes. That doesn't change the fact that they threatened it. The threats need to be taken seriously. I'm visiting my grandparents for the summer and ISIS has also threatened this country. In fact, there are army soldiers posted around every corner to protect the people from ISIS attacks. ISIS even tried to bomb a mosque not even 20 minutes away. Do you really think it's not happening in front of my eyes?
Don't talk about things you have no knowledge of.
@YazanAA
Of course it takes longer than one day and one night, but don’t you agree that it might happen considerably faster if Arab people unite and help out and don’t sit back and wait until they arrive at your own country?
You can say America created ISIS, but the people joining ISIS are Muslims and they are citing the Quran before they kill someone or justify their murders, so excuse me, it’s hard to believe those people behind ISIS aren’t Muslims, but hired military trained actors who can speak Arabic that well.
I do think the US have no business in the Middle East, but you only gain more support that they should leave if people can see that the Middle East are helping themselves and fighting the evil people even if it’s not their country they are fighting for.
@YazanAA
Hahaha, even what you said was true, don’t you agree it’s actually a good thing that they largely don’t obey their holy book that literally like ISIS does? And remember what you said to me before about the Quran passages, everything should be interpreted with a context, so it’s kind of weird that you tell them to take their book literally, while you don’t think you should take yours literally ;)
@bubble_tea that's just hypothetical speaking, who knows? I mean, again, the Syrian people were united when they decided to get ride of their dictator and unfortunately, they were also united when Bashar Al-Assad slaughtered them. Same thing happened/is happening in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Yemen And many areas.
And believe it or not, ISIS are not Muslims and ISIS are funded by the American government, who knows what they are planning to do and which country are they planning to invade next? I mean, you said that ISIS are muslims and they cite verses from the Quran before killing people, well this is what it meant to look like for you and for other misguided and brainwashed sheeps of the media, all of that in the purpose to think that this is the real Islam (it's not). Same thing America did with all-Qaida before they invaded Iraq, Hell, even 75 of the top American professors and leading scientists said that 9/11 was an inside job to justify the invasion and the crimes of the USA gov.
@bubble_tea your 2nd comment is a disaster lol, because you think that you got a point, while in fact you completely missed the point of I have said.
1. I didn't say that I want the Christians to take their book literally (it's their Jesus who does), I have no benefit from that, but my actual point is, you showed me a video of a Christian attacking the teachings of Islam and claiming that ISIS is the best example of Islam, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy and the irony of that because if we are gonna talk about punishments, killing and sex slavery then no one can beat their teachings with that.
2. I have never said that I don't want to take the Quran literally, in fact I and most Muslims will take it literally for the last day of our life. But now of course the first 1st that may come to your mind is "oh so you wanna take the Quran literally? Then are you planning to kill all non-Muslims?" Lol of course no, talking the Quran literally doesn't mean killing all non Muslims at all.
@bubble_tea no where in the Quran it does say that we must kill all non-Muslims, that's a big false claim, yes there are some verses in the Quran that talk about killing a GROUP of disbelievers, but those verses are limited with their historical context that happened in the past, these people weren't killed because they are non-Muslims, they were killed because they were fighting and killing people who are Muslims. But again those verses are not telling me or anyone to kill all non-Muslims, in fact, as I said before, in no less than 200 places in the Quran, it talks about the freedom of belief. you said ISIS are taking the Quran literally, well I really wonder if they do take those 200 places in the Quran literally when they kill innocent people, I really wonder if they take the Quran literally when they pray in different directions. Go read the verses and the Hadiths that I mentioned here www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1581199-islam-is-a-religion-of-peace-agree-or-disagree
And then come back and tell me if ISIS are taking the Quran literally or not.
@YazanAA
„you and for other misguided and brainwashed sheeps of the media“
Is the name calling necessary? And where do you get your world news from, your Imam or do you have people you trust with your life in ever country who keeps you up to date with their objective recounts of what they have actually seen with their own eyes and not what the read or heard in the news?
„even 75 of the top American professors and leading scientists said that 9/11 was an inside job“
So where did you learn that from if not from the media?
Actually, those Matthew verses can be interpreted either way as you can read on wikipedia.
@YazanAA
I really don’t know in which direction ISIS members pray I give you that. But it’s not just ISIS. It’s also those Arab men who harass women for not dressing the way they find acceptable and deserving it for going around without male family members to protect them. It’s Arab men who find it perfectly ok to murder someone for burning the Quran. Have you ever seen someone being murdered for burning the Bible? It’s also Arab men who find it perfectly ok to execute someone for apostasy and other silly things. They all find their justifications to do so in …where?
@bubble_tea I truly didn't mean it in an insulting or a name calling way, by "sheeps" I mean "followers", it's actually a common used term in the bible lol, but seriously I didn't meant it that way you think.
You have to excuse me, but honestly if you think that ISIS are Muslims or practicing the real Islam then I have to say that the chance you are brainwashed by the media is huge.
And about from where I got my news from? Well there's a difference between the sincere media and the biased one that has nothing better to do than trying to convince us that ISIS are practicing the real Islam.
@bubble_tea and about Matthew verses, here's what the Wikipedia page of Matthew 5:17 also says "In this verse the Gospel of Matthew directly counters these views by insisting the old laws such as the Ten Commandments are still valid. France notes that "law and prophets" was a common expression for the entirety of what Christians today call the Old Testament, though it more correctly refers to the Mosaic Law and Neviim, see Biblical Canon"
@bubble_tea coming to your second comment, well actually it's a very known fact that all Muslims in the world pray to one direction that we call "qibla" which is toward Al-Kaaba in Mekka. however ISIS decided to pray in different directions, I wonder why? Because they are true Muslims and they know something about Islam right? The irony.
And honestly I'm not sure where are you trying to get here? Are you gonna mention every single bad act an Arab or a Muslim did in the history just to make a point? things like this happens everywhere, bad people are everywhere, and guess what? Arabs and Muslims are people too (shocking right) and they are not perfect. But the main point is, I'm not sure why we have to attack the religion of Islam for that.
Look at the countries with the highest rape crimes, www.wonderslist.com/.../
I see no Arab countries here, are we gonna generalize and say that all men from those countries are rapists? Of course no, but this is what some do when Arabs or Muslims do bad acts.
@YazanAA
Maybe you shouldn’t call people brainwashed for watching the world news. It makes it sound like you prefer the people who do not care about world news at all and only watch celebrity news or youtube videos about their favourite hobbies or interests. People who live in their own bubbles.
No, there is no difference if you say people are brainwashed by media. Maybe you should in future say brainwashed by 'mainstream media', then it would make more sense since you also seem to be following some kind of media and I don’t see you calling yourself brainwashed.
Maybe you should also include how your mainstream media portrays the western countries and see if we call you brainwashed or not.
Yeah, but it also says „The antinomian viewpoint holds that, because Jesus accomplished all that was required by the law, thus fulfilling it, he made it unnecessary for anyone to do anything further.“
@YazanAA
I knew they are supposed to pray towards Mekka, I’m asking you how do you know they are not? Did you see them praying in the wrong direction? How did you determine that they did it wrong? Do you carry a compass with you that points towards Mekka instead of the North Pole at all times?
I’m also not sure what you’re not understanding. Did I say I don’t like all Muslims, because I gave example from certain Muslim countries? Do you see me say anything against Muslims in Indonesia or Malaysia or anywhere else? Is it not allowed to say you don’t like a certain kind of Muslims who do take their holy book a little too seriously? Please answer this question, are you saying the people in Saudi Arabia are not true Muslims either?
@YazanAA
Oh and before you say anything.. by 'too seriously' I mean 'applying everything out of context'.
@bubble_tea please don't twist my words, I didn't say "if you watch the world news then you are brainwashed by the media" i said "if you think that ISIS practice the real Islam then the chance that you are being brainwashed by the media that tries to convince us that ISIS are practicing real Islam is huge" call it mainstream media or call it whatever you want, it doesn't matter because I think my point is very clear. another possibility might be that you don't understand the teachings of Islam, but I didn't say that if you watch the world news then you are brainwashed, I watch the the world news too but I don't necessary believe everything I hear about other people around the world and the stereotypes that are being made about them, you know, sometimes the media and the movies shows black people who live in America as nothing more than uneducated criminals who belong to gangs and will kill you and steal your money, of course I'm sane enough to know that this is a massive generalization
Bubble_tea And actually It might mean that he make it clear for everyone that no need for anyone to fulfill the law but he is also clearly asking them to follow and practiced those laws, he said "Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
Actually Jesus said that the one who will destroy the law will be called "the least", and actually the one who destroyed the law is Paul, and Paul admitted that he is the least and even some Christian scholars do realize that watch this video, it explains it all https://youtu.be/-_ZIzJKXbzE
@bubble_tea I have nothing against Christians but my main point though, if a fellow Christian decided to attack Islam then I really want some humility from them because quite honestly, throw out the history people were killed in the name of Christianity more than any other faith, hell, even George W Bush (a Christian) himself said when he invaded Iraq for oil which caused the killing of 1.5 million civilians, he said "God told me to invade Iraq". So again, I want some humility from the Christians because I'm not gonna take lessons of peace from their leaders.
@bubble_tea And about from where did I know that they pray in different directions, well as you can see here, everyone of them pray in a different direction than the other and this not how Muslims pray together.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9RfFJgIQAA0DYy.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1iuCqzIMAAYNW5.jpg
This is how Muslims are supposed to pray together
i.telegraph.co.uk/.../prayer_1502370c.jpg
All of them must be in one direction which is Mekka.
@bubble_tea Actually I didn't say that you dislike all Muslim, I'm just wondering where are you trying to get by mentioning all of these things that people who have happened to Muslims do? Of course you are allowed to dislike the bad Muslims, and I will join you with that too, but you don't have to dislike them for being Muslims or Arabs, you do have to dislike them for their acts that don't always represent Islam or the Islamic teachings. You dislike them for their ignorant mentally. And yes Saudi Arabian are Muslims but not everything they do is inspired by Islam. Hard to understand? I mean seriously, when they don't allow women to drive, it's damn wrong and I see no reason for that. But that's the Saudi Arabian government's problem not Islam's problem.
You have to understand the difference between:
- a religion and a government.
- a religion and a culture
- a religion and a terrorist group
- the teachings of a religion and the acts of some people who belong to this religion.
@YazanAA the laws and government of Saudi Arabia are based on the principals of Islam though, and impose Sharia as it is based on the teachings of the Quran...
Opinion owner: not really, there's no country nowadays that practice the real sharia law, I wonder if there's a law in sharia that prevents women from driving and voting, or prevent women from leaving their home alone, although I heard that "women are not allowed to leave their home alone in Saudi Arabia" is just a typical stereotype. I heard that from a Saudi Arabian girl, but even if it's true then it's still a Saudi Arabian law not an Islamic law, but with whom am I talking? I mean, I'm sure that there's something in the back of your head telling you "no no, it's Islamic".. That's ok, but your ignorance is non of my business.
I don't know what's wrong with you people but this I the longest thread ever!!!
@YazzanAA good take on this argument *thumbs up*...
Yeah, people give up themselves for the hope of an afterlife...
Ah will you shut up @Mesonfielde.
What? It is true.
Shut that god damn hole in your face @Mesonfielde
Denial won't get you anywhere. But okay.
Dumbass...
Don't worry, I don't hate people for letting themselves be controlled - some people make this mistake, they think I hate everyone who's religious. But that is not true at all, I just hate the religions themselves for providing a false answer to people's questions, and manipulate them into doing things that are not necessary. Like genital mutilation (circumcision), for example. I'm typically neutral towards people, and I'm slightly wary of those who obey a religion that tells them to stone people to death; but even they get a chance, it's just a precaution, really.
Look Islam is not what you think it is people intend to edit things a lot like what you see in the news or read in the paper we are not what appears in the news or stories...
If you don't like religion good for you then...
I wonder why it is mostly Islamic perpetrators who cut off people's hands with swords and attack random sunbathing women in the park for "wearing immoral clothing", then.
Because those people are uneducated and live in third world countries (poor countries) were there I lack of civilization and education...
It modern non poor Islamic countries those things don't happen... maybe if you actually travelled around the world or pick up a book you could understand this...
Maybe the cause of their lack of education and still being part of the third world is clinging to traditional values because it is mandatory according to their religion, which is Islam?
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Like I said what appears in news and stories isn't revelent media intends to over act on Islam... its just a stereotype type thing now...
I haven't heard of "honor killings" in any non-Islamic place or family.
I know but what can we say those people are crazy but those things they do isn't according to what's written in the Quran... its a shame actually...
Yes, I believe it's anything with a soul.
What about insects? Like butterflies
I think so I don't remember why
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