Turns out that bone structure has a lot to do with how attractive a guy can be. So if this can work & be successful, should most incels invest in surgery to give them a better chance with women?
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Just to clarify, I know that attitude & personality is important. Not gonna exclude that. But if surgery can help an incel who is ugly & can benefit from having better looks & having more success with women, then I don't see the problem. Looks matter a lot, yet when people want to take alternatives to fix the hidrance that effects their dating life, it's looked down upon
I think anyone that is not having success with relationships (not just sex) should use every means at their disposal to become a higher value person. Dress better, better haircut, learn more, make more money, workout, get in shape, put yourself in social situations, whatever.
Sure, surgery is an option, but it seems like an extreme one and probably not necessary in most cases.
Dating problems are primarily in your head. Most INCELS just lack confidence. Women will date ugly guys all the time, but these guys THINK they are ugly so they lack confidence. If plastic surgery helps them get over that, it will probably work.
So many women against plastic surgery it’s kind of shocking. Men go out natural, what you see is what you get. Women get to contour and wear make up etc. So being judgmental because a guy may want plastic surgery is ridiculous to me.
The reality is that ugly men don’t get laid. It’s the truth, so if you have money to do something that will make you look better and enhance your looks - please do it! I don’t see the downside.
Not really... ugly guys with money get laid. Ugly guys that are poor have been given this new “incels” name. Lmao. With all the social media apps there’s no reason why an average girl would sleep with an ugly guy. They can just swipe right on someone else. Life is really hard for ugly men that don’t have money.
Thank you. Someone who knows what's up. If you can look better to go after the kind if person you want, there's nothing wrong with giving surgery a try to meet those standards
you are pathetic. are you saying girl want either money from guys or a surgically altered face? that's fucked up. ''ugly'' guys can change and become attractive without surgery. surgery will just fuck up their face. and the fact that they are stupid enough to do it will make them even more unattractive. everyone has different standards. people are brainwashed by the media thinking there is one type of face that is attractive. I see the askers age is still very young, believe me your face is still changing, go out there and do whatever you can without the ridiculous surgery. go to gym, improve yourself in every way you can without mutilating yourself and you will see eventually how stupid the thought of surgery was. watch the people around you. so many girls are with so called ''ugly'' guys because they have so much else to offer aside of symmetrical face and money. idiots.
@Valiant then something is wrong with the woman. Men that look like that first picture don’t get laid. It’s not about being superficial it’s about attraction. I can’t get wet with a guy that looks like that he looks like one of the guys from the hills have eyes 👀
I have seen a bunch of men that are that ugly and I live in Miami where the majority of the people are decent looking. When I get into the Midwest 🤢 every other person is ugly AND fat like science fiction fat. The type that you have to roll up the stomach to see their dick. 🤮 I would just make it mandatory that if you can’t see your dick or pussy from the mirror they take you for a gastric bypass followed by a tummy tuck. All insurances should pay for it and call it a day.
I didn’t say people aren’t ugly. I said having a sloping, shrunken caved in face like that is extremely unusual and I don’t know a single man who looks like that
I'm talking about guys who are ugly due to a genetic problem that negatively effects their faces. Women aren't going to give them a chance. That's just how humans are. So like I've been saying, if surgery could help these guys meet those standards they don't meet, then I'm all for them getting surgery to make themselves look better. Girls care about looks just as much as guys do. So they should get surgery while also working on their personalities to increase their chances with girls.
And usually those ugly guys with girls have high status or have a lot of money. When you have a lot of money that can get them laid. But if they want to attract women without money, then they need to alter their looks.
not many people have such ridiculous standards that every inch of the face has to be perfect. they care to be ATTRACTED to a person, not their symmetry. if they care about how symmetrical some part of the face is when there are tons of other qualities in that guy that are attractive, she is fcked in the head. guy in the first pic is photoshopped lol and still he is not even ugly. the way his face looks from the front is WAY different and there is nothing wring with it. you are still missing the point. a guys jaw or his nose is perhaps 2% of what can make a guy attractive. why are you focusing on what you lack when you can improve other areas so much that many girls will love you? and let me repeat, you don't need surgery, there are healthier ways to improve jaw. as for the nose big ones on men are better than small ones, they are masculine and give the face more character. @Alwaysthinking14 you are pathetic lol. if the only way you are attracted to a guy is if he has some basic face with nothing standing out that fits into some standard I feel sad for you. and girls who go out with ''ugly'' guys, perhaps those guys are ugly to you. we all have our own standards. and those guys have so much more to offer than money or being photogenic. too bad you will never know what that is about.
@Porcelaine it is what it is. You’re attracted to who your attracted to. Not everyone has low standards and that’s ok. My boyfriend is handsome, funny and a genuinely nice guy with an amazing body. He’s everything... and I don’t settle for anything less and I don’t think anyone should either. Looks DO matter and everyone that sits here and says it doesn’t are hypocrites.
everyone wants to find their SO attractive, that's only natural. only vain ones have some stupid standards where attraction is not enough, they also want to be looking at them like a pretty picture. people like that never have lasting relationships because their priorities are fcked up. looks matter to an extent. the ones who say they don't are attracted to different things.
For most people though it matters. And the first step of getting your foot in the door is to be attractive to someone. If incels want better chances especially with a above Average women, then surgery is their best bet. It can realistically increase their chances of getting someone interested. Of course they have to work on their personalities, but they'll be attractive enough to get their foot in the door.
1) I would like to say that not all incels are bad. There are those who dwell in a realistic realm and simply want someone they deem attractive, not a bombshell. For those wo/men, I feel horrible for them.
2) The incels you describe are those who I wouldn't care about it. If they want to go after 10s and their main goal is to smash, then they should definitely continue on their path of self-destruction. I encourage that.
I'm saying their thought process, the ludicrous amounts of money to spend (and possible debt) etc. for purely selfish irrational and unrealistic reasons is destructive. If they don't wish to listen, then I feel that they deserve all that pain. They brought it on themselves (Elliot Rodgers for example).
It's actually hard to judge which guy is more handsome from those profile views. And actually, studies have shown that lots of women prefer a "pretty boy" kind of face - that explains the popularity of people like Brad Pitt or Zac Efron (the latter really is not my thing!).
I read some of those studies as well. I recall one postulating that this possibly do to the effemination of men. Would have been more note worthy if studies such as these would have been done prior to the 80's to get a better idea if whether this is a developing trend or a norm.
You can achieve this simply with proper tongue posture. ESPECIALLY if you're under 25. Though, us older folks can benefit from it, too.
Surgery can't really change facial structure. Bones are difficult to change. But, check out "mewing", coined by Dr. Mike Mew. It's kinda crazy. If you're younger than 25, you can get massive results just by keeping your molars lightly in contact and.
Sounds like total bullshit, but it's not. Check out how tribal humans have perfect teeth, and how they don't have crooked teeth or collapsed arches and a lot more defined, forward and up facial structure.
@SomeGuyCalledTom Indeed. My comment ignored that, as my comment was in reference to literally everyone, including incels. Well, everyone except people older than 50, whose skull sections have fused together already.
Ugh just invest in being a better person. Ugly people get laid all the time. Incels are incels because they think they are owed sex and when they don't get it they decide it's because women are shallow, rather than figuring out what it is about them that is off putting. You could be the sexiest man alive but if you very clearly hate women, no one will fuck you
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Big misconception about incels again. Why am I not surprised
Absolutely not. Plastic surgery would make him an incel for life for being so insecure and obsessed with looks. You wanna be a slayer? Work on your confidence and self esteem. Look around, the guys who are the most successful with women or other areas don't always have the prettiest faces. Looks aren't as vital to get a partner as they are to women. Men are very visual. Women appreciate other qualities more. Besides there are facial exercises to improve how your face looks. As you grow older and bigger your face still grows and jaw expands. Working out makes a big difference. Low body fat makes everything look more defined. And I think it actually grows the face in some ways, all the men gym queens I see they have massive jaws.
That's crap. If the dating works, looks are essential for getting anywhere with a girl. So if surgery could enhance an incels looks & get them a better shot with females, then I don't see anything wrong with that. I would recommend it if they really wanted to attract women
@nathanp97 I feel the same way of women getting surgery. Looks are not as essential as you think. clearly you have no idea how attraction works. you are using male logic, MEN are the ones who NEED for the woman to have a symmetric face. women want a good looking man, but the things that make him attractive are not the same like for girls. if you do plastic surgery at such young age when your face is still changing, you will regret it later. surgery looks good on young people, as you age you're gonna start to look like an alien. it's just so unnecessary, you don't need surgery to be good at getting women. just the fact that you're considering this shows you nothing of what they want.
I was just curious if your opinion was the same because many women get plastic surgery and wear makeup, yet would refuse to date a guy who did the same. Looks are important for both sexes, however I am not in support of plastic surgery. For that specific photo I am, because he obviously has an overbite that needed to be corrected as it can have other benefits then just looks.
@nathanp97 he does not have an overbite in that photo, just a small jaw combined with big nose. looks can be improved in a hundred different ways, plastic surgery is an extreme thing to do, and should be done only for those who have some serious defect, not for those who are still maturing and will end up looking deformed in a few years because they did not want to wait or do something else.
Knew a guy who kept claiming that he couldn’t get laid because of his looks. Now he was super FAT but he also lived with his parents in his 40s, was perving on women & acting weird all the time. No job... so he used the appearance he had to be an excuse and would never admit the other stuff was a problem
Give the one labeled INCEL a kind heart and a funny personality and id rather have sex with him a thousand times than even entertain the idea of sex with someone who's a moronic asshole, no matter their bone structure.
“Incels” aren’t a thing... they’re just whiny guys that think they owe sex. Maybe if they were better people someone would fuck them, but all they do is complain about not being able to fuck pretty women while they are ugly as hell. Get a life.
Actually that's a big misconception about incels in general. Not all incels want some 9 or 10 out of 10 girl. And a lot don't bash or say messed up shit about females. And if surgery could help some of these guys out due to lack of looks, then I'd say it's worth it for some of these guys
Incel have too high standard first of all and weird personality
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If they get surgery, they could meet those standards. I recommend surgery to any infel if I ever ran into one. Personality can be worked on. But their looks need to be changed with surgery
@Pulimuli there is a guy in gag he is only 5 foot 4 inch tall and he refused to date a average girl this is very common thing he even have said that he won't date a women who look less than 7 and he also demands many other things like virgin sweet cute etc beside it
@Pulimuli most incel are like that this is why they are single there are always average or below average girl they can date but they are refused to do it they want top 10% girl like that 5 feet 4 inch guy
Actually I have to agree. Most incels don't care for 9s or 10s. They would be perfectly okay with an average girl or lower. That's just a misconception about incels wanting to only go after above average women
I can't say I disagree with the logic, but I disagree that this should be a priority. They need positive male role models, healthy lifestyle habits, and a mission in life to pursue. Then they need to learn some communication skills, and get used to just making friends with women and having women around them, and gaining that belief that "I'm a guy whom women like being around". That will be an important precursor for building the confidence that ultimately attracts women.
People- all people- should work on their insides first. 1 Sam 16:7 The Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the LORD sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD looks on the heart.”
I read through the comments. And I agree with the comments. Although why even ask the question if you are still so set on recommending it anyways? If you are so set on recommending it than don't ask the question.
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I state my opinion. But people are welcome to give their opinion. It's not like I'm trying to change anyone's opinions. So calm down
Yep. Feelings are a very strong thing. Need to acknowledge and 'own' one's feelings. And half the rubbish we say to ourselves isn't really valid anyway haha!
It’s not. It’s really not. I promise there’s so much more to explore in life than just sex. Plenty of other people who are being idiots will continue to keep the earth populated. So there’s nothing to worry about. Take a hike. Learn something new. Make money. Find a passion. Plant a flower. BREATHE. Doesn’t matter. The options are infinite.
Well for a lot of guys it's a valued part of being a human & something a lot of people would like to experience. So if that could help them, I would recommend it because looks do matter & if surgery will help them out, then by all means go & do it
Reprioritizing and mental cleansing is waaayyy more practical and productive. So that is my only advice to those who are “incels”. I am completely aware that guys have a weird obsession with sex but that’s a problem. It can be fixed, and not with surgery.
That's fine. That's your opinion. Buy if I do run into an incel, I will recommend surgery to give them a better chance at getting laid especially if they didn't win the genetic lottery
"turns out facial structure has a lot to do with how attractive a guy can be"... that was the most "no shit" moment i had in decades due.
"breaking news. how you look has a lot to do with how attractive you are" xD
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That's why I recommend it. I don't know why people are disagreeing with it. Looks matter & if surgery can fix an incels face, then why would it be a problem to do so?
But that's why most incels ate incels. They blame their looks as a problem & I won't lie & say it isn't a issue for them. So if surgery could be an option, I'd tell them to go for it
incels love to blame their looks, cause that would mean it's not their fault. in fact though it's mostly their fault cause they lack the social skills or they just don't have the balls, which would make them more successfull with women.
of course just assuming you're ugly is the reason is far easier than that so that's what they choose as the explanation for being an incel.
so having this operation wouldn't solve that problem.
Wouldn't help. They'd still be entitled little bitches
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I would tell them to work on their personalities while getting the surgery. Not all incels act like that anyways. There are some who talk about themselves & don't bash women. So if those guy want surgery for a better outcome with women, I would recommend it but also like I said tell them to work on their personalities.
Isn't that hypocritical though. A lot of women get generalized & people immediately say not all women are like that. Just like with incels, not all of them are like that.
you nailed it... women are such hypocrites about that.. of course, she only sees them as whiny but let her feel attacked and she'll be just as whiny... just in a hostile way
@JustWorthlessMe I could really care less if someone attacks me. People only attack them because they whine they can't get a chick and blame women. No they can't get a chick because they're cry babies
What about incels that don't attack or insult females. But instead just talk about how they're depressed & feel lonely & unwanted? Would you still call them crybabies?
Well then that just adds more fuel to the fire then. Instead of trying to understand a person or show some empathy, we disregard it as some evil agenda by lonely guys & make it worse
Incels don't necessarily have to look bad, though it could be a common reason. But they could also just be embittered from rejections or some major relationship trauma. Although their subsequent misogynistic crusade still isn't justified.
Aren't incels, incels cause they're poor And ugly? How can they afford surgery then?
After if they're single cause they're ugly plastic surgery would definitely help them but if they're single cause they have a bad personality plastic surgery won't be of any help. There's some incels that are cute but it's their personality that make them unattractive in general in those case. (or they're too shy / socially awkward to interact with girls and so can't find one).
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Well for ugly ones, surgery is the way to go if they want to meet those higher standards. And personality can be worked on. But first things first, they gotta work on the looks because that's a very important factor.
I assume they're poor because they say it themselves and complain about it all the time. If they didn't I wouldn't say it. And why didn't they get plastic surgery then if they're so ugly and can't get a girlfriend and are so persuaded they would get a girlfriend if they were more attractive?
Cosmetic surgery isn't going to fix an incel. They still wouldn't be a decent human being; they'll still blame and hate women/SJWs/democrats/liberals/anyone for their lack of "success".
No, they should invest in a personality. And some counseling. I maintain that there are very few true incels. Most are just guys who have little to offer in any department yet expect the highest quality women.
Not really. Im just a dude who can sympathize with their situation. The last thing you want to do is add more fuel to the fire & make things worse. And if course you throw the stereotypical misconception about them 😂. Classic 👌
Oh yes I'm a troll you got me. I surrender 😂. Can't we acknowledge that looks can be their problem too? Is it hard to believe that such a thing could also be their downfall?
Social media has made today's youth very vain and shallow. Anyone can find love without surgery if they accept who they are and embrace it instead of complaining all the time.
"Incel" means "Involuntary Celibate." You can't guess who's an incel based on looks, but many aren't physically attractive to the higher tier girls they're trying to attract. Since many of them are social outcasts, their social skills aren't as refined as other males that weren't social outcasts. The lack of social skills could be the thing driving them away, and they often don't realize it. Many (but not all) wallow in self-pity amongst themselves and blame women for their situation.
How would it be rude? Realistically it would help them out. Looks matter & if that's going to help them out, then I don't see any problem with it. And I would still tell them to work on their personalities. But you would be lying if you said it wouldn't help them
If you are ugly and unhappy sure. Its a slippery slope though since you will never be happy
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I don't know why no one would agree that it could help them. Like they're at a disadvantage with their looks & can get surgery to help them out. I don't know why it has negative responses on here
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