Do you believe in fate?

[Monalisa77]

[SteveSmith1985]

I tend to believe in it when things have gone either extremely well or extremely badly.

When things seem to have worked out right. Life is good, and I'm counting my blessings... then I tend to be a believer in fate.

or

When things are at their worst, and I see no way out, and feel truly hopeless... at that time too, fate is something I'll believe in.

Generally though, no I don't. Because I cannot imagine that everything is predestined. (all the big and little things pertaining to each of the billions of humans... who each have some specified pre-destined spot in what's already been fated).

Also, if Fate is a thing, how do you explain the unequivocally awful things that we can all recognize happen OFTEN in the world. Was that little kid "fated" to be raped. Or sold into sex slavery? Or whatever example you want to choose of how life has no real justice (at least not for some). I think it's messed up for any human to be fated to suffer unjustly the way so many people suffer... without ever seeing any rewarded.

That kid from the example above... she doesn't get the Disney happy ending we all like to think about when we talk about Fate.

After being raped multiple times a day, by different men. Day after day for several years... one day someone gets a little too rough while raping her and kills her. He pays her "owner" a fair price for his loss, and her body is dumped in the river.

What kind of life is that? How can fate exist if that's the lot some people are destined to? I have to believe that nobody has a fate like that written in the stars. But for fate to exist for me or for you... then that little girl was born to be mistreated and discarded. I cannot believe that is pre-destined to be anybody's fate. So, no, usually I don't believe in fate.

Excellent question though! 🙂

[Monalisa77]

This week I met someone, whom had I decided to do something at another time, I wouldn't have met them, I call that fate

[SteveSmith1985]

I'm not trying to say what I believe is necessarily right. I don't think there's a right or a wrong answer exactly. I think it's fair for different people to see this differently. I think what you believe is every bit as valid as what I believe. We just believe different things. And that's cool 🙂

[Monalisa77]

I don't see how certain situations aren't fate though, like this one.

[SteveSmith1985]

hahaha, well if you wanna debate it...

Then I would say: You are assuming that "fate" means that your life turns out how you want it to turn out. SAYS WHO? Who says you were fated to be happy at all? Why do you assume good things should happen to you? Is "fate" set-up... for YOU alone? To bring YOUR life to (what you'd call) it's rightful place? Or are other people's fates also pre-destined? If other people's fates ARE pre-destined, then why is one person born to be raped thousands of times before she's murded and disgarded before hitting puberty; whereas your fate is to meet the right man and live happily ever after? What makes you so special? Why would fate want your happiness and not care about that poor innocent hypothetical little girl.

People talk about fate only when trying to account for something really good (or really bad). Because..."fate" is not just those things. If it were, then fate couldn't exist... it would have to apply always, or never. There cannot be an inbetween You can't selectively apply it when you want, and ignore it when you don't like what's happening.

So if you believe meeting this guy is fate... you must also believe that any awful thing that happens to befall you is also fate. So... if you fall in love marry someone, have a kid, and then both your husband and your child are killed in a car crash when your kid is 2 years old... are you going to be saying "well I guess THAT is why fate let me meet my husband that day all those years ago"..."so I could be here feeling pain deeper than I knew existed. So fates plan wasn't that I meet him and get married and be happy after all. Fate (evidently) only brought him into my life so we could fall in love, have our child... to rip both from me leaving me sobbing over the fresh graves of my loved ones"

It all depends on WHEN you decide to believe fate applies. People are super-selective about that.

[Citizenkirk]

Fate as in unavoidable destiny, outcome, or future consequence of uncomfortable or preplanned destination in life? No, I don't believe in some narrative representation of my future being written or imputed into the directions my life experience takes me to.
I do believe in the unfair and unfortunate consequences that people and events can have, in the directions a person's life takes, and the importance of the occasional moment of clarity-- one needs in navigating the potentially life altering forks in the road without a visible road sign in sight moments, that can make or break, a person's will to go on living.

[Ms_Facesitter]

Only if it's obvious. O that guy is swimming in a crocodile infested river. If he gets grabbed, call it fate. Things like that.

[SteveSmith1985]

I think... that's more "cause and effect". I can get on-board with that kinda "fate" too. I agree. That motherfucker was destined to get grabbed by a crocodile. I'm forced to agree. But fate... I'm not sure that's what I'd call that. 🙂

[Ms_Facesitter]

@SteveSmith1985 "your fate has been sealed"

[SteveSmith1985]

Well that's ominous.

How do you know? What do you see?

Am I metaphorically swimming in a crocodile infested river right now? Do I find true love? Or maybe a particularly awesome cat? Will my hopes and dreams be realized; or am I destined to keep trying, and failing, like some sort of half-black Sisyphus?

I feel like it's irresponsible to say this to someone without elaborating (at least a little)

[sage2021]

Yes I do. Too many things have happened and when they do, I call it fate right then and there.

[Heolurt]

I believe life is guided by fate, but I also believe that everyone has different paths to different fates and just by making the right karmic choices will lead you to a different fate than another choice would've done, I also believe that no matter what choices you make some people's fates might all include a certain outcome you just can't avoid wether it's good or bad, I believe your choices decide if your overall fate is good or bad, like maybe your core fate is to be rich but certain choices you make put you down a fates path where you end up being extremely rich but hated and murdered or another path where you end up the most loved wealthiest person

[lightbulb27]

Yes, I also believe in work, finess, effort, timing, skill, awareness, consciousness, God, and a few other things.

Specifically, there was a time I had interest in a gal at work. I was inspired and worked hard to get into her world. I succeeded, it bombed and we both moved on for the better. Effort...

[burlen]

If by "fate" you mean the belief that events in a person's life or in the world are predetermined by a higher power, natural order, or unseen forces, then I do not believe in that.

However, I do believe that individuals have the power to make their own choices and shape their own lives, although they may be constrained by certain limits set by external factors.

[JSmuve]

No. I believe in timing and probability. For instance, today I saw a woman that I've noticed around my apartment building but never had the opportunity to talk to. I honestly can't remember the last time I saw her before today. But the fact that I saw her today was a matter of probability; a very low one. The fact that I was unable to talk to her was a matter of timing. I was 50 meters away from her before she got into her car and left.

[FeminineHSP]

Millions of Jews were fated to be killed in the holocaust? If that was fate, then I'm disgusted at fate.

I'm grateful to the universe though, whatever fate it might give me. I've accepted my mortality. I don't want anything more than altruism out of my life.

[Berethor]

No, my life is too shitty to believe in that and I don't believe in supernatural things in general.

[Monalisa77]

My lifes crap too but it doesn't mean u can't believe some things are supposed to happen

[Berethor]

Why should I believe that all this crap is supposed to happen and not try to change that?

[Monalisa77]

Well, I don't mean big things per say. I don't believe it was fate I got sacked, but I believe its fate when retain people meet

[Monalisa77]

*I sorry for the error

[Berethor]

Why it's fate when retain people meet? seems random to me, and most of them leave.

[Monalisa77]

That was an error it was meant to be you sorry, and I'm the same position, I don't have many people in my life. It just seems like certain things happen that wouldn't have happened had u chosen a different path

[Berethor]

Well if you can chosen a different path then it's not fate, it's making a wrong move.

[Monalisa77]

No it always turns out the right move

[Berethor]

You 35, if you still don't married and have children then how what that the right moves?

[Monalisa77]

I don't think that matters, it can be small things about anything lol n I don't want kids

[Berethor]

Who care about small things? you don't want kids? well it's pretty sad to hear that.

[Monalisa77]

I've got too many health issues

[Berethor]

If it because health issues it more legit, but it still pretty sad to hear something like that.

[Monalisa77]

Idky not everyone wants kids i can only deal with kids in small doses. Imwouldnt mind adopting an older kid but I doubt they'd give me one

[call_me_scar]

Nope as theirs no reason to believe in that also if such a thing does exist that would mean every horrible thing that happened to someone was supposed to happen which yeah good luck going to a victim of abuse and saying that was your fate

[Monalisa77]

There's certain things I believe have happened that were supposed to happen, but u can believe they were fate rather than choosing to believe bad things that happened were fate

[call_me_scar]

Then the people who had a bad life that ended with something horrific let's say getting kidnapped and killed didn't have a fate then is what your saying

[Monalisa77]

Yeah, certain things can be fate, the guy I'm working with rn is my crushes distant relative

[call_me_scar]

That just sounds picky and choosy for when things are convenient. If one person is affected by fate then we would have to be as the butterfly effect would take place not to mention it's make this force u call fate seem like asshat when you think of the world at large and how many bad people live a full happy life screwing others while some kids never live long enough to enjoy a steak. Also none of this is evidence for it being a thing we could replace fate with guardian invisible mosquitoes and nothing would change about this conversation

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[AnusNdaPainus]

I kept running into the same girl at Costco because we were cooking the exact same dinner that day now we share recipes

[Nikki1989]

Not really. I believe life is what you make of it.

[exitseven]

not really. However my uncle used to say fate favors the one who digs the deepest foxhole. We make our own fate.

[Dargil]

In the expression shit happens, yes.

[PointTaken]

I believe there's a reason for everything. It's usually not clear what the reason is. Some I'm still confused about.

[Anonymous]

Life events are pre-determined but outcomes may be alterable.

[NostalgiaSenpi]

Nope. I don't believe in karma, religion, astrology, etc.

[AskSync]

I believe things happen for a reason, and each change in your day affects your outcome.

[coachTanthony]

No but I believe in Karma.

[Alex8736]

I believe in fate and Karma

[Crmolon]

I want to believe in it

[LovingJo]

I have gone back and forth on this for years!! 💯

[BagoH]

Fate as in predetermined outcomes in life? No

[Jennz6]

No, not really

[SolitarySolace]

No. That would imply that we have no free will.

[FreyaRed]

No...

[magiusX26]

in general yes

[Charliefretz329]

Kinda yes

[EaterPeter]

In a bad way?