In this study, they noted that what women found pretty in other women was not the same as what men found pretty. They said men tend to value a younger / youthful facial appearance and with little to no makeup in women while women thought a more slimmer modelesque look was more pretty with make and more dressed up.
This was a shortened version of the video. The longer version explaining how men prefer young infantile facial features is on the youtube page
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Long story short, " women are harsher beauty critics of beauty since they value model aka sharp features yet men valued a simple youthful somewhat girl next door look".
According to a study, " Guy pretty is not the same as girl pretty". Is this true?
I kind of agree. Like the women other women seem to admire, I’m usually like “I mean…she’s aiiiight, nothing to go crazy about.
Kind of dating myself here, but I’d maybe submit Gwyneth Paltrow. I don’t get it at all. She’s real-life decent-looking, it’s not like she’s an eyesore or anything. But I don’t find her attractive, she has ZERO sex appeal, in my opinion. Maybe that’s the missing component between men and women’s estimations, men are grading heavily on sex appeal. Gwyneth Paltrow, even in her heyday, I was like “this lady is so matronly, like she’s 28 going on 60.” I was shocked that Brad Pitt was with her. I’m straight as an arrow and I still think Brad Pitt is exponentially better looking than her, relative to their in-gender standing😂 I don’t love the whole 10-scale, but if I were to play that game, Gwyneth is like 6.5-7, which is fine in the grand scheme of life, but I wouldn’t turn my head if she passed me on the street. I’m not familiar with her work but she must be a great actress, because I just don’t see her as “Hollywood”-level good looking.
I always remember this scene from Can’t Hardly Wait…
Every one of those girls is way hotter than Gwyneth Paltrow. And they’re sitting there talking as if she’s the standard to aspire to🤦♂️ Jennifer Love Hewitt and Jamie Pressley especially, ALL-TIME smokestacks🔥🔥🔥 Brad Pitt should be chasing them, not Gwyneth, or even Angelina Jolie for that matter. I have never once in my life heard a guy express attraction to Gwyneth Paltrow, just sayin’.
So that makes me curious at to what the difference in standards are. Conversely, my lady makes fun of me because the guys I estimate to be good looking, she’s always like “EW, no way, he’s too pretty”…. and to me, I’m like “isn’t that what you want? To have a pretty face?” Don’t you want to look like Brad Pitt, or young Johnny Depp, or Jared Leto from My So Called Life, or Zack Morris or Slater from Saved By The Bell, or Uncle Jesse from Full House? (Sorry, I’m from the 90s, no current references😂)
These are all the guys that I’ve wished upon a star every night for like 35 years now that I’d wake up with one of their heads attached to my neck, minus the 90s style.
And my lady is like “ew, no….”, and she sweats like Jason Momoa and whatnot. I guess she likes Michael B Jordan too, he’s probably more pretty than rugged. But I think that’s it right there…. I don’t see what women see in ruggedness, from an aesthetic standpoint. You should look like you just came back from a GQ cover shoot, not like you’ve been building a log cabin in the woods all day, lmfao. The beard thing…. I’ll NEVER understand. Terrible look, I can’t believe women like it. I’ll never fold, clean-shaven for life. But there’s obviously some kind of sex appeal to that that women like. I’ll never understand it, but they do.
So…. I think our sexual orientation probably factors in a lot. There’s an estimation of objective attractiveness, but then our animal instinct, or lack thereof, comes into play. There’s something women are appreciating that I’m missing, or there’s a glaring absence of something to men, but it’s not a factor to women.
You know what Gwyneth reminds me of? A daughter of an “old money” family. Dresses in all white and beige, likes sailing, and I could just never envision her engaging in anything debaucherous, whether that’s sexual or otherwise. Very boring.
Angelina, she’s better looking to me, but honestly the first time was the best time. I only saw the trailer for Gone In 60 Seconds, but that was the one time I saw her and was like “Hey now…. who is THIS?” And she was blonde, which isn’t a dealbreaker but also not the draw it is for some other guys, maybe because I’m blonde myself and there’s no “wow” factor of rarity. But I don’t care for her as much as a brunette. I wish I was better at picking out what I specifically am turned off by, but I kind of just see the big picture unless it’s something glaring. And she just doesn’t really do it for me. I can’t call it, but there’s something jarring about her face. I get what you’re saying about “too perfect”, and sort of agree and disagree at the same time…. she’s a particularly strange case for me.
But again, all these women are real-life attractive at the end of the day, they’re on the better side of average. That’s kind of what Hollywood is, even less attractive actors are just “TV-ugly”, haha. You can always find way worse at your nearest Walmart😂
Angelina has more of that “modelesque” thing going….. and I often find models to be “interesting-looking” but not necessarily “good looking.” Like you have Giselle pictured…. Tom Brady is my lord and savior, lmao, but I didn’t get what he was doing there, haha
I just watched the video, and yeah, I’d say that’s pretty accurate. I couldn’t have told you what it is that draws me in or turns me away, but when they say it, I’m like “that tracks.”
Definitely agree that it probably applies to me for the most part, seemingly, other than the age thing. As I get older, I have more appreciation for older women. I think there are fewer attractive older women out there, to be honest, but more due to life circumstances than age in and of itself. I think women in their 20s will always be hot. But there’s a segment of them…how do I put it? So at this age, all young people look either 16 or 22 to me, regardless of their actual age, haha. And that’s where an attractiveness “gray area” is growing. Of all the things I never want to be or be accused of being, is one of these creepy, lecherous “I like ‘em barely legal” guys🤢 So I think my brain is starting to reject anyone borderline. But anyone definitively in their 20s, if they’re good looking, I think you can always appreciate that, whether you’re 9 or 90.
Conformity was a big one too. Like that slicked back hair the one woman had…. hate it. Emma Stone with short hair, hate it. Halle Berry and Nia Long are still the only two women I’ve seen rock short hair and still be sexy. Oh, and the girl from the Can’t Hardly Wait clip. Those are like the only three I can think of where I wasn’t like “you look like a middle school boy.”
Sharp, masculine features, same thing. I only barely know who that Cara Delavigne lady is, but her eyes and brows freak me out😱😂
I think the biggest thing is that most straight guys are viscerally homophobic. Not like actually homophobic, I’d go to a pro-LGBTQ rights rally today if it was happening. But the prospect of any kind of contact with a dude makes me go “UGHHHH!!!🤮🤮🤮” like the most anti-gay person you could find.
So I say that to say that the most disqualifying thing for most guys is a woman looking in any way masculine. Jennifer Aniston is polarizing. I think she’s hot, but she does have a strong jaw. Some men are out on her for that.
gwyneth paltrow have no sex appeal becuase she's more of a classy lady while the girls you showed would be considered by most women as "vulgar", vulgar being a terms that any women use when a woman show a bit of skin and is not full classy. Classy women are usually only popular in upper middle class society (except in France while a lots used to love this style some years ago, it was actually a requirement to be classy back then now it's more relaxed). But it's normal gwyneth paltrow had no sex appeal as her looks had this exact purpose. She's petty bit with no charms.
Absolutely true, at least of the majority of men. Obviously there are going to be exceptions - hell, entire subcultures even - who are actively against the norm - but that doesn't change the fact that this is true of the majority.
As a rule, men value women who are young (or at least appear young - and I mean "youthful", not adolescent), and who have an all-natural appearance. That means no or minimal makeup, a hair color that could possibly grow naturally (even if you are coloring your hair, if it looks like it COULD be natural, that will pass), simple, casual clothes, simple/minimal jewelry, no tattoos or piercings, not overly muscled (think: body builder), not significantly overweight, but also not emaciated (think: "heroin chic").
Men generally care nothing about fancy clothes, shoes, handbags, and generally prefer a woman's hair to be long (ish) and down - that short, slicked back look is NOT attractive to men.
This is why girls often find that they get much more attention from men when they run to the grocery store in sweats, a T-shirt, and a baseball cap than they do when they're "made up". The closer you are to an all-natural look, the broader your appeal will be to men, and conversely, the less all-natural your look, the narrower your appeal will be.
Women love to accuse men of being responsible for all the money they spend on clothes and makeup, but the truth is that only women care about that crap, and women buy and wear it all to impress other women. A man who finds you attractive probably finds you MORE attractive in your PJs than he does in some fancy dress.
Imagine a guy you are interested in (you like him, but he's not necessarily so insanely hot that you would cut your own kid's throat to be with him if that's what it took). Now imagine he tells you he has a marble collection, or that he collects sea shells, or that he's got 40 pairs of expensive sneakers. Would any of those things make you like him more, or even matter to you at all? Probably not - you likely either see that as neutral or maybe even a negative.
That's how men see fancy clothes, handbags, shoes, makeup, expensive hair dos, and things like botox, implants, tattoos, facial piercings, blue hair, etc. are generally seen as negatives, at least in the context of being a potential relationship partner. For most men, nothing beats being all-natural, even with some flaws.
That's totally true and men standard of beauty are so much easier to follow. I started to feel good in my skin when I let go of the whole pretty for girls stuff and adapted into pretty for men. Their standard are ways easier to get, no need to be perfect or spend one thousand every months on make up, hair or clothes. So long as you got long hair, thin body with some curves, show some skin, no make up, is clean they're happy (clothes don't even need to be trend or fashionable even basic tight / flattering feminine clothes are good enough).
For women pretty you need to follow the latest trends which is horrible and so stressful.
I’ve noticed that women tend to recognize and appreciate beauty in each other more easily than men do. For example, I consider myself beautiful and often receive compliments from other women; both friends and complete strangers. But I don’t get that same kind of attention from guys. So I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m ‘girl pretty’ but not ‘guy pretty’ but I don't know I’m just assuming. What’s interesting is that I also find it much easier to see beauty in other girls compared to guys, so it’s kind of funny how that works.
Really? I think women just aren't honest. They'll say whatever to avoid hurting someone's feelings. We have always been taught as children "that's not nice.. that's not lady like ". I've seen one of my friends gain weight, wear a dress we all knew she looked bad in but my girlfriends were like " omg girl you look great". Then after she left said, " omg I hope she's okay. She's so bloated." Women are a bit harsher when it comes to beauty. Many like the modelesque look while men are fine with simple/youthful/girl next door features.
Yeah, I can see that strangers might lie when they’re complimenting me, but I try to keep genuine girls around me. My friends will tell me the truth even if I look bad, they’ll say it or fix it themselves lol. I can confidently say I don’t have fake girls in my circle, but I’ve dealt with plenty before sadly but my discernment is sharp, I pick up on the little things fast and cut them off quick. Might sound harsh, but I can’t do negativity especially with girls cuz I surround myself mostly with girls
I dont think most women do it to be mean. I believe they do it to avoid hurting someone's feelings because we know looks are important to us so it's a complex / sensitive area to openly critique.
What an interesting question. There are few of those on GAG these days.
I never thought about "guy pretty" versus "girl pretty", but I think the article made a really good point.
According to an Austrian ethologist, there are actually some traits that babies possess that automatically trigger our brains into feeling a sense of joy. We are hardwired by nature to find a large, rounded head, large eyes, small nose, chubby cheeks, a rounded body and soft, elastic skin adorable.
This is the Kindchenschema or “Baby Schema” or “cuteness traits”. Konrad Lorenz, an Austrian ethologist (ethology is the study of animal behavior) proposed kinderschema in 1943 to explain why we find babies cute.
I wonder if sexual dimorphism makes women attractive to men for similar reasons.
I can't speak for all men, and certainly not for women, but I am attracted to women who have the "cuteness factor" - large eyes and long eye lashes (often accentuated by mascara and eye liner to make them look larger), cute nose, soft, kissable cheeks, and clear, smooth, elastic skin.
I am less attracted to sunken cheeks, strong jaw lines and elongated faces.
Regarding the large, rounded head factor, men's shoulders are as broad as their heads but women's shoulders are only 3/4 as wide as their heads, so their heads look larger in comparison to their upper bodies. Women's hair styles often make their heads look even larger and rounder. And many women's faces are rounder. Men often have a wider, more prominent jawline and a more square chin, whereas women tend to have a narrower, gentler jawline and a shallower, more rounded or pointed chin.
Grown women also have rounded bodies with breasts, curvy hips, butts and thighs.
When men mature, their voices become deeper. They also grow body and facial hair. So, in those two cases, the appearance is that women aren't fully mature. That's not actually the case at all, but it does make women cuter.
Women's smaller size, plumpness (in just the right places), diminutive upper bodies, and lack of muscle mass also makes them look cute, vulnerable, and immature compared to men.
Now I want to be clear that women are NOT immature and men are not looking for immature women. What I described has nothing to do with pedophilia. Eeewww
Women are as smart as men. And when looking at a woman it is obvious that she is fully physically mature.
I was just commenting on the same cuteness factor that people find adorable in babies and some men also find adorable in women. I'm wondering if sexual dimorphism created those characteristics in women to make men's hearts melt, give them joy, bring out their protective instincts, and make women cuddly.
Women see things differently. They don't want to be seen as weak and they certainly don't think of themselves as immature versions of men. Since they admire men and find them attractive, they may want to give off a competent, confident, strong, assertive, intelligent, creative, independent vibe, as opposed to cute and cuddly.
Of course, it is impossible to generalize. Some women love being submissive, cutesy girly girls. And some guys like strong, assertive women.
Men will tend to prefer the unadorned and natural looking women than the one "dressing to impress" and effectively hiding behind a mask of "Pretty". It's probably less of a sign of conscious distrust that men have over the notion of how the packaging may be hiding a rotten product (not even the physical because men don't stick with hot chicks with shit characters but will stick with average ones with great character). Fertility may be the evolutionary driver behind this because in the end it COULD be about a feral desire to make babies in less evolved men's brains and those who are in better control of their libidos, the younger ones with the most potential will be seen more desirable.
As for women liking the more established woman with "stuff" to make her life "appear better" then that's perhaps because there's a notion within women that having the trappings of a successful life such as make up and clothing means you're provided for or able to provide for yourself and thus a sign of success as they would see themselves in this position.
The more dressed up one with makeup has facial and scalp/hair features more common in men that have excessive DHT levels, she also has sagging underdeveloped breasts, and needing makeup is a sign of skin damage.
Its not younger vs older, its healthy vs unhealthy. Men typically want the absolute healthiest women.
The healither a person is, the more they look like their teenage self. People think otherwise because they mistake damage as development.
Women are more often guilty of this, and will see damage as "masculine". This is because men in western cultures are more prone to damage do to being less likely to take care of themselves through diet, lifestyle, saftey, hygeine, etc. and this behavior leads to the "masculine" look of thining scalp hair, damaged skin, excessive body hair, overdeveloped muscles, poor circulation, and a chronically dried out larynx that results in a deep, raspy voice.
But those are all disease, a healthy male does not have these traits. But most women for whatever reason view that as "manly" or "mature" and so they view the lack of them as being "more juvenile" in appearance.
Simply put, many western women find disease attractive, and many western men find health attractive.
If you go to south korea for example, where male beauty is celebrated by women, both sexes prefer the healthiest looking mates, so much so that ironically the very unhealthy act of plastic surgery to look younger is very common.
I ran a blind study on this (as in I didn't tell people about it, I just quietly observed), and I found that the more "masculine" the woman, the more they believed those traits should be exaggerated in a man. Simply put, they expect men to have more DHT than them, even if their own level is way too high.
Testosterone converts to estrogen in the presence of oxygen, oxygen deprivation in the blood causes it to convert to DHT instead. And while some DHT is needed to finish developing the penis and testicles, chronically high levels after puberty will slowly kill you over time.
The Antechinus, a small mammal, takes DHT overdose to extremes, it has so much buildup of it that the male just straight up dies after going on a mating binge.
Also, fun fact, when a man gets aroused, his T levels drop, and his E levels skyrocket (unless he is oxygen deprived, then his DHT (which is a type of estrogen) skyrockets. The former situation actually results in bigger erections than the latter, as it doesn't constrict bloodflow to the penis (or in general) as much.
That sounds about right. After all, women like to say that like to dress for themselves, and we all know there is at least a little bit of vanity behind it, because they want other women to be jealous.
Men, meanwhile, repeatedly tell women they prefer minimal makeup, and a more natural look. Now, obviously, tastes vary, depending on the guy, but overall, most men value younger women (18+, of course), and youthful features on a woman.
I wouldn't agree with the "infantile" features, though, as that would imply an underage woman. Most guys wouldn't go for something like that, unless they're sick in the head.
When it comes to men looking at women we're going to look for what a robot would look for. It's a reptile tier mechanical response. Maybe not consciously but we're looking for women that are fertile. It's not about art or fashion it's more like what an alligator would do or some monster from a sci fi movie. We're there to fuck and breed, It's just selfish genes. Weather we know it or not. People create a big mystique around it, they romanticize it but it's about a mechanical coupling to a bioreactor to dump some biological material in there and replicate our form of life. That's all we've really got. It's actually kind of sad.
Well I think women would like to think they are pretty and that better make up can fix any deficiencies. So they are biased by their own hope in what is pretty.
Men certainly have a clear preference for early twenties women. There is a theory that women were sexually selected for infantile faces as that would elicit a male protect response as with children.
Again women would prefer to not think they are past it and so would like to think older faces are prettier than younger baby faces.
I do think the later aspect is going to influence female views in a major degree.
I remember one time I was visiting a state park on vacation with my sister, and there was a lady there with another group. I found the lady pretty attractive, but my sister just started tearing into her. Every little thing; the make up, the style, the lip fillers, etc. I wasn't even entirely sure what provoked the response, honestly.
It was obvious that this woman had some work done, but I still thought she was pretty hot. My sister and I were on two totally different wavelengths about what makes an attractive woman attractive.
Essentially true for me. I've never liked the fashion model body type (emaciated) or the heavy makeup and obsession with clothing and shoes and accessories. I've always gone for a healthy looking build and effortless looking beauty. Pssst... I know it's not effortless. But it looks like you don't even have to try.
I think every guy and girl does have what they consider pretty being diffrent , more importantly after the study would you change the way you look just to attract someone knowing this information because the kind of people you atttract may not be the ones you like if you changed your appearence meant and being ugly may not just be ones apperence same with pretty but people can be pretty ugly from what I have herd
My bad. No problem I have an answer for that as well.
Matter of fact I talked about this with some girl I follow on IG.
I think the issue is there is a misunderstanding between men and women regarding what men find attractive.
Here’s 2 examples
Nice lips and big butts
What men view these two is apparently not what women view them as what they look like because a lot of bbl’s are way too big and same with lip fillers.
I like the minimal makeup look... too much is not a good look. In a social setting I mean not celeb stuff, being on TV or whatever means lots of makeup it is just the nature of the beast
There is a comprehensive body of research to support this. What women think men want isn't what men want. I guess the reverse is true too, but I'm not aware of any studies.
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