Have women destroyed men?

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I'm really starting to think so. Men have become bitter and whiney. Has it always been this way? I kind of doubt that. Men seem mostly confused. Let's face it us women often send mixed messages. We want men to be sensitive and then we call them weak. We want them to be more manly and then we call them pigs. Make no mistake about it some men are hopeless, but most of them just don't have a clue how to act. What do you think?

JSmuve · Accepted Answer

Men destroy women

Women destroy men.

Men destroy men.

Women destroy women.

We destroy ourselves.

It truly is a difficult world to find love in.

I've been 'destroyed' by women twice, but only because I was so emotionally vulnerable that I let myself be destroyed. I've matured, hardened myself emotionally (I supposed become embittered) since then. I work towards becoming a better man and more successful with women, but it's so damn difficult sometimes. It's like trying to teach yourself calculus without a textbook. Trial-and-error, and hope you eventually find the right answer.

I can't explain whether all this 'whiny' behaviour is a new epidemic or has always been there. My guess is that it's always been there to some extent but we now have the wonderful Internet to broadcast it world-wide. Gag, and other forums give everyone a platform to bitch and complain. Take the internet away and no one bitches, but the problems still remain.

I think a lot of the problems stem from not having strong male role models growing up. I was never taught how to be a man. I have a father and older brother, and I grew up completely oblivious to what a 'man' is supposed to look like. Granted, my personality is more effeminate than I'd like it to be, but the fact remains that if fathers don't teach their sons, you end up with disgruntled males who are so far behind the curve you get a lot of frustration and finger-pointing. Combine that with the internet and you get a high density of it.

It's not women's fault, but they don't make things any easier. I get the impression that women don't really know what they want, which obviously is not helpful. I mean, you'll see women asking questions such as "I did this and that, what does it mean?" as if we're somehow an authority on her behaviour. If she can't understand herself, how the hell is a guy who's not privileged to her inner thoughts, supposed to be able to read her correctly?

At the end of the day, we're all just trying to find someone to love us for who we are, which is no easy task when we're all screwing each other over. My advice for guys would be to take an "i don't give a fuck attitude". Be the type of man that you would be proud of. The rest should follow suit...as long as you get out there and take advantage of opportunities as they present themselves.

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tl;dr...yes and no.

Anonymous · Accepted Answer

Yes, you're right.

Back when masculinity was celebrated and supported, most men could just about do it.

Masculinity is difficult, and these days, wth masculinity being demonized, most men can't achieve it. Imagine if, just before a school exam, your parents told you that you were worthless and that taking exams was a waste of time and simply wrong. That's how it feels being a man these days: you have to be masculine in order to be successful with women, but you're constantly being told how wrong masculinity is and how bad men are. I'm not saying women never get criticized, but it's just not as destructive, because women can afford to be passive: they don't need emotional strength to the same extent that men do.

In addition to this, men are simply expected to be better than women in all respects these days.

Back in the day, men were expected to be richer and emotionally and physically stronger than women, but, on the other hand, women were expected to be kinder, better at domestic chores and better-looking than men. These days, its politically incorrect to expect women to do those things, and actually it's men who are expected to do those things in addition to all the traditional things that men are expected to do. If a woman is fat and doesn't take care of herself, we have to celebrate it. If a man is like that, he's a slob who needs to go to the gym. It's sexist to say that women should be good at cooking, but it's completely fine to say that men should be good cooks. And, as you say, many of the expectations that women have of men contradict each other: as you say, men are expected to be strong and sensitive, which perhaps isn't impossible, but it's certainly very hard.

The irony of all this is that, while women constantly talk about the need for equality, what they actually want and expect these days is that the man should simply be better than the woman in all or almost all respects. Men and women were much more equal back when they generally had their separate strengths.

lumos · Accepted Answer

I think this is more of a people thing than a gender thing. Human beings destroy each other and themselves. So I kinda have to agree with JSmuve. Men fight with women, women fight with men, and both genders fight among each other as well.

I do agree that there are women out there who don't know what they want. But that doesn't mean that men are any better in other areas. I've met incredibly confusing men in my life, too. However, I don't generalize men because of the few guys I've encountered, I don't put them all in the same box and call them confusing and illogical. That wouldn't make any sense. Hence, I don't think women deserve that kind of categorizing either. Some are very vile and eager to destroy, yes, but some are definitely not. Again, it's a people thing. Depends on the individual.

In a sense, men have destroyed women in the past too. Made women their property, not allowed them to get an education, practically forced them to stay at home and take care of the kids because they weren't allowed to work. All of this basically started back during the Neolithic era, which was roughly 10 000 years ago. Only about 100 years ago, women's rights became a thing. So 100 years compared to 10 000 years is literally almost nothing...

But yeah, as I said, let's not generalize. There are men out there who are completely fine and aren't even the slightest bitter. There are also women out there who aren't doing their best to destroy men by sending mixed signals, by calling them pigs and basically hating on them. Have some faith in humanity!

celestialdaeva · Accepted Answer

Women can't destroy men. Men can't destroy people. People only have the power you give them when it comes to something like that.

Statistics show that right now, for the first time in history, women actually make up a larger portion of the workforce than men, are more likely to get a higher education than men, and for younger couples the female often is the higher earner.

Men haven't been ruined or destroyed; women have progressed. Think the average woman from the 1940s would have dared to call her husband weak or a pig? We, as women, are stronger and bolder now. That means men are challenged more often.

It's probably easy to never seem whiney if you're a 1940s man with a good little housewife that looks pretty for you when you come home, has your dinner ready, irons your clothes, and is generally a good little girl. Nothing to complain about! If her job in life is to make you happy, chances are you won't have much to whine about.

And then we got this "equality" thing in our minds and decided that OUR needs are valid, too.

Frankly, so long as both men and women are equally whiney and feel equally shafted, I think we're doing pretty good.

Again, men aren't weak. Weak men are the ones who want to keep women subordinate because anything else feels like a threat to them. Most men these days and in our generation would never dream of asserting their dominance over women. Sharing room at the top, sharing the power? THAT is strength.

pickledxtofu · Accepted Answer

I think to some extent, yes.

However, the guys on this site have more issues than feminism.

Example: Guys on here say women don't approach men. Women expect chivalry and to be courted and approached.

Truth: Women do approach men. Women aren't approaching them. Even if feminism didn't exist guys would still be expected to to approach women and court them.

So, who's to blame now?

I do think that society shames men who are traditional and want a traditional wife and household. But it's not the end all be all.

AndyWes · Answer

I think you're displaying part of the problem right there. "bitter and whiny."

The fact is, most women can't stand to hear men complain about problems, particularly with dating. They literally have to shut them down, marginalize them, call them whiny bitter losers, etc. Most women are incapable of realizing that just because life is a certain way for them, it means that it's that way for everyone. They literally can't deal with that fact.

For instance, most women who are reasonable attractive--cute, or better--get approached plenty. Dating isn't a question of getting dates, it's a question of getting asked out by guys they want. Most women can also get sex whenever they want. Because of these two things, it's almost anathema to most women to try to hear that many men have legitimate complaints about how dating is the exact opposite for them.

Let's reverse the situation, with me demonstrating the behavior. I'm not afraid of walking around campus at night. It can feel creepy when I'm on a hillside trail, or when I've just watched a horror movie--but I never actually fear, "I'm afraid someone will rob me, attack me, etc." Strength isn't a problem for me. Nor is fighting. I pretty much never fear getting attacked, because unless I got ambushed by multiple attackers, I can handle myself.

Yet I know that on campus, many women are afraid of being out alone at night. One of my classmates who lives in campus, she routinely pulls up to her dorm, and calls for security to walk her in, like she's some special VIP target. She's afraid of being attacked, because rapes and robberies occur on college campuses.

Now, I can approach this with two mentalities as above described:

Women's mentality, refusing to accept other people have different life realities: "She's a whiny little paranoid loser. She needs to grow up and stop jumping at shadows."

Men's mentality, accepting that other people might have different life realities: "Well, I suppose rapes do occur on college campuses, though I do think it's a little extreme. Have you considered buying some self defense items, or examining crime statistics to see if there's real danger?"

See the point?

Forgetable · Answer

I've tried each cape and cloak to wear. I went from woman's wish to woman's wish without a thought of what was best for me, nor did I care. I started as a shy boy seeking out true love, so I set upon myself to try out each type of man they all said that they would love. I sought to be a manly man who could suck up each and every pain. They'd complain I was too tough for them and so I tried again. This time I was too "clingy" as they called it, wanting to be at her beck and call... but this thing did not please them, not one bit at all. So again I changed my personality to a quaint and quiet man who would sit in tranquility contemplating things of which were far removed from stupidity. "Too much thought", they'd said to me, "show me your heart and past from which things spring and I too would share with you as true lovers are meant to do." So I spilled my heart and mind and she grew restless over time, my past too much and heart too heavy for heart to bear she'd left me where she'd said "let's share." So I began to think what about a lover's quill and a woman's heart the ink. I began to write with every dripping word she'd said she'd love and the occasional sad note of love. It won the literate woman's heart, but not her hand, because deep down the issue with most women seems to be the conflict between their heart and head.

They know not what they should ask of us, because of how they're raised. Princess movies here and harlot celebrities over there, watch now closely little girls this beautiful woman now cuts her long and gorgeous hair. Call it women's empowerment, call it women's rights, but how many women are equally enduring men's shorter lives. They think they want a prince, or a stately knight, but deep down they know not what they truly want and it keeps men up at night. We still try to please you, we try our very best, but government, media, and special interest need to stop telling us what is best. They're making messes of both men and women's heads. There are still some of us men who want to be Romeo, even if it means us dying, but we'd prefer our Juliettes happy and alive.

I was in a poetic mood, so that's what's with my answer for better or for worse. I personally have pretty much given up on finding a woman that will fall as head over heels for me as I do for her, to share our lives together like a collection of novels that piece together like a series. It's not because I'm a door mat that I want want someone to treat as a princess, it's because that's what love is to and it should be returned equally. Though I'm no longer looking, if the right girl comes along I'd take that chance in a heart beat no matter where I find her, whether it's in a video, at cafe', in a college classroom, or on the job, heck even if I met her here on GAG. I won't pass up an opportunity, I'm just not actively searching anymore, because what I want seems to be so rare it just might not exist.

Anyway, this is my answer and I'm sticking to it. God Bless.

Tractorbeam · Answer

I don't think men have been destroyed.

They've just become a bit tougher,less trusting,and maybe a little more selfish and less generous;all for good reason.

At least 50% of women will end up becoming a man's worst enemy,if they have a chance.They're encouraged to do so by a one-sided legal system,divorce lawyers,and by unrealistic expectations they see on television and other media.

Once upon a time,the worst a man could expect would be that within 3 or 4 years of getting married he'd be stuck with a wife who's impossible to please and doesn't love him.By then,his wife would only stay to share the wealth and assets he'd worked for.

The impossible to please part still happens,moreso than ever.Now there's even less reason to appreciate a man's efforts and qualities,or try to get along with him in peace.

There's a financial reward offered to women who turn the peace into war.Once it was profitable to marry a successful man with good qualities.It's now more profitable to divorce him and take 75% + of the assets he worked for,and that may even include assets he had before the marriage.Not only that,she has a chance to do the same to another few suckers if she's still young and attractive enough.Most divorces happen the woman is about 30,so she still has more opportunities.

In about 1/2 these divorce cases,the man didn't even see it coming.He's been happily working away trying to please his wife and get somewhere in life for him and his family.She has had no complaints,and not asked for anything to change.Often enough,she's been planning to divorce him for somewhere between 2 and 7 years,just waiting for the most opportune moment.That's sometimes a long time,dealing with lawyers and waiting for the best time to stick the knife in,while still acting like the charming but slightly distanced wife.It happens.

Other times,it's more spontaneous.Hubby has been doing well financially,and suddenly strikes a temporary bad patch.While he's working his a** off to get through it,he's only as good as his last honest mistake.She's looking for ways to cash it all in,which usually happens when he's almost got things out of the red and back in the black.

Is it any wonder that modern man sees woman as a treacherous piece of work,and rarely to be trusted.It's a complete gamble.They're all time bombs,but some just have a longer fuse.He can only hope he's dead before the fuse has finished burning.

Some men just wise up,and realize that they can never expect any commitment to go beyond 4 years.Beyond that is just wishful thinking.If he's got a big d*ck and knows how to use it and a good attitude,he's better off to look for something short term with big t*ts and a smile.When the smile wears off,just walk a little further down the road and find another.

Sorry girls,but you do bring it on yourselves.I'm not bitter,although it's cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars (It's only money).I'm not whining,because I've found an easier and more effective way.

Anonymous · Answer

I think you're half right - it's mostly feminists that are responsible for this.

Masculinity is increasingly demonised, and men are increasingly encouraged to act more and more like women. It starts from an early age, e.g. at school there have been many cases where boys have been suspended for playing guns, for playing cops and robbers etc. In a lot of schools they've been forced to replace "tug of war" with "tug of peace", they aren't allowed to play dodgeball.

The feminist attack on masculinity leads to natural male behaviour being labelled as a personality disorder - the majority of young children diagnosed with ADHD are boys. Look at the main symptoms of ADHD - hyperactivity, inattentiveness and impulsivity - all are natural behaviour of young boys. Of course these symptoms will be magnified when these young boys are constantly being told off for engaging in the kinds of play they enjoy. They aren't allowed to be competitive or to engage in rough play, and so they aren't being engaged and they aren't being allowed to let off that steam. Once they get into a classroom, this is why they fidget and have trouble concentrating.

This is the reason that young girls are outperforming young boys in school. When boys outperformed girls, feminists blamed the schools. Once schools adapted to suit girls' needs, all of a sudden it's they boys' fault that they're behind.

This pro-female/anti-male bias is everywhere. In the media, men are portrayed either as violent, abusive, evil, or as bumbling buffoons (Homer Simpson), while women are usually portrayed as being smart and successful. Men are routinely shafted in divorce and family courts, they're more prone to alcoholism and drug abuse, more prone to suicide, they retire later but die younger, they make up the large majority of the homeless - the list goes on, but nobody gives a shit. We're witnessing a wide-scale disenfranchisement of men, yet we're constantly told that we live in a patriarchy, a male dominated society in which all men are privileged over all women.

When men realize all of this, and the fact that nobody gives a shit, of course they become bitter. The thing is that when women complain it's called "liberation", but when men complain about disadvantaged its called "whining".

AndyWes · Answer

I wonder, how many of the women laughing, "those pathetic betas who can't get sex" will be posting things like this when they're single/divorced at age 28-30:

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That's what women openly say they want. Alpha.

And alpha don't commit. Alpha fucks on the first date and doesn't take her to dinner. Alpha doesn't do "6 month anniversary" because he has several women a month. That's reality, beta asks girls out to dates, alpha gets her number and then texts "sex at my place tonight?" or "tits or gtfo"

I wonder, if women get what they're demanding, how will they handle it? Seems plenty of women have it and don't like it.

carlo · Answer

Women and society are mostly not aware of what's happening to men. In part it's because women now have power and many are reluctant to share it. Women say we are equal, but god forbid you say women are as shitty as anybody else on the planet, they don't like that bit of the equality equation. So men are indeed the sole carried of the dark side of humans, and I can guarantee you is horrible to think to be faulty because of your own nature, I've been there and is hell. We men are also in a catch 22, we are raised to be ashamed of our weaknesses, hence we don't talk about them as it really is like admitting we are worhtless shit unable to be anything: we are obviosly not women, and the moment we find weaknesses in ourselves we don't think we are men either, so I was left with feeling I'm an abort of nature. Because of the shame of being weak, men tend not to talk about their problems, so society and women think we have not problems, hence men don't feel anyone would listen anyway etc. It's a vicious circle leading to desperation and depression. Men commit suicide four times more than women, but no one is much interested in knowing why and what are the reasons behind, because woman must be put first. However, women like you will help change the situation, so thanks for your post.

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Moobacca · Answer

It's not that we don't have a clue how to act. It's that we just don't CARE anymore. Most of the time dating women just isn't worth it.

Why bother dating with the objective of marriage when most marriages end in divorce, 80% of which are initiated by women, who then get to take half the guy's stuff and collect alimony the rest of her life. We work hard for our money. Why risk it?

Or take just being a father in general. Women have taken away that too. With reproductive rights the way they are, women can cut men out of their kid's lives at the drop of a hat.

On top of that, many women walk around with a list of attributes of their "perfect man" that are all but impossible to meet. Like you said, you want a sensitive man, but not too sensitive. Rinse and repeat for any attribute you want. Except money. Seems men can't have enough of that.

Then there's how many women act. No guy wants to date a woman who's a drunken mess every weekend "cuz it's gurl's night out!" or who trolls bars every night to sleep with random men. You wouldn't want an alchoholic man-whore would you?

And then even if we do get in a relationship with a woman, you tend to make the entire relationship all about you and what you want. You completely forget that we have hopes, feelings and desires of our own and no, we don't just want sex.

It's very rare to find a girl who understands that relationships are supposed to be a partnership, not some fairytale story from one of your chick flicks or a tool to get things that you want.

Anonymous · Answer

Women have not destroyed man. Man has done it to himself. What has happened to women now, is they have the same power as a man. Back many years ago, women did not rights, They were forced to be in a unhappy relationships with man that all the right, earn more, get best jobs.

Since women have the same independence as a men and rights. Women feel free to do what they want, and who is suitable for them. So man has just lost his balls and courage to do anything with women.

The man has to be the leader, show her a good time, show her you can look after her, love her. If she has to start being the leader in the relationship, he has lost her. NO flaming different from a male lion protecting the females.

The reason a lot of the bad boys get girls, they have balls, they lead women, the nice guy doesn't do that, some may do. But as women get older they loose interest in the bad boy. so it swings in roundabouts.

I am very nice guy, I have no problem getting women, being asked out number of times. so there are women that do like nice guys. The only problem with me, I am too shy.

BLAMING IS A COWARDS WAY OUT. EXUSES ARE FOR LOSERS. ITS THAT SIMPLE. WOMEN DONT WANT LOSERS AS A BOYFRIEND. TOO MUCH EMOTIONAL BAGGAGE FOR THEM.

narc-slayer · Answer

Oh boy...what a complicated subject. Toxic women have destroyed genuine men that have tried to be descent and considerate while all the jerks are loving it. Women give their body's to the man who sees them as nothing but a piece off a**, while teasing and manipulating the man who sees them as a human being. I believe this is not a new behavior in women, it is more widespread. A lot of women talk about the so called "alpha male", this is just another word for a guy who blows hot air. When these so called "alpha males" are challenged by a real life situations, they either run and hide like a scared puppy dog, or cover up thier inferiority complex by trying to show themselves that women love them by being a player. One difference between the so called "alpha" and "beta" males is, the "beta" has a confidence the "alpha" will never know but he has observed this and projects a false sense of confidence to make everyone believe he is. While with the real men, they see no reason to make their whole existence based on a quality that is within them already. There are twisted and sick individuals in both genders, but only women have support groups and the media behind them to back them up.

On the subject of whining, women whine and complain constantly about situations they put themselves in. Men complain about having to do the approaches, plan a perfect date, pay for everything and then get belittled for not putting enough effort into the relationship. Then have to watch the woman leave him for a guy that is everything she falsely accused the "beta" guy of being.

Have women destroyed men? Only the good ones.

Longshot · Answer

You are onto a good subject. In very recent years, sociologists and writers have begun to address the subject in books with titles such as "Man Up" and another entitled "Man Down." There are many others along with newspaper stories and scholarly articles.

Most point to the fact that women have achieved and are achieving equality, and as a result, there are some men who are confused about their role in the dating and mating game. This is not about feminism. What it is about is that women have achieved equality in the gym, the workplace, politics and the board room. Yet many women still want the male to take the lead when it comes to romance. Many men are saying to themselves ... I have to approach the female; expected to strike up a conversation; ask for the first date; pay for the first date; ask for the second date; take the lead on sex; ask her to be my girlfriend; buy a ring; get down on one knee and ask her to marry me; etc. In the end many men are saying to themselves WTF?

No, this is not true for all men, but if you read enough about this subject, many men have been affected by it.

Anonymous · Answer

This is bullshit. But it's the same old hash stirred up so why not put it to rest: gender warriors will always make these over-reaching statements. Yes, I worded that to amuse myself.

Women are crazy. Men are absurd. That's the deal.

We have to put up with all the head games, while our minds work pretty much along predictable lines. One can watch a man's behavior and tell pretty much what he's thinking.

What is a woman going to do? Who knows. It mostly seems to tied into her economic situation. Does the guy look like a loser? What does that even mean? He's got a cheap tie on. Or he's driving an old beater. He's not alpha male enough. He has no history of earning a lot and therefore isn't capable of providing the right environment for many women to luxuriate in.

Why the hell do so many pick up artists have fake lives? They know being a customer service rep is nothing compared to pulling out a pair of flight wings and telling a woman you're a fighter pilot.

You don't want the admirable traits we (sometimes) aspire to: honor, courage, commitment, loyalty, perserverance. You want flash and glitter and cash.

Deal with it. We're not sad and whiny. You're narcissistic, mercenary, and disloyal.

thtdiablo · Answer

It's not women who have destroyed men, it's ideology that destroyed both and forced them to leave their nature behind - something people are not capable of.

Read, for example:

American Economic Journal: Economic Policy 2009, 1:2, 190–225

It treats the paradox that women's general happiness decreased in the recent decades while the number of female suicides increased dramatically.

Several countries, e.g. Norway, have given up their support for academic "gender studies" as the findings were strongly contradicting natural science insights, especially biology and neurology, but also human sciences like psychology and sociology.

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Before the whole transgender question is raised: Inform yourself about the stories of David Reimer, Nathan Verhelst and others. Psychological surveys of the Université Lumière Lyon 2 show, that a transgender surgery is often undergone for covering up psychological problems linked to one's sex (e.g. not being accepted as a man/woman by parents/family/etc.). About 25% of those trans people still commit successfully suicide, giving the reason that the problems were not solved by the surgery)

People are born as men and as women with all their differences and similarities. There is nothing that can be changed.

cocorambo · Answer

Feminists have destroyed human interaction.

Let's take an example of what happened at my workplace with these other 2 people.

G = Guy

F = Female

F and G would be flirting away in front of everyone on a daily basis. They were both on the same ranks. G would occasionally touch F on the shoulder or arm, or hair. F seldom touched G but never objected to it and continued to flirt. A couple of weeks later, F received a poor performance appraisal from the manager. She blamed it on sexual harassment by G. G was completely shocked and left the company.

What was the harassment that took place? Light touches on the arm/shoulder/hair - not on the privates, or giving unwelcome stares or cornering the woman etc.

There were other cases from other companies where the male was warned for "harassing" a woman by repeatedly asking if they needed help because they seemed to be struggling.

Now, everyone knows that in order to escalate sexual tension, basic touch is involved and the touch barrier is to be broken down. Thanks to the joint conspiracy between lawyers and feminists, that's not allowed any more.

Give me one good reason why a man should be blamed for not escalating it? Or for trying to help or be sensitive etc.

Normal women aren't an issue - it's feminists.

Cromartie · Answer

Nothing has changed. With the advent of social networking and the "discovery of the male" this is what's come of it.

Men have always been like this, just as women have not changed either, but propaganda and false memories of the past have shown men to be "strong, courageous, defiant, and dominant" beings who lead and women as "elegant, intelligent, nurturing, and supportive" beings who follow.

Reality sucks: Men are whiny and have a lot of emotions and really get no emotional care or support by society. Women are inept with many not being born with the natural ability to cook ( HM ), are not exceptionally clean, and do not feel all those mushy emotions that they are attributed.

So what happens? Men look like p****** because they are "weaker" than their stereotype and women look like amazons because they are "stronger" than their stereotype. Obviously looking weaker is always going to hold you down.

For every failure it takes 5 successes. For every blackmark it takes 10 white marks.

Anonymous · Answer

*Guaranteed responses*

Of course. Us women are the root of evil. Women should be blamed for the bitterness of men. It's always our fault. We should be thankful that men grope us on buses, hit on us even when we make it clear we are NOT interested. We should be thankful our bosses want to sleep with us, we should be thankful when men think we are stupid, weak and lesser human beings than them. We should be thankful that we get stereotyped as sluts, prudes etc. Equality is bad because men are not superior to us anymore.

We are never confused. Men never have unrealistic standards like: I want a virgin girl who is nice, pretty, smart, has a huge rack, not clingy, outgoing yet she doesn't have male friends, funny, serious, sexy but also modest, a freak in bed (even though she is a virgin), dress nice but she doesn't need to have an expensive taste, be classy, intelligent but NOT too intelligent and of course LESS intelligent than him and a billion other contradicting shit.

Please, it's not easy for both genders.

And no, no one can "destroy" you. Your actions have consequences. Everyone has a choice on how to act. No one can really destroy anyone. It's always up to the individual.

Anonymous · Answer

I agree completely. Feminism went too far and taught us that acting like a man is wrong. Because of that people have been raising men to act like women. Then the men that do everything that feminism told them to do remains alone while watching men that, according to women, are jerks keep getting the girl.

Men should act like men. But if we admit that then shouldn't women act like women? That is a thought that many people are not willing to entertain, because it could unravel decades of effort towards gender equality. We should all have equal rights to pursue the path we want, but this perverse form of feminism is forcing men and women down the same road whether we want it or not. A good example is how some jobs have more men in them so they try to get women into these careers even though most women are not interested in having those jobs.

I know women are going to hate this answer, but we need to acknowledge men and women are not exactly the same, and are attracted to different types of traits.

Anonymous · Answer

The relationship between men and women is money for sex.

Men had the power to get sex when they were the sole source of money, but now the women can get their own money.

Women are still in control of sex, so men get it only when allowed. After marriage, a woman can deny sex, and if the husband strays, she can divorce and win big in court. And this is supposed to motivate young men to get trapped in marriage?

I've read a story of a guy whose wife has denied sex for 18 years. She is a stalwart member of their church, and there is no preaching in favor of sex - all against - sex is dirty, and needs to be controlled. All this benefits the woman and increases her power. I know guys who are in counseling for their "pornography problem" because their wives reported them to their pastor. I know of no women who have been chastised for denying sex.

Everything favors the woman's monopoly power over a man's sex.

In addition, the goal of technology is to make manual labor obsolete - which manual labor favored the men. Now we expect boys to sit still in classrooms and offices and do more detail oriented work which favors women. If the boys can't comply, we drug them or make them feel worthless because they aren't able to do girl stuff.

All in all, I see less purpose for men all the time. Like I do with my cattle, might as well have the good males do the breeding, and get rid of the rest. Just think - women wouldn't then complain about picking up dirty socks and other disgusting things associated with men.

Anonymous · Answer

I don't think women destroyed men they just send the wrong message about how they want to be treated. Women don't destroy me because I don't spend my time trying to be somebody I am not. It has its disadvantages because I never end up being the guy who gets the girl. I can say a lot of girls don't like the way I act because I am generally a nice guy and most girls seem to like being abused a bit.

I can only speak from experience having friends who were players and treated their girls like shit. I was never a girls type because I am nice but If I check a girl out and just want to sleep with her it makes me a pig. Women spend so much time trying to come up with a list of principles for how a guy should be that I think if they were put into a romantic comedy with Leonardo Dicaprio they would still find something to complain about. I lived with this girl once who I dated for a short time and she kept telling me what I needed to do with myself. In her mind she was this princess that I was never good enough for. She got mad at me because I didn't bond with her friends as well.

Anonymous · Answer

A real man shouldn't care if a spoil little snob (who thinks the world owe's her something due to years women fighting for their rights) is calling him bitter and whiny. If he sense a problem, he has the right to voice his opinion too. It shouldn't always be women dominating arguments.

Also if a woman is dealing with a man who cheated on her, then that's on her, knowing she turn the nice guy down. And they bitch about the world no longer has any good men, I say ladies get over it.

I think the reason why women love to talk down on men saying they are bitter cause they think a man's feelings is not important. They probably love to live in a world without men at all. God says love thy neighbor and not discriminate.

And why won't you say most men and destroyed women? Look at how many women become prostitutes, due to the fact that they never had that male role model during their childhood to keep them on the right track. so out of revenge, they want to sell their body for money out of revenge to get back in men. I say women like that are hopeless.

Anonymous · Answer

I don't think either gender destroyed by anyone. Figuring out the opposite gender can confusing and frustating at times, hence this site. I mainly come here for answers. I have no troubles getting girlfriends or asking women out. This being said I am pretty apathetic to dating though. If I get a date I get a date if I don't I don't. Sometimes I get a lot of interest from people for some period of time and sometimes I don't. There is way more to life than dating.

I find dating can seem quite complicated and confusing at times. Women sometimes do and say things that contradict or don't make sense and so do men. Yeah you'll hear complaints probably due to confusion and frustration. Some people take honest questions as complaints and don't take them seriously.

Yeah both genders didn't destroy one another but every person does add to making the dating world more complicated. It seems people try to act a certain way and say certain things in order to get a person to date them (men or women). We do things that sometimes don't make sense. We all also act a different way and say different things. We also demonize people for not acting in a specific way or saying certain things (within reason of course).

Instead of trying to find the perfect model for the way dating works we should all just be ourselves, say what we mean, and stop demonizing people for innocent actions.

I don't blame feminism for anything either seeing how a lot of the female answerers on here are bringing it up. Though I respectfully disagree with most modern feminism today. I will also admit that I dislike the "Nice Guy tm" argument because what a lot of feminists say "Nice Guy tm" are, are different than a lot of guys they label. There are many perfectly nice people who have trouble in the dating world who are just trying to figure things out like the rest of us here.

KoosBotha · Answer

Women treat men with contempt at best in most cases. I was a sensitive poetry writing boy in my teens and 20's.
Very gentle with girls, rape or violence never crossed my mind. That sort of thing was for ogres and psychopaths. Keep in mind I was a dedicated weight and martial arts adherent and by no means appeared weak or geeky.

My mother was a drunken 2nd wave feminist that reveled in tormenting men (and boys), you could see the spark in her eyes as she said things, and made accusations against me or other males. Truly a monster that should have been aborted.

I persevered and kept reminding myself that not all women are like my mother. Thankfully I only saw her twice a month as my father had custody of me after he divorced that venomous Succubus.

Eventually I began to see this man hating superior attitude in most (65% or so) of women.
Today I'm painfully alone yet have accepted that I will die single and alone.
I was married and because I don't know any better I married an abusive misandrist. Ruined my finances and my self esteem and worth.

I used to be a good man, not bad looking either. No Brad Pitt, but not ugly and fat. But I won't approach a woman at all outside of business or anything absolutely necessary. I won't help a woman change a flat tire. I am officially a misogynist now.

WoIIie · Answer

I don't mine most of the expectations that come with having a penis. The only thing I can't stand is putting value on a man based on how much money he makes. It's really disgusting. I just saw an article headlining that Michael Jordan is having another baby with a beautiful trophy wife 16 years his junior. If he was Mike the Bus Driver, no way would he be banging that woman.

As a society we are transitioning to a period of social and economic equality amongst genders yet expectations and ideals remain archaic. The same loving woman who would have been a housewife in 1950 married to Mr. Plumber, rode the express through academia, makes a 6 figure salary, and is now "too good" for Mr. Plumber. The only variable that changed is the woman now makes more money. Mr. Plumber is the same guy he always was. But because men are expected to make more, she's moving up the ladder for no reason other than the fact that she wants a man to make more. Absurd.

Jonny_ · Answer

No, men are often jerks regardless, I know many guys who know exactly where they stand and use it to their advantage. There is one or two who don't, but it's not girls fault, it's the fact that other guys have screwed girls over, so it's actually other guys, fucking over other guys.

30YearOldVirgin · Answer

I think a lot of men are angry over the fact that women now have equal rights compared to the past. Throughout most of recorded history women were property.

And men were much happier then. Because it was all about male dominance.

In todays world. They feel like they are no longer in control and it bothers a lot of them.

It is true that there are a lot of shallow and terrible women out there.

But a lot of men tend to victimize themselves as well.

Despite being a 30 year old virgin. I still enjoy being a man. And wouldn't trade it for anything.

jamesma87 · Answer

I think honestly nowadays I hear a lot of bitching from both sides. Men complain about women and women complain about men.

Everybody wants or expects something different from the other gender in dating that often doesn't live up to that. And if the person does, then usually it leads to marriage or at least a very long serious relationship

alltheabove1212 · Answer

I think men need to just be able to tell the difference between what women SAY they want and what they RESPOND to/are attracted to. Seriously, taking what women say they want word for word rarely is 100% foolproof. This isn't a slight against women either. Guys can SAY they are attracted to so and so, but what do they respond to? What do they end up going after. Actions over words.

And as far as not knowing how to act, it's in our best interest to be our most attractive selves. That way we're not "acting", but "being ourself" and giving ourselves the best chance of a girl clicking with us. At that point (whether or not the girl responds) it's kinda out of our control. So it's finding a happy medium between being our most attractive self and reading whether the girl responds to our attractive self. That can eliminate some of the confusion.

Anonymous · Answer

I think people need to start taking responsibility for how they act and feel, and especially for how they treat others.

Yes, I do believe in cause and effect, but ultimately (for example), it's not OTHER people's fault that I don't trust people because I've been hurt in the past, it's MY fault I don't trust people because I'm making the choice to not trust people.

People need to stop blaming others for their own shortcomings and dysfunctions. *I* am responsible for myself; how I behave, how I feel, how I treat others, how I allow others to treat me... it's all up to ME and no one else.

If someone has been "destroyed", they only have themselves to blame. And yes, I'm talking to myself there too, haha!

Anonymous · Answer

This site has lots of bitter whiny men(boys actually) but they love to use feminism as an excuse as for why:

They can't get laid

Uh, you aren't entitled to sex

Don't have girls approaching them

Girls get approached so much so what would be the point in girls approaching?

I think if anything men don't think logically anymore. But I have seen this whiny baby crap from men only on this site.

Hamburgers · Answer

"Let's face it us women often send mixed messages. We want men to be sensitive and then we call them weak. We want them to be more manly and then we call them pigs. "

It's so, so very refreshing to come across a woman with such objectivity. I'm not implying men are insusceptible to such a flaw, although on 'this' particular topic delusion skews in the woman's favor.

I certainly blame women for the man's downfall.

I was raised in a single parent household. If my mother wouldn't have been a typical woman who went for bad boys, I'd have had a father at home to teach me how to be a man.

Instead, a woman tried raising a boy into a man. She taught me how to interact with women. I wish a man was there to tell me the truth.

stubbsy · Answer

I personally make an effort towards a woman. But as far as it goes by being judged in this way, does not bother me at all, because I have a confident approach when it comes to women, and I don't fear being judged, I just know that whoever I date or have relations with, I will make the effort needed to maintain it. I don't expect and I don't take things for granted, so if I am in any way judged as weak or a pig, then I am OK with that, because all that tells me is that the woman who judged me is this way, was not right for me, which makes her judgement irrelevant to me and my approach or personality towards woman,x

99ProblemsAllBchs · Answer

I definitely think so, my current girl friend has fucked me up so bad. I'm bitter and think all girls are sluts. We broke up for a while then she made out with a guy 20 feet away from me at a bar she knew I was going to be going to 3 days later. Went home with a guy in front of me a week or two later that I know and have classes with, then ended up having a rumor go around that she had anal with a kid I've known since I've been 12. It wasn't true but she still ended up in his tent the night of so I'm still unsure. So yes women destroy men all the time.

kangaru · Answer

it is the lack of understanding from both genders , that why both are always at war. both camps would think the other party is wrong. also, I think it boil down to individual personality, some people may over think on certain issues and it lead to their behaviour/decision. however, I still feel that men are much easier to understand, women tend to be more complex.

Anonymous · Answer

Obviously! You brainwash people to make them think its only appropriate for one gender to do the approaching. You brainwash one gender to think the other gender are perverts, and that gender is brainwashed to despise that gender because we are taught that if we want some love, we have to act like somebody other then ourselves, and then those who don't know how to act like women want, get completely neglected. So yeah you can say women destroyed men. A man strength is measured by the force he puts out, never confuse his strength with his heart! If a man hates you because your a girl, then he has had his heart broken, which is better then who that broke his heart, who has no heart!

Anonymous · Answer

"We want men to be sensitive and then we call them weak. We want them to be more manly and then we call them pigs." You do know there is an in between to both of those things, right?

In reality it is just the men (boys?) on this site who are whiney, bitter, and over all just beta-males. They LOVE to blame feminism for everything that is wrong in their life. No girl wants a relationship with them? Feminism. No woman finds them attractive even though they barely even try to look good? Feminism. Girls don't take them seriously when they whine and sulk about how "hard" they have it? Feminism. Car breaks down in the middle of the road? Feminism.

And please, don't even get me started on the "nice guy" thing.

Every time I visit this site I genuinely hope I never encounter any man like the men on this site.

*Awaits down votes from all the bitter beta-males.*

Anonymous · Answer

75% of the men on this site are bitter and whiney. I just think that's the way they are.

Imagen · Answer

Women haven't destroyed men, things have just become more confusing in general. Without having a clearly established role, people need to find their own role, and that can be difficult.

If a man wants to be an attractive person he should work on himself for himself, not for women. That's all there is to it.

Anonymous · Answer

It's true. Men have started to become almost as bitter and whiny as women are and have been over the past 40 years. Men have taken a page from the book titled "How to Get Your Way by Playing the Victim Role", authored by women and preached from the rooftops to this day by every feminist in the land. It has become pretty pathetic, really.

Mixed messages? More like outright dishonesty.

kairon156 · Answer

I think more people need to learn to live with their self and understand who they are before criticizing how they see others or how others see them.

I just chose to be who I want to be and enjoy being single.

Men not marrying? How deep does "the problem" go?

https://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=rlvMAS_20K4

She is an amazing spokes person for societies view on men and Misandry in general.

standUP · Answer

Well you are right about sending mixed signals but a man is suppose to treat his woman with respect and still be man enough to protect her. The point where women destroy men is with some other mixed signals you come off as crazy and irrational. Men think in more logical ways so logic and your mindset just confuses the Hell out of us... So we are always wondering WTF?

titoloco · Answer

Too much generalization it hurts my brain! ahhhhhhhhh!

Have women destroyed men? No, they haven't.

Women's method of communication can be looked as bi-lateral, and often confusing for the average male, but it isn't something one cannot learn.

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I believe MOST relationship problems come from communication and not necessarily from personality flaws.

beastman88 · Answer

pretty much, I have no idea what women want. think both sexes are confused. women don't want to make the first move as they don't want to look slutty. men don't want to make the move because they fear rejection/humiliation. also whoever makes the first move automatically removes their position of power. women want security, status, popularity all which I don't have. not even a matter of looks, looks don't seem to matter. if I was loaded things would be a much different story

1awesomegtr · Answer

no offense to you women out there or guys I might offend but females have kind of destroyed guys because as you said you want use to be a certain way. It is like girls think that in a relationship girls expect guys to adjust to their needs and wants, sometimes making us bend backwards(no lie). the truth is that men are not very flexible. we don't wanna change and sometimes cant. us men want you to accept us for who we are  because we are ourselves on a regular basis. if that is too hard to grasp then don't try. I myself don't complain or whine unless I am joking. it is like females want use to be at a certain point of emotion but if we miss that point we get chewed up.

Billlewis · Answer

I don't think they've destroyed men, they've simply made their requirements known, because of their burgeoning leverage as single women. Single men don't have nearly as much value to women as they used to, because there are so many more single men than single women nowadays.

Telanstus · Answer

For the general public I would say about 50/50 blame to both sides with me leaning a bit towards men being at fault. I say men more so because of whiny 'nice guys' crying and complaining women are shit simply because they got friend zoned for themselves being undesirable to the women they pine for. Women are to blame only in situations where they use men for money/gifts and lead men on which is nothing new in this world.

Marsupilami · Answer

I take everyone for who they are. Men haven't become bitter and whiney. What ever issues you have with men don't judge the whole male population and blame the female population for it.

Anonymous · Answer

"I'm a nice guy and shallow women won't give any a chance!" That always makes my laugh.

Anonymous · Answer

No not really. I've learned to do a 180 as soon as I even suspect she's a bitch, plays games or has an ego.. I get along just fine. The younger generation are getting destroyed so to speak but they will learn in time. As we get older we won't stick around long enough to get "confused" as you will learn also. But you will always have the desperate ones who will put up with anything, those are the true wimps.

Anonymous · Answer

Look, we guys know how the world works. Everything is a competition. Everything. In work, school. play, dating, driving, ect. you are only judged by how much better you are than other people. If you are not taking advantage of someone, you are being taken advantage of.

This is what is messing everything up. Relentless dynamism. If you don't end up in the top 1% you are forced into a cubicle with (hopefully) a girl and are cheated out of time, money, and everything else. Then you are paid a fraction of your work, are yelled at to do better, and repeat.

It's not girls, its society. If we are too alpha we will end up jobless and homeless, too beta we will go no where. Couple that with the "you are special" "be true to yourself" and other hippie messages and you have your bitterness and confusion.

SaltandVinegar · Answer

Yes but I think destroy is the wrong word.  In modern society gender roles have become blurred, and that makes things more confusing for both genders.  Women do send a lot of mixed messages and that can be very confusing.. I think its partly due to the fact that women are told that they want a sensitive man but their instincts tell them they want a manly man.

Lafemmedeschats · Answer

I think you need not look at GAG men for the general consensus on women because most don't hate women nor are they bitter.

str8uphonesty · Answer

This about sums it up. But I think it's safe to say that time changes things. It's younger women that seem confused. Once the biological clock kicks in and they realize the time for messing around has come and gone they get a lot more rational...

Anonymous · Answer

I'll say both men and women destroyed men because of the expectations Guys are notorious for over complimenting and appreciating  women  and when guys do this it does nothing but boost the female ego to astronomical heights  therefore making it harder and harder for  men to even get the  below average plain Jane  women.

Anonymous · Answer

SOME MEN are bitter and whiney because they can't get dates or feel that men are superior to women and we should be subserviant to them when we are equal

how is that womens fault?

we don't do those things at all, we want men to be sensitive but being needy and clingy is TOO sensitive that's who people tell to man up not regular sensitive people, it gets misinterpreted to mean all sensitive people that's all.

we don't tell manly men theyre pigs either, we call arrogant jerks theyre pigs

Anonymous · Answer

I have certainly been burned by a couple of rude selfish women but I wouldn't say that women have destroyed men. Women just want a man that acts like a man but knows how to be sensitive when the time comes. Women get the raw end of the stick just as much as men do. So I think we all mess up each other.

Anonymous · Answer

Not just that, but because of it, I simply don't bother with them anymore and stopped when I was a teenager still. Just not worth it. I'll stay single lol.

But men in general haven't "made" women any better either. I think both genders are to blame and society in general. It's kind of sad really.

DANA500 · Answer

I think that we have gone too fat in cutting their balls off. That's what I think. We went from the idea to become equal to the point where we want them to accept they mean nothing to us but still act like we want them to.

Anonymous · Answer

Men are clueless because they are clueless. Women have nothing to do with it.

Anonymous · Answer

Did you expect anything else to see that almost every women sees no Problem with it. Women just don't care at all about a guys problems.  All they want is how much can this guy do for me and spend on me for me to invest my time in trying to take his stuff

05Jueey · Answer

The men I respect and admire are the ones who keep it together and manage the relationships in their lives in a healthy way despite the influence from others

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