Dear Delusional Guys: Not Every Girl's Ulterior Motive is To Destroy You

[nicky]

I'm not sure when this started happen but it seems as if every guy on the face of the earth believes something...utterly absurd. I mean, so illogical and irrational that it makes me worry that the entire male species has gone off the deep end.

Looking around GaG (and elsewhere online in other communities), it has become painfully obvious that guys are accusing women of just about everything. Guys whine all the time even when they don't call it "whining" but this has reached a fever pitch and it's starting to become worrisome. I'm well aware of the imbalances in today's society but the rash generalizations are just insane; walking around saying, "I'm giving up on women," or, "all women are out to stomp on a man's throat" is not only insulting to most females, it's also scary.

I find it terribly ironic that men complain they're in an impossible position when it comes to sexual harassment accusations (in other words, if a man is accused, he has no defense and the woman is always in the right), but then they just get more hostile. Being more hostile isn't going to make us feel any more comfortable around you, you morons. It's only going to make us even more wary of what you might do, especially when we read some of the hateful things you post online. You're only driving the wedge between the sexes even deeper.

Yeah, I know. Tons of guys have been screwed over in divorce court. I know guys who say they're constantly being rejected, and how they're always getting the short end of the stick. I understand all that and as I said above, things are out of whack. I admit women have a significant edge right now in terms of how our society is structured, and I'm not one of those feminazis who say idiotic things like, "yeah, women should be above men because men were above women for so long!" I'm not a hypocrite; I don't believe in "eye for an eye" and I don't believe in punishing a guy because his grandfather might've sexually harassed his secretary at work, in a time when that was perfectly acceptable to do so.

But I reserve the right to be insulted when guys lump me in with such women. And yeah, it's frightening to know how many men are saying these awful things about women...I'm always worried about meeting one on a dark street somewhere. You're not making things any easier for us to accept you, guys. This behavior is only making everything worse, don't you get that? Or are you really just a bunch of cowards and are afraid to make commitments and take responsibility?

I'm sure that'll rile people up but it's a perfectly plausible explanation, and certainly more logical than "all women are evil." No, not all women are out to destroy your lives, guys, and in fact, I dare say that a very tiny percentage have any interest in crushing men. Most women - the overwhelming, vast majority - would very much like to have a nice man in their lives, and that's it. Guys are bitching about how they can't find any nice girls, about how all girls seem to play these games and are superficial and have the ulterior motives. You really think girls aren't thinking similar things about guys? How long have we women been worried that EVERY guy is only in a relationship for sex?

If you men are going to scare us with your bitterness, and you're not even willing to admit that you might be a TAD nuts when you start all your sentences with "all women are...", then yeah, you're going to be alone. And you deserve to be alone. On the other hand, if you just want act normal and live in reality for a few minutes, you might be very pleased at the results. :)

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

*sigh* Who here has studied the basics of economics? Or if not, understands that people respond to incentives?

Shall we play Russian Roulette with a 6 chamber revolver with HALF the chambers loaded? As in, you've got 1 in 2 odds that you blow your head off?

No?

But? But? Why?

Shitty odds, hmm?

Those are the odds of getting divorced in America. And as a guy, nearly universally you will be on the shitty end of how that turns out.

But hey, women are worth that risk, yeah?

They come with obesity, shitty entitled attitudes, lists of demands for what a man ought to be, and other men's kids.

Given the option to chance it with a woman and get married, I'd rather play Russian Roulette with the aforementioned odds. At least that will just kill me.

Here's another thing about incentives, miss. "You moron," "Dear delusional guys," "Guys are bitching," "Guys whine all the time," ... yeah, tell you what, when I want to change someone's mind, first thing I do is try to piss them off and call them names. Good tactic.

Here's the fact: I'm single. I'm staying that way UNTIL a woman can manage to ONLY be a FRACTION of the BARE MINIMUM that NONE of you have any excuse not to be. E. g. Pleasant and not fat. THAT'S it. THAT is all I ask, and that is a world too much to ask.

You say not all women are like that? I've dated all the way up to age 47, from multiple countries on multiple continents and plenty of US states. Many cultures, every major and some minor religions, and some I had to draw on my being multilingual to even talk to.

Know what they all had in common? They all made me sad that I wasted my time with them.

[NewEnglandDude]

Halle Fucking Lujah

[candyaurora]

Really all the cultures? Women in my part of the world are quite different..

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

@candyaurora Look closer at what I wrote. It was "many cultures." But, if you're to be taken as an an example of women of your culture, then you share a trait with women of every culture I've experienced: not being able to listen.

[candyaurora]

Lol I asked a simple question and you also share a trait with men of every culture I've experienced: not being able to understand what a woman is saying.

[Felinegirl]

And to make it equal:
Dear girls, not all men are a-holes who are just trying to get into your pants only to leave once they got what they wanted.

[Botchie]

AMEN! That's basically what I've been trying to say to other people in this thread. Like everything else, it goes both ways.

[Felinegirl]

@Botchie thank you!

[MrOwens]

Not every single woman is going to be out to destroy a man. That's obvious. However a lot of people live with the grandiose stories in attitudes towards women when things go sideways when things don't turn out the way that they should or hope to. Don't get me wrong there are some women that are out here that think that is great to take advantage of men and use them for whatever resources are gains to fulfill whatever pieces missing in her life. But ladies please don't feel so privileged. There are men out here that destroy women. And I will agree with some of the ladies comments on here. There are men on here that lack the social skills or life skills to attract the opposite sex. Adduci where are this article has some valid points. Some men like to over exaggerate what happened to them. As much as the ladies like to over exaggerate the stories as well. We now just live in a society that is bringing it more into attention. Men these days with self-imposed entitlement often think that there is a reward. The fact of the matter is is that nobody owes anyone anything. And just because one person or several people tell you no. Does not mean that women are out to destroy men. I think where Modern and then get it confused if they cannot handle the word no or rejection. We live in a society where everybody gets a trophy. The reality is there's winners and there are losers. If a man is constantly losing all the time he should be reevaluated what he is doing wrong. Not getting pissed off and bent out of shape. Rejection is part of life and I should be getting used to the word no everybody should be getting used to the word no. Are there men that are delusional and go overboard absolutely. Is it happening more than often yes it is it's on the rise. The solution now days as guys get angry and violent instead of trying to figure out what what did I do wrong that I can improve on. No one thinks like this anymore. But that's what devised the successful from the unsuccessful. Hope everyone's having a wonderful day.

[Bvroon]

Look, this works both ways, yes there might be women who are out to "get" men, and to some degree they may be justified in feeling the way they do, perhaps they were taken advantage of or abused, whichever the case may be. Similarly there may also be men out there who feel that they also need to retaliate due to whatever injuries and or injustices they may have suffered at the hands of a woman.

In the end I would recommend that this whole sequence of events be given a rest and that it might be best to take caution or fear of the opposite sex on a case by case basis. To help illustrate this point, I will use myself as an example. Yes it is a fact that things did not work out for me and my first wife. Yes she stepped out on me and cheated, in fact she got pregnant by another man, and yes that all sucked and yes I was hurt, angry and all of the other stuff that goes with that. The situation was bad, however despite all of those circumstances, and at the time she left me, she did so with both my son and the baby of the other guy. So yes that was a crappy thing to do, however the baby in question had no choice in the matter and really needed a parent, so I stepped up to the plate to be the father he needed, again it was not the fault of the child, and I certainly wasn't going to punish the child for the mistakes his mother made. So I went about raising this baby for the first year of his life, I remember rocking him to sleep at night and loving him as I would my own. In fact I did this in such a way that he called me Daddy (my name). as it would happen after his first year of life, his mother decided to take custody, which I did not fight, as it he was not biologically mine.

At any rate my whole point is yes things went poorly with my first wife, but I was not willing to fill myself with hate and anger towards the other child or really towards other women for that matter. She made some bad choices, I made some bad choices as well. I learned from those choices, and I feel I'm a better man for it, no sense in hating a population of women for something they had nothing to do with. Life is far to short to be so angry and bitter, besides as I understand it women are not attracted to bitter angry men, so that would not have helped me or them for that matter. Better to live and learn than to give up all pissed and bitter.

[Relentless_Hippie]

You sound like a beautiful person.

[cth96190]

My retaliation is to do. . . nothing.
That is all that we have to do to both minimise the danger posed by women and exact a degree of revenge upon the female collective.
No dating, no sex, no relationships, no economic support, no children. . . nothing.
At least to date, the apparatus of the state cannot be used to force us to have relationships with women and to sire children.
Men who have done a rational cost/risk/benefit calculation of interaction with women will stay home, save their money, minimise their tax (because most of it is extorted from men by the state to fund the lifestyles of those strong independent women, who do not need a man) and treat women as invisible.
To quote Sun Tzu: “If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”

[Bvroon]

@Relentless_Hippie Thank you I appreciate your compliment. :-)

[cth96190]

@nicky
You advance the "not all women are like that" argument.
In response, I offer you the Skittles example. Here is a bowl of Skittles. Half of them will destroy you with one or more of: a false sexual harassment allegation; a false rape allegation; a false domestic violence allegation; a false allegation that the you molested your own children; or take you to the Family Court and use a biased legal process to steal everything that you own, deny you access to your children, while, at the same time, demanding that you pay extortionate child support, which, if you do not pay, will result in men with guns being sent to put you in chains and drag you off to the modern version of debtors' prison.
Would you like to try one of those Skittles, to find out whether or not it is one of the poisoned sweets?
The Skittles example is a tad weighted in favour of women, because the divorce rate alone is around 50 per cent in most of the Western world. It does not take into account the batshit insane Feminist harpies who turn workplaces and places of education into misandric combat zones in which every word has to be considered and scripted before it is uttered.
Men are reacting in the way that they are as a result of 60 years of unrelenting abuse and hatred directed at them by Feminists, whose lobbying power has resulted in the law of the land being used to discriminate against men.
The only way that a man can find out whether a particular woman is one of the poisoned Skittles, or not, is to try to date her. That alone can result in his destruction, via a sexual harassment allegation. Or, if a date happens, a false rape allegation.
If the man survives that and forms a long-term relationship with the woman, she has all the legal cards and can, at any moment, go to the Family Court and leave the man a homeless pauper on a park bench.
Men are not cowards. Men make rational cost/risk/benefit assessments. In the case of modern women, they fail the assessment.

[Botchie]

Or simply put, men have to have their guard up when it comes to protecting themselves from potential life ruining events just as women have to protect themselves from potential assault, rape, etc. Now each side sees what the other has to put up with.

[castratedwhiteguy]

This may be true. However, feminism, the corporations and government have changed the relationship between men and women to the point where we can't realistically expect to find lasting relationships with women anymore. And these changes took place without any input or consent from men. Women have been removing themselves from marriage since the 1960's and now guys are finally waking up to what's been going on. The vitriol that you've been seeing online is quite predictable considering the fact that most of these guys were raised by single mothers, and don't know what a healthy marriage even looks like. That's why you don't hear male musicians playing powerful buy corny love songs like these anymore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XyhFQeob0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xw3pjpRpighttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoYwcHWlo0

You'll probably never hear songs like these sung by male musicians ever again.

Instead, we've grown older, wiser and more liberated so it's more about bitches and hos now, witness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs

[Peskyn3gr0]

Maybe the problem you can't keep a relationship going (or get into one) is because you refer to women as "bitches and hos", maybe if you weren't such a scumbag you'd realize women in 2016 are alright. Women have the right to be independent, just because they're not slaves to men being confined to households doesn't mean our nation is going to the toilet.

[castratedwhiteguy]

@Peskyn3gr0 Check out my profile. Maybe you didn't notice that I'm widowed, so that means I was probably in a healthy marriage longer than you've been alive. Also, I don't refer to women as bitches and hos. It's your generation's fucked up home boy rap artists who are doing that. I'm just pointing out how sick some of today's music really is. You need to pay more attention to detail before shooting your mouth off...

[Mrwoo99]

@nicky Its because dating, relationships and marriage is unfair, discriminating and unequal to men. Why would you want to participate in something where your placed at a disadvantage where the rules favor the female sex. Its just an automatic loss so I might as well just go mgtow, jack off with a fleshlight to porn and pay to bang model escorts as that seems more satisfying and much rewarding or easier than putting up with todays women.

I cannot honestly bare anymore with women's bitchy, whorish, mind games, attention seeking, complicated issues, emotional drama, bad attitude, flaky, cold responses, manipulative, using me, hypergamy nature and child like self entitled immature behavior. What man wants a relationship with that? Women are not like they used to be because of feminism and many guys are pulling away from it because they've had enough of you women.

If there is millions of men across the globe going MGTOW women surely to god must know they're causing a major problem which needs looking into. The time, energy, graft, money, work, risk and stress men have to go through to find sex or a partner is so ridiculous I'd rather either just jerk off with a fleshlight to porn or pay around 100bucks for a great time with a beautiful model escort.

[roamer]

If her tone is a guide they are still in denial

[Mrwoo99]

@roamer They're just sugar coating bs to pass the blame that everything is fine because its favoring them. They're trying to shut men up the same way they shame men for crying out for help then resulting in an increase of male suicide rate. Feminism believes women are more important than men.

[roamer]

Agree AND, Feminism goes further – it is Marxism and that ultimately is my concern here – shout down the opposition and control. She is the result of an underhanded political movement, a social experiment that went badly. These women that go around shouting victim and man hate have the weakest minds and are the easiest exploitable by the hard core Marxists/Feminists. The Feminist misjudged however, they never predicted that the men would have enough sense to simply avoid them and walk away. This rejection by a large cross section of men and the remaining rational women might be the only things that save everyone from this tyranny.

[Anonymous]

When men say "every woman" they're mostly referring to western women and any other civilization influenced by the western culture, not every woman in the world. In fact, these men are probably more interested in learning about foreign women than they are American women. American women just can't understand why a Brazilian woman, for example, is more ideal to the American male and this is because American women always think that the problem is just with men and not ever themselves. And it's not that men want it to be how it was before, when women truly were oppressed, it's just many women are taking the freedoms and privileges they have for granted, and ultimately abusing it in some cases.

For example, younger males look around them and see all these men being screwed over in divorce court and so they start preparing for a future where they won't get married to avoid that same outcome. This doesn't mean that they believe every woman is an evil witch, it's rather just trying to avoid the possibility of falling for one and then regretting it later. My companion will probably be a woman who makes more money than I do, so that she isn't relying upon me for any type of financial assistance. In fact, I can't wait until women as a whole start realizing how much they hate being the main "breadwinner" in their relationship. I've already met a few who did have that role and they hated it.

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: How to find the good comments/truth here? Blue thumbs up and pink thumbs down, especially in a shaming riddled lecture topic like this.

[Anonymous]

Guys I meet around me aren't like this. Guys in real life have some annoyances with women, but since they are healthy, socially adjusted men, they find a relationship with a woman a pleasing experience that they can reach and it's overall worth the pursuit. You've spent too much time on the internet around "basement dwellers" with no social skills who scream on the internet only because they are so inhibited, they can't even speak up in real life.

And I do feel sorry for guys like that. It's not fair they've been emasculated by feminist pseudo-psychology. It's downright cruel towards them. But don't think the outlook is so bleak. Not all men are losers who need to justify their lack of social skill with claims of CHOOSING celibacy. Go out and enjoy a social life. If you've been so much online, you may need some social skill practice yourself. The only reason you could ever be worried is that West will not snap out of it and more and more young men will be born without any ability to lead in a relationship with a woman.

[dudeman]

the guys you meet on the netand real life are the same people.

[Hopefuldreamer8]

It's because they go for the wrong kind of women all the time. It's the same with the women who complain that men are all jerks. It's irritating reading some of these questions or MyTakes about these men and women who lump one gender together. The problem isn't the gender, it's the person who goes for that type of person. They don't learn from it either. Instead, they swear off the opposite gender completely.

[JohnDoe3000]

Yes, this is the best comment I've seen on this thread. The trick is to either change the type you go for or acknowledge that your type is a difficult one so you expect to get burned and spend a long time looking without that being the fault of the entire opposite sex.

Although there will always be a "bottom layer" of people (several times more men than women, because of evolutionary reasons) with poor looks or social ineptitude who can only get abusive/exploitative relationships and those people are overrepresented on the internet.

[cth96190]

When I was young, the only type of female I met were the girls who threw themselves crotch first at the bad boys.
Decent young men were relegated to the Friend Zone, because they were 'boring' or 'not fun enough'.
After I had that experience day after day for about 15 years, I came to an evidence-based conclusion that women wanted scumbags and losers. Consequently, not long after I turned 30, I realised that I was engaged in a futile exercise, so I walked away.
Women, as a collective, were not interested in buying what I had to sell.
That was not my fault, or theirs. That was just how things were.
By the time that I was 35 women were hitting on me. Even at my somewhat advanced age, women make moves on me in ways that would astonish younger men.
What I see is a former party princess, who spent her teens and 20s fucking a conga line of bad boys, then had an epiphany about the age of 30 and became interested in men who were more like me.
Should I feel good about that?

[JohnDoe3000]

@cth96190

But that's precisely the thing: I'm much younger than you and I've already met many demure, shy girls, "sweet" girls, nerdy girls, weird artsy girls, etc... I'm not attracted to them (except some of the higher quality nerdy girls, I'm not attracted to party girls either btw), but I don't deny they exist. And even the hot ditzy party girls aren't necessarily out to screw men over: they can be perfectly faithful to a hot ditzy party guy. But if you're some non-hot nerdy guy the only hot ditzy party girls who are ever going to be with you are the ones with ulterior motives. That's not a sign of all women being evil, that's a sign of you having a difficult taste.

[Hopefuldreamer8]

I'm one of the bottom layer people. I'm extremely ugly and I also have social anxiety. I've never been in a relationship at all. I just don't date at all.

[JohnDoe3000]

@Hopefuldreamer8

That must suck so bad. I'm no Casanova but I at least know that there are always some women I consider "meh" (personality or looks wise) who are into me so if I didn't have my peculiar standards I wouldn't have to be single.

You've probably been told this a thousand times but social anxiety is something you can work on and you can't be uglier than some of the girls I've seen who had relationships, so it's possible if you get rid of the social anxiety.

[Hopefuldreamer8]

My social anxiety is due to my looks though. I've been made fun of so much for my looks that I ended up developing it. Social anxiety is easy to fix when you get to the root of the problem, but unfortunately, my looks can't change and even at my age people still bother me about my looks.

[JohnDoe3000]

@Hopefuldreamer8

That's a nasty chicken-or-the-egg situation that you probably need professional therapy to solve. It's a leap of faith that that you'll need iron discipline for to make, similar to a fat ugly guy deciding to go on a multi-year grueling diet, exercise and grooming schedule, but these things do pay off for a lot of people and really, what have you got to lose?

[Hopefuldreamer8]

@JohnDoe3000 Yeah I don't need professional help. I am not psycho.

[AhGojira]

Well I'm not going to read that rant, but I'd assume you hear a lot of that because it's rooted in truth. Look at divorce rates and generally what happens to men in divorce. Divorce happens more often than not, so the majority of women that get in committed relationships with men are taking advantage of men at some point. So most men are cautious. Then you can toss in false rape accusations... Crazy bitches that throw your clothing on the front lawn or break your car. Girls that hit men and don't expect to get hit back. False reports of stalking because she's mad at her ex and had an argument. The endless epidemic of gold diggers... As men we have to weed through way to many bad women to not say something about it.

[Cosytoasty]

"it makes me worry that the entire male species has gone off the deep end."
"Looking around GaG (and elsewhere online in other communities)"

Do you think the entire male species sits at home venting on a computer? You can't write a take about generalisations yet OPEN IT with a generalisation lmao.

[Notorisch_Arschloch]

Their hypocrisy, among other forms of stupidity and/or lunacy, makes the serious among them indistinguishable from the satirists. But it does make for some good hahas for us, doesn't it?

[Library]

I get that. I understand that not every girl's motive is to destroy me. I chose to be celibate because of personal reasons. These myTakes about why people think it's wrong that I gave up on women are beginning to annoy me and everyone else. Please stop.
occultum.net/.../...g-ears-make-it-stop-face11.jpg

[Fathoms77]

... this isn't a myTake about why you giving up on women is wrong.

[pr3ttybr0wn]

And this is exactly why I take a slower pace and try to get to know a guy. because I dont know if he really has that horrible attitude towards women (including me) and isn't just faking it to get laid. sure there are horrible people out there of both genders, but the bitterness is when you just shouldn't be attempting to date at all.

[cth96190]

MGTOW do not try to date, usually.
Most MGTOW are no longer interested in women, because they have done a rational cost/risk/benefit analysis and women failed.

[EnteringValhalla]

@cth96190

[EnteringValhalla]

women didn't just fail that analysis, they fail MISERABLY

[Darkfairie17]

I totally agree with you @pr3ttybr0wn. I'm incredibly cautious dating too.

[kickme]

due to liberal feminist media, teachers and politicians, American women are only good for sex. Any involvement with them is futile/dangerous/discouraging. You get a woman from China, Korea, Mexico or South America for marrying or relationships. American women are "equal" now so don't need American men.

[Rissyanne]

Aren't you the charmer...

[kickme]

@Rissyanne except for you Rissyanne, but yes, feminism has had unintended consequences. Successful young men 15 years younger than me are choosing not to marry in droves, too dangerous.

[Triss]

Lol i srs feel sorry for *some* G@G men
Its so cringe srs bcs you see nerds here who sit all day in front of a computer and dont have the balls to face what the REAL life offers
They come around complaining girls like douches but they have no idea bcs you have to be a girl to try it
We dont like cowards and crybabies and douches but we want a man who is a REAL MAN not a babydoll
A real man doesn't have to be a douche to be a sexy personality its just some guys who commented here are too shallow to understand the difference between real manly man and douche

This is an answer to all those men who commented the thing that we like douches

[Alphonso]

"Or are you really just a bunch of cowards and are afraid to make commitments and take responsibility?"

I would like to ask what commitments would you make to a man? Would you vow to never divorce-rape a man, take his children away from him, his house, his car and the major share of his income? With 75% of the divorces initiated by women, I would say that men have good reason to be wary of today's woman.

Likewise, regret sex where a woman accuses a man of rape on what was previously assumed to be a consensual act, can and often does end up ruining men's lives. Look at Jackie of UVA fame or the Duke rape case or Columbia's mattress girl.

Tell me that women want to love a man and not use him until someone better comes along.

[deraz24]

Like really though, just because a few women turned you down doesn't mean we all out to get to you. I tried to say not all of us are bad/the same, but they're so discouraged and bitter its almost funny. Even tried explaining to one that maybe they're not the problem if they all treat you the same so he could see if he's doing anything wrong, but hey its whatever. What are they really gonna do, switch teams lol.

[Botchie]

You could say the same thing about how women treat men tho. It's essentially men taking precautions about getting screwed over financially, legally, etc the same way women take precautions of not getting assaulted, raped, etc. And of course it's "Not all men/women" but it is seemingly (from my personal experience) that it is a very good portion of each gender just trying to protect themselves. Outside of my last girlfriend, every date that I went on, I ended up being ghosted completely by the girl. I didn't do anything creepy or weird. I was very respectful and polite. Then is when they'd lie to me and say they had a good time and can't wait for the next date. I don't blame them for lying about it though. Some guys are pretty hostile, just like some girls can be in their own way (i. e. passive aggressive, manipulative, and in fewer cases, equally violent). Each person should be treated on a case by case basis and everyone should have their guard up.

[deraz24]

@Botchie Sure but each case isn't the same like you said, so everyone has to stop "seemingly" treating people like the asshole who hurt them. I've never had too much of a bad relationship, even if something went a way I didn't wanted to I hadn't held a grudge for every person came after that, bc we're not the same by far, I have more than enough sense to not give up on a situation bc of a few misfortunes. That's sounds crazy, like do you know how many pl are in this world that would treat each and every one of these hurt ass dudes right. They don't and won't because they've given up apparently. It's no excuse, like keep trying

[Botchie]

@deraz24 I agree with you. I was just trying to point out one reason it happens with an analogy. I mean, people just suck in general, regardless of their gender. That being said, I'm still going to treat everyone the best I can until they give me reason not to. I'm glad you don't give up on a situation because of a few misfortunes. I'm the same way, especially when it comes to dating. Just to be clear, I'm not one of the guys who believes that girls are out there to screw him over, but at the same time, I'm not gonna ignore an obvious red flag when it appears. Just as women shouldn't ignore red flags that a guy could turn hostile or is using them for any number of things.

[deraz24]

@Botchie Good to know you have common sense lol.

[amphet11]

Ill start my sentence with "all women are" all women are hypergamous biologically and most have a sexual value much higher than men (as 1% of men can knock up 100% of women thus 99% of men are superfluous to reproduction, bateman's principle etc.) Women will always have an advantage in dating it's biologically innate. With this women can abuse this power and are thus labelled like you have mentioned above. most men know of this today and resent women to at least some degree because of it.

[amphet11]

"you still think a woman on her own brings more value to a relationship than a man does on his own, so you expect the man to bring additional value in the form of utility." this is what @alphadoggystyle said, it is spot on and biologically intrinsic to women, even if it is subconscious to a lot of women. Female sexuality is something to be wary of as it's high maintenance and malevolence is scientific fact.

[dudeman]

what do you care you're married? also until women take a less progressive roll I fear this trend with continue. there is no reason to date modern women. they slut it up for their most valuable years and want some stupid bastard to wife her up in her late twenties or thirties. come on now be realistic.

[Alphonso]

The more sexual partners a woman has the more difficult it will be for her to bond with the man that she eventually decides to marry.

[deraz24]

Every woman doesn't live like that though.

[dudeman]

@deraz24 you're right but most do.

[roamer]

@Alphonso I wondered also—but you nailed it—she is still out-and-about looking

[roamer]

Out of all the opinions here—this is the most revealing and displaying (real-time) of pure hypocrisy of the feminists-a married woman shaming-on single men This opinion is evidentiary

[deraz24]

I wouldn't even say most, it's just the ones who hurt them. As many people there are in this world I do think the good outweighs the bad a little.

[dudeman]

@deraz24 not with western women. the bad far outweigh the good.

[deraz24]

still don't think that's true there's too many of us, i've never ran into a woman who has treated the man like shit, seen it the other way around though, and that stills doesn't deter me from trying to have a normal relationship. I just don't get it lol, when have guys felt so sensitive, men not suppose to let a woman get the best of them that's so backwards to me.

[dudeman]

@deraz24 its not women getting the best of men its the laws that the society has passed over the last fifty years. also at my age women tend to have slept around and that just makes them unsuitable for marriage or any type of serious relationship.

[deraz24]

Y'all are saying that though, lol look at all these post from guys and say that's not what they're saying. And how is the law really gonna regulate people from having regular relationship that's still no excuse, i'm sorry. And I don't think many woman at 30 are gonna be virgins, but that shouldn't stop anyone from probably being in a bomb ass relationship if they would just try it. Not saying people should go with a straight hoe, but a few people on their body count by that age shouldn't be a deal breaker.

[dudeman]

@deraz24 I agree a few people on their list shouldn't matter. problem is women this age that have are single don't have just a few men on their list. its more like 20-40

[deraz24]

That is a lot but maybe they just haven't found what they're looking for lol I don't know I only have 1, that still shouldn't deter someone from being with them if they find them worth it though I don't know.

[dudeman]

@deraz24 sure I agree. however I and any man with self respect and any sort or standards would not consider such a women worth it even if she is an amazing person that shoots beer from her nipples and farts gold coins. why would any decent man want that to be the mother of his children.

[deraz24]

Understandable, that just cuts down on the chances of finding that one, the older we get the higher the body count is gonna be unfortunately, some lower than others but higher nonetheless. So what are the options when you're 35 40 45. What're you gonna do.

[dudeman]

@deraz24 well now i have a cut off of a womens age of 23 years old. when I'm 45 ill just have women i have sex with. whats the point of marriage at that age anyways? a serious relationship is for building a home for children. at 45 id be too old to have a child anways so whatever.

[deraz24]

That's sad lol

[dudeman]

@deraz24 why is that sad? its the modern feminist culture we live in. the feminist fought for this and now we have it.

[deraz24]

It's crazy though because women are expected to except a man whatever his body count most of the time and guys feel wishy washy when its on a woman. Sex is sex either way.

[dudeman]

@deraz24 sex affects women different then it does men. also women are penetrated and men do the penetrating. so its also different in that aspect as well. similarly men and women are not the same mentally as well so we view sex differently also. so yes sex is sex but its also so much more then that.

[deraz24]

It's still fucking either way anyone can catch a disease or whatever and the mentality thing is bullshit, more and more people are having "casual" sex nowadays so I don't think that's a factor, and the marriage thing is sad lol it just is.

[dudeman]

@deraz24 well the mentality thing is not bullshit. studies show that mentally stable men have more sex partners the opposite is true for women. men and women are different. its that simple. also yes more and more people have causal sex however less and less people get married and stay married while more and more kids don't have a father in the house. feminism at its finest.

[deraz24]

I don't even really see no feminist so idc ab them. And damn the study lol sex is sex I've seen more women act like guys nowadays in the that sex mentality and they're just peachy, so I don't know. Double standards need to stop it ain't fair, men should treat their bodies like temples too if women are expected to do it. A lot of women don't want a guy who stuck their dick in whole lot of people neither you know, so what if we refused like the way you said earlier.

[dudeman]

@deraz24 that's the thing though. men are fine better at being alone than women. relationships and marriage are for women and children. beer, video games and bro culture is what men naturally are.

[deraz24]

I honestly like all of that and women are capable of being alone, but as soon as one says that they don't need a man or something people say something ab that too.

[Absolute_Revenge]

@deraz24 How can you say that when we men see it happening with our own two eyes?

[deraz24]

@Absolute_Revenge Yea with some other woman

[TayTay21]

There are tons of abusive/messed of people of both genders out there. Girls aren't as nice and sweet on the whole as we like to think we are. I have two older brothers, and they've had girls steal their shit, stalk them, try to get them in trouble at work, etc. So guys have every right to complain about girls, just as girls have every right to complain about fucked up guys.

[charlie_boy]

Hello Nicky, this is a very interesting read and I can see a lot of sense in it.

However, i don't believe it's 100% the fault of mens mindsets, I believe the media, the rise of social media and online dating plays a role in creating a new kind of pressure on men which in turn compels them to think as such.

Also, although times are changing and I know the majority of women are moral and not out to destroy a man, I strongly believe that a bit of change and adaptation is needed on both side, in terms of communicating, interaction and acceptance for each other as they are.