Why All Women Are Manipulative Liars

[Apope16]

First of all, you might be wondering if the title to this mytake is "clickbait". The answer is ABSOLUTELY. Of course not all women are liars. I am sure any woman reading this is an exception to the rule. But I would argue that most women are liars.

Any woman reading this will be so blinded by how offensive the title is that she will be governed by her emotions. While men are governed by logic and reason, a woman will be so invested in her emotional state reading this right now that she won't even bother to realize that she is a liar herself.

The other thing to note is whether it is a bad thing that women are liars. I would argue that just because women are liars it is in some ways a good thing. But it is confusing.

What do I mean by all women are liars?

What I mean is that a woman since the day she is born is conditioned not to be strong and independent and express her truest feelings and thoughts. It starts by making new girlfriends with white lies. Saying you like Anna's dress when you dont. What she gained in return was the friendship of Anna. So then they grow up learning that women can get things by dishonesty.

So now the man asks for her number for a date. She gives out her number without any intention of calling her. Because women are liars and are afraid of confrontation. Or a woman is no longer in love with a man so she starts fights to sabatage the relationship. She actively engages in inflicting pain because she has no courage to actually express what she believes. In romance the girl likes a guy for months but never asks him out. So she flirts, ruffles her hair, makes him jealous, does all this crap when she could have just asked the guy out. The sex isn't working? Well, she will tell all her girlfriends and never tell her man a word until she falls out of love. The woman will fake headaches or fake orgasms.

Men, because women are liars, you are expected to read her mind or its your fault you didn't heal her pain.

[genericmaniac]

Everybody lies. Don't single women out. We don't do it to make your life harder, believe it or not

[ChiTown33]

True but women are socially "indirect". So you could say lying is in their genetic makeup.

[nathanp97]

Chi, guys can be indirect too. Not telling people how we feel isn't direct either. Guys in general are more direct in what they say, but in many cases we don't say things we should, which is indirect too, just in a different way.

[ChiTown33]

@nathanp97 i'd call that more of a lie of ommission than being indirect.

[genericmaniac]

I don't think genetics has anything to do with it. It's behaviour we're taught, and I really don't think you can limit lying as a social mechanism of survival to women

[nathanp97]

Actually women do tend to be more social and have had to rely on it more than men. Men were often the ones to go off hunting while women stayed behind in more of a social setting gathering looking after kids, cooking and making things.

Also if you take men and women of above average intelligence, on average, the women have a more developed social part of the brain.

So women tend to be more social and at least smaller white lies tend to be more prominent in people who are more social, as they care more about staying in those settings (in my opinion). And I'm not saying this is every woman, or a portion of this isn't taught.

[ChiTown33]

@nathanp97 that's what i was getting at.

[Rolando755]

Women are worse. You're more manipulative, judgmental and when you ARE caught lying you play innocent, play the victim or the reciprocate game to try and slither out of it. You know it, we know, it. It's true.

[shotsfired1]

liar

[EGarzona]

@Rolando755 men lie and manipulate just as much as women do. Lying is not bias to gender.

[Tdieseler]

replying to the original opinion, this is true. everyone lies... but here's the difference... you dont see men running around saying women should be honest at all times, we understand that we gotta lie. but women want honesty... and every smart man in the world knows what happens if you are 100% honest with a woman 100% of the time... women dont ever want one thing... they want selective (that thing) meaning "give us just the good part, keep the bad". honesty, its fine to tell her what she did to her hair looks nice, but hell will freeze over if you point out she's getting a second chin.

[Unit1]

You forgot a proper picture in your article. Here, let me help you.

[TheLittleInnocent]

SAY IT WITH ME.(･∀･) 👏 T 👏 R 👏 I 👏 GGE 👏 R 👏 E 👏 D 👏... I'm sorry I just had to ( ◕ω◕ )

[Unit1]

@TheLittleInnocent T R I GGE R E D
(￣y▽￣)╭ ...

[cast277]

Oof.

[DonCachondo]

TRIGGTOWED?

[shotsfired1]

the punishment is death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gsrt0-NCww&t=79s

[AmandaYVR]

"While men are governed by logic and reason..." is actually bullshit. Guys who claim this as fact, and deny that they have also emotions too (shock), have serious issues themselves with accountability and are unwilling to accept their humanness.

Your title being deliberately incendiary trying to cause a commotion proves nothing.

You do not understand women. You do not understand humanity. Do them all a favour and stay away from them.

And to the men who see through this utter ridiculousness... thank you.

[cast277]

Of course we have emotions. If we didn't marriage wouldn't be a thing.

[AmandaYVR]

What a pleasant surprise so many of us are in agreement here.

[genericname85]

i think it's not "bullshit" that men are governed by logic and reason. i think it's just not an absolute statement. i think men are "more" logical and rational than women overall. but that's just a gender difference. i don't see that as somehow "superior" or whatever. i disagree with the negative connotation to "not bein logical". nobody can always be 100% logical. there's always some emotion involved and you can't always separate yourself from it.

[AmandaYVR]

@genericname85 I agree with everything you said. That was remarkably measured.

[genericname85]

thanks :) i mean for complimenting me, not for agreeing :D

[Rolando755]

Saying men are logical isn't an attempt to say we have no emotions. The truth women will fight the truth a LOT harder just because they don't like it. I DARE YOU to say that men arguing as much - KNOW THEY'RE DEADWRONG - as much as a women. The amount of shit that women do to avoid being proven wrong is incredible, behavior you very rarely see in men.

[AmandaYVR]

@Rolando755
You dare me? Well I double dog dare you.
If you're right then why are ~75% of the arguments online led by men? They are ideological arguments with no 'right' answer. Logic has nothing to do with them.

[cast277]

Actually logic does have a lot to do with ideological debates. It's more about what point of view each individual holds. Both can be right but only right for themselves.

But sure I'll say it. Men troll and know they are being a stupid jackass to everyone who reads it. No matter how Wrong they are. But that's cause it's fun. I dont like to believe anyone will actually argue a point knowing they are factually wrong, aside from those with a agenda that want to use the situation to grow that agenda.

[AmandaYVR]

I appreciate the precision of your word choices, @cast277, but I would still say the issue with this is that there is no actual, quantifiable 'right' in differences of ideology, but some people proceed on a path trying to prove that there is. You call it "right for themselves" which is certainly one way to phrase it, but the word "right" is dangerous. I don't find either sex is more apt to concede on these matters. In a close relationship often the woman will not back down on matters of understanding of the emotional aspects of life, however with more distant people or online, men are particularly dogged about non-emotional subjects. It's why females online do not engage more. It is too direct. Men enjoy debate - some troll and act contrarian on purpose, but most men in general enjoy verbal sparring. They like the challenge of it. Females do not, unless they feel close to the person and that the relationship can handle this level of intensity or honesty or bluntness, etc. So when discussing logic, emotion, debate, there are layers of interconnectedness beyond the surface that should be taken into account.

"I dont like to believe anyone will actually argue a point knowing they are factually wrong, aside from those with a agenda that want to use the situation to grow that agenda."

Well it's nice you don't want to believe this, but I think you already know that it's exactly what so many men online do. (And irl for that matter. I know plenty.) But it's particularly brutal online because it's a no holds barred approach - seemingly nothing to lose. Females don't see it this way.
cont'd

[AmandaYVR]

I have pm'd with many guys here; some, specifically about their antagonism (I am no longer an avoidant person, and my aim is understanding and resolution, which is working out well for me) and they fully admit to me that they do it to try and sway minds. I tell them, "But you realize it's likely not going to work, right? These are ideologies. You think your "logic" can eventually change their minds, but in reality you have an agenda and your conviction to that is irrelevant to someone with a strongly opposing view." They have literally told me it's their main draw/purpose for being on gag. Not once have either these people nor myself changed a core view on ideological issues. I am content with understanding (in both directions) but many men are not.

What many men do is remove sensitivity and the emotional preferences of others, when debating some issue or discussing solutions to conflicts of the world. This is how they claim to have dominion over logic and reason. What they don't want to acknowledge is that this same sensitivity also will/can apply to them, in a more holistic approach to assessing problems. A woman may get 'emotional', yes, but this doesn't preclude ALL logic. Women are more sensitive, *may* get hurt more easily, avoid direct conflict, etc. but I meet men all the time who have just as many feelings about things, have a lot of intensity when it comes to their own thoughts and life, and are sensitive. They may internalize it or express it differently outwardly in the form of anger or antagonism or stoicism, just to name a few, but there is no more logic in this state of mind than there is in others not expressed.
cont'd

[AmandaYVR]

I take all of these concerns into account and am no less sensitive to men just because of their gender. For me, vulnerability is very, very positive and I respect anyone who is honest and does not try to manipulate the image of themselves or the appearance of their actions. I believe being honest about one's intentions and impartial self-analysis is key to logic, and for that I see no true gender superiority.

Sorry about the long reply.

[cast277]

Don't be sorry, honestly well put together thought is nice.

It might take me a minute to break it all down but I'll gove it a go. I agree with just about everything you say. However I think that the reason men (and women) engage in online debates is to both spread their own ideas and see if anyone agrees with them. And that's really why I'm on here. I've been on chat rooms of all kinds as my former profession took me away from home and I didn't have much social life. So I have seem hundreds of these debates play out. And for the most part they end with a draw as you said but that doesn't mean the individuals involved didn't grow their opinion or pick up the logic they agreed with along the way.

So while no one fully changed their mind on a specific subject the ideas around that subject will grow and be food for thought later. I always find myself going back and reading the conversations to pick through every point the other person made and usually they are pretty close to my own views minus a subtle starting point difference. Where I see the world through the leans of a person who grew up poor and didn't have anything given to them by the rest of the world, the person I'm debating or discussing with may have been a trust find baby and never went without Christmas or was told there wasn't anything to eat. I was well taken care of by my family dont get me wrong but that's where I'm coming from when I say right for that person. Or right too that person.

I know that there is a over hanging truth that will never change and anything but that is a lie. But a lot of truth arnt known so we scurry from idea to idea frantically looking for that truth.

[cast277]

I know many people do engage in arguements knowing they are wrong but I add them to the troll pile unless they are trying to do harm to an individual or individuals, then they are just assholes, and I say that with the utmost sincerity.

The point of this is the same as what we are discussing and it's sad as there will never be a definitive answer as to the truth.

I go back to your point. We do it because we enjoy and women. Don't do it because they don't.

A simple answer to a complex question.

Ok next. Woof. Ok
If I am going to be honest. Removing sensitivity shouldn't be an issue when Discussing world wide issues. Take corona. There are millions of moral arguements being made every day. People are using emotion to control a lot of things and a lot of peoples opinions and instilling fear into them. While the truth is so much less damaging then the fear caused by all the "experts" are stoking with their truth.

While we are a emotional species and even I cry when I'm upset for about 10 seconds before I swallow it and lock it away for later.

But when looking at something with such a massive scale there is no place for emotion no place for guesses and hail Mary's. Knowing the facts and looking at them objectively is the most important thing to do In any debate because whe. You hold on so strongly with emotion you will never hear the truths being told to you. Therefore there is no way for you to be swayed either way because you already placed yourself on the winning side. Which eliminates any reason for the person you are debating to listen to any of your arguements or points even if they are factually accurate.

If I missed anything I do apologize.

[AmandaYVR]

@cast277 I like what you said. I think you are an evolved person. I agree with you on another thread as well. It's too bad more people weren't as open-minded as you.

[cast277]

Well thank you^_^

[DonCachondo]

Yeah, it is a pretty annoying dichotomy, isn't it?

[MzAsh]

Women know that men say they want the truth but too many would lose their temper if they actually said what they truly think and feel.

[MzAsh]

Not saying it’s an excuse or that it’s ok. I think women do need to be more honest, but you men will not like it. Just warning.

[Unit1]

What's the hurtful truth, that you are all so very much hiding?

You can tell me.

[Sixgun77]

If you changed "women" to "many women" or "some women" and "men" to "many men" or "some men" them your system will be accurate and i would be in total agreement with you.

[Djaay]

I said the truth on my profile posted opinion. Try me on that notation of yours...

[nojokecarmichael]

@Sixgun77 lol, women shouldn't change their views or statements to better suit what a man wants to/ would rather hear

[Sixgun77]

It's not a matter of what i (or any man or woman) WANTS to hear, it's a matter of accuracy. From a logical standpoint "women'= "all women" and "men"="all men". As written, your comment is a fallacious categorical statement.

If you're attempting to say what I think you are, then I agree with you.

[Sixgun77]

@nojokecarmichael: I didn't realize that you weren't the original poster of this comment. However my comment about accuracy, logic, and what @MzAsh said still stands.

[nathanp97]

So if women lie about what they think and feel (not saying all the time or all women), then why do so many never stop talking about what they think and feel? Also when you ask them what they want to eat are they lying about not knowing?

If you have to lie to your partner and you think they may leave you if you tell them than that probably isn't the right relationship and you shouldn't be in it anyways.

[Unit1]

So basically there's none. Good. Not gonna lose sleep over this.

[Djaay]

Her post is a lie... that's why she hasn't replied to you yet.

[MzAsh]

Things like that guy at her work who she fantasizes about.

[MzAsh]

About how you “perform” in bed.

[Djaay]

I dont slack in that department so I'll bow out of that notation.

[Aislin9]

Maybe they want us to be really honest and tell them how our exes dicks were bigger and more satisfying and how we can't orgasm with them.

I'm sure that would go over well. ;)

[MzAsh]

@Aislin9 yep. Or about how many guys she has waiting in line the second her man steps out of line.

[Aislin9]

Hahaha yeah. Or how we think their brother is the more attractive sibling their family.

[nathanp97]

You guys realize most of not all of those sound like good reasons not to be in a relationship with the girl. You should tell the guy that stuff so that he can leave your ass and find someone better. That's the benefits to being honest you are less likely to waste your time with someone when they show who they really are from the start.

[Aislin9]

@nathanp97 salty af :P

[nathanp97]

Please don't confuse saltiness with honesty. I guess I just value truth more lol

[Aislin9]

@nathanp97 There are always going to be exes that have a bigger dick than you, or people that are better looking than you. This is what grown ups, not insecure children think. I know you don't tell your boss and coworkers what you really think of them, or your teachers, so don't lie.

[MzAsh]

I’m about honesty when it’s necessary. But there are always things in life that are just better left unsaid. She can decide what she wants her man to know. And he can decide to take it or leave it.

[nathanp97]

A boss is different than someone you love, and I was more so getting at the one where you said you had back up guys already.

You shouldn't lie when it involves your partner/relationship. If it is something like how the guys dick is small than and ex than you really don't have to say anything because it isn't important and would just be done to hurt the person you are with. If it is something that actually affects you, him or the relationship than you shouldn't keep it a secret.

[Aislin9]

@nathanp97

"A boss is different than someone you love"
Of course but you don't tell how you REALLY feel to your boss either. I'm sure you keep things from women (if you even had a gf) and your guy friends too.

" and I was more so getting at the one where you said you had back up guys already"
I never stated that.
"You shouldn't lie when it involves your partner/relationship"
Everyone withholds information about everyone. This is just life.

"If it is something like how the guys dick is small than and ex than you really don't have to say anything because it isn't important and would just be done to hurt the person you are with"

I agree but us women can't win either way, if we keep it a secret, we're manipulative liars, if we say it we're bitches.

"If it is something that actually affects you, him or the relationship than you shouldn't keep it a secret"

I also agree with that.

[Shamalien]

It is going both ways, as there are a great many things women would not like to hear from men either, that they really should have said to them. Men are not honest with women, we learn young that men who are get in trouble.

No excuses either way. I do find that the more honest I am with someone, the more they generally dislike me, but that effect seems to be compounded with women... like no man ever gets offended enough to call a manager

[MzAsh]

@Shamalien if more men went to the stores, they would. Most of them wander around target looking lost af because they never shop lol

[Shamalien]

No they wouldn't and I was talking about work XD but regardless, men aren’t the ones calling HR in the workplace or censoring topics they are uncomfortable with and conspiring to ruin peoples work life that they disagree with with stupid social games that men mostly have no time for. Iv worked with enuf women to know lol I speak quite bluntly and women get offended all the time while men never do, and they all disagree with me its not like the men are on my side

[MzAsh]

@Shamalien that’s certainly not my experience.

[Shamalien]

so you've worked at a place where men complained about your lack of sensitivity and got called into the office?

[Djaay]

Shamalien... The question in this take says it all . Why then are you feeding into it so gulibly?

[Shamalien]

@Djaay gues im just a naive young man wanting to believe not all women are manipulative liars?

[Djaay]

Shamalien... A woman either is 100% with GOD or the devil. And so it's the same with men too. Either you are or your not. One or the other... there's NO middle ground. Think about it. If she doesn't speak kindness out of her mouth , that there genrally indicates she's not of GOD.

[MzAsh]

@Shamalien I will agree that men are less likely to go to hr properly like they should. They’d rather just talk shit about a coworker until they feel better.

[Shamalien]

correction, men don't give a fuck, we live and let live to a much greater degree. I don't know how you can possibly deny this XD have you ever worked a corporate job? Nobody has ever disagreed with me on this, it's so widely understood that men in the corporate workplace have a thick skin and dance around women to avoid being the recipient of a complaint. Sure we might talk a bit of shit, who doesn't, but usually we aren't offended that easily compared to women

[Rolando755]

Ash, stop. You know that's not true. Y'all LOVE to "tell the truth" when it's about getting on someone's nerves or making a man feel small. The SECOND someone does the same to you or the guy returns the same energy suddenly we're "weak boys who can't tell the truth" even though women lie basically on impulse. Every SINGLE "i'm crass and say it out it is" women I've EVER met in my life ends up being a sack of shit liar down the line. Literally everytime.

[Aislin9]

@Rolando755 "women lie basically on impulse. Every SINGLE "i'm crass and say it out it is" women I've EVER met in my life ends up being a sack of shit liar"

What you're describing is confrontational bias. You haven't meet all the women in the world but you've met a minuscule fraction of them. You had a couple bad experiences with women and now you hate them all and think they're all liars. Every time you see a woman, you interpret what she says according to your negative (very small sample) size of women of you know, it makes you more bitter, more illogical and emotional and whenever see one woman that lies you will say..."aha" all women lie just as I knew. You ignore that multitude of times women didn't lie and zero in on that one instance.

I suspect you hate your mother too or your father treated her like shit. Maybe you were unloved as a child.

[Aislin9]

met*

[Rolando755]

@Aislin9 "What you're describing is confrontational bias. " - This isn't a sociology class, and you need to use things in context. Ash's original comment implies that men are intimidated and have a fragile control over themselves in the face of a woman's who's honest. Why aren't you accusing her of the same? Oh that's right.. it's YOU who have the confirmation bias.

[Aislin9]

@Rolando755
" This isn't a sociology class, and you need to use things in context."
The principles are true regardless.

I am responding to what you wrote. You're responsible for your own words and what I wrote holds true of you.

I happen to agree with "Women know that men say they want the truth but too many would lose their temper if they actually said what they truly think and feel. "

You're losing your temper right here and now, imagine if some girl told you your penis is way smaller than her exes and he got her off much better. If you respond as you do on here, throwing a temper tantrum, I can only imagine how'd you react in person. There would probably be violence involved. You clearly hate women.

[Rolando755]

@Aislin9 I'm not losing my temper. I'm responding in a way you don't like and because you're the one with a bias you're accusing me of losing my cool so you can invalidate me. I've been there done that. You're projecting like CRAZY right now which sadly is another stereotype of women. I'm calm as a kitten right now. You're the one who's clearly irritated and you proved it be reinforcing Ash's bias.

[Aislin9]

@Apope16 @rolando755... and I'm done arguing with misogynists now. There is literally no point. You hate women, you operate according to your confirmation biases and you'll never change. You are stuck in your hatred and all I can do is block hateful people and stop wasting my time. Adios.

[MzAsh]

@Shamalien men absolutely do give lots of fucks. They bottle it up until it explodes into mental illness, suicide, or mass shooting. So don’t give me that bs.

[MzAsh]

Or sexual assault.

[Djaay]

MzAsh... Thank you for inspecting yourself for us men to adhere the question at hand as you profoundly give it full merit to its absconding truth to all it entails.
You've literally encapulated yourself with contradictions from your tongue once again.

[Shamalien]

You've been watching too much tv MzAsh. You're talking about the tiny minority of men, while I am talking about the vast, overwhelming majority of woman in a corporate setting.

[Shamalien]

@MzAsh to be perfectly clear... for every woman in a corporate workplace that is overly sensitive and complains about some dumb shit, there is NOT a man who commits a violent act like rape or a mass shooting. If that were true, there would be way, way more rapes and mass shootings.

[MzAsh]

@Shamalien there are still too many.

[Shamalien]

and still 1000000x less than the amount of women that complain to HR at a corporate workplace. You do realize we wouldn't even have hr departments if there were no women in the workplace, right?

You're just proving that you don't belong in these logical debates. Some women can hack it, but you can't.

[Shamalien]

its a stupid comparison I can't believe you even made it

[MzAsh]

@Shamalien do you honestly think that would be a good thing? If women weren’t working and there was no hr?

[Shamalien]

Honestly?

Yes. Absolutely. What do you do for work? I work in a corporate setting with a lot of women and it's a non stop unprecedented fucking nightmare, one after the other. If it was just dudes we would function like a well oiled machine, instead, dissent has been all but eliminated, any kind of debate is cut short for fear of hurting peoples feelings, and any criticism whatsoever is completely banished. We can't get shit done. We just sit around all day and pretend to work, and that's how it is pretty much in every corporate environment.

Meanwhile the kids get raised by daycare and the piss shit public schooling system that turns them into slaves, their first allegiance to the gov't and not their parents. But it's okay cause women pay taxes! The same taxes that pay for that shitty school... you know, the ones that we wouldn't need if mothers actually raised their children. The tax money gets diluted to shit and what your kid gets is a far cry from what they deserve, AN ACTUAL PERSON WHO CARES ABOUT THEM RAISING THEM

women in the workforce on a small scale is fine, but women have TAKEN OVER the workforce and it's become one big joke

[MzAsh]

@Shamalien I’ve spent over 10 years work for a corporate business, but I’d rather work for myself from home, or doing b2b or b2c type of work which is what I do now. Most of that is because I’m introverted and face to face customer service drains me. My grievances with corporate are more about the higher ups sitting behind a desk making decisions not knowing how shit really works in practice and who want to grossly underpay the workers. The only way I’d be a stay at home mom is if I can make my money from my laptop and my husband still cooks, cleans, and take the kids when I want to have a weekend break. Which is nearly what’s going on now but without the kids. It’s pretty awesome. I get the best of both worlds of staying home and having my own income. But that’s just me. Regardless we can’t force women into a life they don’t want.

[MzAsh]

@Shamalien in those 10 years, I really never had many issues with people. I had one male supervisor who was creep and only hired attractive women. He liked to call me “his little pixie” because I’m short and pixie looking I suppose. He threw fits because I ignored him. He’s go out of his way to show dominance or embarrass me. I didn’t report him although I should have. I only dealt with him a few months then he was transferred to another store in Indianapolis where he was a leader for about a year. I ended up being rooomates with one of his family members years later who admitted he was fired for sexual harassment. The only female coworker who I ever had a problem with was a rather butch type of woman. She was heavy and masculine and tried to take her anger management problems out on me. I threw a box of tampons in her cart and told her to stop being such a whiny little bitch. That provoked her to threaten me so she was fired and I was wrote up. Oh my. That was forever ago! I was 23 at the time I think.

[Shamalien]

yeah kind of got on a tangent there I didn't ask for your whole life story XD

Hard to report a guy for only hiring attractive women when that might in fact be the main reason why you got the job in the first place tho isn't it haha

Maybe you're better at keeping your mouth shut, maybe you just aren't that argumentative or passionate about the work, but where I'm working, it's extremely liberal, I'm a super nice guy in real life, I don't make waves like I do on here, but I've still been called in multiple times for the dumbest shit, maybe you've never been exposed to this level of retardation. Like one time a co worker played a video and I didn't like it. I didn't say it was terrible, I just expressed my problems with it. I got called into the office for that and was told to be more sensitive.

Fuck that shit.

[MzAsh]

@Shamalien I was actually a transfer at the job with the supervisor. I walked in and basically said I work here now. He didn’t argue it but he sure didn’t like that I didn’t kiss his ass like all of the other young girly girls did. Today I would have demanded he kiss mine with the way he acted but that was back before I had awareness of how to deal with people like that.

Some companies are just really into the sensitivity thing. Its their house, their rules. I think you’d be better considering other options.

[Shamalien]

Meesa thinks you don't work in Canada haha, but yeah I am definitely considering moving to a smaller company where it's a bit less fkd. Like any sizable company is going to be like this where I live, trust me, I have many friends in similar situations. The only place you can speak frankly is a construction site. Hell, even at a small mom n pop restaurant two girls tried to get me and my friend fired for conversations we had between ourselves, not even concerning them, but they were eavesdropping and were offended XD

it's a liberal nightmare out here. I've already made my plans to escape to the woods, but it's still a few years out, in the mean time, let a man complain, at least I ent sending people to the office or shooting up a school or sexually harassing someone, right? I think I'm handling this in the best possible way, complaining to strangers on the internet.

[MzAsh]

@Shamalien of course. I’m not going to stop you from complaining.

[cast277]

But is that really a good enough reason to hide the truth? Building things on oies and deception? Even if not a romantic relationship that is a bad idea. Unless you only seek short term need fulfillment the. Have at it but dont expect your relationships to benefit.

[MzAsh]

@cast277 I think honesty is most often a better idea, but it comes with certain outcomes. A lot of people say they want honesty but then act like you’re a monster when you give it to them, so honest people need to be ready to have a handle on those people.

[cast277]

Right. Also if you are doing something worth being called a monster for and still want anything with the person you need to be honest. Period.

[MzAsh]

@cast277 Subjective territory. There are some things that should be left unsaid, in my opinion. Like a woman’s body count, for example.

[cast277]

Who cares about body count? I mean I'm pretty open about mine. Granted I'm not looking for a long term relationship. If he can't handle who you are then you dont want him cause shit would go sideways eventually.

[Shamalien]

@cast277 precisely why the woman shouldn't have any issue with being upfront about body count. Like you say, if he can't "handle it" then it won't work out ever, so best to get that out of the way at the beginning

it should absolutely NOT be left unsaid, it's an important thing to know about a person u might end up with

[MzAsh]

The way I see it, a man that concerned with body count is a red flag because they’re often part of a type of guy. A guy who is focused on the wrong details about a woman. If he’s concerned about std then that’s something he actually needs to inquire about, because that actually directly affects his physical health.

[MzAsh]

But inquiring about stds is a separate issue than asking about body count. There’s no “need to know” there.

[OptimisticDaria]

@Sixgun77 YEEESSSSSSS!!!

[cast277]

Well of course you need to know if she has any STDs. That's kinda. Part of the deal. Thats common courtesy among sexually active people.

[nathanp97]

If the guy asks or it comes up in conversation you should answer a body count question honestly. It tells a lot about who you are and were. At my current age I wouldn't want to date anyone with a body count above 20. I also likely wouldn't want to be close friends with guys like that, because it's just not the type of thing I want in a partner/friend. I'm not saying people should never have sex, but the odds are at my age 20 or more bodies likely means you sleep around a lot, while I've only ever been interested in long lasting relationships not one night stands.

[Shamalien]

fuck girl I hope your happy with the kind of guy you're looking for, good luck to ya. The kind of guy who cares about a woman's body count is the same kind of guy who CARES ABOUT A WOMAN period. If you don't get that at this age I don't know if you ever will.

best of luck

[cast277]

Now that's kinda bullshit. there's nothing wrong with a high body count.

[cast277]

And I hate that term. Why in gods name are we using it as the number of people we have had sex with?

It sounds so negative. It like you're trying to hard to get as high if number as possible.

Either way I don't like it.

[Shamalien]

@cast277 Love how you just blew by what I just said. Maybe some people wanna mean something to somebody, I don't know what a high body count person would ever know about that tho

[MzAsh]

I've been with my husband for 13 years and he’s never, not once, asked how many other men I’ve slept with. He knows I’m healthy and he knows that’s all he really needs to know.

[cast277]

Just because you have a higher body count doesn't mean you dont have people or someone that is or are special. Are you really gonna back everyone into a corner and say "you can't have sex and have feelings"? That's really kinda stupid offensive and down right ignorant.

Plus you sound like a passive aggressive d bag. So no wonder your body is so low.

[cast277]

body count.

[nathanp97]

Cast277, you don't need sex to have feelings and often people who focus to much on sex skip the feelings part first. No one says you can't have sex, just that it shows a lack of impulse control.

[cast277]

So does assuming you know how everyone thinks and feels. Just because you look at sex one way doesn't mean everyone looks at it the same way. Sure do some have sex for fun or for sport, but I garentee those people also make love. Which is also sex so I don't really know where you are getting these ideas. You can have a fuck buddy or two for a few months before you find someone you want to date. As human beings we all want sex. And if you say you dont you're lying. Finding people to fullfill that want is a whole lot better as far as mental health goes then sitting at a computer watching porn and numbing yourself to the reality of sex. Or build a relationship with someone through intimacy and the most personal act two people can do.

[cast277]

I wasn't going to bring this into it as I don't see it as equal to "meaning something to someone" kinda stuff but there are whole circles of friends built around kinks and shared interests all being pretty close to eachother as the rest of the world Is full of judgey smugg little slut shamers who are just as happy badmouthing things they dont understand rather then Take a second and realize you might be wrong.

[nathanp97]

I don't have a problem with people having sex. They can do what they want. I don't have a problem with dating people that have a small body count. The problem is if you have sex with lots of people is shows that you aren't interested in a meaningful relationship, because you were messing around with countless people before me, and what stops you from continuing that if in away for a week or 2. I only will have sex with people when I'm in a committed relationship with them, and don't have any interest being in a relationship or being friends with people who have one night stands or sex on a first date.

Yes, i want sex, but I don't want a chance of an STD or getting someone pregnant, unless I'm actually in a trusting relationship with them. I actually don't watch porn, so I can't tell you. I find it a little to awkward

[nathanp97]

Once again I don't have a problem with people having lots of sex with random people. They just aren't people I want to spend a lot of time around. I have been around people like that enough and they have a very different type of personality than what I can tolerate

[cast277]

That's probably a good thing cause they probably dont care to be around you either. I dont really understand your base dis trust in people. I mean if I'm looking to be in a relationship and if anyone is looking for a relationship like that it's pretty easy to differentiate between I'm horny hey come over and fuck me. And hey I like you and I want more from you. Again has a lot to do with intimacy rather then sex. But what ever.

[cast277]

Lol of course you dont have a problem dating girls with small "body counts" they dont know how bad you are lol.

[nathanp97]

Unless you are in a committed relationship (I don't mean marriage) than it is all just hey I'm horny, as you put it. I personally don't like the idea of being around people who are willing to have sex with multiple different people with in a short time period, or even have sex with some and then go on a date with someone else a week later. It just kinda shows the type of person they are. I had to put up with people who were like that in highschool and I have not interest doing that again.

I don't really care if you think I might suck at sex, and I don't care if those types of people like me. I never have and never will.

[cast277]

So you're still looking at this through a leans of sex is sex. The people you are talking about arnt getting dooped into sex. It's pretty easy to find other people who just want to have the fun but not the relationship. I definitely get the feeling you are really only interested in virgins as you have specified that you would be ok woth a small "body count" which I assume means you'd prefer no "body count". If that is the case i suggest you look into churches and most of them arnt virgins either.

You dont have to be interested in anyone with any body count but you keep saying how the people who do have sex a lot dont have then or tend not to have them. Clearly you haven't seen the real community behind it. Probably just college guys lying about feelings and stabbing innocent girls in their backs. Something I dont approve of those people are predators that take advantage of the unsuspecting people possibly like you.

[DonCachondo]

Same applies for the reverse. People in general want pleasant lies to be sold to them as truth to confirm their wishful thinking.

[nathanp97]

I don't care if people are virgins. When I mean small body count relative to you age. For instance, if your 20 and your body count is double your age it is very high, but if you're 20 and your body count is 10 or lower it's fine. The logic is, assuming you were responsible you didn't have sex tell at least 16, but hopefully later, and you were only have sex once in a meaningful relationships and had to wait before getting into another relationship than at max 2 relationships per year could have involved sex. I'm not religious and have no interest in church groups.

Sex is just sex unless you actually have a connection that extends past the first date or meeting randomly in a bar.

I'm not saying they don't have their version of a relationship, but sleeping with multiple people isn't a relationship, starting to date someone while having sex with other people isn't one and having sex on the first date isn't one.

[cast277]

Dam you are so narrow minded. I agree that 40 by the time you are 20 is high but again the people with that kinda body count dont want anyone with no experience.

[nathanp97]

How is it narrow minded to want someone who isn't just focused on sex and pops in and out of relationships as often as they change clothes?

[cast277]

Did anyone say that? No you said (with conviction) that the relationships other people have arnt real relationships. Meaning you think they are doing the wrong thing which means you have completely shut yourself off to any form of relationship that doesn't conform to your narrow and honestly shallow ideals.

[nathanp97]

Just sex isn't a relationship. If people want to do it I don't have a problem with them doing it. I just don't want to be around people like that. It is wrong for me, but they are free to do it.

Yes, I don't want a sex only relationship, so I am shut off from that.

[cast277]

Hints narrow minded.

[cast277]

Just based on the fact that you have glossed over the things I have said about the difference between fun sex and making love I say narrow minded. Because you place everyone who does enjoy sex freely (when both parties understand what it is) into some negative "I'm above those people" category.

[nathanp97]

I think you mean hens not hints. Autocorrect?

I don't think I glossed over it. Making love is when you are in love. If you fall in love with people on the first date then that's kinda crazy.

Once again if people want to just have sex I don't really care. That just isn't something I want to waste my time with. I'm not saying I'm above them, just that I'm not compatible with those types of people and wish to avoid them. There is nothing wrong with that. It is no different from saying you don't want to date someone who doesn't match your looks criteria or personality criteria for a partner.

[cast277]

No I meant hints. As I'm pointing out the correlation between two things. There for hinting at something you should think about.

[cast277]

I completely understand you dont want the people were talking about but you are labeling their relationships as fake. What god like power do you have to make that claim? You can just throw out such bullshit and then still find yourself as the moral high ground just amazes. Imma judge you all then say I'm better based on the judgement. And it's a judgment from a distance without the knowledge and or experience to make such claims. Its ignorance if you ask me.

[nathanp97]

I never said it was fake, and i never claimed the moral high ground.

I don't view it as a relationship, but other people are welcome too. I really don't care if people want to have sex and view it as a relationship. To me a relationship requires more than sex, but if you want to view it differently that's fine too.

Bud, I've known plenty fo people that just care about sex, so trust me when I say I know the type. I don't think they are terrible people, or that I'm better than them. We just have a different way of living our lives and how we view it, and I just want nothing to do with that way of life. I still fail to see why you are attacking me for my preference in a partner.

[cast277]

I'm not attacking you. Stop using that as an excuse. I'm explaining my problem with your view point. And before this post you didn't state that it was simply your view. But sounded more like you were saying that as a universal truth that relationships based on sex arnt relationships. Which again. I'd suggest you look into the reality of the kink community the great majority of people who indulge in these things are in loving relationships. There is a reason dollars exist. Lol

[VANESSAPEYTON]

That's only because you are with the wrong man

[nathanp97]

Cast, you called me ignorant and various other things. Never once did I say anything like that to you. What excuse did I make? I stated it was my view multiple times. Go back over and read them, I'll wait. I'm not going to look into that community, because I have no interest in having sex with a bunch of people. I have nothing wrong with people who have kincks, I just don't really want to be around that type of crowd.

Vanessa, I'm not sure who or what you are referring to.

[cast277]

She is adding her opinion to the base question probably didn't look here before answering.

[DaMack999]

Nothing wrong with letting a guy take some steam off after knowing the truth at least you will fix whatever relationship issue you been having. Instead of bottling up n one day he find out you been lying over 2 years. You expect him to stay with you. Please women.

[AFellowWeeb]

i dont get it, if u are not happy on said relationship, that break things up with him wtf, why women have to allways make this bs nonsence games all the fkng time

[Tdieseler]

In all honesty, this is very true. it would be chaos if we were to hear we were to hear what our partners really thought. hurtful too. so then that makes me ask the question, then why do women always ask for honesty then? you dont see men asking women to be honest all the time, we understand that lying is part of it... but women ask for shit that they dont want nor understand the weight of, all the time.
the reason why i think men would lose their temper is because of many women's incessant request for "more", stretching a guy to limits he can't (not won't) get past.

[shaggy6913]

@Aislin9 It’s not the fact that the exes dick was bigger the problem would be that you were thinking of the X while you’re fucking your boyfriend, And the fact that you are focused on negative things instead of how to improve things because all you have to do is show your current boyfriend what they’re doing wrong and how you like it which means that you are not committed to the current relationship and want to be elsewhere.

[VANESSAPEYTON]

I am a woman, and ashamed. Our government has bent over backwards to assist woman, but not healthy woman rather the CLUSTER B PERSONALITY TYPE. tHIS TYPE OF WOMAN MAKES FALSE ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE JAILS INNOCENT MEN, BRAINWASHES BABIES TO TAKE SIDES OR EVEN MAKES THEM BELIEVE THIER DADDYS AT SEPERATION SEXUALLY MOLESTED THEM. iNFRONT OF JUDGES POLICE AND THIER FLYING MONKEYS THEY THRow VERBAL SHIT AT THE WALLS AND WAIT TO SEE IF THIER GREAT ACTING HAS WORKED AND IT DOES. Healthy woman really need to get on board and recognize the covert manipulative charismatic borderline friend , ssister mothers, they are putting innocent men in jail. Imagine being a great man with huge morals and empathy and being accused of these sadistic things , being jailed, branded all because you have enormous empathy and got conned by a cluster b woman. When you first met she communicates victimhood from her past mate, a horrible childhood, so sexy soft. Men you need to educate yourselfs the best cluster bs are the ones who are covert, they express so much love like you, only thiers is fake , they are love bombing you and oonce your heart is crazy inlove with the perfect woman your entire heart mind self worth wripped out and your money, and freedom. All woman are not this way. Men need to find a woman who they seem to be semi attracted to that turns into a best friend and suddenly makes her look drop dead beautiful, not the other way around. Having a best friend who is attractive is the way you stay clear of the cluster b, who are the most seductive of them all. These woman will come at you at your lowest, say the death of someone close or act distressed that they got pregnant when they pretended to be on the pill , they aren't really stressed , its the free ride they are after and the babies the object. Men need to stop being led by their dicks and really study a new mate , keep it friends until you really know her. Sick twisted woman know exactly what men want, unfortunatly it comes with a bang and your all blown into denial. Good healthy love good healthy woman have respect for themselves so if she tells you she has only slept with one guy yet wheres outfits that expose or over the top seductive, says she's falling in love quick, tells endless stories of how she was victemised immediately, question it. I get why many men are givingup on woman but its not woman who are doing these sick twisted abusive things to men its a female with cluster b personality traits , some female families go back 3 or 4 generations of cluster b, why because tey were raised by one neglected by one and learn sick ways to take what they want, Not all girls raised by a cluster b will become one, its only the females that don't see the illness in thier mothers , and fallow the pattern, girls who could see the illness promised themselves never to be like their mother grandmother great grandmother and they were raised victimized but flourished into amazing opposite. I get why men are feeling this way , but learn up on cluster bs, us woman are being outnumbered by them and statistics is way off they are everywhere and where are the good men, killing themselves numbing their abuse with alcohol drugs jailed on false accusations on the streets homeless with mental breakdowns. Thier a real human females still here you just need to educate yourself rather then fall inlove through your dicks- mind first cause that is not love at all! Best friends first will keep you safe!

[Alice2398]

I used to be like this back in my teens because i hate fighting with people and don't want to hurt others feels so would come up with as many lies as possible to keep myself safe from bad reactions till it finally got to much and id run.

For example if I didn't want to hang out with someone anymore id say i was to busy instead of just saying "no, I don't like you anymore" but soon people catch on to the shady side of it all.

Im more honest with men than i am with women but I've lied to them to for same reason because im a coward. I've told a man i didn't love him when i did to protect my feelings, I've told guys im to busy to date them or completely ghosted them after a terrible date and trust me you wouldn't blame me for ghosting them if you knew the story's. I've hidden things in my past from men because i know its not who they think i am.

I can be pretty honest at times though and most people like it and find it funny when i say the stuff everyone else is to scared to say but at the end of the day i know i lie for my own protection and im pretty sure men lie equally as much as women do just for different reasons.

[lightbulb27]

Exactly... covers the "liar" part from at least one personality viewpoint. Antidote is confidence, security, vulnerability, love, acceptance.

[monkeynutts]

I would not sweat the small stuff, tell the truth when it's very necessary, like being a witness in a court case, if someone could get hurt, things like that, otherwise you are under no obligation to anyone to express yourself in any particular way.

[Alice2398]

how I justify keeping things about my past secret is the fact they never asked in the first place, it's none of their business and i deserved to able to keep somethings to myself.

[NatashaJ]

Lol, I wonder if you literally think every woman who not putting up with your BS is lying to you. Seems you rather blame women but you won't admit you're too dense in the head to figure out their signals. A woman must had hit a nerve when
"So now the man asks for her number for a date. She gives out her number without any intention of calling her. Because women are liars and are afraid of confrontation. Or a woman is no longer in love with a man so she starts fights to sabatage the relationship. She actively engages in inflicting pain because she has no courage to actually express what she believes. In romance the girl likes a guy for months but never asks him out. So she flirts, ruffles her hair, makes him jealous, does all this crap when she could have just asked the guy out. The sex isn't working? Well, she will tell all her girlfriends and never tell her man a word until she falls out of love. The woman will fake headaches or fake orgasms." This is quite honestly sad and I don't feel sorry your feelings got hurt.

[RavVid]

First, women on average more verbally adept because male and female brains are structurally different. In women doing verbal tasks, the blood flows more to specific areas of the brain indicating specific activity there. In contrast men doing the same verbal tasks have a more diffused blood flow indicating diffused processing. It is reversed in spatial tasks. So guys and gals are optimized for different activities - verbal argument versus finding the car.

Second, in hunter and gatherer societies the female half get no advantage from physical conflict as men do. Instead females seek power from building alliances with other females and excluding female competitors from the group. Think queen bee and pecking order. Female competition is brutal. A woman can semi trust a female relative and childhood friend to a more limited degree.

Chris Williamson has some good Youtube episodes interviewing female academics on this topic.

It is not necessarily lying per se but manipulation in general of which lying is a part of.

I've lost count of the number of times that a girl, noticing my interest in another girl, has had a chat with me and been compelled to admit certain things about said second girl.

It always ends with "What do you think of her now?". I am expected to express disgust but I am probably thinking "Good to know she is like that. I can get in easily". Mission achieved by first girl.

It s simply men compete on a fisticuffs basis and women compete in non fisticuff ways through social means. The movie Mean Girls is fairly accurate even though exaggerated and limited.

Not so long ago a girl was complaining she introduced a childhood friend into her female friendship group only to find her childhood friend got her kicked out of the friendship group. Female competition is ruthless but at least nobody dies.

[Shuri]

Women are manipulative liars because men say they are, and really for no other reason. Your example about the dress is a terrible one because women are not, in fact, brought up that way. We also are not brought up to not be independent. Sure, it's put in our minds that a man should provide for us, but in the meantime, we have to provide for ourselves. I myself was born in 1990, and I'm still not married because I'm very independent. I know what I want, and I'm not going to marry a man just to be married and cared for. I have a boyfriend, and we've been together for 8 months, but he knows that I can and will leave him should he give me a reason to not longer be there.

The men who call women manipulative liars are the ones who try to play the game with them, and lose. They think a woman wearing a nice dress that shows cleavage means she wants sex. The approach her, finds out she does not, in fact, want sex, and now she's a manipulative liar, even though she didn't lie about anything. These are the same men who think that because they have a steady career and house that a woman should agree to go on a date with them. When she doesn't, she's a manipulative liar. These are the SAME MEN who thinks a girl who is a legitimate friend must like him because they get along so well. They come to find out that this girl does not like them as more than a friend, and now all of a sudden, she has led him on, now making her a manipulative liar.

The idea that women are manipulative liars is an idea invented by the fragile male ego to cope with rejection and nothing more. It's no different than women saying all guys are liars and cheaters. They're coping with rejection.

[ttnnkkrr]

utter nonsense. thanks for writhing it but your view while typical lacks any understanding of the distinctions and ownership of truth vs perception vs reality vs communication. for example the idea that men are logical and women are not. yet it is always men complaining about hurt feelings over faked orgasms. i can go on but rewieing the thought fallacies that appear to drive so many may do more harm than good

[Apope16]

Thanks!

[bamesjond0069]

Its true. And its ALL women. Even the least bad ones still "lie" or obfuscate. An example is a woman is emotionally scared her man rides a motorcycle she's scared he will die so she nags and yells and tells him to sell it. Meanwhile she finds it hot and ends up leaving him for another man with a motorcycle. she's not specifically trying to lie but she is. This behavior is the whole reason why men will tell each other to not listen to women because by doing so you base your actions off lies and it screws you over.

Men in general do not do this at all. Men who appear to lie usually just aren't aware enough to explain something. Ie woman asks man if he loves her. He wasn't ready and so now he's like I don't know i think so but im not sure so if he thinks yes and says yes but later realizes no... that is simply him being confused and usually pressured into a situation he wasn't ready for that a girl is pushing on him.

Its totally different motivations because the girls isn't confused but is just not telling the whole story AND her lies often directly contribute to bad situation for the man. Whereas the man is genuinely not trying to screw over the girl AND his lie doesn't directly contribute to any sort of issue to the girl other than she just doesn't like it.

[Bhavin2184]

What wonderful waste of time writing baseless utter nonsense.
Plus Asker your question should be in title:
Why most woman are liars based on only my opinion? Please don't consider all men think that way.

[Apope16]

haha. nice! thanks for your comments!

[OptimisticDaria]

This is interesting to me. This "opinion" you posted seems all to similar to the way my friend and I communicate with other students we don't think too highly of. We say ridiculous things based of a whim we may have thought of while taking a shit or something and wait for the reactions.
It's cool to see the ways people react, and it's almost always two to three side that everyone flocks to. I personally enjoy the reactions because most of the time l, I say the exact opposite of what I really believe just for shits and giggles, or I couldn't care less about the subject.
This approach is temporary for me, but I believe it is necessary for me to learn how to chill out around people and their ideas.

[Apope16]

You got it. YOu pretty much summed it up. YOu will see other takes I have made that are feminist. I am curious to how people will respond to absurdity.

[OptimisticDaria]

Fabulous, its almost too much fun. Ik its sadistic, but people have done worse to ne, so why not. Lol

[Apope16]

I like to drop a candy bar and watch all of the ants circle.

[OptimisticDaria]

Fucking beautiful analogy. It's kinda like a filter, the ones not immediately scrambling are ones who I generally like better anyway

[Rebecka33]

Well i can't speak for other women just myself. I will admit that since i 've been 40 i've liked attention when someone calls be pretty or something and my husband hasen't in a while. I hate having to bag him for that attention and after a while it gets old and in the past when i've braught it up hed get angry as if i'm attacking him although it had nothing to do with him it had to do with me. He changed real fast though when he knew that his competition was at the door and could steal me withing seconds. The only reason i almost hurt other people mostly men was because again of my own insecurties but yes can see how this may come across as minupulous. I also never had a father figure the one guy in my life that was suppose to install all that in me from a young age. So now at 40 when it all hit the fan im finally learning all that and its effects. I've had trust issues with men and now know they're not all the same and niether are women.

[Apope16]

THanks for your reply. I think attention goes both ways. We all want to feel loved and valued. The problem is that it is skewed. Women have taken men and their attention for granted because they have lived their entire lives with men calling them, texting them, cat calling them, pursuing them. So women have basically gotten lazy. The problem comes when women approach the age of about 36. Their looks start to fade. Their child bearing years are closing. They start gaining weight and have a harder time getting skinny again. THe hundreds of guys who chase her start to fade. Now she is depressed and lonely by 40 or 45 because she was always looking for the grass greener on the other side. Basically the abundance of men until her mid 30s made her think that she could have her supply of new men to choose from forever. So then instead of marrying hottie. She ends up 35 years old and marrying the nice guy that she friendzoned for 10 years because while she has limited sexual attraction and hots for him at least he will simp and be loyal.

Now to match what you said.. I think you have given a refreshing and authentic and honest reply. Something that I think us guys and many of the ladies commenting her can find inspirational.

[OpenWine]

oh hey I am glad some woman actually went to prove your point and rushed to make a post about how sexist this MyTake is. it actually grabbed my attention and she was so kind to have a link to it in her feed.

you seem to be observative, like you spoke from my experience. I don't feel any hatred towards our female friends but I also understand that this is the way it has been and you find only a few to not follow the same line.

you could of written a book yea I could just observe the comments down there and assume "women don't handle loneliness as good as men do, they weren't forced into it" and that is a truth I know for a while now. great Take the truth Hurts!

[Apope16]

Its a social experiment. In my next my take you will see it explained.

[OpenWine]

it's interesting and worked like a charm

[lightbulb27]

You are onto something, it's not 100% true, but has truths and observations in it that are relevant for all. Women are indirect it seems by nature or training, or certain personalities. Men can be as well... there's a spectrum to behaviors, with some greater allocation to women or certain personalities... like those that are "more feeling" than those who are more selfish and self confident.

The last statement is on point of the issue, but it is true of men and women... maybe more so with women since we men are striving to be with and closer to them, so we see it more... but it is definitely some male personalities as well.

We have to learn to trust our discernment... and not be reliant upon someone elses response for our sense of well being.

[genericname85]

i think if you made a female account and wrote a take with the title "all men are manipulative liars", men would react in the same hysterical/aggressive way without even reading what you said.

yeah we all use small little white lies once in a while and we do manipulate people that we like into liking us. that's competely natural and i don't feel that "manipulation" must necessarily have a negative connotation here.

i mean even just showing yourself from your best side, which is what litterally everyone does in dating is kind of manipulative lying in a sense. so what's wrong with that?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

You must have been around very emotionally damaged women because most women I know don't fit that description.

Let's address a few of your example s...
We all say a person looks good in a fancy outfit at a party even if he or she doesn't out of politeness.

Women don't give their number if they have no interest in you. They simply say no.

Women are still the ones that start most divorces by far so the sabotage the relationship part is also bs. They just end it.

I have been approached by women who wanted me. So ya they also do that.

If she has to tell you she has a headache is because when she doesn't feel like having it the guy loses it. Fake orgasm s some women do and I think they shouldn't. But they do it to protect our who not themselves.

And don't say that most women are not like that. No friend, most women are not like what you described.

[whitehide]

Everyone is raised in different ways and in different enviroment, which results in them becoming a unique person in one way or another, so your argument are baseless. Not all women are manipulative liars, you can't even say most women are, because don't know most women.
By the way, do you ever get tired of talking out of your ass to get attention? Here's a fun little product to helping you with that!

[AdorableLilo]

I'm actually not offended by the title. I clicked on it due to curiosity and with a 'what is it now' mindset. I read your mytake and i'm concluding that you wrote it to attempt to have women feel some type of hatred towards the opposite gender and have men laugh at those women for feeling offended to a negative one sided post. Which lastly supports this battle against the sexes bullshit that's prominent in these days. Instead you could've make a post that compliments woman or men withought insulting/putting down the other gender, which would be nice to see more of

[ItsTheNephilim]

Lol didn't you manipulate when you said something in your title and gave an absurd justification for it just to take the safe side? Who are you? A 'woman' (according to you) I suppose?

[Aislin9]

He got owned. 👍

[homie3112]

White lies? Maybe. Like if I took a second cookie out of the cookie jar. I have lied to keep a classmate out of trouble like vaping in a bathroom. I can say I have never lied to my significant other, though. I don't know why I would. He can't read my mind and vise versa. Ifhe doesn't understand or vise versa, just explain. It is called C O M M U N I C A T I O N. Everyone lies to a different degree. I can see what you mean though, I've seen lack of initiative because of deep rooted insecurities. Although, I'll be damned if an insecurity will take me off of a game because I am agraid that me being female would mean that a mostly male community would disapprove or try to diminish. (Same thing with other people, not only men.)