Now I've said in my previous questions that I'm a submissive man, and that I love a woman with muscles. In fact, that's two traits that a lot of men who like Role Reversal have. In Role Reversal relationships, the man and women adopt roles, routines, and traits of the opposite gender in relationships. And obviously, in all of these relationships, the woman is the leader. In fact, there's a whole subreddit for these people!
RR men like warrior women, women who are taller than them, athletic or muscular, in male-dominated job fields or hobbies, have short hair, want their woman to be the protector and breadwinner, and more.
RR women like men who are short, shy, sensitive, skinny, in female-dominated job fields or hobbies, have long hair, want to be their man's protector instead, want their man to be the homemaker, etc. And in some pretty extreme cases I've seen, RR women like men who crossdress. Not shaming women who like that sorta thing, but I am NOT doing that.
I guess I could be owned by an RR women soon, because my friend's sister is dominant in her relationships. She's 5'10 (4 & 1/2 inches taller than me), physically stronger than me, a better fighter than me, and loves horror movies with a passion (So do I). She knows about me and calls me "Puppy" due to my shortness and submissiveness to her.
So my question is, how do you feel about Role Reversal relationships? And how do you feel about people who want this kind of relationship?
If it WORKS FOR YOU and you can find a loving partner to be happy with, do so. I don't care what people do in their personal lives if their lives are copacetic for them. It's none of my business and there's not much that I'd ridicule or judge. There's nothing inherently sick about it. It's different. That's all. People are all unique. There's no telling why we are like we are. But I think we're hard wired from birth to be who we turn out to be. So love yourself and seek love with someone else. Be she Zena Warrior Princess, ot Zoe, Weight Lifting Queen! Kissses.
And you're really 64? I didn't expect a Boomer to be cool with and understand this concept. I imagine finding a man must have been hard for you back then, when most men wanted to be the leader.
Oh, come on Tom. Has nothing to do with how OLD you are. Has to do with if you're a rational, reasonable person. If anything, the older you get, the more relaxed you are about living and let live. Sure, there are some grouchy curmudgeons, but I think their arteries harden faster and they're taken out by attrition. (though there are some miserables who live forever...) Yep, finding someone has always been difficult for me because of my ego strength. Got to have a laid back guy who knows he's a man and won't interfere with me being me. I don't know that "most men" want to be the leader in a relationship. My dad wasn't like that and he was a shotgun toting hunter, fisher, DIYer, carpenter etc. Man's man. But he liked to cook, grow tomatoes and he did the laundry. Both my parents worked and both made about the same salary. They were a team and a great example of a positive couple. Mom was in charge with dad as the baseline. But I never doubted his masculinity or mom's femininity. He was incredibly strong and a rock. Mom was the same way. Sometimes they clashed, but it was over OTHER things. He supported my mom through the last years of her life when she was nearly wheelchair bound and on dialysis. He told me, "That's my job. To be there for her." What a man, what a man, what a mighty good man... If you don't know that song... you need to look it up.
well why not just do what makes. you happy I mean im not that submissive but there is nothing wrong with confident slightly dominant woman they are sexy but in your case make sure it is something you both like and that the relationship is healthy
I think it kinda sucks that we still have defined roles according to gender, I think it limits people because you're either "traditional" or "role reversal" "dominant" or "submissive".
And actually, I think most relationships are just a mixture and neither person cares- they just each contribute their strengths. I've done some research, and sometimes the woman is the sole breadwinner, but the man in addition to domestic work, fixes the cars or does the heavy lifting.
In other situations, one works, the other goes to school... then they trade. Some couples, at one time the man was a stay at home dad for a few years, then the woman was a stay at home mom- it was done without specific thought to roles, they just worked as a team.
I could be happy with any scenario, I think. So far I've been the stronger one physically, and I'm going to do my best to keep anyone I care about out of harms way, but I'll bet you that even the most submissive of women isn't just going to stand by and go "eeek!" while her husband's getting his ass kicked. Besides, ADULTS escape when they can and let law enforcement handle that.
If a woman was stronger or acted protective of me, I'd feel pretty good actually. But I don't ask for that, there are so many ways to show you care. I do love the idea though, that since not every man is a big provider, there are also women who would be happy to be more the breadwinner. Sometimes the guy doesn't earn more than the cost of child care so he stays home with kids. Other than that though, unless she worked in some field she were dedicated to and was going to take up a lot of her time no matter what- I'd rather work so she could work less, because we'd get to have more time together.
I love it. Im not into cross dressing. I'm also not into short hair on women (although some do carry it well). I want her to be the man in the relationship.
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I like it, I am currantly looking for a Dominant Lady for a FLR/ FLM. I would be the stay at home husband/ wife submissive and she would be the Dominant/ Leader partner in charge of the relationship. I will even take her surname in marriage.
I think you're off base Bames. There are warrior looking women, and I'm partially one of them. I have no interest in women, physically, except myself... I'm happy with me, want my body strong and though I've been with a broad swath of men from bisexual ones to straight male hunters, to say my bossy ways mean I'm a lesbian is wrong. If this dude wants a dominant woman, I think he's ready to live with it and she sounds like she's ready to be the one in charge. WE may not be like that, but what works for YOU won't work for HIM! Nor for me.
@Screenwriter he should make her submit. Most of these dominant women are wishing they could find a man was strong enough to make them submit. Girls who want to be the dominant one have mental issues. Same for men who are so weak they want to be a pretty princess.
Now you're just being obnoxious. What works for you will not necessarily work for others. The pretty princess men want love just like the Xena women. LET THEM BE!!! You go ahead and be Mr. Dominant and be happy, dappy! And your lady love be Ms. Submissive. THAT WORKS FOR YOU! live and let live
@Screenwriter Honestly, the Red Pill community is pretty intolerant to men and women who don't want the traditional "men lead women follow" dynamic. With some exceptions, the men in it don't understand nuance.
Tom, this is VERY sad. I will go rake my cypress leaves up and mow my lawn and cry. There is a partial princess man out there for me somewhere. I know there is!!! He'll like weightlifting and hunting, but will be a FABULOUS cook and cleaner. The best of the worlds I love...
No. I just dont understand why a man would want to behave like a girl. Seems really fucked up. I mean dont you have testosterone and get aggressive and competitive? I sure as hell can't let someone be better than me if i know im capable of being better.
Not about a man behaving like a woman. It's about us all behaving on a scale of feminine to masculine and all being different. Most people are in the middle, others at the low ends or high ends. Some men are hyper masculine, others hyper feminine: same would be true for some women who are hyper feminine and the others who are hyper masculine. They're not "typical" but they exist along the spectrum. Their behavior is no less valid than yours is. People don't choose their personalities or their inclinations. Those things are native to them. Just like I played marbles with the little boys and preferred my brother's toys to my own. Not that I didn't play with dolls and like them, but I liked building blocks and trains and racing cars more. I took my Chatty Kathy doll, that spoke a few phrases, and pried it apart to see how it worked. It had a small record inside. I found that more satisfying than hearing the same old phrases from it over and over. I also took baths with my brother's battleship and enjoyed helping dad put together oscilloscopes and transister radios and do car repairs. I have testosterone just like you have estrogen: in much smaller amounts than a man would. Maybe some men have more, just like some women have more. Might account for behaviors. It's not about my being better than someone else. It's about my being the best self I can be. You can't compare yourself to anyone else. You might admire someone else's skills, but trying to "best" them at something is a losing proposition. You can only do the best you're capable of.
It's just as sexist to tell a man that he "should be the dominant one" as it is to tell a woman that "she should be the submissive one" I mean, why don't we just jump back to the '50's and say "a woman's place is in the home" because that's what it amounts to.
I think in the vast majority of relationships there is no dominant partner (although it's probably rarely actually 50/50 either). My mom stayed at home until I was 15 when she went back to earn her gradate degree- but I would hardly describe my mom as submissive. She was a hardcore feminist, her and my dad always put their heads together about big decisions, and while he earned the money- she not only took care of me and my sister, prepared all the food, laundry etc, she also tended a few acres of pure garden, we never had to buy vegetables even in winter, she helped build our house, and in fact if I recall, though my dad was the designer- it was my mom who singlehandedly built our roof. She build a shed too, and was no stranger to a circular saw and router. She also spun wool, knitted us sweaters and socks, kept honey bees, I could go on.
@rob119 it is sexist because men and women are different and therefore they are not the same. Yes the 50s and all time before thousands and thousands of years all were similar in this way.
"I think in the vast majority of relationships there is no dominant partner" and thus all the relationship dysfunction you see in the typical modern marriage. Fighting abuse divorce.
Most of how you described your parents had anything to do with domination or submission. I know why you wrote this all, just general confusion. A hardcore feminist who is a homemaker is probably ultra submissive. They usually are. "her and my dad always put their heads together about big decisions" is not evidence of a submissive or non submissive woman. The fact of the matter is she was a homemaker and fulfilled the traditionally defined sex role because she was a woman. So im not sure why you didn't learn from the example. Did you not like your childhood or family? Did you feel like at any moment your parents would switch roles and it was a fluid thing that just never actually happened? These are the roles essentially 99.9% of family relationships have fulfilled from the beginning of time until now. You in fact grew up with them as well and then you talk about it like its so terrible. I dont get it. Do you even have experience with a no HoH? You seem so sure thats valid. Not sure where you got the experience of how great that is. Thats how i grew up mostly and it was terrible and horrifying literally every day is an argument that cannot be solved. My gfs over the years are ultra submissive as they should be and there is basically no arguments. They say their opinion and i am responsible enough to consider it and then make the decision and they are responsible enough to accept my judgment. Easy.
My masculine, hunter dad starting cooking and growing tomatoes and washing the clothes and my in the house schoolteacher mom starting mowing the lawn when they were in their 50s and all the sexual revolution stuff was happening. It was something to see them switch roles some what. It's not that dad couldn't cook. But he relaxed more later in their marriage. And it wasn't that my mom couldn't mow the lawn. But dad was OK with her doing it later in their marriage. And I have a friend who mows the lawn with his power mower after I mow it with my push mower once a week or so. He loves to mow lawns and I like to too. St Augustine grass is just beautiful to look at and walk on... Ahhhh... And I duck hunt and love to paint inside and out. I also cook and clean, but I don't see those as traditional roles. Every ADULT person needs to be able to cook, clean, wash their clothes and do basic c
aretaking of their household. I get great satisfaction from doing that. My dad taught both my brother and myself to paint the house. Those are not "sex" roles. Neither is child rearing. Societally it's winnowed out that way. But there's no necessity for it to be the purview of only one sex.
A lot of it is because child rearing isn't a role men see as valuable enough for them to do when they can make money. It's foolishness. BOTH parents have unique gifts to give to their children. I love the fact that men are walking strollers and changing diapers and grocery shopping with their young kids. I recall how my dad tossed the baseball to me and my brother for AGES when we were young. Only reason I can throw a frisbee today and why I loved to PLAY baseball and flag football and run... Mom wasn't an athlete. But I certainly was because of my dad.
It's why I'm an outdoorswoman, too. And from mom I learned sewing and basics of cooking, cleaning a home, though my dad mopped the floors too. There was so much overlap, except in a few areas. Dad did the car, tuning it up and building and painting the house. Mom just wasn't interested in it and he was. I like being flexible and I have a lovely tool closet because of it... Change my own oil and keep my car in good trim. It's just SENSIBLE!!!
@Screenwriter that doesn't sound that far off. Its mainly because the man works and the woman doesn't so therefore the woman does most of the chores. Which of your parents had jobs?
@Screenwriter That's interesting, my dad also had oscilloscopes (he was a physicist). I always thought it would be cool to have a g/f who liked to work on cars, as I do.
Dude, you're the one who's confused. Guess how my dad earned his graduate degree in physics? My MOM was the sole earner during that time! She was chief editor at McGraw Hill in Nyc and she put him through grad school! That was in the early 1960's by the way...
You're a walking example of toxic masculinity in action. How would you like it if women took over, and you were forced to be relegated to the role of only homemaker, not even allowed to vote, and in fact, not even having legal recourse for spousal rape? (It wasn't until the early 1980's that husbands could be charged with raping their wives!) Not to mention being forced by women to bear children and having no say in what happens to your own body...
What I see is an entitled misogynist, someone who not only isn't content with having "ultra submissive girlfriends" but who has to preach to others how they should live.
There are plenty of traditional women still. So what's the deal? Why are you so threatened by this? You sound totally emasculated / insecure. Just look at the name you chose, an obvious reference to a hyper-masculine fictional character James Bond.
I'm with Screenwriter here, you're just being obnoxious- an obnoxious chauvinist pig. You don't know anything about dominant women and what they think. (but you just love to believe that deep down, no matter what they may SAY outwardly, the all just CRAVE for a REAL MAN like you to come along and make a "proper woman" out of them, because obviously they lack the autonomy to even know their own minds!
@rob119 "no matter what they may SAY outwardly, the all just CRAVE for a REAL MAN like you to come along and make a "proper woman" out of them, because obviously they lack the autonomy to even know their own minds!" Exactly. I've personally seen this many times, nor have i met an actual dominant woman. I attribute this to the fact there is no such thing as a dominant woman. Just submissive feminine women who for one reason or another are pressured into being something they are not, also why women have insane levels of anxiety and depression.
@rob119 Well, if you were older and available, Rob, I'd get under the hood with you and work on your car. I LOVE cars. I just got a new Civic that I know nothing about. I've had corollas for decades... I'm about to change the oil on it for the first time. Will be a small adventure. And I feel so proud when I work on my car. I DID IT!!! When you know your car, you hear and feel problems when you drive it and prevent more dire ones from happening. It's like knowing your own body... Maintenance, maintenance.
You have mentioned SEX ROLES. Workingon cars is a typical male hobby. But it's nothing written in stone, as any role of work, play or hobby.
There's nothing INHERENTLY masculine or feminine about ANY vocation except the number of MEN who do the job compared with the number of WOMEN who do it. So society ASSIGNS masculinity and femininity to a job that has nothing to do with either attribute or the genders who perform the job..
Of course no one thing dictates a role. You're talking all around what I've said. No role, hobby or job have GENDERS. However, many are more ATTRACTIVE to one sex or the other. But MOST are participated in BY TRADITION not necessity. Nothing to do with dominance or submission.
Why are most electricians men? It's not a job that requires a lot of heavy lifting. But it's been a male dominated job and an old school one where men resented women working with them. And this has, in fact, been the problem in most male dominated jobs. Men have felt threatened by women coming into "their territory." Women nurses aren't threatened by male nurses. A portion of the chef industry had to be sued over sexual harassment and lack of advancement for the few female chefs that have infiltrated the system. The same is true for women firefighters, the military, police.
Granted, there are some physical requirements for firefighters and the military that will keep smaller women out: those fire suits with oxygen packs and the weight of army backpacks come into play.
Other than physical limitations, it's all a matter of what a man or woman likes to do. Whether it's traditional or not doesn't matter.
@Screenwriter typical female submissive victim logic. Makes no sense. If a man said what you just said about the electricians that people were threatened by him doing a job and keeping him out of their territory... id call him a whiny bitch. To be dominant you must first take responsibility for yourself. If you can't figure out how to be an electrician and blame it on others you're just a loser. Men are not "threatened" by an electrician with a vagina or a smart woman. Even if they were its not relevant as one either overcomes or fails. The issue is as smart as they are, most women are not capable of being responsible. When you fail its nobodys fault but your own and man or woman if you can't accept that you are less than. 99% of women fall into this category and thus they automatically fall into a submissive role which if they have an actual man it will make the most sense to follow a traditional role. They are related but not the same ofc. So to a role reversal... if we are talking about a male being of submissive mentality and the woman being dominant, he's going to be a type of gay because a woman can never fully fulfill his desire to be dominated. And women who are dominant are only doing so because they have weak men around them. I've seen many a "dominant" woman eventually discover an even more dominant man and she's ready to throw it all away to submit. Being dominant in random situations or fixing a car or even having a job with significant income does not equate to a full role reversal.
You seem to only be able to think one way and there is NO one way for a man or woman to be. It's what suits them, what they are successful at and what they like. There's no 99% of women who are one way. That's patently absurd. Just like there are not 99% of men who are one way. I don't know what women you know, but I take responsibility for myself: pay my own bills, make my own money, plan my life. With a good man, as per my mother and father, roles are shared, as is equality/dominance.
I do some traditional things, but my work in one job is a male role. In another it's a female one. Personally, I prefer the "male role" job. It's more contemplative and responsible. I'm given a task and I complete it and I feel pride in my work. The second job could be done by a trained monkey. But I do it for the money. I have a two other jobs that I have to start on my own: landlord to an apartment and writing. I am 100% responsible for all the tasks in those jobs. I like being in charge of my fate. I call that being dominant. I'm not looking for a man who will be "more dominant that I am" so I can retire to his dominance and be submissive.
What good will that do for me? Take away my power to be autonomous? My pleasure in that autonomy?
I vote for neither dominance or submissiveness. I like a balance of both. Good luck! women who are dominant are only doing so because they have weak men around them. I've seen many a "dominant" woman eventually discover an even more dominant man and she's ready to throw it all away to submit. Being dominant in random situations or fixing a car or even having a job with significant income does not equate to a full role reversal. """
@Screenwriter "I don't know what women you know, but I take responsibility for myself: pay my own bills, make my own money, plan my life. With a good man, as per my mother and father, roles are shared, as is equality/dominance."
Its about taking responsibility when you fail. This is why there is a huge feminism movement. Every single woman at womens march is no more than a child. And now we see a mgtow mra incel group growing precisely because they are children just like all the moronic feminists.
Why do you need feminism to earn a fair wage? Why not just be the best and start your own company and crush those who treated you unfair? If you can't make your own destiny then you are exactly a child.
There is no such thing as equal dominance. Thats called either fighting a lot or not giving a shit. Tons of examples of this im sure you know at least a few couples like that?
Not everyone wants to start their own company. You can be the best, but because of prejudices of ALL kinds in the workplace, your best isn't recognized. This is why movements were created to address shortcomings in work institutions. This is why we have handicapped access and hiring. Why we have a host of minorities targeted for inclusion in the modern workplace, in med schools and universities...
This dominant, submissive stuff may work for particular people, but not for everyone. There is no one formula for success or happiness. That's as true in relationships as it is in work life. But you won't agree that flexibility is the best option.
@Screenwriter "Not everyone wants to start their own company." Not relevant. They dont want to win so they cry and whine. Anyone who does this is not truly responsible for themselves. You got to go out and prove them wrong by doing it. If you whine you're just a child and children like to have a daddy to do things for them.
@Screenwriter Being submissive has absolutely nothing to do with being "weak", and you also don't usually hear people associate a woman being submissive with being "weak". It's a harmful double standard/ stereotype.
But other than that I mostly agree with you and I appreciate all that you're saying.
Part of feminist theory, as I am recently reading, is to advocate that patriarchal values also limit men's choices, and they should be freed to do things such as freely expressing their emotions. This used to be called a "men's liberation movement" but dissolved in the 1970's, though I have a feeling it has since been assimilated and is still part of feminism but under another name; Toxic masculinity basically describes the same thing only has more of a definition of what it is as opposed to a "movement to advocate for change".
I suspect that many relationships aren't perfectly "equal", or balanced, and to me that's okay, as long as it isn't expected that one must be more or less in charge based on their gender.
@rob119 Yep. That's all I advocate for, equity, fairness. And typical gender roles have never suited me. I was a daddy's girl and I hung around while he fixed the car and he taught my brother and me to paint the house inside and out as kids. How to handle tools. In high school, he bought me a SLR Mamiya Sekor camera. I was a photographer for my yearbook. Used it in my high school art class. My dad loved to take pictures too. For my sophomore year in college, he bought me an ancient but reliable Rambler and taught me how to check the oil, fill and change the tires.
The three on the tree gears used to hang up and I'd have to get under the hood and removed the cotter pins and realign them. A straight six engine with enough room under the hood for two young men to scrunch down and push the car ala Fred Flintstone.
There's so much good in flexibility. Everyone should know as much as they are capable of learning and doing well.
Last year, I had to help a 20 something change his car tire, as it was clear that daddy had bought him that jeep with the flat tire to go to Tulane, but never bothered to show him how to take care lf it... It's foolish and careless. I had a neighbor, 59 years old, was asking her about her little old corolla and she pshawed me and said, "I don't know anything about cars. That's Tim's job." Tim her husband. But since Tim is not sewn to her ass, what happens when something minor causes the car to fail, LIKE A FLAT TIRE... ARRRGGggggg...
There are such simple things that make adults competent in their worlds that require only a bit of effort.
Teaching your children, no matter what sex, competency is a gift that gives for a lifetime. I will forever sing my parents' praises. I can clean a toilet and cook a meal and change a socket and light switch and a washer in a leaky faucet. Saves a lot of time AND money. And it does a soul good to know they can take care of themselves...
@Shuttlebus78 @Bat-Perv You both need to grow up or stop trolling the comments. "Fag" gets reported by me and earns a block. Shuttlebus, you're hardly better especially with your statement that the same activity done by women is especially "lacking standards" Thanks for giving the rest of us good examples of homophobia, bigotry, and misogyny in action.
