No. Now that isn't to say that if the couple is fine with it they shouldn't do it, I just don't think its wise to normalize that. The reason is because we are biologically wired differently and pretending like our biology doesn't play a factor in who we are despite the fact that one strand of DNA is two meters long (and not for no reason), is foolish.
Men like things that most women don't and vice versa. Doesn't mean its wrong if a guy likes something traditionally girly or a girl likes something traditionally masculine by any means, but most of us fall into these catagories for a reason. If we ignore those differences what your doing is telling people they should go against those basic drives and instincts and that is going to eventually breed a lot of unhappiness because we are not just what society tells us we are.
I would say its kind of like saying that because homosexuality isn't wrong, every one should be taught to be homosexual. Now you can do that, but how many people are going to be happy about that? Not many. Worse, they are going to do everything society tells them they need to do to be happy but they won't be and this is going to make them angry and resentful and it helps no one. So we should generally presume people to be normal because most people are normal (and normal means common and common behavior not better or worse, its not a determinite of quality but of commonality.).
Now if it turns out that this system doesn't work for an individual, fine , its their life and they should live it as they see fit and what works best for them because no matter how common behaviors are, their is always deviation and their is nothing wrong with that. But again, we should make sure that people are aware of the most common and normal routes to happiness there are and that is traditional gender roles, they play to our biological drives and they work together really well (women doing what women do best, men doing what men do best, and both complimenting each other making a great team that is highly sucessful.).
It already happens a lot so it's already "normalized".
However, it is not the preference of the majority of men or women and never will be. Gender roles exist for a reason because they are the natural extension of the difference between men and women, their strengths and weaknesses, their likes and dislikes.
Obviously everyone is different, but women are much more likely to have a nurturing nature and much less likely to be attracted to and respect stay at home dads. Likewise men are genetically programmed to be providers and lack the inclination to be nurturing the way a mother is, and men are much less likely to be attracted to the traits that make a person a provider.
I don't mind patriarchy and traditional gender roles within reason.
A French history and sociology professor in university that I had a few years ago said "In North Africa it's a patriarchy outside the house and a matriarchy inside the house".
I think this is an oversimplification but I somewhat see today what she meant.
I don't mind the idea that men should be the main providers (not necessarily the only provider in the couple but the main one). And the woman runs the household, not necessarily alone, the man should be encouraged to help. But if you agreed that the man takes care of most expenses then it's only fair for the woman to do most of the cooking and cleaning.
Moreover nature is kinda against us since we have boobs and milk and men don't. They can't breastfeed. The woman is de facto naturally predestined to spend more time with the baby (she held him in her uterus for 9 months, duh).
I personally grew up in a patriarchal family. And it was very functional and happy family. I don't mind treating my husband as a patriarch of the house. But i expect him to respect me. Patriarchy doesn't mean you allow abuse and disrespect.
Patriarchy has never meant abuse or disrespect (in fact look at how we personify concepts, Lady Justice, Lady Liberty/Lady Freedom, Mother land etc. Its all female centric for a reason). Its always been about protecting and providing for women and children. Never understood how people got it into their head that men where/are just horrible monsters who hate women and treat them like shit even as they witness men slaving away at jobs they hate to provide for their families, fighting to protect them etc. This was actually the reason why the men where the head of the family, they had all of that responsibility so it was only right they have the authority (you can't have a business where the boss has all of the responsibilities but isn't allowed any kind of authority over his workers. That is basically the family unit, the purpose being that the man has authority to dictate things because he is the one responsible for everything and its in the best interest of the family not him.). But like you said, we both have natural predispositions thanks to biology.
I am a super traditional person so my view will be old fashioned but I am the one who is nurturing a baby in my womb for nine months so evidently I will be extremely attached to my child even before he or she is born and once they’re here I will want to spend every monent with my child. I’m very maternal and have always wanted to be a mother since I was old enough to understand. I always played with my little dolls who would pee and drink their dolls baby food and I’d change their nappies. I did a lot of that stuff for my baby brother when I was ten. I don’t think all the modern stuff is for me.
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I think that it's not so much a matter of REVERSING gender roles within a relationship. It's a matter of making those things non-gendered.
So I don't think a man should now take over what has "traditionally" been a woman's role in a relationship. I think it shouldn't be thought of as the role of either gender.
To me, who takes care of the babies, or who ends up the primary breadwinner is going to depend entirely on what makes the most sense for the specific couple in question. The whole idea that "this or that" should be the job of the man or the woman is what needs to change.
Also, that's within limits. I'm gonna say that breastfeeding and physical defense are some examples of things that should (and I imagine will) remain "traditionally gendered"
The problem is specific genders have an advantage in specific roles like you said like defense. Breastfeeding a something only women can do but that makes them more suited to care for the infants. Besides this what do you expect men and women to do if they don’t have a strong foundation to build upon? For instance... gender roles allow men to master a few limited category’s and women to cover the others. You take away gender roles now you gotta be a jack of all trades rather than a master. it’s ineffective. What if both men and women choose not to focus on a difficult but important role that was traditionally a gender role?
Also people work better under a system. You want to break that system down and invite chaos. As out was 30% of men aren’t going to get married and of the 70% that do 50% will get divorced... over that last few years of us breaking the system including Covid datings gotten worse not better. And studies show women overall are LESS happy then before!
We have laws to “guide” us in a beneficial direction. We can step outside these laws with consequence so it was with gender roles. The man can be feminine and the woman can be masculine but at the cost of fewer dating partners. Just like with removing law people would go insane and act how they want with rape, violence, and destruction taking over like in the Seattle autonomous zone if you take the system for gender roles away you don’t open options... these options were always there. You give people too many open options without having them consider consequences...
And I say this from experience. I grew up without a father or a male role model. I didn’t understand what was expected of me as a man until I was in my late 20s. Now that I’ve built myself up I don’t want a woman who’s working 60 hours a week for her career... I want a wife to take care of me while I support the family. As if it’s not already hard enough to find your making it unnecessarily more difficult buy complicating what’s normal.
@VanillaSalt I fundamentally disagree with you. Although I do so respectfully; and I appreciate the time you took to state your disagreement with me in a thorough and respectful way. 🙂
I think that where my disagreement comes from is basically in that I don't see traditional gender roles within a relationship as being nearly so "normal" as you do. What I mean is, I do not think that they are a system that developed because it was the superior division of labor, nor because it made anything less complicated. There are a MYRIAD of social, economic and anthropological reasons that traditional gender divisions of roles and responsibilities ended up being how they were.
To me they are in no way an inherently better or more stable, or less complicated than any other division of roles within a relationship, again within limits. But aside from the more "extremely gendered" examples like physical defense... I do not see, for example, a guy staying at home while his wife works (if that makes sense for that particular couple) is in any way less desirable or good than the other way around.
So on most things, I think it's a matter of what a person chooses to be good at. So... if we take the 'stay at home dad' example... is that husband probably going to be more of an "expert" on the minutia of the kid's daily routine and whatnot? Yes absolutely. I would expect that since in this case it's the husband who will "master" the category of day to day childcare minutia. I think what I dispute is that there need be any gender to most of those 'categories'. I do not believe that women are inherently superior in the category of nurturing or childcare.
I promise you... if you could see me with my 2-and-a-half year old nephew for 5 minutes... I might be able to change your view dudes ability to caring for toddlers. (I agree that if an infant is breastfeeding... that's for all practical purposes going to HAVE to mean the woman will be very involved in INFANT care)
There are a certain amount of shit to be done in a relationship... to me for most things it doesn't matter who changes diapers and who changes tires. Whatever makes sense for that particular couple. That's my view.
You my friend are conservative (at least what you wrote here certainly suggests that). And I do mean in the classical sense. Your entire argument is based on the conservative ideas. Essentially that "conserving thing is a way to maintain order in an otherwise chaotic world. Changing the systems (and traditions) that have helped order people in the past; is going to achieve nothing but unmooring people from that which has thus far provided what little guidance and stability. No good will come of messing with "established" (often portrayed as "natural") ways of doing things. The idea that there is an inherent wisdom in doing things the way they are done. That they are done this way because it is the best way to do things."
And that's cool. We just happen to have different outlooks. I'm no radical anything, but I do tend to be fairly progressive on many issues. This happens to be one of them. I think that change in this area can be beneficial. More, I think that the flexibility to do what makes sense for a given couple (situation) can be beneficial. But we can agree to disagree. And we'll probably have to. 🙂
I see you point and agree but what about secondary far reaching consequences? Women tend to want to date men based off specific traits usually providers and protectors. And they do not like dating broke men... according to a question I posted on here a few weeks ago most women consider a man under 50k/year undateable. 50k is a fair investment into a career but if she wants a stay at home man or he wants to stay at home he’ll still have to invest significantly to get her and then throw it away... other studies show women want around 100k/year from men... this is one example that was written in a hurry so lmk if you didn’t understand it.
@VanillaSalt lol
When my husband couldn't work because of health reasons, I worked and he made dinner and was with the kids till I got home... Once kids are school age, there's no reason why both parents can't be working. This role, what gender is responsible for what is moot... There's the parent role, which means doing what's best for your kids.
I think we should normalize many of the responsibilities as adult responsibilities instead of gender roles. Obviously, breast feeding a baby is a woman’s role. Cooking and cleaning are not woman’s roles. They are adult tasks.
Additionally we should normalize couples deciding what works best for them regarding who does what.
I don't think so. Obviously men can do chores and clean but they don't have the patience to deal with children the same way women do.
Not really... I don't care what gender roles people CHOOSE to do, but they exist for a reason, and have to do with our biology, and aren't merely a "social construct" like idiots assume they are. Men are more often the breadwinners because they were doing the hunting/gathering 10,000 years ago, while women were recovering from childbirth, looking after their kids at home.
Only in the last sixty to seventy years have we even been able to get to the point in society where we can "reject gender roles." Your parents or grandparents didn't even grow up in a world where gender roles were considered "bad." Yet dumb-ass Millennials who just got a Genders Studies degree think they know more than the collective of human history up until 2010.
So while I'm fine with people CHOOSING not to follow gender roles, you'd best believe if sh*t hits the fan and we go back to using sticks and stones, you aren't going to be seeing the 5'3", 110 pound feminists hunting wild animals with spears and rocks.
Don’t underestimate a woman by weight or height...
The way Women's and Men's brains work is very different. Women can handle a lot more stress that comes from dealing with kids al day; they also have the ability to sooth, and calm down their male partner. They are naturally geared to nurture; and are masters at what they do.
Men's brains are more geared to technical, and hunter gatherer. If you put them in a situation where they had to calm kids all day long; they wold loose all their hair. If they are the ones trying to sooth, and calm down their female partner; there is likely to be a fight. Men are not natural nurturers.
Even though the above is very true; there are rare occasions when it looks like the roles have flipped. In fact, they had to take on some of the roles, because one partner was either away for a very long extended period (greater than a month); or one died. But note: when ever the other partner is brought back in; they drop right into their role, and the load is no longer on the opposite gender.
What should be happening in a relationship: is that both are fully in their roles; but, they are also supporting each other, where they are temporarily share each others roles one with the other, in order for their to be unity, and stronger relationship between them. When the wife is taking care of the finances per your request; do the job of managing the kids. Do the cooking on occasion; every little thing you do for each other, that may be classified as the others role, helps you to draw closer, as you learn more about the other person and what goes into what they do as a role everyday!!
You can not reverse the role completely but at least both men and women could share the same roles only to certain things.
For example it's always men's job to find money and provide for his family and give allowance to his wife and family but it's also acceptable for women to find money to help her man provide for family.
However it's completely wrong if women are the one who take a full responsibility for finance need in her family while the men do nothing (don't work and don't produce income at all) and just do housework.
The same case is it's always women's job to become a housewife and hanlde housework but it's also acceptable if the man helps his woman to do housework together like wash dishes, gardening, etc.
However it's completely wrong if men are the one who just take care of all housework while the women don't care at all.
In short the roles of men and women have been decided. We can't just simply switch them completely at all but both men and women could still share the same roles to certain things.
The problem is specific genders have an advantage in specific roles. Breastfeeding a something only women can do but that makes them more suited to care for the infants. Besides this what do you expect men and women to do if they don’t have a strong foundation to build upon? For instance... gender roles allow men to master a few limited category’s and women to cover the others. You take away gender roles now you gotta be a jack of all trades rather than a master. it’s ineffective. What if both men and women choose not to focus on a difficult but important role that was traditionally a gender role? Also people work better under a system. You want to break that system down and invite chaos. As out was 30% of men aren’t going to get married and of the 70% that do 50% will get divorced... over that last few years of us breaking the system including Covid datings gotten worse not better. And studies show women overall are LESS happy then before! We have laws to “guide” us in a beneficial direction. We can step outside these laws with consequence so it was with gender roles. The man can be feminine and the woman can be masculine but at the cost of fewer dating partners. Just like with removing law people would go insane and act how they want with rape, violence, and destruction taking over like in the Seattle autonomous zone if you take the system for gender roles away you don’t open options... these options were always there. You give people too many open options without having them consider consequences... And I say this from experience. I grew up without a father or a male role model. I didn’t understand what was expected of me as a man until I was in my late 20s. Now that I’ve built myself up I don’t want a woman who’s working 60 hours a week for her career... I want a wife to take care of me while I support the family. As if it’s not already hard enough to find your making it unnecessarily more difficult buy complicating what’s normal.
Anymore it seems like the double standards gave become the normal.
I worked two full-time jobs, cane home to clean the house and make dinner, maybe get a couple hours sleep and then repeat.
On Sundays I had my friends five children after his divorce My ex wife didn't do any housework or pay any bills.
This is one reason why I gave up on women entirely after my divorce, I gave up, although I'm thinking about adopting or fostering kids. That way I can have a family without the burden of A wife.
I desire to work and can outwork any woman. I will work to support a family and I will be head of the household, but Christ is head of all. I will take counsel from my wife and she will be a part of decisions, but I will make the final decisions and be accountable for the decisions whether they were her idea or mine. I will be primary provider. That being said, I wouldn't mind if she wanted to do some weekend work or work at home and take care of the kids, but the children's needs have to be met. I'm likely to have a large family 6+ children, so I'm working towards supporting that.
I agree as a Christian but dang that's a lot of kids 😳
I come from a family of 10, but am older than when my parents married. No one says I'm going to have 10 kids or 6, etc. But the belief is that God creates all life and has a plan for all life. I don't create the soul, but God does. I may receive less children or more, but God is in control.
I agree with that and I love that I personally want 2 kiss
You look pretty, but that is a little forward and I am 22. You can see me as a soul, but I am only a blue image on the screen.
Thank you 😊 and it's alright
A man should always take care of his family me if my girl what's too help that's up too her but that's me I'm old school as long she there for the family I'm good I just want the family stress free a man should always take care of his family 💪🏽!!! And nothing wrong with both parents being a team family surpost to take care of each other no matter what right IDC if she leads all I know il keep bringing bread and keeping a roof over our heads if she helps cool like I said I just want her and little ones happy that's all I care about family can tell me what too DO it's my job too protect and provide my opinion 😁!
Of course the decision comes to the individual but there is a reason why these gender roles came in the first place. Mothers are more nurturing, accommodating, emotional and caring to their kids and kids feel more comfortable around their moms usually (when they are young) since they have a much deeper connection to their mom. It is true in the modern world it is kind of becoming irrelevant since anyone can become anything but if I had to pick someone I'd prefer someone with traditional values. Also the thing is if everything is reversed then reverse role will be normalised which will be bad for those who prefer traditional gender roles. I see it sometimes where people criticise families where the mother doesn't work. I mean its her choice if she wants to work or not, why are you getting into our business. And for those who think house work is easy think again, it definitely is not. But yeah each to their own, it all comes down to personal interests and values
I think it should be what ever the people in the relationship have determined works best for their relationship. The good relationships around you may offer a lose guide on things you might want to emulate but it shouldn't be an assumed role without communication consideration and a willingness to compromise. I'm not saying people should debate an analyze everything. I think people should provide the relationship with whatever skills they are comfortable and confident they can handle and the other partner should assume a more supportive position. When needs change or go in the wrong direction they can communicate ideas and be okay with reassigning the role based on what works best for the relationship as a unit.
Nah I think people should just be normal instead of trying to "normalize" something abnormal.
It is proven women are happier when they are stay-at-home mothers in healthy marriages vs childless, older women with only causal relationships.
It is proven that men work best when they are the breadwinner and take the role of patriarch in the family and long-term it is the most stable family unit.
This does not mean there aren't exceptions but rather that nature made a rule and it should be followed.
I do a lot for my son. I'm up with him in the morning give him breakfast, I do lunch most days, do bath time and put him to bed. I also work full-time (from home currently but will be back in office in next few months). Being a parent shouldn't be gendered role.
What you listed is interchangeable roles that both parents should do as part as raising and being there for their family.
The role that should never be changed is that the man is the head of the household and the woman should be in submission to her man in everything assuming this man is a good man to being with.
I agree with the traditional roles and I'm also conservative
No. Traditional gender roles are best.
Women drop out if the workforce more often because they want to have kids. Look at law: women make stellar lawyers, but they run away in their 30s because they want family in their life rather than a constant grind.
Guys, on the other hand tend to be more lone-wolf type and insane enough to sell their soul to their job and make money. They don't want to be tied down to kids
They want adventure and freedom.
I'm generalizing, but these are commonalities. I'm exaggerating them a bit just to highlight differences.
Don't say you want to reverse gender roles unless you're a guy who's okay with being limited to a life taking care of kids or unless you're a woman who's willing to sacrifice family just to grind away at a job.
Like sure a lot of women will want kids, but guess what? I do want to "sacrifice family just to grind away at a job", I don't want to get married or have kids. Nobody's saying every people should be forced to do the same, just that people like me should not be forced the other way.
@123lucy I'm not talking about forcing anyone into anything. I'm talking about social acceptance.
I think that it should be less socially acceptable to go for non-traditional gender roles.
A comparable thing would be society's view of BDSM. Like it's a reaction of "Ugh, cringe, but to each their own I guess.
So some social judgement discourages experimentation with reverse gender roles, but if you're dead set on it from square 1, that judgement shouldn't be enough to stop you.
No because no woman likes a guy that stays at home - To her he's a bum - meanwhile we as men prefer a housewive and hate the complaining non stop working chick - and yea there extremely rare situations where it works - but we're talking in general and extreme majority wise - Both men and women don't actually want it..
Today's society sure seems pretty obsessed with making men into women and making women into men.
You guys just seem to hate biology, nature and the way the brains of the 2 sexes work.
You want men to stay home and take care of kids... you want women to be soldiers and fighter pilots.
Whatever floats your boat.
I agree but it's just my question man lol chill
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I'm so chill...
Are you really chill Sir? 😂
You have no idea.
I'm ooozing "chillness"
I totally agree
I think it can work, it would work for me but there’s people doing that every day. My relationships consists of me and my boyfriend being bread winners, he cooks, I clean. Our relationship maybe wouldn’t work to some 🤷🏻♀️
It wouldn’t work for me*
I think it is up to a couple to decide mutually what the gender roles should be. I'm fine with anything from being the sole bread winner to being equal partners to being her subservient house husband. If she makes a lot more money than I could make then it would make sense if I took over the care of domestic responsibilities. Also I'm a very good cook.
They are already. Depending on who brings home the bigger paycheck, depending on whether one single paycheck is enough to keep the family going or not, the other takes care of the house. Housedads are not all that rare anymore, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Every family makes things work a little differently. To that end, I don't really care how they do it.
The problem with the wife being the family breadwinner is that pregnancies usually require her to take an extended time off from work, which will slow down career progression and put more of a financial strain on the family as a whole. Men do not have this particular problem, so especially in families expecting to have multiple kids, it's a less ideal situation.
I think couple should simply do whatever works for them, but I don't mind the idea of staying at home, if a woman were to provide, although I don't want kids, so I guess I'd have to find a rich partner.
That being said, brainsbeforebeauty makes a very good point.
Your suggestion wouldn't be a bad thing, although I think it's different than the general norm and would probably take time for people to get used to.
Not in the sense that you should flip them. I think both combinations should be okay and valid and be up to the couple. One thing is for sure the guy should be capable of changing diapers if he is a father. No silly refusing of such tasks.
I agree that people should be free to define the terms of their own relationships, especially as it generally nothing to do with me. You're usually going to find most people falling into the traditional patterns, though; it's how we evolved.
I wouldn't do it unless there is an emergency and one of the partners isn't able to perform the role very well.
The thing is, there is a reason why these gender roles exist. The ability to perform these roles is attractive to the respective opposite sex and is commonly used since the beginning of time as the best method of survival.
It's not societal either as nonhuman primates and children as early as six months can exhibit gendered interests before they have any concept of societal expectations.
@123lucy Sure. I meant to say that I would play traditional because that is who I am my wife can do whatever. I have noticed that the willingness to be a breadwinner is attractive so that's the role I'm going to play.
Sorry. I wrote that in a hurry and I guess I left a lot more relevant out than I thought.
Well I think it depends. If you're a Christian and you love a Christian man than it's in the bible for the man to do the work and support the family where the woman stays home and takes care of the kids and house work. In my case I end up doing it all 😂 but that's cause I'm single
I believe that a child needs one parent home with them while I parent is the breadwinner. Who the stay at home parent is and which one goes to work should be determined by the earning potential of each parent. Where I would really enjoy being the person that gets to stay home there is not many people that make what I make so I would be the one that had to work and my spouse would be the one that stayed home.
And yes I would have had this conversation prior to having a child or a spouse.
I'd be okay with that, though I would still help around the house and take care of our children with him. We're a team.
"Gender roles" are based on evolutionary behaviors that have kept humans alive for tens of thousands of years. "Reversing" them is just pretending that they're culturally created which is nonsense.
Not normalised - allowed.
This while rigid setting of norms, for vastly differing individuals, is some kind of Chinese idea of getting us all to be commodities and lookalikes so they can navigate the western, much more individualised, world.
On the rare instance that it works out that way, it's up to the parties involved to work that out.
If you think women are now going to be men, you're sadly mistaken. This level of confusion is rather astounding.
Gender roles aren’t build on societal bases; society is based on gender roles. We contribute what we can and even within gender roles there are various capabilities and capacities that individuals have a general aptitude for leading to their position in the community and family.
Im sick of this fairytale bullshit we feed kids; you can’t be anything you want to be, you can be whatever makes sense for you to be.
Women are too scared to leave their houses they assume men are bad and going to hurt them men have muscle, height, less desired sexually, and no way of getting pregnant from rape. Its better for girls to stay at home with their kids because moms are quicker emotionally and can tend to kids better than men
I think both should do both. Both need to work, both need to clean, both need to care for the kids
Mother freaker does it matter especially when you're a single parent and you got step up does it matter yeah I thought so go sit down be quiet!
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Once the kid is no longer needing to be breast fed, yeah (unless on formula).
also if no kids, both should work until retirement money allows them both to be stay at home people.
Of course. Being a man means a lot more than just doing "guy stuff". Both partners should take care of business together, but I am naturally more of a leader in the relationship. Testosterone and nature can't be wished away lol
I would love for it to be so without consequences, but there's a problem: most women that promote this subconsciously lose respect for their men because they yearn for masculinity. Men cheat, but when it comes to women cheating, things like this come into play. Pursue it fellas, but risk getting cheated on.
Soo, any questions?
Normalizing roles as in what? Adepting society to this new standard? No. For several reasons out of wich the formost is that women spent a good part of a century getting out of that role. I don't for a moment think men as a group want to take up those duties.
But sure, there are men and women both willing to stay home and be the caring parent, don't deny those who are willing but instead count yourself Lucky. They are a decreasing bunch.
For sure. I think people choosing to have whatever kind of life they want should be normalised. Whether that's traditional gender roles, reversed, something in the middle, or being with someone of the same gender or being with nobody at all.
I think it should be whatever that couple is comfortable with. Their shouldn't be any set roles what ever works for that couple that's what they should do
Pray do tell how the hell you're expecting a man to breastfeed a baby, by your logic?
Also, raising kids as a family is a together game. Being dipshits and partitioning tasks to "gender" isn't good for the kids or the relationship.
A family should do whatever it takes to take care of a family. i think in this world both parent should work and share the burden of keeping house , no gender should be exempt
from any role
Sure why not? Should be discerned by easch individual couple nobody else's business
I’m okay with it. In theory at least (I don’t have kids so I can’t answer for real).
I think individuals should be allowed to choose whatever role they want without being shamed for it, whether the woman prefers cooking and tending to the household and the man prefers bringing the dinero home, and Vice versa.
There’s also another opportunity the man could work from home and take care of the house, while the woman works in the public domain.
Gender roles? It’s 2021 not 1945... if a man wants to do something for his wife let him. If a woman wants to work instead of being a housewife? Why not? We should be able to choose instead of following some old school rules...
Two of my friends wouldn’t have the houses they live in and the man toys they have if they didn’t have wife’s that they do they both make over 100’000 dollars a year and m friends have basic jobs
I think gender roles in relationships need to be removed. Who cares if he is the one making food and decorating the house! Or if she is the one working to bring home the money. Society s stupid and so is gender roles!
It's already considered as something normal. But I don't want to have any kind of reverse role in a relationship
It shouldn’t even be normalized. It should be standard practice.
What’s the difference?
@VanillaSalt as in why does it need to be justified in society. Females proposing, house husbands, men as nursery teachers…
No what’s the difference between normalized and standard practice?
It should be whatever the couple is comfortable with, not what others think they should do. In reality, the load is usually shared.
I’m okay with it. As long as both parties are okay with it, it’s okay 👌
obviously no, and its absurd that you even think that women can do men's job and vice versa
I don’t think gender rolls should exist. Just be partners with your loved one, doing what you can and need to do for your them and the children you may have.
I think people should quit worrying about it and just do what is right for them. That being said, in general, women are more nurturing to young children especially babies and I think it is good for the child to have that when very young.
We invented machines to do all the housework, I would happily be a homemaker with no stress or responsibility just work out a bit and dress well.
No because men will expect women to protect them... Impossible
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