Do you believe that women who get into relationship with HVM (High value men) should expect cheating to occur?

[Anonymous]

Jenna Frumes dated Jason Derulo and had a child with him. She believed she found her perfect family when she got a HVM that checked off everything from looks, money, status. As the late Kevin Samuel said, HVM are expected to cheat since these men are much greater than pretty women. Beauty as Kevin said is cheap and easy to obtain for women but a HVM often requires tons of effort building himself up and in some cases being genetically blessed to reach to that level. Thus, men who are HV often have their pick of the litter when it comes to beautiful woman. In addition, women often let these men get away with things that they otherwise wouldn't stand and often have a hard time dumping them since they cannot easily be replaced.

Now, After their break up, Jenna took to social media to write a lengthy post about how she didn't aspire to become a single mother and just wanted a loving family but couldn't stand the cheating and it was the man's fault the relationship collapse. However, if she really just wanted a loving family, she would have weighed her options and gotten a more faithful man, whose dating options were beneath her.

Do you think women should expect cheating if they are in a relationship with a HVM?

Yes

No

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[MrOracle]

Girls are saying "a HVM wouldn't cheat" - and in a sense, I agree, but in reality, that's also a BS answer.

Jason Derulo is a celebrity. He's very good-looking, fit, popular, wealthy, talented, has lots of exclusive access, and lives a very high lifestyle. A very large percentage of young women would consider him to be a HVM, and would desire him, and would get into a relationship with him if they could.

The same could be said about nearly any musician, actor, or pro athlete of any notoriety - most women under 35 would consider most of these men HVM. Does anyone seriously dispute that most of these women would agree?

But it's also the case that virtually all of these men are GOING to cheat on anyone they date or marry. These men have been used to getting women in abundance their entire adult lives, and will continue to have hot women (and even not so hot women) throwing themselves at him day in and day out. Eventually, nearly all of them will cheat. That's simply part of the package when dealing with such a desirable man. I'm not saying it's RIGHT - I'm not endorsing it - but that's simply the way it is. And any woman who gets involved with such a man needs to understand that going in. Such men should NOT be expected to remain faithful, because almost all of them will not be. That's simply a fact.

There are plenty of men available who would not cheat - but those men don't have all of those other things that these men have either. And I honestly think that the vast majority of women actually DO know this, they just don't want to accept it, because they don't want to have to give up their celebrity guy, and the lifestyle that comes with him, to get fidelity. In other words, she CHOOSES the celeb over fidelity, and then pretends to be surprised when he cheats on her.

[EmbraceThePain]

Yes and no. I don't think it should be a huge shock to anyone that a handsome, successful, and powerful man has a lot of women to choose from and is perhaps more likely to cheat in many ways as opposed to men who society doesn't consider "high value." Now, there's a few things involved in cheating, but the one that is one of the most important would be character of the person. I don't think you'd expect someone with good character to cheat on you.

[RiseofArtemis]

High value just means lots of cash and good looks. But is often accompanied by the worst behavioral or moral traits.

[DaveJord]

Brother, who can say honestly... but women these days put men through so much crap and pretend as if its supposed to be all about them. I honestly don't know why they should not expect if from any man. I never cheated on a women and I am not a HVM, but all these women think they are HVW and deserve to be treated as such. Even when they twist and turn you all around like your supposed to be some type of simp.

Then when you actually do have sex with you they act like they own you and its got to be some type of long term committed relationship... but you try to pull the man card on any of the slightest of things and they wig out on you like your some type of obsessive control freak.

Fuck'em I do.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

If he is a man that considers himself a "high value male" because he took the advice of Kevin Samuels, then she would be wise in expecting such a man to be a cheater. What Kevin Samuels failed to understand was that a person's "value" should never be determined by how much money he makes or the material possessions that he owns. Instead, a person's value should be determined by the content of his character, namely where or not he is a loving, caring, kind, and loyal person. Kevin Samuels simply built his platform upon being controversial by parroting talking points that appealed to men that had negative experiences (or no experiences at all) with women. He never built his platform on encouraging men to have good character by being loving, caring, kind, and loyal to women and his loved ones, possibly because doing so wouldn't have garnered many views and subscribers. Men that take Kevin Samuels' advice would only find themselves in horrible situations should they enter relationships with women. If they showcase to women that their only value lies on their money, looks, and status, this only makes it easier for predatory women to take advantage of them for that money and status.

Men that are loving, caring, kind, and loyal would never cheat on their partners by any circumstance, no matter how much money they make. Thus, true "high value males" are men that put being loving, caring, kind, and loyal before anything else, including their level of income and possessions. While I am definitely not against other women dating men because of their money, looks, and status, of course, any wise woman should also look for more aspects of a person's character rather than only their money, looks, and status. For instance, a man, whether he's a celebrity or not, could have millions in the bank, male supermodel looks, and a prestigious career with influence, but nothing is stopping him from being a pedophile that molests the children of the single mothers that he dates, a rapist behind the scenes, or a sexual abuser of the animals that are under his care if he was, say, a veterinarian. At the end of the day, how he treats other people and cares for their wellbeing is more important than his money, looks, and status.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Ironically you are completely incorrect. KS's platform took when he started speaking to women. For years he gave tips to men but no one cared, it wasn't until he held women accountable that people got upset. Society is OK peddling the belief that women can do no wrong, however when someone not only highlights that fallacy but also uses women as their own example against them society can't handle. Your statement is a good example of that. Instead of actually understanding a different POV you attempt to make the case that it's somehow a man's fault that women exposed themselves of his show. This is a common tactic used by women in an attempt to Shame men into thinking like women. Reality is men are judged by the value they bring to the world women are judged by their beauty. Women don't like this so they typically revert to delusions like yours. The best thing KS did is educate young men on how to have respect for yourself, while simultaneously giving them (many of who don't understand women) reall insight into how women behave.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: My statement has absolutely nothing to do with what you're saying, however. I never mentioned anything about women "doing no wrong," or women going on his show. Thus, only you're committing a fallacy here. However, part of your statement does prove the point that I was making. You mentioned yourself that men are judged "by the value they bring to the world," whereas "women are valued for their beauty." My point is that is exactly the problem I was addressing in my answer. A man's value shouldn't be determined by his "value that he brings to the world" nor should a woman by valued strictly because of her looks. People should be valued for being loving, caring, kind, and loyal. "Bringing value to the world" is subjective based on your views of what that "value" is. Either way, no matter what you consider that value to be, a man could bring that value, but still be a hateful, uncaring, rude, and disloyal person. The same thing applies to a woman with really good looks.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Any wise person wouldn't value a hateful, uncaring, rude, and disloyal man that "brings value to the world" or hateful, uncaring, rude, and disloyal woman that looks really good. I personally don't understand how anybody can disagree with the claim that good character is more important than looks or money. As for Kevin Samuels, I am familiar with his work. He always talked about how a "high value man" is one that can make at least $10,000 a month, meaning he puts a man's value based on how much money makes, yet, only 10% of all Americans make a 6-figure income. However, Kevin Samuels never mentioned the importance of men having good character in his content, as he himself didn't have good character. If you value making at least $10,000 a month before valuing being a loving, caring, kind, and loyal person, then you only set yourself up to be taken advantage of by certain women wants to use you for your "value, " since you have no good character for them to fall in love with in the first place. Therefore, any woman that isn't a god digger would be very wise to avoid any "high value man" that took advice from Kevin Samuels because, if she does, then she's going to get fucked over by his bad character.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made What "should be" and what is are two different thing. Reality is that is how the world works, ignoring this only highlights female delusion. Bringing value is not subjective if it was price tags, invoices and investment portfolios wouldn't exist. Some of the most "hateful, uncaring and disloyal people in the history of the world have had tons of partners so that belief is patently false.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Sounds like you're making the mistake of believing your personal belief represents reality. You "can't understand" because women typically only understand relationships from a narrow perspective since they are the demand in relationship supply chains. Good character may be important to you however it is subjective and impossible to quantity whereas thing like appearance and finances are easily quantifiable and also how most people select partners in the real world. Women always like to claim that becoming successful leaves them vulnerable to being "taken advantage" of by other women. This is because u believe men and women share the same fears. Reality is it is men of lesser value and "good character" are the ones that run the risk of being taken advantage of by women because they don't get a lot of women. Successful men understand women can easily be replaced as long as they create value in themselves therefore have less chance of being taken advantage of. TBH women inherently know this but try to pretend as if they are somehow doing enough a favor by telling them having money doesn't give them more access to women.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: I understand that what "is" and "should be" are different. Yet, simply because something "is" a certain way doesn't mean it "should remain" that way. When determining whether something "should be" a certain way, it is done based on people's well-being. Forming relationships with people with bad character is not good for one's well-being. It doesn't matter if some people with the most bad character had a "ton of partners." My entire point is if people were smarter in choosing their partners, then this wouldn't be the case. People need to make better decisions when choosing partners. Thus, it's simply not smart for a woman to choose a "high value men" that took advice from Kevin Samuels unless she wants a man with bad character. Instead, she's better off choosing a loyal, caring, loving, and kind man, as well as a successful one. That is inherently better for her to do rather than choose a man that believes he is justified in cheating on her, as it will result in a healthier relationship for both parties. This isn't "female delusion." This is basic common sense and logic.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: No, you don't seem to understand that reality changes based upon what is good for humanity. Sure, good character could be considered subjective, but that doesn't mean that it should be ruled out based upon your goals. If you're attempting to form a relationship with another person, that person's character is important. For example, if your goal is to have a long-lasting relationship with a person, you want to ensure, more than anything else, that the person you choose is loving, caring, kind, and loyal to you. If you have children for example, you want to ensure that they don't abuse your kids in any way. Do you think that their money or beauty is more important than that? This is all based on positive well-being. Therefore, having a partner with good character should be important to anybody on the planet. Simply put, if a person wants to subject themselves to a person that is hateful, uncaring, rude, and disloyal to them and capable of abusing themselves and their kids, then they need to seek help. I never said anything about women and men sharing the same fears. What I am saying is extremely simple. It is simply better for your well-being to choose a partner with good character when seeking a relationship rather than dating a person that takes advice from a person that values money more than good character. If a man does struggle with getting women, then it's not their "good character" that's to blame. It could be because they simply lack the sex appeal, ambition, social skills, or confidence. If a man has all that, along with being loving, caring, kind, and loyal, then he would have no problem not only getting women, but keeping women as well. Kevin Samuels' advice is only going to help you attract gold diggers and not women that truly love you for you because he doesn't encourage men to have good, lovable character.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made You are demonstrating why women are accused of living in delusion. You're focusing on hypotheticals when the reality is staring you in the face. "Character" is subjective, therefore it is not possible for you to make a blanket judment. The fact that someone that you may deem has bad "character" yet they have a lot of partners serves to prove that either you don't know what constitutes "character" or you're belief is flawed. Furthermore, and this is the msitake that women continually make, You're not speaking about "people" choosing their partners, you're speaking about "women" choosing partners, and you don't understand that men and women are valued on two different things. Whether you believ it's "smart" enough is irrelevant because the fact is that women have sought out HV men sense the dawn of time and will continue to do so. You also either never paid attention or don't understand KS platform. Women come to him trying to understand why they can't keep a man. After hearing their own words, he explains to them why. If a women wants a man, that is going to be sensitive and loyal to only her, then what he is saying, is that she needs to find a less successful man and I agree, and all factuatl evidence points to this being true. No man that works his way to create value and become successful, is doing that for the sole purpose of being with the same women, especially considering women loss value to men as they age. The delusional part, is that even when men demonstrate and articulate this, women spend their time looking for exceptions, whcih is what you are currently doing. All sense is not common and your logic is based on what you want only, and women struggle to understand that there are two sides to relationships.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Going to share something with you. Majority of men would be happy having access to sex with a variety of beatuiful women whenever they want. The proof of this is that throughout history every man that has proven he can accomplish this, has been celebrated. Name one women that has been celebrated for having sex with a tons of me? You keep focusing on what "should" however for a relationship to work, you must take into consideration what your partner wants, and most women simply fail to do this. you also don't undertand that most men "struggle with women". I know this, because as a man, I get the luxury of evaluting men that fail with women, and men that are successful with women. You only get to evaluate the successful ones men therefore you're entire POV is skewed. Go on to GAG and see how many men have questions regarding being "in the friend zone", compared to how many women have the same question. As a man I understand why there are more men in this catergory becasue most men are going to try to stay attached to a women as long as they can in the hopes of one day getting sex from them. You understand this two, but society encourages you to not admitt this. when in reality if a man wanted to improve his chances with women, all he would have to do is go up and talk to as many women as possible on a daily basis. Women are simply a numbers game. Women always attempt to shame other women, in an attempt to make men believe they have less options. KS advice is going to attract, women who want successful, men which is the exactly the kind of women all men should want. Your inexperience has led you to believe that "sugar babies" "Gold Diggers" is an easily attainable position. you fail to understand that that position, is highly intensive and requires doing what they are told when they are told. If you believe that a man is going to give a woman a lifestyle that cost millions annually only to be led by that same women, then you are delustional

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: I'm not honestly not sure if you're trolling me at this point, or if you simply just don't get it. If the ladder, allow me to illustrate my point more clearly. The fact is that what "should be" is based upon well-being, which is the state of being comfortable, healthy, and/or happy. Every aspect of our lives is based upon our well-being, be it the decisions we make in daily life, the people we choose to associate with, to the laws that we create and follow. For example, we have laws against killing, stealing, and assault because it's simply not good for our well-being if we were allowed to kill, steal, and injure people without consequence. Even if you consider this "subjective," it applies to practically every human that isn't mentally ill in some way. I'm sure that you can agree that anybody that doesn't care about his or her own well-being and the well-being of others is crazy in some way. It's simply human nature to desire positive well-being. In the case of relationships, if you associate yourself with someone that is uncaring, hateful, rude, and disloyal towards you, it isn't good for your well-being. I really don't understand how you don't get this. The problem with Kevin Samuels is that he doesn't base being a "high value man" on one that cares about other people's well-being. Instead, he bases it purely on money and status, which only makes women see his definition of a "high value man" as something to use, not love. Thus, taking his advice actually hurts men more than it helps them, but you're too brainwashed by his suits, status, and distinguished persona to even notice this.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner:

"You're not speaking about "people" choosing their partners, you're speaking about "women" choosing partners, and you don't understand that men and women are valued on two different things."

No, I'm speaking in response to the question at hand, which talks about "high value men" cheating. The question directly asked about women expecting "high value men" to cheat when dating them. My answer is that it's simply not wise to date a man that feels that he should cheat simply because he deems himself as "high value." They're simply better off dating men that are loyal rather than disloyal because it is better for the well-being of the relationship. Allowing anybody to cheat in a relationship only brings about problems. I do understand that men and women are valued for different things, but you're missing the point. My point is that both men and women should be valued for being loving, caring, kind, and loyal rather than for their money and their beauty. How can you not get this? Yet, your arguments are attempting to counter this claim by committing the is/ought problem fallacy by calling me "delusional," believing that I'm supposedly not accepting the way things are. You seem to believe that I should only accept the way things are rather than have a notion on how things should be. Simply because something IS a certain way doesn't mean it SHOULD BE that way. For example, slavery was a thing in the past that was perfectly legal and acceptable. Simply because slavery was a thing doesn't mean that it should have ever been a thing because slavery was never good for people's well-being. Whenever you continue to believe that I'm supposed to accept the way things are, you're completely missing the point because my argument is that the way things are aren't always how they should be. If you fail to grasp this, then we're just going to keep going in circles.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner:

"Majority of men would be happy having access to sex with a variety of beatuiful women whenever they want."

That's fine. However, my point is if men want to do this, they're better off being honest about it and should choose women that are fine with it rather than be dishonest towards such women and cheat on them. Doing this is an example of having good character, which should be valued more than anything.

"Name one women that has been celebrated for having sex with a tons of me?"

I would assume that the men that want to have sex with a variety of beautiful women would celebrate the women that have sex with tons of men. Otherwise, how else are they going to live their fantasies in an honest way?

"You keep focusing on what "should" however for a relationship to work, you must take into consideration what your partner wants, and most women simply fail to do this."

That's exactly what I'm taking into consideration, which is my point exactly. It requires good character to understand, consider, and give your partner what they want. It's not that women fail to do this; it's more so that you fail to understand this, causing you to miss the point entirely. This is exactly how relationships "should" be to be healthy and happy.

"you also don't undertand that most men "struggle with women". I know this, because as a man, I get the luxury of evaluting men that fail with women, and men that are successful with women. You only get to evaluate the successful ones men therefore you're entire POV is skewed."

This is not true because in my previous reply to you, I literally explained to you exactly why men would struggle with women, which is due to a lack of sex appeal, confidence, and social skills regarding women. It doesn't take an "evaluation" to understand something so simple. The best looking men with the most confidence and superior social skills are better with the women. It's not rocket science.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner:

"Go on to GAG and see how many men have questions regarding being "in the friend zone", compared to how many women have the same question."

I am aware of that. The issue is that a lot of the men on this site are complete losers with no sex appeal, social skills, or confidence, and instead of working on getting those things, they spend most of their time on this site complaining and treating strangers like Kevin Samuels as if he's their father.

"when in reality if a man wanted to improve his chances with women, all he would have to do is go up and talk to as many women as possible on a daily basis. Women are simply a numbers game."

So basically just keep talking to as many women as possible, get rejected by many women as possible, and finally settle for that one woman that accepts? Sounds like the tactic of a man that lacks social skills and sex appeal. If he had the sex appeal and social skills, then he would very rarely get rejected by women and it wouldn't be a "numbers game" for him.

"Women always attempt to shame other women, in an attempt to make men believe they have less options."

Men can have as many options as they want. I simply believe that they should choose those options in an honest way without cheating, as doing so indicates good character.

"KS advice is going to attract, women who want successful, men which is the exactly the kind of women all men should want."

No. Taking his advice is only going to attract women that want to use you for your money. Trust me. If you try to convince women that your only value is based upon how much money you make, women are going to value you for that money. That's not good for men.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made TY for sharing this as it proves that women don't understand relationships.

"Being honest w/ women benefits the women not the man. Women tell men this because they want to reserve the right to maintain sexual leverage. If my goal is to have sex w/ multiple woman, and I know that a percentage of woman would not have sex w/ me if they knew that. How would it benefit ME to share this w/ them?

Your assumption would be wrong, and you are conflating sexual attraction w/ relationship material just because a man will have sex w/ you does not mean he respects you.

You are taking into consideration what you want, and attempting to pretend that is what everyone wants. Character only becomes relevant after a person's superficial desires are met. While you think it "should be" In the real world relationships are not like that.

If that is true, how many men that struggle w/ women have you had sex with?

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made I understand the point you're attempting to make, it's just wrong. While you may not deem it unwise for women to date HV man, they are always going to do it and until you understand why you're always going to left out. A man is only as faithful as his options so you have a "loyal" man that I usually because you're the only women he can attract. You're seriously asking me why I can't understand why the world doesn't behave the way you wish they should? That is the definition of delusion.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Attempting justify tangible evidence only highlights your delusion. You can't realistically know why people say what they say, yet in an attempt to justify information you don't like you attempt to use typical female shaming tactics.
Yes that would be the best strategy you don't understand this because as a women you aren't forced to. Women have fragile egos so it's difficult for you to fathom the opposite sex telling you know. If this happened to you on multiple occasions it would break you. Part of being a successful man is learning how to handle rejection. Some of the most successful men in the world have failed and been told no multiple times however it was there willingness to continue to keep trying new ideas that ultimately lead to success. Even the most HV of men get rejected 80% - 90% of the time by women.
You don't have a say in a man's standards so it's not a subject you should even comment on.
I've been w/ hundreds of women from all over the globe, and I agree w/ KS and have used similar philosophies to success. You have no experience dating women and very littering experience dating period. Give me one good reason why someone like me should trust someone like you on this subject?

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner:

"Give me one good reason why someone like me should trust someone like you on this subject?"

You don't have to trust me. In fact, my answer has nothing to do with you. The asker asked if women should be expected to be cheated on if they date a high value man. Simply put, considering that I am a woman, I stated that I wouldn't enter a relationship with a "high value man" in the first place, especially if he considers himself that because he took the advice of Kevin Samuels. I prefer to date men that love me, care for me, treat me kindly, and remain loyal to me because that's what ultimately makes relationships last and stay healthy. I'm not interested in grown men that need to take advice from another grown man online on how to be a man. That's pathetic. There are plenty of men out that are successful with good character that would never cheat on me. Simply put, I prefer those guys. Therefore, if this doesn't apply to you, then you really have no reason to even reply to me about this, let alone "trust me."

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: " You're seriously asking me why I can't understand why the world doesn't behave the way you wish they should?"

No, I'm asking why you don't seem to understand that people can disagree with the way things are. You seem to believe that people, especially women, that have negative views of the status quo are "delusional," and you associate that "delusion" with being female. Not everybody agrees with the status quo and desiring change is completely normal. However, when deciding how things would change for the better, we need to think of a logical foundation to make that change. The absolute best way to make certain changes is to do so in ways that benefit people's well-being. Regarding relationships, well-being is increased when you associate yourself with people that are loving, caring, kind, and loyal to you rather than the opposite. Do you agree or disagree with this? Do you believe that men should be cheaters in their relationships? What do you value in your relationships? Do you expect love, care, kindness, and loyalty from both sides, or do you just believe in having sex with as many women as possible without considering those things?

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: You constantly state "women don't understand relationships," but clearly you're the only person here that lacks understanding because you refuse to accept or perhaps even understand how love, care, kindness, and loyalty are important for the health of any relationship.

"Being honest w/ women benefits the women not the man."
In relationships, the point is for men and women to be honest with each other, which benefits both parties.
"Women tell men this because they want to reserve the right to maintain sexual leverage."
This is not a position that only women hold. Both men and women expect honesty from their partners. Honesty builds trust and trust strengthens any relationship. If both parties remain honest and trusting of each other, they can have a long-last relationship.
"If my goal is to have sex w/ multiple woman, and I know that a percentage of woman would not have sex w/ me if they knew that. How would it benefit ME to share this w/ them?"
That's just not true. Plenty women exist that are extremely promiscuous and would have with practically anybody. If your goal is to have as much sex as possible with multiple women, then you don't value true monogamous relationships, which is the opposite of what I value. For that reason, we don't need to be having this discussion. Nonetheless, it would benefit you greatly to have sex with the most promiscuous possible and being honest about what you want. Doing so, you don't have to be a cheater in the process.

"Your assumption would be wrong, and you are conflating sexual attraction w/ relationship material just because a man will have sex w/ you does not mean he respects you."
I understand that. That's why I prefer men with good character that love me, care for me, treat me kindly, and remain loyalty to me. That way, I know for sure that he respects me. That's why I constantly say that a man's character should be judged before his income level.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner:

"You are taking into consideration what you want, and attempting to pretend that is what everyone wants."

Positive well-being is something that every sentient lifeform on the planet desires. Practically every sentient animal instinctually desires safety, good health, and happiness in some form or fashion. With that, it's just simply natural to enter relationships with people that want to ensure your safety, good health, and happiness. How can people expect to do that? Simple, by showing love, care, kindness, and loyalty. Love, care, kindness, and loyalty are aspects of good character and thus should be valued more than a man's income or a woman's looks.

"Character only becomes relevant after a person's superficial desires are met."

Positive well-being is not a "superficial desire." I'm sure if you enter any kind of relationship, you the woman that you're with to treat you with love, care, kindness, and loyalty, unless you're trying to tell me that you're so desperate for women's attention that you don't care how they treat you.

"While you think it "should be" In the real world relationships are not like that."

Do you think that the way things currently are are as they should be? If you answer yes to that question, you technically contradict yourself here. The reason is because everybody has a view on how things "should be" in some form or fashion. Whether or not changes should be made depends on if those views actually help people's well-being. With that said, it's simply better for women to date men that not only are successful, but are also loving, caring, kind, and loyal to them as well.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner:

"If that is true, how many men that struggle w/ women have you had sex with?"

I'm not interested in men that struggle with women. I'm interested in men that are financially successful, have ambition in life, can take care of themselves, have sex appeal, good social skills, and those that are loving, caring, kind, and loyal. I'm not interested in men that need an online daddy to teach them how to be a man and justify cheating and being all-around disloyal towards me simply because some other guy, one that couldn't even value his own health, brainwashed them into thinking that they're "high value men" despite lacking good character.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner:

"I understand the point you're attempting to make, it's just wrong. While you may not deem it unwise for women to date HV man, they are always going to do it and until you understand why you're always going to left out."

Yet, I DO deem it unwise for women to date Kevin Samuels' definition of a "high value man" because it doesn't benefit women (or men) in any way. If men don't focus on having good character in their relationships, then they would always struggle with relationships. If they place their value solely on their money, then as I said, women would see him as an opportunity to come up, not find love. If he feels justified in cheating, not only could that put them at risk of contracting STDs and causing unwanted pregnancies, but this also gives the woman a valid reason not to trust him and, if they're married, could result in a result that takes everything he bases his "value" on, or if they have kids, result in him paying child support and hurting his income for up to possibly 18 years. Cheating is just simply not wise for anyone. Thus, both women AND MEN should date people that have genuine love, care, kindness, and loyalty for others, not losers that need another grown man to teach them how to be men online.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner:

"Attempting justify tangible evidence only highlights your delusion."

Constantly saying that I'm delusional repeatedly doesn't make your arguments any stronger.

"You can't realistically know why people say what they say, yet in an attempt to justify information you don't like you attempt to use typical female shaming tactics. "

Let's be honest here. You're a 44, meaning you're middle-aged, and took advice from another middle-aged man on how to be a "high value man" that was divorced twice, had poor health he didn't highly value, and wasn't a guy with good loving, caring, kind, and loyal character. Then you try your hardest to argue with me that good character doesn't matter in relationships due to him basically brainwashing you. With all do respect, you should be ashamed of yourself.

"Even the most HV of men get rejected 80% - 90% of the time by women."

A man that gets rejected by women 90% of the time is not a "high value man." If anything, he's a work-in-progress at best.

"You don't have a say in a man's standards so it's not a subject you should even comment on."

Yet, this question is about what women should do. I answered it as a woman and yet, as hypocritical as you are, you believe you have a say in my standards. Newsflash, you don't. My standards are to date successful men that have a good character and are loyal to me. I'm not interested in you or any other Kevin Samuels follower. Thus, with that, you literally have no reason to continue this conversation with me.

"I've been w/ hundreds of women from all over the globe, and I agree w/ KS and have used similar philosophies to success."

How much money in child support and/or alimony do you pay then?

"You have no experience dating women and very littering experience dating period."

Well, you're right about that. I am no lesbian. Nothing against them though. However, I have a lot of dating experience.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Exactly! You claim "The answer has nothing to do with you" Yet earlier you claim "men would better off being honest w/ women" That advice is wrong because it's about what you want because as you then stated "I wouldn't enter a relationship w/ a HV man" This is why I teach men never to take relationship advice from women. Like you just proved, women only understand relationships from one side and when pressed about their advice the usually admit that it is only self serving and has nothing to do w/ helping men get what they want. It's "pathetic" to you because you ultimate motive is only designed to benefit you.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Now I see where your confused. I make a % of my income from people disagreeing so it's not an issue for me. The difference in this disagreement is that my position is based on facts yours is based on feelings which is why you are classified as delusional. Also you keep saying thing need to be better when in reality if you're an w/ a little money, decent looks and some game, there's never been a better time in history bag women. Why would we want this to change? You're working of the false belief that because you are struggling that everyone else is and that is not true. "Well being" is subjective and in my opinion this is why women are so unhappy today. I believe that when a man works his ass off to create value I himself, multiple women are part if the reward. I realize that as a women this is difficult for you to understand because women don't have to do this. In my relationships a women needs to be
1. Attractive
2. Good at sex
3. Not willing to make her problems mine.
Love, kindness, and loyalty are not a prerequisite for me to have sex w/ a women I have bangs several women that I downright despise.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made as of Saturday morning I have had sex w/ exactly 258 women in my life. If I didn't understand relationships there is no way I could accomplish that. This is the delusion part. It is a fact that woman control access to sex men control access to relationships. If men were truly honest w/ women about what they want it would limit their opportunity to get sex which is what men value. My question wasn't how can I have sex w/ only permiscuios women it was why would I limit my pool of women? How does that benefit me at all. (If you're truly interested in dialog answer that question) Notice you continue to claim that this will benefit me but have yet to provide one benefit. The "cheater" label is an issue for you not me and again you're speaking from both sides of your mouth. In one sentence you claim to provide advise that benifits men but when pressed you admit your true intentions are about getting what you want. Which I have no issue by the way however men need to be careful and learn these traits bevause they are at a disadvantage and when people are desperate they will sometimes seek out any advice even if it's bad. It is a good strategy for you to seek a man w/ those traits however you need to understand that if loyalty is a prerequisite you're not going to get it from any many that society deems successful.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made You're attributing "positive well being" to traits that benifit you. I would argue any man that puts all of his energy into one women is only harming his well being as woman are typically emotional and irrational and it will be much more difficult for that man to find support than it will be for that women. If what you were saying was true beauty standards wouldn't exist, so again you're focusing on what should and ignoring what is. Again you're speaking from both sides of your mouth, one had you claim you are sharing what you want but now you interested in hearing what I require from women? Be clear, is this about your requirements or are you interested in male needs? You would have to explain to me how you think "things are now" Are you currently in a relationship? One of the big problems women have is they give advice w/out experience. So you agree that women seek out successful partners?

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made If that is true then your argument has no basis. Women only interact w/ the top men, therefore they fail to understand men as a whole. You literally just listed 8 items that you seek in a man. If a man has all 8 of those things, why would he choose to be exclusive w/ you?

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made That is exactly why your point is false. It benifits you, yet you have been unable to explain how it benifits men. That's equivalent to me selling you a car by saying I get a big commission check from it. I'm asking you to explain how this strategy benifits me? At something in your life you will realize your belief is false, this I why you see so many single older women who are depressed. Name one man in the history of the world that has money and success that has struggled to get women? The other thing you don't grasp is women only have an advantage over the 80% of guys they don't interact w/. Guys that have been w/ tons of women have seen all of their tactics and are less susceptible to them. So men shouldn't take advice from men online but they should take advice from a single women?

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Then you need to stop behaving delusionally. You're beliefs do not exist in actually society. There is no Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny doesn't exist and Disney movies are not real. That is another fallacy, I listen to all pov's and then execute based on what's best for me. Same why I'm reading what you share, and then showing the contradictions to other men that come to me for advice. The fact that you don't understand the rateen get rejected only proves how little you understand about the make experience which is why you shouldn't be providing advice. I don't pay any money in Alimony or Child Suport because I was smart enough never to get married. Now I have acquired a nice net worth have freedom, and have been able to attract the same caliber of women today as I did 20 years ago, all by following a smart detailed plan tailored to my success. You have a lot of dating experience? How long have you been married?

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Yet, claiming that my answer is "about what I want" doesn't disprove the claim that men are better off being honest with women. Men are better off being honest with women and not cheating on them because it reduces the risk of contracting STDs, undergoing a divorce, and having to pay child support and alimony. If a man enters a relationship with a woman that is loving, caring, kind, and loyal to him and he shares the same feelings for her, then the relationship can last a long time without risks. That is inherently better for men. If men take advice from Kevin Samuels and believe that they should cheat because they're men, they would have a bunch of problems with women, much like he did. You claim women only understand relationships from one side, but I am explaining it from both sides, such as how men and women can benefit from being loving, caring, kind, and loyal to each other.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: The conversation about who women are better off dating isn't related to facts, but rather opinion. However, to make a strong argument, opinions should be based upon facts that are relevant to the topic at hand. The fact of the matter is that men are inherently at risk of contracting STDs, causing unwanted pregnancies, and being more likely to pay child support if they cheat in relationships. If a man doesn't want to take those risks, then he is better off devoting himself to a woman that is loving, caring, kind, and loyal while simultaneously treating her the same way. You fail to understand that I'm not arguing against men "bagging women." If you want to have sex with as many women as possible, I'm all for it. However, my claim is that if you want to protect yourself from things such as STDs, child support, and whatnot, do it honestly with women that are interested in doing the same thing. Don't trick into thinking you want a serious relationship with them and then cheat on them because a dead man on the internet with no values told you to.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: The vast majority of human beings in the world value their well-being. As I said before, only the mentally ill don't value their well-being. The primary reason that men believe in making money to support themselves is because it's good for their well-being. It's simply better for a man's well-being to NOT have to pay tons of child support, contract STDs, and lose everything in divorce and alimony payments. Thus, it is inherently better for the man to enter relationships honestly with women that are also equally honest to reduce those risks. Obviously, Kevin Samuels can't give advice on that because he went through those risks because of his foolish beliefs. I noticed one interesting aspect of your little list. You mentioned, "Not willing to make her problems mine." If a woman isn't loving, caring, kind, and loyal to you, and doesn't value your well-being, she's not going to care about what you want. Thus, she is very likely to make her problems yours. That's why dating a person that cares for your well-being is extremely important. However, if your goal is only to have sex with men, then we don't need to be having this conversation because I value more than sex in relationships.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: First, I highly doubt you ever had sex with one woman, let alone 258 women. Two, even if so, having sex doesn't prove that you understand relationships. Plenty of prostitutes and/or women that fuck with no strings attached exist that men could easily fuck. Men and women control access to sex and relationships. Regardless of your gender, you have the choice to accept or reject sex and relationships. If men were truly honest about wanting sex, they would have sex with women that only value sex as well. Contrary to common belief, plenty of women like that exist out there. Its better men that only value sex to date similar minded women rather than women that value long-term relationships because that reduces the risks of the things that I listed previously. If you have sex with only promiscuous women, then you wouldn't be limiting your pool of women because plenty of them exist. It benefits you because you get exactly what you value, sex. Obviously, the cheater doesn't matter to you because you don't mind being a cheater and taking risks. As for me, I want my relationships to be healthy. The main reason I am mentioning that it's about what I want is because the questioned asked about what women should expect from men in relationships. Simply put, I don't want a man that cheats on me.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: With that being said, I'll let you explain it to me the best way I can. Why should I enter a relationship with a "high value man" that believes he should cheat on me when I can enter a relationship with a successful man that is loving, caring, kind, and loyal to me and would never cheat on me? Explain to me how dating the cheater is better for me. What value do cheaters bring to relationships in general?

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Yet, not all women have the same personality traits. Not every woman is emotional and irrational, nor is every is man non-emotional and rational. As I mentioned before, social skills is very important for entering relationships. If you have good social skills, you would be able to spot whether or not the women you're interested in are rational and not overly emotional. Thus, devoting your energy into loving a woman that isn't overly emotional and rational is inherently better for your well-being. It's also better for her well-being if you return those same feelings towards her. Yes, I agree, this is how things should be because it results in good relationship health. We all value being in good health in some way. What I'm doing is answering the question directed towards women, thus sharing my personal preferences. I just so happen to be better off with men that don't cheat than otherwise, and men themselves are better off when they don't cheat. It's that simple. We're all better off being honest people.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: To answer your questions, yes I am engaged right now. My fiancé is very good looking, makes a lot of money, and would never cheat on me. As for women seeking out successful partners, yes, women should definitely seek out successful partners, but if they value long-term relationships, marriage, and family planning, then it shouldn't be with a cheater. That's basic common sense and logic.

That's false. Women don't only interact with the "top men." If you go into practically any rundown ghetto or trailer park, you would still see many couples. It's not like only the most successful men are the only ones that are entering relationships. Statements like this really make me believe that you're probably a virgin that doesn't get out much. As for why a man would choose to be exclusive to me, it's because we connect through the feelings that we have for each other. We value each other more than anybody else in the world, which motivates us to marry and start a family.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: I have explained how it benefits men several times. For one, I said that it benefits men to be honest because it reduces the risk of contracting STDs and putting themselves in positions where there are likely to pay a ton of child support and/or alimony. STDs and having to pay a lot of your money instead of keeping isn't good for a man's well-being. Yet, you're so desperate for being "right" that you don't want to admit that and you keep saying "well-being is subjective." It's simply better for a man's well-being to be wealthy than broke. If you're truly successful, then you would understand this completely. You wouldn't want to lose that money you have to child support simply because you thought cheating is perfectly fine. I never argued that successful men struggle to get women. I'm arguing that such men (and women) should enter relationships honestly. Where did you get the 80% number from, by the way? Men should take advice from anyone that gives good, helpful advice, preferably from their happily married fathers. They shouldn't take advice from a guy that encourages people to cheat when it leads to negative things for both the man and woman and when that same man was already divorced twice in his life.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: I feel sorry any man that believes that you're giving them good advice. Soon as they start cheating on their girlfriend, when they contract STDs and have to pay each of those girls money that they base their "high value" on for child support, I'll make sure to point out that's exactly what happens when you take the advice of Vegasrunner. As for you not paying alimony or child support, that might actually be true because I do honestly believe that you're actually a virgin living a "high value man" fantasy. Yet, let's say you're not lying. I don't believe you then. I know plenty of men that had sex with much less than 258 women but they still pay child support. As for me, yes, I have a been dating and sexually active since age 16 or 17. I'm 31 now. I have never been married, but I have been engaged for three years. Only reason we haven't gotten married yet is because we want to wait until all the COVID stuff blows over.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Lol, that literally made me LOL. None of those things are better for men. Telling a woman you're banging another woman does not limit STD's it only limits your opportunities to bang that women which doesn't help at all. 70% of marriages end in divorce so that belief is false. You are by definition only speaking from one side as none of what you are saying is a perspective held by men that are successful w/ women. The problem you are struggling w/ is you are attempting to define success from your metrics which only further validates you don't understand relationships from both sides.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made These are simply shaming tactics that women attempt to used to justify a false position. Every person on earth is the result of unprotected sex so to pretend that STD's should be why men should settle for one woman is disingenuous. You have a better chance of dying in a car accident than a airplane. So why do people drive cars? Again you are speaking from a female perspective. I have personally been banging women for two over two decades and don't have Child Support, or an SID. Partly because I use protection, and I don't have sex w/ women who have other sexual partners besides me. You're asking me to make a change from something that works simply so you can feel better, I'm never going to do that nor would any rational person.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made You're making the mistake of thinking that what you want is what others want. At least you understand that marriage is a bad deal for man and I agree w/ youbthat men should not get married. If Kevin Samuel's shouldn't give advice why do you believe you are qualified to? All women attempt to make their problems yours as you are proving rn. You have a problem w/ men not being honest, I do not. Yet you have spent this time attempting to tell me that I should base my sexual strategy around your fears.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made I realize that number is impressive to you and yes as of Thursday Night I have had sex w/ 259 women. You're skeptical because inherently you know how difficult it is for guys to get laid. I was fortunate to be a star athlete in HS and College, and then work in the LV Night Club industry for over a decade in my 20's and 30's and back in sports currently. These paths have kept me in that 20% of Alpha men who in my opinion get about 90% of all women and provided me w/ more access to women than the average guy. All of this has allowed me to learn and to see their vulnerability in ways most men are not fortunate to I've never had sex w/ a prostitute but I have banged two porn "stars". Statistically you are wrong about how easy it is for men to get sex are you aware if the percentage of men under 30 that are virgins? It is not easy for a guy to get sex whis is typically why society values men that can. Hugh Heffner, Dan, B, Derek Jeter, etc. It's ok, that you don't know this because as a woman how can you? Men typically approach women so it does not surprise me that you don't understand what it takes for a man to have sex w/ that many women and it only stands to reason that since you don't have to do anything to receive what you want, you naively believe that it goes the same way for men. I do appreciate you finally admitting what you could have admitted a while back, but yea, you dont want a man that cheats on you so it's easier for you to pretend that men should want what you want.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made I've never made any judgment on who you should be with. Women do this to men, men do not do this to women. That is one of the double standards that benifit women. Your job is to lock down the highest value man you can b4 you get too old. My job is to create as much value in myself as I can so I don't have to deal w/ the fluctuating emotions of one women. Difference is society generally supports your sexual strategy while discouraging mine. That's why most men can't be honest w/ women because they don't want to deal w/ the backlash.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Feel how you like but the results are all that matter. You're doing the delusional thing again creating a hypothetical that has a small to zero percentage of having an impact. Also you're being dishonest as you aren't articulating any advise I've provided. The virgin belief is just a coping mechanism to help you deal w/ info you don't like. OMG! You've been doing all this lecturing and you're over 30 and haven't even gotten a guy to committ to you? Engaged for three years. Let me guess you're a blak woman?

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: The more women that you have sex with, the more you put yourself and other women at risk for contracting STDs. Limiting yourself to one women directly decreases your chances of contracting STDs. Being healthy and not having STDs is much better for men than being diseased and spreading your diseases to other women. I'm quite sure that all "sides" can agree with this. In addition, the claim that 70% of marriages end in divorce is false. About 41% of first marriages end in divorce. However, the percentages increase when people have been married more than once. However, even if a high percentage of marriages end in divorce, that doesn't mean that your marriage has to end in divorce if you truly have the wisdom to find a good loving partner. The problem in today's society is that too many people lack the wisdom to find a quality partner and often marry for reasons other than love. Kevin Samuels was never a guy that taught that wisdom.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Merely having unprotected sex is not always a risk for contracting STDs. Instead, the risk for contracting STDs comes from having multiple partners. Of course, having sex with supposedly "258 women" greatly increases your chances of contracting STDs and spreading them to other women. Not every person that gives birth to children is having sex with multiple people. However, you also mentioned that you use protection. Only people that are concerned about their well-being use protection. Therefore, when entering any sort of relationship, a person's well-being is extremely important. I agree, it's simply much better for your well-being to have protected sex. I'm also not asking you to change anything. Simply put, I just have a different view on relationships and prefer to date men that are trustworthy and do nothing to threaten the health of the relationship.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: I'm not making any mistake. When two people enter a relationship, they both consider what they want and how it positively benefits them. In my case, it would positively benefit me if my partner is loving, caring, kind, and loyal towards me and it benefits him if I shared the same feelings for him. If this exists in any relationship, it would be healthy and last long. I also never said that marriage is a bad deal for men. I'm not sure what you're reading, or maybe you misread what I said. However, I do believe that people should only marry when they're wise enough to find a compatible partner and have true feelings for each other, which ultimately reduces the chances of getting a divorce. I also never said that Kevin Samuels shouldn't have given advice. I just don't think that his advice was good. His advice would only see more men having more child support to pay, STDs to treat, and an increase in broken families and single parents. I don't think your sexual strategy is good, but you're a grown man. I can't make you change anything, nor am I trying to. Yet, I'm not changing my values either. Simply put, I prefer honest men that don't cheat and that would never change about me.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: I don't believe it's difficult for guys to have sex. In fact, it's extremely easy for men to have sex. Prostitutes and easy women are extremely abundant, especially in this "Only Fans" era. Also, there is no real difference between a prostitute and pornstar. They all fuck for money. However, what's difficult for men is actually finding a meaningful long-term relationship and making it work. Many reasons exist why I don't believe you, but the main reason is because I know that many men online, especially Kevin Samuels fans, and/or men that talk about being "alpha males" and whatnot, tend to be incels and/or virgins that lie about having sexual encounters to make themselves seem cool. I find it unlikely that a guy can know the exact number of his partners over the years, especially when it's high as 259 unless he keeps a record of it, which is, in my opinion also unlikely and very weird. You're also using all the incel buzzwords too. Thus, I don't believe you for a second. However, if you really want to convince me that you're actually out here getting pussy like that, prove it to me. For woman number 260, I want you to record a sex tape with her, put a sheet of paper in the video with your username Vegasrunner, upload it to the internet, and send me a DM with the link to the video. You don't have to show any faces, just your username on a sheet of paper. Until you do that, I'm just going to continue believing that you're a typical Kevin Samuels worshipping virgin.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: @Vegasrunner: I am aware of the fact that the vast majority of adult men in the United States are fathers, which directly proves that not a lot of adult men are virgins. Thus, I'm still not convinced that it is hard for men to have sex with women. It's only hard for men that are unattractive, lack sex appeal, social skills, and the confidence to approach women. Because you constantly talk about how hard it is and because you seemingly need the advice of another grown man about how to be a man, you're probably one of those guys that are unattractive, lacking in sex appeal, social skills, and confidence. They are literally the only type of men that struggle with women and say that having sex with them is hard. Otherwise, if a man is attractive, has sex appeal, social skills, and confidence, women would be all over him.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Additionally, if that man turns out to be loving, caring, kind, and loyal, it's possible to have a lasting relationship with him. It's financial stability, sex appeal, social skills, and confidence that ATTRACTS women, and being loving, caring, kind, and loyal that KEEPS women. Women don't care about Derek Jeter, Hugh Heffner, etc. They only care about their money and fame. Basing your value on your fame and money only attracts gold diggers, which isn't good for men. Adults have to work hard to receive what they want. Gender doesn't matter. Exactly what do you mean by "finally admitting?" Relationships are personal. I'm better off with a man that is loyal to me, and people are better off being loyal in general if they want lasting relationships. Any other woman that values long-term relationships are better off as well.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: If you're not making any judgement, then what exactly are you replying to me for? You seem to have an issue with me saying that women are better off with men that don't cheat. Personally, I don't want to be in a relationship with a cheater. Why does that concern you for some reason? Relationships last longer and families can develop if everybody in the relationship is loving, caring, kind, and loyal towards each other. You talking about what "my job" is in a relationship. That doesn't apply to me. My "job" is to find a guy that loves me for who I am no matter what age I am. I don't subscribe to Kevin Samuels' meaning of a "high-value man." I "highly value" men that are good-looking, confident, have good social skills, and as I said many times, are loving, caring, kind, and loyal, meaning that they don't believe in cheating on their partners. I enter relationships with that same energy.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Well, I have a guy that is committed to me. My fiancé and I have been together for five years. If he had taken the advice of someone like Kevin Samuels, then commitment wouldn't be possible. The only reason we're in engaged for three is because, as I said, COVID-19. We want to make sure that every aspect of the pandemic is gone so that we can have the biggest wedding that we planned without having to take any precautions. Either way, we practically are married at this point anyway. Also, both my parents and most people in my family are happily married. Yes, I'm Black. I thought my avatar would make that obvious, but I guess not. I'm not really sure why that matters though, but yeah.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Limiting yourself from driving reduces the risk of being in a car crash, so should people walk everywhere? The same way people limited driving risk by using seatbelts people Tcan limit STD risk by wearing protection. That % takes into account all marriages including both second on third. Furthermore as you mentioned, in a marriage a man takes all the risk as he is the one most likely to lose his children and be forced to pay child support and alimony, so not sure why you believe this is a good decision for any man. So Much of your belief system seems to ignore facts, and focus on feelings. All KS did was create a platform where women could speak for themselves and in doing that he allowed them to highlight much of their delusion and hypocrisy.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made That belief is false, the main reason most men use protection is to reduce the risk of getting a chick pregnant. Honestly most STD's today can be treated w/ prescription medicine but getting stuck w/ a mouth to feed can ruin your life forever. You view is fine, however like most women you're not understanding that just because you prefer something does not make it better for me. Realistically a lot of guys fall for this trap, it is better for you if a guy is faithful because you understand that if you're the only option you'll receive all the attention. Plus if you guys were to split up you don't really have to do anything to receive attention from the next man. That guy however will have to start all over and it could be a long time b4 he even meets another women. This is a conversation I've had w/ a lot of women, and after doing what you do, the typically begrudgingly aknowledge this truth. That is why I tell guys that if you want to be successful w/ women you must have at a minimum of 3 women. Main chick, side piece and a mistress. If you would like more detail on this just LMK.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made You're making a huge mistake which is probably why you're not married yet. Yes these things would benefit you but you have yet to accurately explain how these things would benifit the man, and claiming that they may catch a STD is not one. I'm saying marriage is a bad deal for a man because in general men's sexual strategy is to get w/ as many women as possible. When men are amongst other men they brag about how many women they've slept w/ not sleeping w/ only one woman. Also not sure of you actually watched any KS because he gives advice to women not men so what are you referring to? You are a women so no you should not think my strategy is good because you are a women. It would not be good for you to go out and have sex w/ a lot of men because you will be labeled a slot. A man that has sex w/ a lot of women is a hero. Why do you think Wilt Chamberlain bragged about having sex w/ over 20,000 women?

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Lol, of course you don't believe that, because you've never had to attract a women as man. You also prove my point about how little women understand about relationships. A prostitute and pornstar are both sex workers but are not the same. For one prostitution is illegal. Also you're again being dishonest as nowhere did I say I paid to bang these two porn stars, you are simply implying that. Pornstars have personal lives just like everyone else. You don't know any of these things however it's easier for your POV to believe that men who disprove your POV are lying. However if their was a man that had a public platform that shared you POV you would be much more open to believing him. Ironically you contridict yourself as you claim it's "not difficult to get sex" but then claim that successful men are somehow virgins for sharing an opposing POV. Sounds like you believe what you want to believe vs examining facts. Also the fact that you're struggling to understand how I can have sex w/ 259 women also contradicts you, as if it were as "easy" as you claim that number would not impress you. Yes, I have kept a record, 1st girl I had sex w/ was named Kim in 1995 last women was named Serena this Thursday, to date I have slept w/ 11 Sarah's both Sarah and Sara, 6 Sadaf's and 4 Jennifer's. As I explained because of my background I have always been in the 20% and those are the men that get their choice of women. You most likely have only dealt w/ the average 80% of men which is why you're struggling w/ these concepts. I'm not doing any of that because I have zero interest in seeking your approval as I have never been banging a chick while being concerned w/ what a random person on SM thinks. Also a person like you that lacks integrity would then attempt to use the video evidence to claim that I was somehow distributing Porn.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made That is false as something like less than 30% of all men have procriated throughout history while over 90% of all women have. Again you are entitled to believe what you want however, being incorrect only validates my beliefs.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made It's your job to keep a man not the other way around. If a man takes care of himself makes some money and has confidence he can bang chick's ro the day he dies. That's why it's more common to see older men w/ younger women than vice versa. I had more sex w/ women from 35 on then I did from 18 to 35. Yes gender matters a lot, an attractive 19 year old woman does not need to work hard to get what you want. From my nightclub days if both you and a 19 year old attractive woman were to gome to the club, she is getting right in while you're going to be forced to wait your turn. A 30 + year old woman does not have much value while a 30+ year old man's value increases. You may believe that "women don't care" but do you know what the #1 rule of a HV man is? I said "finally admitting" because at the end of your statements you always come back to what YOU want. Which is the entire crux of your argument. What you fail to understand is that what you want is not what men want I always find it ironic women spend all this time trying to convince men that they should ignore what they want in Liu of what women want, and then attempt to pretend that it somehow helps them.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffaby_Taylor_Made whenever I see something inaccurate I tend to respond. Over 90% of all relationship material is consumed by women so for the most part men get a skewed POV. Comments like yours contribute to this, my hope is that male readers can be provided w/ a more accurate POV while recognizing the flaws and hypocrisy in yours. I don't have an issue w/ you beliefs as all, as they are standard female beliefs, however those beliefs don't benifit men. Your value lies in keeping a high value man, don't believe please share with me the personal details of your current boyfriend.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Talor_Made My argument is that he is "committed" to you because he doesn't have a better option. I never saw your avatar only your handle shows up on my end. Figured you were black because black women always treat prolonged engagements like marriage. These are some of the things you pick up after being intimate w/ so many women. Black women are the lowed married demographic in the world, so when you kept taking about your engagement I knew you had to be black. White women, Asian women and Spanish women only discuss their husband's. You haven't been able to get this man to actually commit to you and you're getting up there in age. From where I'm standing you should be listening more to people like myself and KS vs living in delusion.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner:

I disagree. When in a relationship, it's the job of both parties to remain loyal to each other and express their love, care, and kindness for each other. Sure, a man can fuck whoever he wants as long as he's single. However, if he has that mentality where he doesn't want to be loyal to our relationship, I'm breaking up with him.

Ah, I see. You're interested in 19-year-old women that are barely adults. That says a lot about you.

What you fail to understand is that not every man wants the same thing. Not every man is a middle-aged man that has fantasies of fucking young girls that are barely grown adults. Some men in the world actually desire female companions that they can express their love, care, kindness, and loyalty towards while also getting it in return. Thus, it's not just about me, but rather any woman that desires something similar. The type of man you're referring to is better off with hookers and thots rather than women that actually value love, family structure, and long-term relationships.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Your argument lacks merit because you don't know anything about my fiancée. You also need to understand that everybody in this world has "options." However, we both have the option to commit to each other because we genuinely love each other. Also, not every Black woman is the same. Black women are also not the only race of women that discuss engagements. We have been together for a long time. As I said before, the only reason we're not married is because we wanted to wait until every COVID-19 restriction is completely lifted in our location. We don't want our wedding to be ruined by anything such as masks and safety precautions. I don't think you understand the definition of a commitment relationship. We both have been together for several years, live in the same household, share practically everything, and haven't had sex with another people during that entire time. That's commitment. Not being married yet doesn't change any of that, but we're getting married very soon.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner

"That is false as something like less than 30% of all men have procriated throughout history while over 90% of all women have. Again you are entitled to believe what you want however, being incorrect only validates my beliefs."

My information is not false. Literally the majority the men, 60% of males ages 15-60 are fathers. Logically, this means the exact same thing for mothers because you can't have a father without a mother. You can literally look this information up and learn it for you. This literally proves everything about your whole "80% thing" being completely wrong. Don't believe something that because simply because a well-spoken, well-dressed man in a suit told you. Learn to think for yourself and do your own research. How can you be a "high value man" when you can't even think for yourself and believe anything that another grown man tells you? True high value men are independent thinkers.
www.census.gov/.../P70-162.pdf

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Prostitutes and pornstars are the same thing in my eyes because they both fuck for money. It's as simple as that. The fact that prostitution is illegal in most places doesn't change the fact that pornstars still fuck for money. Personally, I don't believe that you fucked any of these pornstars or women that you claim. In fact, I don't believe you even more now. I believe that you're painting yourself as this character online that fucks a lot of women, but I wouldn't be surprised if you were actually a virgin or at least had very limited sexual experience. A man like you would be the ultimate playboy and would have no problem recording a sex tape documenting your "work" so to speak. A guy like you should be able to easily prove that's he's out here fucking, especially when it's easy for you to fuck hundreds of women. You don't even have to show your face or hers. Just show me the sex tape, hide yours faces, with your username Vegasrunner on a sheet of paper and the number that represents the girl you're with for that day, which should be 260 or so. Just send me a DM when you make the video and I promise I won't saying anything about you "distributing porn" or share it or anything. In fact, I would only sing your praises and completely admit that I was wrong about you. Until you do that, I believe that you're just living this high value fantasy and you're not actually not out here fucking anybody.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: I already explained why I'm not married yet. It's because we're choosing to wait for a little while for COVID-19 restrictions to blow over before getting married. I get that the virus is dying down now, but we want to do it when the pandemic is not going on anymore. I also explained in many ways how those things benefit men. You're just not paying attention or just refusing to listen. Marriage is only a bad idea for men with your mindset and for those that take the advice of Kevin Samuels. For men that actually express love, care, kindness, and loyalty towards their woman, and value long-term relationships and family structure, marriage is a great idea. You're not one of those men, so you don't understand. If you don't mind me asking, are your parents married? Are you close with your father? If not, then that can explain a lot about you. Both my parents, including several members of my family, are still happily married until this day. Me being a woman doesn't have anything to do with my opinion on your "strategy." In fact, it's not even that that I have an issue with. It's the fact that you seem to have a problem with me believing that women are better off with loving, caring, kind, and loyal men rather than men that take advice from another grown man on how to be "high value" and completely lack family values. As for Wilt Chamberlain, well, those women were probably thots and groupies that didn't want anything serious with him, just to fuck him, which I have no problem with.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner

"Limiting yourself from driving reduces the risk of being in a car crash, so should people walk everywhere? The same way people limited driving risk by using seatbelts people Tcan limit STD risk by wearing protection."

That's exactly my point. People wear seatbelts when driving because they're concerned about their wellbeing. Wearing seatbelts reduces the risk of putting themselves in a deadly situation should they crash. Similar logic involves wearing protection during sex.

"Furthermore as you mentioned, in a marriage a man takes all the risk as he is the one most likely to lose his children and be forced to pay child support and alimony, so not sure why you believe this is a good decision for any man."

A man ultimately reduces the risk of this happening by being a loving, caring, kind, and loyal person to his woman and expressing this with a woman that shares the same values. This is something that Kevin Samuels never taught. Why do you think that he was divorced twice in his life?

"So Much of your belief system seems to ignore facts, and focus on feelings. All KS did was create a platform where women could speak for themselves and in doing that he allowed them to highlight much of their delusion and hypocrisy."

My "belief system" is based upon common sense and logic that anybody can understand. Kevin Samuels created a platform that attracted a lot of disgruntled, virgin, and/or incel men along with women with low self-esteem that preached information to men that would only make their dating lives worse.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: That ultimately proves my point. Unwanted pregnancy is not good for a man's wellbeing. Therefore, men wear protection because they are concerned about their wellbeing, meaning that wellbeing is extremely important in relationships. I understand that you don't agree with what I prefer. However, my point is that the stuff that you believe and what Kevin Samuels is teaching you isn't good for YOU in the long run. Also, it's not about me receiving all the attention. It's about family stability and relationship health. For example, it's better to raise kids in a two-parent household than being a single parent having to rely on child support payments. The way that you think would only put more men into that situation, just like Kevin Samuels himself was in that situation, twice. Having a "main chick, side piece, and mistress" is exactly why men are often paying the child support and alimony that they do. That's not good for men at all, and I don't understand how you think otherwise.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made You made all these statements b4 they're delusional and standard. Of course you disagree, because as I said you dont understand relationships from both sides. Not even sure why you feel the need to respond bevause you're arguing about things that only you said. You're literally sharing your personal belief and attributing it to hypothetical men.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made It's odd your making this argument to me when you've never reached your relationship goals yet I reached mine almost 15 years ago. You can tell everything you need to know about a man by the women he can get, any man that settles for a women spewing these types of beliefs publicly isn't of value. If he was anyone important you would be bragging nonstop about him yet all we know is that he hasn't married you.
I've been w/ woman of almost every race, you've never been w/ any woman so why would anyone take your beliefs on women seriously? Look at you again trying to change the argument to something that ages you "feel" better, Statistically black women are the least married demographic in America. Sounds like he caught a break during covid, and actually is smart, if he's so great shoot me his contact info, I'd love to speak w/ him man to man so I could actually hear the truth as to why he doesn't want to marry you.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Lol, stop making me laugh. I tell you that less than 30% of men have procriated and you tell me that 60% of men are currently fathers? Again not sure why your contacting me, are you just looking to share irrelevant stats? Also the same father can have multiple mothers, which literally proves my 80% point and explains why so few men have procreated. Take your situation. If what you're saying is true you boyfriend can only make a baby w/ you, while I could make multiple babies everyday w/ numerous women. You've completely disproven your own theory w/ that statement. This isn't really debatable it's just math. Arguing it only makes you seem simple. By that logic every person that has able teacher wouldn't be a HV? I speak womanize so I can translate what you're saying for te readers. As you have already been taught the definition of hv man is that he is recognized as HV by other men of value. Your definition of a HV man isn't relevant as no man of value walks into a room of Alpha men and gets credit for what his girlfriend or mom think of him. Like most women you're looking at it from an enotional standpoint and any man that hurts your feelings must be attacked by your emotions because you're not experienced or intelligent enough to provide a factual argument.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made You're point was proven false from the start so doubling down on it does not help you. I do agree w/ what YOU prefer however what you were ask is how do these things benifit men. To date outside of humor your beliefs have 0 benifit to men. I am glad that you watch KS videos because I do believe that listening instead of speaking would help you out a great deal. Lol, KS learned that from me. I've said for years that the best way for a man to maintain sexual happiness is to keep a
1. Main chick - This can be a WAG
2. Sidepiece - My side piece needs to serve the role as a muse, but ultimately she should be the one that helps keep you inspired.
3. Mistress - I mean mistress in a sexual way as she should be the one you experiment w/ the most and if she's a good one she'll help you learn things that will help keep the others sexually satisfied. Again I understand why someone like you wouldn't like it but you've also failed at getting a HV man to committ to you so you probably aren't the best source for this information. GL to you.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: I made these statements before because they are factual and standard. I understand relationships perfectly from both sides. I come from a family of happily married couples, whereas I doubt that you are even close to your father or have happily married parents. I doubt it because I asked you this question, but didn't receive an answer. You don't understand how love works because you don't see it in your family on a daily basis. Your mom was probably the same type of side piece that you value in women as well, which would explain a lot. I am responding because YOU replied to MY opinion attempting to prove me wrong. Thus, I would reply to any attempt that you make. I would only stop replying if, one, you stop replying, two, you actually say something that makes sense and prove me wrong, or three, you send me that sex tape I asked for.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: I've reached my relationship goals. I've been committed for years thus far. You, on the other hand, don't have the character to be in a committed relationship. Staying committed and actually maintaining a relationship is difficult and not for the unwise. You simply don't have what it takes to commit, which is why you prefer (or desire) to fuck as many woman as possible, which is not only easy, but risky. Any man that actually values his wellbeing and family structure would definitely settle for a woman with my beliefs. Yet, not every man is man enough fit such a criteria. I know that I haven't been with a woman. I'm not a lesbian. Lol That's a weird argument to make. I don't have to have been a lesbian to make the points I'm making. However, I don't think you've actually been with a woman either. I'm still waiting on that sex tape. I would gladly give you my fiancee's contact information if you can provide that sex tape I was asking for. I swear that he would tell you every single thing I'm telling you. You have to understand that not every man in world thinks the way you do.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Yes, I literally showed you evidence proving that 60% of men are fathers with a link proving it. Yet, you just simply refuse to accept evidence that is right in front of you. If 60% of men are fathers, that means that at least 60% of men have had sex. This doesn't even include the men that have had sex without producing children yet either. Thus, it directly falsifies your "80% argument." I'm also not making that argument. It's not about who a man can make a baby with. It's the fact that if 60% of adult men are fathers, meaning that, at the very least, a similar percentage of women are mothers as well because the majority of women must have sex the majority of these to make children. That's basic logic. Thus, I didn't disprove anything of my own because what you're implying was not my statement in the first place. As for my definition of a "high value man," it's a man that is financially stable, physical attractive, sexually appealing, loving, caring, kind, and loyal. What KS considers a HVM is a man to avoid at all costs if you're a woman that wants something serious. I'm not looking at anything from an emotional perspective, but rather a logical one, and one with evidence. You refusing to accept the evidence is a form of being overly emotional, yet you call me delusional. lol

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: As I said, being loyal to a single woman benefits men in many ways. Firstly, it reduces the chances of contracting STDs. The more women you have sex with, the more likely you are to contract STDs, including those without a cure such as HIV/AIDS. Even though protection is good, it isn't foolproof and STDs are common in sexually promiscuous men. Secondly, it reduces the chances of unwanted pregnancies, resulting in child support. It is simply better for a man's wellbeing to keep the money that he earns rather than having to pay it because of child support. Several sexually promiscuous men have kids by multiple women and are paying them child support. Thirdly, it is great for family structure. With fathers present in the family, it can result in men raising their sons to be better overall and experience true love, care, kindness, and loyalty. Everything that you listed could be provided by a single woman as well.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made TBH I'm glad you believe that because your delusion benifits me. You understand relationships from both sides? How many woman have you approached in your life? I typically reply anytime I read something crazy simply to get an understanding of the type of person that would hold such beliefs. Listening to you I understand why you would hold so many obviously factually inaccurate beliefs.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made You're relationship goal was to be unmarried? You're making the mistake of believing my goals are yours. You're the one that is telling me how much you value marriage yet have yet to be deemed valuable enough for anyone to marry. I simply want to have the ability to bang as many women as I want and accomplished that almost 20 years ago and I wouldn't trade my life w/ any married man in the world. I'm aware not everyman thinks that way in fact most men think the way you are talking which is way 80% of men don't get women.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made I can also show you evidence that over a billion people have eaten at McDonald's it's just as relevant as your statement. If you have some evidence that contradicts my statement of less than 30% of men in the history of the world have reproduce then please share. If not I can only assume you are either illiterate or being intentionally dishonest. You don't get a say in what a HV man is. It is subjective amongst other men, if you actually had one you would know this. Women are always going to claim that a HV man is a man that has traits that they themselves are looking for, which is why KS gave the definition he did. You are only validating why his definition is accurate.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made I speak womanize
1. STD's are your main concern not a man's. Use a condom and go about your life, that concern doesn't benifit a man in any way.
2. Go get a vasectomy - that would eliminate any concern about kids.
A lot of times what you'll see is woman attempting to use scare and shame tactics to limits a man's access this is another example of that.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: You must be stupid or something. I keep telling you several times that we are planning on getting married as soon as the pandemic boils over in our location. Our marriage happening is guaranteed. I don't get how you don't understand that. If you want to fuck all the women you want, that's fine. Do you. As for me, I'm not interested in any "high-value man" that followed Kevin Samuels. Just as you desire to fuck several women as possible, I prefer to be in relationships with men that are loyal to me. Other women that have the same values as me are better off with these types of men as well. Any woman that values marriage, love, care, kindness, loyalty, and family structure does not benefit from dating a man that fits the definition of Kevin Samuels "high value man." The best women for that definition are sexual promiscuous ones that lack values. You keep bringing that "80%" statistic, but it's already been proved false, proving that you're delusional and simply believe what you want to believe, which is sad.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Yet, you don't have evidence that less than 30% of men in the history of world have procreated yourself. I, on the other hand, showed you statistics that more than 20% of men have had sex because 60% are fathers. It IS relevant because that directly proves that more than 20% of men have no problem getting women. You can't have kids without getting women unless you're a different species that can reproduce asexually. Yet, you simply refuse to accept the facts because you're projecting your delusional nature upon me. Being a "high value man" in general is subjective. I determine what it is based on what I value in men, which I have every right to do. Simply put, I don't find men that feel justified in cheating on me valuable, nor am I attracted to men that follow other men. To me, that's not valuable at all. For me, it has to be based upon more than how much money you make, as it has to involve your character as well.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: Anybody that is concerned with their wellbeing should be concerned about STDs. It doesn't matter if you're a man or woman. A man not having STDs simply because he feels the need to fuck every woman that moves benefits him. However, I can't help the fact that you refuse to accept that men benefit more from being in monogamous relationships. I am still very interested in seeing that sex tape, by the way. Like I said, you don't have to show your face or her face. Just simply give her some backshots or something with a sheet of paper on her back that has your username Vegasrunner and have her vouch for you or something. It can be like 15 seconds too. Just DM it to me. I at least want some sort of proof that you're out here being the true playboy that you claim to be and you're not living a fantasy like most Kevin Samuels fans. You also never answered my question. Are you close with your father and are your parents happily married?

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@Vegasrunner: To clarify why I desperately want that proof, I am not convinced that fans of Kevin Samuels are these big-time "high value men" that get all the women and live this playboy lifestyle. Within my experiences with typical Kevin Samuels followers, they are often men that struggle getting women, men that are 30+ year old virgins, men that underwent a harsh divorce or breakup, and/or men that have fantasies of being a big-time player when they're really not. More often than not, they are men that value the concept of being a "high-value man," but they lack the drive, ambition, and confidence to pursue that "high value." In brief, Kevin Samuels fans are typically losers that use his platform as a means to "get back" at the women that they could never get or were hurt by. I believe you are one of his supporters that have these playboy, high value man fantasies, but aren't really fucking like you say you are. If you were, you'd show me that sex tape that I'm asking for. I imagine that a man like you would be more than happy to show me how you're living and what you do regularly, and if you were really this high-value man that you truly claim you are, the woman would be more than happy to do it for you as well. Yet, I just don't believe you one bit. I think you're all talk, speaking like your typical 30+ year old virgin that can only get pussy in their imagination.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made That's because I operate in reality, and look at actions not words. You don't need to tell me you're "going to get married" just lmk when you're actually married. Yes, now you finally get it were both doing what comes naturally I'm just better at it than you. And I like that you're finally just being honest and admitting that your beliefs benifit women only.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Wait, you think saying that 60% of men today are fathers (a false number by the way) proves that less than 30% of man throughout history have procreated? Please share why you believe. Yes being a HV man is subjective, that's why KS definition is the best. If we left it up to woman they would simply say that any man that chose them is HV which is exactly what you're doing. Unfortunately men have to compete against men in this world to be successful and relying on a womans opinion is irrelevant.

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made Wear a rubber and move on that's like saying anyone concerned about getting in a crash shouldn't drive. Think about it you're asking me to accept something w/out any evidence. While I appreciate you're interest in my sex life as I've said b4 from talking w/ you, it does not sound like you're a person of character, and I would never put myself in a vulnerable position based on a woman's word. This is something you learn when you've been w/ a lot of women. Furthermore your interest contradicts your words, because if you really thought it was EZ for men to get sex you wouldn't need evidence of men having sex. Now if you really want to see a sex tape from me, send me some money and I'll get you a custom one, let's agree upon a number first, then you send half. Does that sound good?

[Vegasrunner]

@Tiffany_Taylor_Made That's more a result of you struggling w/ your own delusion. As I have stated many times, the majority of KS audience is women. (You hust keep ignoring this because it contridicts your feelings). Men are simply listening to women's words and then making decisions based on them. Because he got them talking most men can easily spot the delusion. This only proves how delusional you are. You're making up this imaginary audience becomes it's something you need to believe. Women do this a lot when faced w/ facts they don't like. For you it's easier to make up an imaginary archetype because it makes you feel better. Remember you claimed that it was EZ for men to get sex, so are you now saying it's difficult. Also notice how I take your imaginary engagement at face value yet, you require me to validate my life so you feel better. That tells me a lot about the type of man that has settled for you, if that man is even real.

[TenderFantasy]

EVERYONE has value. It's called Intrinsict value. So I don't agree with this. This is just a stupid and poor excuse for bad behavior! 1. I am not attracted to Jason Derulo so people or women can call him "cute" "handsome" "macho" and all the names for a sexy braun they could find, but I STILL would not date him. Besides, when I love, I love deep and I don't just go for looks. Sure that opens the door and helps a lot , but over all for me, I'm matured enough to know that personality is the one that lasts, not looks. So that just proves my point that looks are RELATIVE! 2. It takes two to have a baby. She didn't use protection for a reason so she should have NOT just blamed HIM for that. It's not FAIR to the guy. He just needs to pay child support if he doesn't want to be with Jenna (who ever she is) anymore, and be responsible, that's the LEAST he could do as a RESPONSIBLE man, if he is one! 3. Cheating is stupid. It is NEVER done out of love obviously so why not just BREAK UP? ! Are you THAT greedy that you need a lay for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and then Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you with a different chick? ! Come on. You're not DEALING with Candy or food or your favorite clothing/weekend hobby! You're DEALING with people and people have FEELINGS, VALUES and WORTH! ... But anyway, all this depends on if your partner is OKAY with having an OPEN RELATIONSHIP. Relationships are already complicated so... and unless you are having a traditional, monogamous marriage and or agreement between you guys, then well... it would be a hurtful thing for you and or you partner to HURT them in that way! You really need to know your partner and what they are okay with. If they are not okay with having more than one than you shouldn't be together. Cheating is form of LYING because often times, you're going behind the back of your partner when you are doing this. How do you think that goes for the TRUST that you have built in your relationship? ! TRUST, once broken, as they said, is hard to repair to with that, I say tread at your own risk!

Love really isn't about the cheating and there's all kinds as everyone knows. There's physical and then there's emotional/psychological. Both suck but that is why in life there's always a risk when getting into a relationship. Please KNOW who you're dealing with!

-Learned some stuff out there at 38 lol.

[Kiran_Yagami]

The men with the most amount of options are the most likely to cheat. This isn't rocket science. Men at the upper echelons of society have women throwing themselves at them left and right, women who are willing to share for the piece of the action. In such a situation, what incentive is there for a man to stay faithful? Women can leave their husbands for reasons as menial as "I just don't love him anymore", so why shouldn't men? Relationship expectations on both sides are basically that we use one another, women use men for resources and status, and men use women for sex. In such an arrangement, why wouldn't a man use as many as women as he desires if the access is there? There is no guarantee that his own faithfulness will be rewarded in kind, and women can leave their husbands at any time, in any place, for any reason, and expect divorce courts to reward them for it. In such a case, why shouldn't a man also get as much as he wants, whenever he wants, for whatever reason he wants as well?

[Minxxie]

High value is just about net worth or achievement. A truly high-value man has high levels of maturity and sexual discipline so he would never cheat.

If you just date a random rich and famous person... then yeah, you'll probably get cheated on.

https://www.tiktok.com/@byermeas/video/7063545330310286638?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1

Men like him are higher value than most celebrity men, let's be for real here.

[ShellyB]

I know people are not perfect and things could happen, in the case of celebrities I can imagine them traveling without their partner and having girls throw themselves at them which is a situation that makes mistakes more likely.

But, it should not be expected, maybe you know there is a risk, but you try to get through it together.

I am not a celebrity but I could easily cheat if I wanted to and I do not, I expect the same from any partner. If I did not have that expectation of somebody I would not commit to them. JMO!

[letuswaltzforthedead]

No, cheating is immoral. You can't dunk on women for having high body counts when you allow men to be just as promiscuous. High value men shouldn't be expected to cheat, it should be the opposite. Now that you ACTUALLY have the ability to cheat, you don't. Its unironic that its usually the redpill guys who think this way since it's the same guys who expect high value women who are hot and in their 20s to SETTLE DOWN and not have a home phrase. HVM should be expected to settle down just as much and, if anything, have loads of kids instead of hookups since they're so "genetically blessed" as you say.

[HighValue]

If the reason he is considered valuable to women is money, then he should cheat and do what he wants because the kinds of women that prioritize money are VERY common and can easily be replaced.

If he is high value because of his looks, morals, etc. and that is why she wants him then he shouldn't cheat because at least she values HIM and not his possessions/finances.

Any woman that values the man based on his money is a prostitute. (Majority of women are that way.)

And from what I have seen IRL, the woman in a relationship NEVER brings as much to a relationship as the man does. He is always higher value than her.

[ManOnFire]

If he's a "high value man" he wouldn't be cheating. Those men you're talking about are not high value men, they're high status men. There is a difference. A high value man is generally not going to be some wealthy celebrity who can attract tons of women.

A high value man will usually be what is called a "sigma" or "omega" male. And he is generally serious about having connections and relationships. He has a lot of money but you will never know it unless he tells you, because he doesn't live his life like a celebrity and doesn't care for buying expensive things or lots of things. He keeps his circle small and values loyalty in not just women but all others, and he typically has excellent qualities for being a father.

All these other so-called high value men you outlined are just circus acts.

[RiseofArtemis]

Use the term "high moral." "High value" is always going to be about looks and money nothing else.

[ManOnFire]

@RiseofArtemis No. It doesn't. Having real value is not equal to looks and money. Like I said, that's high status.

[Hypermotard1916]

WTF is high value,

are you a business man who rips the employees to get profits and fires when not needed.

Are you a politician who makes false promises.

Are you a celebrity who promotes western degeneracy for dame and money.

are you a sports person who promotes and supports whatever is said to them to look good in media

Are you a social media influencer who posts degenerate tiktoks.

f (off) to this high value, you all are fools to think that materialistic value is all, but remember that our ancestors had nothing but the will to do what they believed in, not afraid of uncertainty.

[Levin]

Well, surely you've just illustrated why defining high value in such narrow and materialistic terms is bogus.

Surely an inner cultivation, which includes being at least faithful, ffs, should be deemed to be of value.

There is a karma in these things. Order, in order to get with these men, it often requires ignoring much pathological, incongruent and self-absorbed behaviour. It takes two to tango, and women of discernment wouldn't get with these guys in the first place.

[acooke-13]

A HV man wouldn't cheat, that would make him LV. However, by HV you're meaning status, money, looks etc. I feel like it very much depends, there are PLENTY of HV/celebs that don't cheat, so I feel like it's not fair to say it should be expected. Cheating is common regardless of status, it's just the HV mens who's relationships are all over the media and the ones you hear about.

[TonightYouu]

That wouldn’t reduce his value at all because a lot of women would still want him

[Vegasrunner]

@acooke-13 Again like most women you're attempting to apply a female metric. A man w/ the ability to have multiple women makes him hv by definition. The "cheating" part is more your personal view.

[acooke-13]

@Vegasrunner You say again as if I've ever had a conversation with you about this. It absolutely doesn't, that's your personal view.

[Vegasrunner]

@acooke-13 Again as in I've spoken to thousands of women on this subject over the year, and you are doing the same thing they all do. Women love to reserve the right to claim that their "feeling" determine the truth. You "feel" as if cheating lowers a man's value when in all the evidence clearly shows you that's not true. You claim their are "plenty" of celebrities that don't cheat then name 3 make celebrities that have never been accused of cheating?

[acooke-13]

@Vegasrunner Now being accused and actually doing it are two different things, some of the following have been accused but proved it to not be true, the others just have never cheated; Ryan Reynolds, Robert Pattinson, Taylor Lautner, Zac Efron, Hugh Jackman, Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Jobs. Those are just a handful of random ones, all rich, some (in my opinion) good looking and some not so much. It does lower a mans value, not that I would ever have any chance, but I'm completely put off celebrities that have cheated on their partners/exs. It's the same for women, too.

[Vegasrunner]

@acooke-13 I don't know who Robert Pattison is but every single one of those men has had a cheating example attached to each of them. Ryan Reynolds had multiple well known ones so, those are not valid examples.

[acooke-13]

@Vegasrunner Like I said, being accused and the accusation being true is different. They are valid examples.. next?

[Vegasrunner]

@acooke-13 You can "say" anything however ignoring facts that you don't like only classifies you as delusional. This is why women don't really get a say in what a "hv" man is because they are going to use a personal emotional female metric and ignore facts they don't like.

[acooke-13]

@Vegasrunner Hahahaha, before you try to undermine me, get your punctuation right, basic English.. It seems like you spent more time trying to belittle women because they don't agree with your ideologies then at school, bad move. Also, delusional means "characterised by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument", none of what you said is/are facts or reality anyway (can potentially be rational because it's just your opinion), therefore your entire comment above is invalid.. Next

[Vegasrunner]

@acooke-13 I can certainly understand why you feel the need to just make things up when your argument has been disproven. Yes, your belief that a man spends his time and energy to become successful so he can settle for one woman isn't supported by facts, (evident by the fact that you have been unable to name one man in the history of the world that has done that) is a clear example of delusion. TY for proving my point.

[acooke-13]

@Vegasrunner You make me laugh. Don't try to argue with me if you do not read what I say carefully. Go back, re read.. Have a great day.

[Vegasrunner]

@acooke-13 Done. It was just as false and inaccurate the 2nd time.

[Lliam]

A cheater is low value.
People who think that HV means looks, wealth and social status are shallow.
High value people have ethics. High value men don't swing their dicks around because they don't have to do that to be respected.

[Asker]

Except HV when it comes to men are related to looks, wealth and status. Leonardo Dicaprio constantly dumps hot 20 year old at age 25 and yet never runs out. Jack Nicholson was constantly cheating on women and never ran out of high status, beautiful women that wanted to get into a relationship with him.

Cheating has no bearing on a male's ability to attract a mate or get into a relationship. Neither does amount of sexual partners. Women inherently don't care about ethics/morals of a man but of 3 main principles when determining his value. These 3 things are:

1. Looks (Face, height, race)
2. Money (available physical cash, credit, material possession)
3. Social status (how liked he is, how well respected he is, social connections)

It's a nice fairy tale of ethics and morals being of value in dating but this is not the case in the reality we are in.

[Lliam]

So you don't value ethics and morals. You think appetite is more important. Got it.
That's called low value.

[Asker]

Never said that. I'm just telling you the reality of dating.

[SeriouslyFunny00]

A high value man/woman does not cheat. That's all. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[bamesjond0069]

Sounds good but it's just a meaningless saying. It's like saying a high value woman doesn't age poorly and then you say to your wife "guess you weren't high value because you were hot at 20 but at 50 you're not holding up well, guess I chose a low value woman" the value is what's presented up front not what may come to pass or may not come to pass. This is different than body count though and she (like most women) prefer a man with a high body count. The issue is that BC is a clue to fidelity. She's not very bright if she thinks a high BC person will likely stay faithful. But time and time again women as a group prefer high BC men.

[TonightYouu]

A high value man has too many women who want him you know why Beyoncé didn’t leave jayZ because that wasn’t the first time he did that and it won’t be last she was just mad it got out

[Vegasrunner]

@bamesjond0069 Notice how trigging the cheating part is to women. This is what I mean by women live im delusion. They're attempting to creat a narrative that is palatable to them. They dont like cheating so they attempt to pretend that cheating lessens a man value, which is odd considering part of being a HV is the ability to jave options.

[SeriouslyFunny00]

Then, our perspectives on what makes a person "high value" varies. For me, a person's value does not depend on someone's appearance, wealth, fame, or accomplishment. A person with strong morals, sane mind, and a good heart is someone I consider "high value". Perhaps our perspectives on what makes a person valuable were just simply different.

[bamesjond0069]

High value is an economic term not a your opinion term. The marketplace determines value. Unfortunately for you most women's judgement doesn't in fact line up with yours. If most women prefer a rich cheater than that is high value whether you do or not.

[TonightYouu]

https://youtu.be/p_7nHwFeP3U

[SeriouslyFunny00]

The term "high value" is still a subjective concept as it is not defined in the dictionary as merely an economic term. We're talking about real relationships, and not Marketing.

And also, I understand if you have a different opinion than mine. No need to worry so much about my comment.

[TonightYouu]

It’s not subjective it’s economic you aren’t high value if you don’t have a higher quality of living

[bamesjond0069]

The term is "value" which is in the dictionary with various economic definitions. "High" is the description of how much value as opposed to say "low" as one example. Seems like 5th grade English but whatever.

Why do women always resort to nonsensical kindergarten arguments that they know are not true? The sky is blue... nuh uh not at sunset or nightime. Smh. So it's not blue ok? Either y'all got ill intentions or are on a small child's level. It must be one or the other.

[SeriouslyFunny00]

You're only taking it literally as an economic term. As what you have stated, there are "various" definitions, but not ALL of them are restricted for economic terms.

For example, this is one of the definitions I got from Oxford Languages:

"2. a person's principles or standards of behavior; one's judgment of what is important in life." there are economic terms and non-economic terms for the word 'value'. Gosh, do I really have to explain this? 🙄😂

[bamesjond0069]

Again I say "Why do women always resort to nonsensical kindergarten arguments?"

[SeriouslyFunny00]

And here you are sir, reacting to my comment and "nonsensical" replies like it's a serious matter.. 🙈

[HighValue]

A "High Value Man" isn't just based purely on his economic status. A 5' 2" man that makes over $100k will still NOT be high value to most women. A man that is unfaithful/promiscuous or uses drugs will still NOT be high value to a good woman. It is NOT purely based on monetary value.

[Vegasrunner]

@SeriouslyFunny00 That is because as a female you don't actually have to do something to garner attention from the opposite sex therefore you are able to hold a fairytale belief. Any man that is successful w/ women understand that you value is in what resources you can provide. No man has ever told another man look at that girl, she so hot because of her big heart.

[iminfunbegins]

It's often the other way around. An older, high value male gets a much younger, very pretty, trophy wife and even with viagra he's not stud enough for the young gold digger they go get those needs met by a guy their age. Checkout this one couple.

[LazerBean]

It's impossible for a high value man to be a cheat, since being a cheater would make them a man of negative value.

[bamesjond0069]

Sounds good but it's just a meaningless saying. It's like saying a high value woman doesn't age poorly and then you say to your wife "guess you weren't high value because you were hot at 20 but at 50 you're not holding up well, guess I chose a low value woman" the value is what's presented up front not what may come to pass or may not come to pass. This is different than body count though and she (like most women) prefer a man with a high body count. The issue is that BC is a clue to fidelity. She's not very bright if she thinks a high BC person will likely stay faithful. But time and time again women as a group prefer high BC men.

[LazerBean]

The value of a high value person is unchanging. You think that because your idea of what is valuable is actually worthless.

[bamesjond0069]

My idea is relevant to me and as a whole men choose whats valuable and women choose what's valuable. Women do not value fidelity from men generally. They might prefer it but for most women it's a nice to have not a mandatory.

[Vegasrunner]

@LazerBean That is false and falls under the delusion of women. A man's ability to be faithful has nothing to do w/ his value. If that was true you wouldn't be commenting on this post. Jason Durello has no less value because he cheats, he's doing exactly what a hv man is supposed to do. Perhaps you just haven't had the opportunity to be w/ a man of value?

[TonightYouu]

Do you think millions of women don’t want Adam Levine because he cheated THEY STILL DO his wife is well aware of that but she isn’t leaving him because he is high value and takes care of her and her children she’d be a fool to leave him
Cardi B made an entire song about offset cheating on her and SHE IS STILL WITH HIM high value men are a rare breed only a fool would give one up
The only high value man that probably doesn’t cheat is steph curry PROBABLY

[LazerBean]

LMAO Adam Levine has zero value. His money has value. There's a difference.

[TonightYouu]

https://youtu.be/p_7nHwFeP3U

[TonightYouu]

Zero value with Incredible Talent , Adoring fans, and Good looks

[Vegasrunner]

@LazerBean Ah, so now I see the issue if you believe that you simply don't understand the definition of value.

[LazerBean]

The only issue is that I know the difference between being valuable and having valuables while you do not.

[TonightYouu]

@LazerBean yet if you’re asked what do you bring to the table I 100% guarantee you will say something that any other woman can do so how are you valuable?

[BUTIMRIGHTTHO]

Let's remember that value is subjective.
If one specific case is subjective, we can say value is subjective.
Beauty (a kind of value) is at least one specific case.

Here's the problem @LazerBean is going deep while the rest
of you @Vegasrunner @bamesjond0069 tonightyouu are staying superficial.
My comment is of no structure by the way. I'm just saying what I wish to say.

@bamesjond0069 Body count is a result... Go DEEPER.

@Vegasrunner said this, "A man's ability to be faithful has nothing to do w/ his value."
He's wrong. Here's why.
Value is subjective. You cannot tell somebody what they will or won't value.
However, many women would hold that against him, making him LESS valuable. @TacosRAwesome for example.

@Vegasrunner @bamesjond0069 I think you don't have a deep understanding of value.
You believe it to be something very superficial aka the result
@LazerBean on the other hand said this,
"The only issue is that I know the difference between being valuable and having valuables while you do not."

And in that moment she mopped the floor with you @Vegasrunner 😂
She understands that money is the product of value.
You don't get millions until you are already successful
You don't get an A until you put in the work
You don't become an A student until you display self-discipline, drive, focus etc
You have to go deeper.
Money is great but what gets you the money and maintains the money is greater.
Example: lotto winners lose their money all the time. WHY? Because they have it on a superficial level and sometimes never get it on the deeper level. Same with weight loss people.

@seriouslyfunny00 is another example that yields credibility to my claims. @Vegasrunner You cannot deny the women's perspective. You cannot control the meaning of value or HVM.
Becuz value is very subjective.

[Vegasrunner]

@BUTIMRIGHTTHO You can certainly "believe" those things however the evidence doesn't support that POV. For starters if what you were saying is true the subject of the original post wouldn't be able to so easily replace the original woman. Also your point about " a woman's perspective is odd for multiple reasons. The most being that women in general chase successful men, so one one saying different on a public platform is simply a reflection of her personal opinion. Also believing that woman "value" men that cheat less, is false. If this were true, then why does every HV man that has publicly cheated always have another woman waiting to take the previous woman's place. If you don't believe that, then please name one HV man that has publicly cheated that has been unable to find a replacement women?

[BUTIMRIGHTTHO]

@Vegasrunner Value is subjective. Value is subjective. Value is subjective and so is "HVM"
That's 1 of my points and really my only point. If I make anything clear. I have to make that clear.

You said,
"The definition of a HV man is that other men of value recognize him as a man of value. You're attempting to apply a female metric to a make standard."

You said those exact words under TacosRAwesomes comment.
My point is nobody can control what someone else defines as valuable.
And that goes both ways. They cannot determine your opinion on what is valuable either.

@bamesjond0069
"High value is an economic term not a your opinion term. The marketplace determines value"
No bamesjond the meaning is in people. The meaning is in people and you know what these girls are talking about regardless of semantics. Regardless of semantics.

To be clear, my point is:
Value Is Subjective.
We do not all value the same things that we see in others nor do we value them to the same intensity.
Some girls value loyalty so intensely they will throw the whole man away if he cheats.
They will say he is a LVM.
I cannot argue with that because value is subjective
and so everything that springs from value is subjective.
HVM, LVM spring from the idea of value and so they must be subjective too.
Even the words High and Low are not concrete enough especially when you add the idea of intensity.
If one wants to say a lot of the women I have encountered still see Jason D as a high valued man, after cheating, then that is fine. But we cannot say someone is wrong because their opinion differs from others.

Like I said my comment has no structure and it's really multiple comments in one.
The points are not all related even if they seem like they were.

[Vegasrunner]

@BUTIMRIGHTTHO Now I understand your confusion.
1. Value isn't subjective, a person's opinion of value may be subjective but value isn't not. If it was we wouldn't have prices on goods and services.
2. That definition was coined by the late great Kevin Samuels and is widely accepted by men of female. It is important for discussions just like this because as you can see if left to their own device females will simply claim any man they are w/ is HV because he is w/ them which is called circular logic. Female metric means you're attempting to equate what a female deems valuable to what a man deems is valuable. Around a group of Alpha males cheating on your women is not something that will diminish a man's value.
3. Yes, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, however they are not entitled to their own set of facts one of which is that, you can't name a man w/ money, status and resources that doesn't have women. So while they can claim that a man cheating lessens his value they can't provide evidence to validate it.

[Haha456]

firstly, lets get this straight.

"high value men" don't cheat.

if your definition of a "high value man" is a guy who cheats on his wife, you have a huge problem with your values as a person.

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 Literally the only type of men w/ the ability to cheat are men of HV. Women just choose to live in this fairytale that believes that a man works his ass off to achieve so that he can settle for one woman. No man is going to do that, and all the examples including this one validate that.

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

Whats your definition of a high quality woman? A hot 18 yr old bimbo with huge tits and ass who cheats on you?

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

Low quality men like you see no value in human beings. You're incapable of love. You see relationships as a sale transaction.

Im not interested in being married to a guy who will dump or cheat on me once I hit 40. Just like how you're not interested in a woman who will ditch you once you run out of money buying her expensive handbags, spa trips and luxurious vacations.

[Haha456]

Im not interested in meaningless sex and money. I want something REAL. A meaningful forever lasting treasure of a relationship. Someone who can make me smile and laugh forever. Someone I cannot wait to see at the end of the day. Someone so fun to talk to that talking for 6 hours feels like only 1 hr had passed.

[RiseofArtemis]

High value men, means men with a huge bank who look good. Not those who have morals and integrity and generally have a good moral character. High value men have dozens of options and once they don't deem you attraktive enough they are done with you and will replace you with something younger and hotter. They don't care about family or children, only their own fun. Those are not good men to be around and are not going to be good for your mental health. High value men are what the arrogant modern women is, demanding and a headache.

High value men are arrogant and don't care about you a single bit. They only care about themselves and their money. A man that has dozens of women throwing themselves at him won't care about losing you and he won't accept any bitchy behavior; he will show you the door and say get the F out.

[Haha456]

@RiseofArtemis

would you be happy in a relationship with a woman who you know will abandon you once she you lose your wealth? or would you rather be with a woman who loves you for who you are and will never leave your side even if you are in a wheelchair?

which one makes you happier? which one has more value? sex or love?

[Haha456]

@RiseofArtemis

I would never ever date a guy who prioritizes my physical appearance above all else. Because it shows he's not a decent person. Decent people understand that there is more to life than just sex, money, drugs and looks. And if looks are so important to him, I'm not gonna trust him to be faithful to me when I lose my looks. Nobody looks the same forever. Including him. Even the hottest guy's looks will eventually fade. Why would anyone want to date someone who knows that she will ditch him if he ever loses his money? thats a very sad relationship and to be honest, I don't think there was ever any emotional attachment or love involved. Just prostitution under the disguise of a "relationship"

[RiseofArtemis]

For me its always going to be about love. I hate people who pursue relationships only with people who are rich and hot and for sex. A man is going to keep a woman who believed in him and stayed by his side through thick and thin. When a woman stays with you at your lowest that means she really cares about you. That's what I want. A woman who only dates rich men doesn't love them and should not expect them to be loyal as they were not part of the mans life that made him rich. >A rich man isn't going to chance his character for a woman.

If women want to have a happy relationship they shouldn't wait at the finish line, they should go with the man on his journey and support him because that's what makes a strong relationship and a happy marriage. Pursue relationships at 20 and build them up with the person you believe can become rich, that's what we should do.

A man who knows he has a woman at his side that will want a family with him will push through a lot to come out on top of all and make her happy.

[Haha456]

@RiseofArtemis

love doesn't come at a certain age. you can find love any time in life. the person you are in love with at 20 will not necessarily be a person who is right for you by the time you hit 45. But there are certainly indecent people at any age. I have seen old, perverted men who only date girls who are around their daughter's age. I have seen women who only go on dates so they can use men for their money. These aren't decent people with good values.

And honestly, I don't think any of them are genuinely happy and fulfilled when they do get into these types of fake relationships. They're just filling in a missing sex or money addiction.

[Haha456]

@RiseofArtemis

Its pretty sick how its always the woman who is expected to support the man in his dreams. But the man never has to support the woman on her dreams. This type of sexist patriarchal mindset is what makes me sick. Marriage is about two people equally supporting each other's dreams no matter what.

[RiseofArtemis]

You need to understand that we still and always will think in our natural role. Women are expected by nature to tend the family because women are the ones who naturally nurse the babies and men are expected to hunt and bring food. Money, modern society, forced diversity quotas will never change our natural brain. What are you going to do once the economy is dead or a huge natural Katastrophy hits leaving you with nothing and nothing can help you? Our modern laws do nothing more than hurt the natural role of both genders. Women can only go to work because our modern society has created so many laws and rules to help them if they have children.

Its not sexist for men to be the breadwinner or the women to have to support the man in his dreams, if women didn't push men to go always further in what they do we'd probably still be living in grass huts.

Our society will collapse in a few years again and then women will again only tend the family as there are not going to be any laws and men will be the only ones bringing food home because that's our natural law. We will never be able to change that and probably shouldn't if we want everyone to be happy.

[Haha456]

@RiseofArtemis

I think you are sexist. Because reality is, vast majority of WIVES DO WORK. And our society is still functioning pretty well with wives working. Housewives are outdated and unaffordable.

Reality is, MOST WOMEN OUT THERE DO NOT WANT TO BE HOUSEWIVES.

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 That's a good question. I don't know if a "high quality" woman is a thing. Woman are valued on youth and beauty, so the most valuable ones would be younger pretty. If you're asking me my preference, I prefer woman around age 28- 33 because IME that's when women reach their sexual peak.

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

too bad you don't have any wealth or beauty.

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 Sounds like you need to spend more time in the real world, and that would help you address your fears. I see value in everyone in fact a big part of my work is educating young student athletes on how to maximize their value, so I don't believe anyone that knows me personally would agree w/ you. It's unfortunate that you are fearful of being cheated on but that's your problem not mine. I'm not concerned w/ any woman "ditching" me for running out of money mostly because. I don't spend my money buying women handbags or taking them on expensive trips. That's just something you've picked up from too any rap videos. Secondly I understand that there are millions of women out there that would give their right arm to be w/ me I know because I meet them daily, so I tell all my girls you're free to go at anytime because another one will take their place. It's the abundance mentality that HV men have.

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 Yes, you tend to say that whenever you're argument is destroyed. It's obvious a strange statement, however it shows how women will just spew things from an emotional standpoint regardless of the facts.

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

you're gonna be a saggy wrinkly old man with no money or looks within 10 years. go ahead and continue your pride.

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 TY, for sharing that enotionaly charged opinion. Do you feel sufficiently heard?

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

its quite hilarious you keep repeating that men grow in value as their bank account grows. YET your bank account has very little money. hahaha

give up your pride. at the end of the day, you're just an ugly old man getting wrinklier, saggier by the day with a tiny bit of money in his bank account

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 TY for sharing that odd rant. Different women respond differently to being faced w/ difficult truths so I can understand your frustration.

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

maybe if you could actually get a woman 20 years younger, you wouldn't be so bitter on here

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 Yes, you say that to a lot of people, it's just as odd of a statement now as it is when you say it to others. I'm sure making up random out of context points helps you deal w/ your overall life failures so I understand your need to do it.

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

I can easily see you've lived an entire life of pain being rejected by women. Now that you're old, you're more undesirable than ever before.

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 Lol,, I'm sure you do believe that. You've been wrong about pretty much everything else you believe, why not validate your ignorance more. I really hope you get the help you need.

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

you dedicate your life to talking shit about women online. clearly only a very sad bitter angry person would do that.

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 If you have evidence if me "talking shit about women online" please share. So are you saying you're a bitter angry person for dedicated your life for talking shit about men online?

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

you seem obsessed with shitting on women with their age. its your way of seeking revenge on all the women who rejected you when you were younger. Im sorry to say. At your age, your desirability doesn't get any better.

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 So to be clear you can't provide one example of me "shitting on women" If you're willing to lie about that should we assume you're lying about everything else you say?

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 Why do you think you have been unable to acquire this "meaningful" relationship you seek?

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

you're not on GAG for legitimate, intellectual discussions of any sort. You just want a place to spread your hate and misogyny for women. If you want my honest opinion of you, you're just a hateful, bitter, jaded perverted old man with no life.

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 I engage in intellectual discussion on a daily basis, however based on what you have shared it would be difficult to categorize you as an intellectual, you dont own a college degree. I don't recall asking for your opinion on any subject however if you could provide any evidence of me "shifting on women" I would be interested in looking at it.

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

I"ve known you for a long time on here. You are just on here to spread your chauvanistic and misogyny. because you know the real world would reject you for holding such views. so this is the only place where you can spew your hate.

quite funny how you complain about feminists hating men but YET you're a woman hater.

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

I can also tell you don't have a social life

[Vegasrunner]

@Haha456 LOL, typically a lie works better when you aren't telling it to the person you're lying about. No you don't know me we've never met and it's very creepy that you would pretend we have. This highlights once again how strong female delusion can be. I hope you get the help you need.

[Vegasrunner]

@Haha456 Yes, I'm sure that's something you need to believe. A bit ironic though considering you're literally on this same site crying daily. So are you saying you don't have a social life?

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

I think you're the one who is doing all the crying not me. I don't feel the need to shit on others all day. You do. That is your specialty.

You're one of society's rejects. why do you think women reject you so much?

[Vegasrunner]

@Haha456 That is certainly something you are willing to believe, however the evidence shows contrary. You belief that woman "reject me so much is not only unfounded but validates your willingness to spew false claims"

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

you've been on here for years. you've never said anything positive about women thus far. everyone knows you're society's reject

[Vegasrunner]

@Haha456 I wish I've been on here for years as GAG is a great source of information. I think the most important takeaway is to understand why it is so important to you to believe these things. Few men get the opportunity to visualize women's delusions in real time, so I'm thankful people like yourself choose to put it in writing. Ty for sharing.

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

Maybe if you were born less ugly, you wouldn't be the bitter angry old reject that you are now

[Vegasrunner]

@Haha456 TY for sharing those odd words person I have never met. I certainly hope you get the help you need.

[Haha456]

@Vegasrunner

who needs help? someone who hates on women all day online or someone who doesn't?

[Vegasrunner]

@haha456 You definitely need professional help, as your frustration and failures are evident in your comments. So Much so that, you essentially vomit up the same nonsense everytime. You do a good job of validating what I tell men about women's behavior when faced w/ uncomfortable truths. Instead of bettering yourself, you resort to what I coined the 3 E's..
1. Exceptions - Not all
2. Equality - Men do it too
3. Emotion - You're bitter.
Once a man understands this he will increase his ability to get woman. You do an excellent job of highlighting these traits. TY.

[Quigly]

Intelligent women know, HVM and cheater are Oxymorons.

I think you are referring to bankster culture.

Bankster culture is filled with fraud

There is no such thing as a real relationship in Bankster culture.

Money itself is fiat (Fake) It is not attached to anything of real value.

any relationship built upon the foundation of money is a fake relationship.

[richgentlem4n]

As a member of the affluent community, I disagree with this. Men with high value have morality; morally corrupt behavior diminishes one's worth. Rich individuals evaluate other rich people on the basis of their dignity. Even if they own large shares, I don't trust reckless people because their past interactions and relationships will reflect their professional ethics, I typically do this on my business.

[Summeroflove]

If someone is a high value male LMAO... Whatever that means. Then he won't cheat on her. A high value man would only be with a high value female and vice versa!!!