I couldn’t even choose “No it’s dishonest” because if any woman who does that (and I know it happens) it would be the most unethical, and immoral betrayal of her husband, EVER! To violate your husband in that way and obtain fraudulent consent for sex… That’s RAPE! If he knew she was off birth control, he would NEVER have consented to sex, and even if he did, it would not be informed consent, so he could have pulled out! That is the biggest betrayal any wife could engage in. She is completely violating her vows, his trust, and his human rights.
That is a superb question that has evolved with the development of birth control. Genesis tells us that God's wishes are for us to remain naked and copulate to populate. later on the old testament we hear that a wife's duty to her new family was to deliver many children, the family's strength was in its number. Catholicism seems to have built on that. There also is stated that the only sex that is without sin is sex that ends with an unprotected penis delivering ejaculate into an unprotected vagina. It was not until the average couple could exert some degree of control over finances that controlling the number of births became an issue. At first the problem was feeding the family. but as the family became more affluent, maintaining financial status became more important than having more children than one could educate and feed. The options were evident through the Roaring 20's. If the wife is fertile then pay someone to deliver the pleasure, and let any pregnancy be a work expense for them. Birth control was on it's way. Condoms and a new Pill showed up to help reduce the desire to look elsewhere for fulfillment. So we arrive at a point where the decision is ours. That puts the question to a matter of trust. I know of situations where women have stopped taking the pill in secrecy and gotten pregnant because they wanted a child. It used to be a common ploy to force a male into marriage. In my experience, those relationships don't last because they are built on mistrust. Don't be surprised to see the divorce papers on their way.
u Most people's deas about marriage revolve around partnership, having common goals, and making important decisions together. If she wants more kids and he doesn't, she should accept his decision or leave him.
Nah but that's kind of on him like he shouldn't be having unprotected sex if he doesn't want anymore kids regardless of if she's on birth control or not
NO... That's entrapment, discerning, dishonest , betrayal of compression disrespect , selfish , contention... just to name a few I get your point , but she also new he wasn't on any contrceptive. This shows her I'll intention to trap I agree us men must be responsible too , but very really do you ever here of actual baby trap coming from men.
@Djaay eh nah baby trapping from men is pretty common too. I hear stories about that all the time being military. a lot of guys will get their girls pregnant before deployments so they can't leave them while they're gone.
And yeah I feel the same about it either way for both genders. If someone doesn't wanna risk pregnancy then don't have sex. It's as simple as that
What if the shoe was on the other foot. The married couple used condoms as a contraceptive because the wife doesn't want anymore children but the husband does so he lies about having one on. Would she be to blame for getting pregnant for trusting her partner and not using birth control while they both agreed they would be using condoms?
Funny how a military guy would have even think they're women would leave them when they're gone... But I do know that very answer. Sure is interesting how quick a woman makes up her mind , even more interesting is the reason why. Bc women only stay emotionally as long as that may last and never actually commit...
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Hell NO! That would be totally dishonest, and probably break up the marriage, which would do unknown harm to the child. Having kids is not what the parents want, it's what the new child brings to the world.
Blatant dishonest and long-term relational distrust. This ought to be a lovely environment for all the children. Who thinks this would be a good idea.
No. She should not do such things to her husband. If he doesn’t want kids or her they should both sit down and talk about it and convince each other about points and make it work out somehow. This exact problem happening with my uncle. His wife got pregnant with their first baby after marrige then she lost it. Then got pregnant again and had a boy & right after that she got pregnant with her second baby and now she just gave birth to their new daughter. They’re suffering financially now and he has to get extra work to support and still she wants to have more and they’re always fighting and complaining about it. Some women think from their ass instead of their brain.
it doesn't really matter if she does. because truth is, in marriage you're supposed to compromise with your spouse even if it means you lose what you want.
i was talking to my uber driver who was a 64 yr old senior citizen who said he and his wife are now retired and owned a very expensive home in new york city which was passed down from his wife's dead father. he desperately wanted to move down to florida to spend the rest of his life vacationing there. But his wife refused because she didn't want to sell the house her father gave her. it was the only memory that she had left of him.
he ended up compromising by giving up his dream to live in florida.
marriage is all about compromise. you both make decisions as a couple, not as 1 person
The question is about something, and you are talking about another thing.
Well hopefully a compromise would be live in NYC and go to Florida for the winter if you're retired or can do that.
@coachTanthony
the plan was to sell the house for a million dollars so they can rent a property down in florida. its a more financially economical decision. Remember they are retirees, they do not have steady income.
Keep the house and live in Florida for 3 months a year. Retirees living in a house that is already paid for should have enough money to do that I would imagine.
@coachTanthony
they didn't pay for it. it was his wife's dead father that bought the house.
its expensive to maintain a home in nyc and also pay 3 months rent a year in florida. not to mention the airfare, car rentals that they would need in florida. they don't have a steady income.
You could rent the house out for a year still pay the mortgage and go travel at the very least. Many things you can do but sounds like to me it's all one sided. My way or the highway. hell you would probably make money on the deal. But whatever it is what it is.
@coachTanthony
not everyone feels comfortable renting their homes out. what if someone trashes their house? retirees do not have the income to refix their home. what if their things get stolen? retirees don't have the money to replace things as easily as you. if you have lived in a house for 50 years, you will have a very big attachment to that house.
renting out a house is a lot of work. you need to stay in new york to FIND people to live in your home! you can't just lay around in florida and have people coming in and out of your house turning it into a drug den. When renters leave, you need to find new people to live there.
its a job. you can't just be a million miles away
@coachTanthony
hiring a management company is expensive. the fees are high and take away a huge chunk of your profits. you will need to pay this high management fee even if there are no tenants living there. as a retiree, you're looking for stability, not more expenses or problems.
@coachTanthony
when you get old, you are looking for stability, not risky deals. if there's nobody living in your house in nyc, you still have to pay that expensive management fee, you're really just losing money in the long run. especially in nyc where rents are sky high and renters get evicted very often cuz its too expensive.
[If that is the case then no way are they capable of even selling the house in NY and finding something else in Florida.. ]
it sounds like you only care about what men want, never about what women want.
the explanation of why they won't sell the house was listed a long time ago. and i believe you have read it. you just don't care cuz its the wife's preference.
the price of management fees vary based on location. new york city is much more expensive than your tiny little town. rent here on average is 3000-5000 dollars split between 2 to 3 roommates. even with room-mating in nyc, it is 1000 dollars at the lowest.
how is an elderly couple WITH NO INCOME supposed to pay that monthly fee in months were there are no tenants? tenants in nyc get EVICTED all the time for not being able to pay the sky high rent
@shaysh87 Chicago, Dallas and Miami are just as expensive nice try though. I know what I'm talking about. Like I said if you have no income and are sitting on a million dollars then sell the house and get some income. 2500 a month in SSI is not a very good living in NYC. They should stop worrying about some dumb house and sell it to make a better life for themselves. So forget his dream of living in Florida. Sell the house and move somewhere you can afford at this point.
No that’s disgusting. This is why many fathers don’t pay child support or are even in the child’s life. There are tons of cases of the woman getting herself pregnant, unbeknownst towards her husband or boyfriend. Many of the times, the woman KNOWs he doesn’t want kids. Then, when she has the kid, YEET he is gone! And she is sitting there whining her ass off wondering why he isn’t around. Ladies, y’all play yourselves when y’all do that type of shit😂😂😂😂😂
Am I talking about men that don’t use protection? Im talking about men who are married or in a relationship with someone, who clearly knows he doesn’t want children, and she uses birth control or has an IUD, and decides to remove the IUD or stop talking birth control without him knowing. There is also a thing girls do when they take the used condom, and they try to put the semen inside of them…. Sooooooo yeah lol
Also, do you rlly think men who are married or in a serious relationship are gonna use a condom? No. Usually their female significant other is on birth control.
I think it’s disgusting how women try to trap their man.
[Also, do you rlly think men who are married or in a serious relationship are gonna use a condom? No. Usually their female significant other is on birth control.]
there are plenty of women who refuse to take birth control since its bad for health. quit looking for excuses for men abandoning their offspring.
sex isn't a sport. it has real consequences. condoms don't always work. birth control doesn't always work. if you're planning on fucking everyday, don't be surprised if a baby pops out sooner or later.
entitled men would fuck all day , can't put their dicks away but then they ghost after any sign of responsibility shows up.
@Brittanyroseee the studies have shown, there are more deadbeat single moms, than deadbeat single dads.
@Dorian451
because its legal for men to walk away from their children. men use women for sex all the time and never end up taking responsibility
Lmfao you are still ignoring the fact that women do trap men
Oh i know contraceptive don’t always work. My point is, women will literally secretly stop taking it, to get pregnant ON PURPOSE by her man….
@Brittanyroseee
there is no such thing as sex all day and no baby.
if you want to have sex, you need to expect children.
plenty of guys use girls for sex then disappear when a baby comes up.
this itself is unethical.
you can't just enjoy sex but not care about the consequences.
i don't give a shit if she "trapped you". there is no such thing as "trapping you" if you can't get your dick out of her pussy.
LMFAO. “There is no such thing as trapping” yes there is. Girls will literally stop taking birth control, or get their UID out without her boyfriend/husband knowing, so she can get pregnant 😂are you this dense?
Girls use men for sex too😂😂😂it goes both ways how idiotic are you?
“Don’t have sex then” ok go tell that to a married couple who has decided they NEVER want children. I bet you are pro fucking life
You know what should be legal? Abortion should be fully legal in all 50 states and men shouldn’t be forced to pay child support.
Again, there are cases of women getting pregnant on purpose to trap the man they are with. They will stop taking birth control unbeknownst to him. Stop denying the fact that females do this shit
Such a dumb ignorant bitch you are😂
Its the same as men poking a hole through the condom to get the girl pregnant. It goes both ways. Both genders do this…
@Brittanyroseee
you don't have the right to get free sex , stick your dick up a million pussies and expect no baby ok?
you sound like an entitled twat.
have sex a million times in your lifetime but expect no baby
doesn't work that way ok? entitled little brat?
Im a woman. Im on birth control so I don’t get pregnant. I never want kids. If my birth control failed, it would be aborted just letting you know lol
You are literally defending women who purposely quit taking birth control so they can get pregnant by their man…
She shouldn’t. As far as I understand, marriages don’t/shouldn’t function that way. It causes mistrust and dysfunction…they are out there.
But I have heard more from those who said…the wife wants another and another. Or the husband wants more.
I think it was California (but I might be wrong) that tried (possibly successfully) a few years ago to make removing a condom during sex a crime; if you're going to do THAT, you really need go both ways with it.
hmmm interesting.
No. But if he can’t trust his spouse why is he married to her? Follow up questions would be if he doesn’t want more kids why doesn’t he use protection or get a vasectomy? Tell his wife he doesn’t want to risk having more and then get a simple procedure done to circumvent having another child. Or simply putting on a condom
Many couples just wing it. Not everyone goes to that extreme of getting a vasectomy.
When your wife has been on the pill and it's been working this long most men don't say stop taking the pill let me go get my nuts neutered. They just keep living, going to work etc. Only reason they would do that is if they did think their wife is a nut job and would do it on purpose.
That discussion needs to be had. I know many women who do just fine with the pill. If it's like what you are saying she needs to bring it up and they decide as a couple what to do next. No guy is going to just assume anything like that.
Yeah there’s a discussion involved obviously. Now it could be a my friend group/environment I was raised thing but when they’re done having kids he’s the one that steps up and offers that because he cares about the hormonal imbalance.
And just because many women do fine on it doesn’t mean it’s good for long term use and doesn’t ware on the body.
Well if he is smart he gets snipped either way. Many women won't complain or choose not to mention the side effects to the guy. Guys don't know any of this so it's up to the woman to make sure he does so he can make a good decision. Most men who do know probably know because they have had the conversation many times over with their wife.
Or you know they’ve educated themselves on it to have a full understanding of what it does to the human body. And women don’t mention side effects or complain because they get shot down. I find it funny that men experienced the same side effects during the male birth control trials that women do but make birth control got the axe because they couldn’t handle the side effects.
We don't want the side effects big difference. We can handle them just fine. Women can also say no if they experience side effects.
Yeah no many couldn’t handle the side effects. Hormonal imbalances, depression, suicidal thoughts, mania. No one wants side effects we’re just conditioned to accept them as part of life. So yeah men couldn’t handle the side effects the male birth control brought on. And yes women can say no to birth control, but then you’ve got the dudes that don’t want to wear a condom during sex; and then their consequence is no sex that they pout over or bitch about.
LOL okay
No, she shouldn't. She needs to respect her husband and understand that he doesn't want any more babies. Doing so is against his limitations and boundaries.
that's really dishonest as hell and women do it all the time anyway. What's even worse is when they stop taking their birth control and they get pregnant by the guy that they're seeing on the side and try and pass it off as the husband's kid usually successfully. The husband gets to pay for another man's kid.
If he doesn't want kids he could always cover up. That's what my ex did. These days, condoms are SOO thin, you could hardly feel that they are there!
And no, doing what you are suggesting would lead to resentment (obviously), but it may or may not be short lived because everyone thinks kids are cute, especially their own. And they don't STAY kids, they grow up fast! Who could ever regret making life? !
Absolutely not.
That’s a massive recipe for disaster.
there’s always going to be a level of animosity.
Sounds like the worst idea ever.
She's being dishonest to her husband, is just as bad as a man taking off his condom during sex without her knowing.
She will end up ruining her marriage, her husband life, and the poor child who she has brought to the world.
No that is dishonest. This is why we need to red pill more men before they become a victim of this kind of shit.
Kids are a huge responsibility and they coat boatloads of cash. There is a tremendous investment in time as well. Some people like to raise their kids and then do something else with their lives.
Dishonesty is never acceptable.. Glad to see most people voted the same.
It proves nothing. They downvoted you because they hate me. You must not know who I am lol
Oh I both know and respect you. If they hate you that's their failure.
Trolls use to downvote my opinions now they are downvoting everyone on my post. Just an FYI
Lol nice. Well it's good to know I'm not the only one that attracts the ire of trolls.
Great idea, but plot twist: it won't ever work because he got a vasectomy last year without telling her!
It’s not just husband and wife is boyfriend and girlfriend too. I mean if you don’t want kids or more kids then wrap that thing.
The topic of kids should always be brought up as a condition for marriage.
The husband should not be financially liable for the kids in the fall out if this happened.
If the husband wants no more kids, he should stop fucking her. Whether the wife takes the pill or not, it’d make quite slim difference.
No, it's disrespectful to disregard the wishes of your partner and go get pregnant without his knowledge
Ya, that is a MAJOR breach of trust! In my opinion, potential grounds for divorce.
How would he even know?
Well, if they had agreed no more and she STILL got pregnant. This happened yo a friend of mine... twice!
Happened to a friend of mine as well.
Twice?
Oh wow.
She can that’s up to her, but he then has every right to divorce her and leave.
He should leave her. That’s so manipulative. If I were that man I’d rather put up with paying child support than be forced to father yet another brat, because the c-nt says so. She can pop out more brats from other 🍆’s on her own. She can ruin her body more on her own.
F—K THATTTTT. 🖕
He already have overpopulation. He don’t need these insane c-nts bringing forth more brats for the man to pay for. They think money grows from trees.
If the couple is married is up to the wife how much she wants but with a limit.. of Benjamins 💸 !
if they can afford up to 4 then have 4 if not that’s stupid
Just like those Christians that have 10 kids and can’t afford anything for them at all that’s abusive..
Husband should just get a vasectomy and wear condoms. Sure, neither method is 100% effective and vasectomy sometimes fixes itself, but it's better than being entrapped.
Oh I can tell you from experience seeing other couples do this, the BEST thing you can do for your marriage is do something behind your spouse’s back that results in a huge financial sacrifice and sacrifice of time and energy. The couples I know who have done this always end up divorced….. plus months of custody battles (yay)
If a man wants more kids and his wife doesn't should he start poking holes in the condoms?
I would hope when you get married you can just ditch the condoms but I hear ya lol
No, thats chicken shit. Kids are a huge commitment- mentally, physically, financially and emotionally. I have as many kids as those limits would allow. If my wife tricked me into exceeding my limitations for her own desire- nah, thats shit.
If a husband wants more kids and his wife doesn't, should he remove his condom and try to get her pregnant without her knowledge?
The sad thing is that when the guy does it, it's considered rape, but not when she does it. That's obviously sexism but most people don't recognize it as such.
Lol. One girl im arguing with on this thread, told me there is no such thing as a woman trapping a man😂😂😂
She like is defending the fact that women will purposely stop taking birth control to get pregnant
@Brittanyroseee I know who you're talking about. She's one of the biggest man-hating trolls in GAG history.
That's a quick way to make the divorce lawyers very happy. It'll make them one step closer to getting their Ferrari.
https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Divorce_Lawyer/Salary
Well that didn't take long
Women do this when they are just banging Chad. There is no excuse for "unexpected" pregnancy these days.
The guy should get a veasectomy and not tell her imho lol,,,
I think getting pregnant behind your partner's back without considering their feelings is wrong, they should compromise instead
compromise how?
it's kinda bad going behind your boy toy's back like that... you should thoroughly discuss it and if he STILL says NO, persuading him by getting in his pants always works *hair flip*
No. Once I've had all the kids the future spouse and i agreed to, i’d prob get my tubes tied and he’d prob get snipped
That level of deceit should be unacceptable.
I’ve heard stories women doing this. It’s disgusting they think that’s ok to do.
If she does this, then it is grounds for divorce.
(Sorry! Just my opinion!)
If she wants kids & he doesn’t he should secretly have a vasectomy & if she gets pregnant down the road he’ll know she is cheating.
If she wants to get pregnant,, and he doesn't want to do his husbandly duty, he may already be cheating on her. So, why can't she cheat on him with her F#*k Buddy and he makes her pregnant, why should the husband care at this point?
She should definitely do that if she wants to be a single mother.
It's dishonest but in 99% of so called contraception failures this is what happened
Whether she should or should not is not relevant because the fact is she will.
This sounds same as that old abortion question.
Does man has any right to decide if wife should get abortion or not?
That's not dishonest. That's rape.
Nope. My mom did this. Couldn’t believe it tbh, lost some respect when I found that out.
That's way worse than just being "dishonest", way worse than just "entrapment".
No, that’s not OK
Yes I would because it will be a problem most definitely
maybe he should get a vasectomy
It’s my sperm, my decision
No because that's how you get divorced.
No! That’s awful
No, forcing kids on someone is completely wrong.
I won't be with such woman.
sounds like fraud to me 🤔
I would nut in her then :P
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