How does women’s economic independence affect their roles in marriage?

[Anonymous]

Traditional gender roles are constantly evolving. But do financial expectations from men still dominate in relationships?

[MrOracle]

There are a small percentage of exceptions, but for the majority of women, being economically independent tends to equate to being undateable.

The problem is hypergamy - women's desire to always want something better.

In the past, the vast majority of women earned less money than most men. In this situation, most women could attract a man who she could see as better, while still having realistic expectations, which meant that most people could be in a relationship.

Feminism has taught women NOT to be women, but to become the man she wants to date. Women voted for special treatment to "level the field" (but only for safe, comfortable, high-paying office jobs, not for infrastructure jobs or anything else dirty, dangerous, or uncomfortable (nursing being the exception), which came at the expense of men, as did the overall dilution of the workforce by nearly doubling the amount of workers. That's why you need a two-earner household to afford anything today. But, women STILL expect the man to be the provider and still want him to be better than she is. And then, should she actually get such a man, she expects to be "equals" even though by her own standards he had to be better than her in nearly every way. None of that makes any sense, and it's not feasible, which is why so many women can't find a man. Every woman wants a man who is at LEAST a 9/10, even if she is a 6/10 or even a 3/10. But 9/10 men are RARE, and the vast majority of women don't qualify for them.

The real confusion comes from the fact that a 4/10 woman can - sometimes - sleep with a 9/10 man. Then she assumes that she must therefore be a 9/10 woman, deserving 9/10 treatment and outcomes. But who a woman can have sex with means NOTHING - a woman's value is determined by the value of the man who will COMMIT to her. Men will go WAY down the value scale for casual, convenient sex, but that doesn't mean he would ever commit to that woman.

Feminism encourages women to have insane expectations because feminism doesn't want male-female relationships AT ALL, and will thus encourage anything that undermines such relationships.

If a woman ever says or behaves as if she doesn't need a man, men almost universally disqualify her from being "relationship material." Most won't actually tell the woman this - he'll just move her down the value scale from "potential relationship" to "for recreational use only."

[Summeroflove]

Well every relationship is different but I would be aware of someone wanting to be too controlling and not offering any protections to the woman. At the end of the day some “traditional” marriages fail and without some sort of financial independence you could be homeless, stuck with the kids, and years of no work experience and/or education making you start all over again. Later in life and with kids.

This type of marriage isn’t wrong but there should be financial protections by both spouses even a prenup. Most people don’t get married planning to divorce but it’s messy when it happens. So that both people can rest assured you have one another’s best intentions at heart.

I understand that men are worried about being divorced and having a woman take him for all he’s got for stuff she’s never worked for. At the same time the woman’s perspective of not wanting to be homeless without any income. Meaning you sign agreements to one another. Things such as alimony and who will take what ensuring both people are protected should anything happnen.

It’s a issue if someone only wants protections for themselves.

[Summeroflove]

Another issue with traditional marriages for those who do it right. If the woman’s managing the money. Budgeting. Taking care of all the bills and taxes and everything else.

Then both people are controlling the flow of money. Now there are women who blow their husbands money. There are men who never want their wife getting anything.

[Summeroflove]

People who love one another genuinely don’t feel the need to control one another

[LazerBean]

I think it makes many women less interested in marriage and/or makes them get married later. A lot of women are waiting later to get married because they want to get out of college and get stable job first.

Yes, men are still expected to work full-time jobs. And women still do more or most of the cooking, cleaning, and child care even when they work full time. Plus women are now usually expected to work a paid job.

In my opinion women's economic dependence has made men weaker and lazier, women more hostile, and both genders less desirable for and desiring of marriage.

[Kuvokin07]

Men do more work overall in general. Since we have more responsibility and are stronger.

[LazerBean]

If we are talking strictly paid work then yes men in general work slightly more than women, so the amount of men working full-time is on a downward trend. However if we are taking into account childcare and home care, then women work more.

I do agree that men are inherently responsible for their families, however I doubt that most men today would agree that anything that goes wrong in their family is directly their fault and their responsibility.

[Kuvokin07]

Men work harder than women overall. It does not matter what you are trying to say. This has always been going on for generations. It all stems to biology: men are stronger, more powerful than women and do not have menstruation periods that hinders their productivity.

The only men who let women do all the job are those who do not really care much about their wives or family in general. But those are exceptions.

If one is biologically more powerful than the other, then he should take more responsibility in general. That is why men are the backbone of families.

[LazerBean]

I absolutely agree with you that there is a immense increase in men who do not care about their wives or family. And I do agree that men are the backbones at families.

As for biology, yes men are stronger and more powerful than women. Yet, as I stated, men are now significantly weaker and lazier then men have been in the past. Which is one of the large contributors to why the family unit has degenerated so much. That is just a fact, and I am sorry if that offends you.

Yes, men should take more responsibility in general. That does not mean that they do.

[Kuvokin07]

There are many factors that cause this. Feminism is perhaps one of the main reasons behind the dehumanization and destruction of families. Nutrients and lifestyle also play a huge role.

The so-called overlords want to turn the world upside down. What God intended the genders to be, they want to reverse. Men are superior to women, and there is nothing wrong with that. But it is the narrative and the dark psychology (believe me, I studied psychology and have worked in the field for almost seven years. My father and grandfather were psychologists as well) that create psychological triggers and tactics to make people reject nature and the truth that men are more powerful than women. The typical tactic they use is something like "superiority means oppression" as an excuse.

If you understood how money (or, better yet, fiat currency) works, you would realize how disturbed the world can become. If you want to know more, DM me. I gladly share knowledge for free. There are hundreds of causes that the filthy rich and the S4t4n worshippers do to turn everything upside down. If you were a bird and watched from the bird's perspective, you would realize how disturbed this world has become.

[LazerBean]

Nope, the world is upside down because men have failed in the responsibilities that God has given them. That's all. When men stop being weak and immoral as a whole, things will go back to normal.

[Kuvokin07]

And women are not immoral? The reason why some men have failed is because of feminism, nutrients and lifestyle. The "fail" does not come by itself automatically.

[LazerBean]

Women always have and always will follow the leading of men. That is why men are the responsible ones, and that is what it means to be responsible. Feminism only came into existence because men had already long abandoned morals by the time women decided to do the same. Single men our responsibile for their own nutrients and lifestyle, and married men are responsible for the nutrients and lifestyle of their family.

[Kuvokin07]

"Feminism only came into existence because men had already long abandoned morals by the time women decided to do the same"

That is absolutely not true. Feminism is a satanic propaganda in order to switch the power dynamics and to bring about corrupt idea's in order to cause division and destruction in terms of morals. A majority of men back then did not abandon their morals especially Christians and Muslims. You are just trying to turn an exception into a general rule. Which is actually the opposite.

And naturally yes, women are MEANT to follow the leading of men. But the system (all thanks to "money" printing) has engineered and brainwashed the women into leaving the men and be "independent". Giving them the idea to turn their backs on their husbands and perhaps also fathers.

And the system is soo engineered that if a man tries to discipline and lead his woman, the chances are high that that man will be facing consequences but if woman does this, the system is going to leave this be. And it is because of this feminist system that most western men are trying to avoid women. It is the whole feminist system with a swirl of capitalism and corporatism that are splitting everything apart. Normal sane healthy man in the relationship has less and less power.

[Kuvokin07]

"Single men our responsibile for their own nutrients and lifestyle, and married men are responsible for the nutrients and lifestyle of their family. "

Even if we try to buy groceries from the stores, most of them have not as close enough nutrients as real whole food. The only way to get real whole food is to buy them from farmers or butchers. But even then, those food are not 100% guaranteed to be real whole foods because the non-stop oppressing regulations that the whole system are trying to put down on the farmers. The only and perhaps the best way now is to own your own farm and get away from this civilization. But that is easily said than done. The super rich are buying off and owning more real estate and everything is getting more expensive and more and more honest and sane people are feeling trapped in this prison. How was this all possible? Once again: fiat currency. The dollar destroys.

So do not try to put the blame on men solely.

[LazerBean]

I'm sorry that you feel that day. I pray that one day you find God, and that He will teach you what it means to be responsible 🙏🏽

[Kuvokin07]

What?

[melanieeeB]

Well an equal marriage. I love being able to surprise my man with gifts or date nights. I love not being dependent on him or staying because of money, i choose him for him. Money doesn't play a big role in our relationship.


Plus money and security and freedom for yourself, for example, a woman doesn't have to stay in an abusive marriage just cause she can't afford to leave and is financially dependent on an asshole.

[Chazmatazz269]

It gives women an inflated sense of value. When women brag about having their own house and car, and paying their own bills, it’s laughable. You’re bragging about doing the bare minimum as an adult! 😂😂.
Men have always been required to provide, for themselves and for others. We don’t need or want another provider. The things most men want can’t be learned at university or brought home from work. If you find yourself with a guy who values your income potential, you WILL end up being the provider in that relationship, and you will almost certainly be highly disappointed with the overall outcome. Especially if your goal is a long term relationship.

[SotiCoto]

You say "we" but you're just talking about yourself.

[Chazmatazz269]

Nah. I’m talking about the vast majority of men.

[MzAsh]

What are men providing on 50k a year? Most absolutely do need help paying rent.

[fonduegirl]

Guys brag about those things too. Cars especially. Hence they're so obsessed with it

[fonduegirl]

And every guy earns differently. You're financially well off and that's why you're mocking everybody else

[fonduegirl]

@MzAsh most people would actually live alone if they could afford the rent

[princeofromance]

They are not playing their tradition role as the stay-at-home parent. Therefore, the man has to step in and fill that role as well. This often puts strain on the marriage do to stress or unwilling to compromise on who is to take on the responsibility of a certain task.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Here I come into your question as a guy that doesn't work and I expect women to treat me and pay for everything. Then I get guys with a blue pill complex trying to hammer me for being like that as well as women... They're all losers. They all work while I make more than them BY DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. But their telling me what I should do even though I have more money and free time as well as more women on my dick.

#1... ask yourselves where the fuck I learned these tactics. I'll show you fuckers before you break your brains... single mother that collected child support from my dad and my two sisters with all different Dads. About 6 hundred/kid, 1,800 in all, 400 in rent, buys herself drugs, alcohol, fancy perfumes, and feeds us toporoman. Meanwhile, I watched my stepdad struggle to pay her. Bitch, shut the fuck up if you don't understand why I don't care about that disney princess shit.

I went off on some bullshit and I know it. Sorry... I just needed to rant on a subject.

To your question... it gives them power. How they use that power is fun. Sorry if I view it in such a negative light. I'm not so negative (obviously) if they spend that power on keeping me happy. Want to go out... you're paying. And maybe your special and would never do that for a man... not these women around me, so don't hate the player, hate the game.

[Purpleronnie]

That’s up to both in the marriage / relationship even though there may be societal expectations or norms on what’s expected or given.


I generally consider that long before marriage or a relationship was on the cards either party’s “economic” independence at least afforded their own consideration and attention. People should want to be independent before attempting to invite a partner and I fail to understand why people would consider even dating someone who didn’t at least want to economic independence whether or not there was an actual need to in the supposed relationship or marriage.


For me personally I would love to be in a position that neither of is have to worry about financial economics but I see it as both of us or neither of us. I. e assuming an equal role in our relationship or marriage I would want my wife or partner to at least want to independent in every other sense. I get that not everyone wants or needs what I want or need but that’s up to me , it doesn’t have to conform with society , that’s my prerogative. Should a woman expect to be in a relationship where we are anything less than equal then they aren’t for me.

[lorenzomichael]

They say you learn by experience. So this is what I have learned throughout my experience being married to wife 28 years in the beginning of our marriage I was the only one working as a union ironworker local433 LA. She was in school however We didn’t have much but our bills were being paid. After her schooling then came the Ca bar exam. years and years later here she is, along with two of her friends they became partners together they practice criminal and family law been going strong for 17 years. as you can imagine she make a whole lot more than I do. I’m still working as an ironworker. I’ll never give that up. That’s my passion. So with the money she makes and what she brings into the house. It has no effect on our marriage whatsoever. Of course, we gained a whole Lotta nice things, but those are just material things. So if you’re in a loving relationship do not let money come between you two. Love your partner more than you love yourself. And please remember, “The love of money is the root of all evil.” (1Tim. 6:10)

[Cormac995]

What woman expect of men financially these days is ridiculous. the 6 figure salary is dead yet it's still insisted on and woman want husbands who make more than them as collage graduates themselves when fewer men are graduating collage than ever and even fewer are doing anything with their degree. Most people with diploma's especially men are putting the fries in the bag right now for Christ sake.

[dustybiker2]

If it's a balanced relationship: It's satisfaction to have found a way to contribute.

If it's unbalanced toward the man, the woman would be resented. And she would either use it to her poisonous advantage or feel less than.

If it's unbalanced toward the woman she might be inclined to use it as leverage, power.

[hannamontana]

Women’s economic independence significantly shifts traditional roles in marriage. When women earn their own income, they gain more freedom to make choices—whether it’s about career, family, or leaving unhealthy relationships. It often leads to more equal partnerships, where responsibilities (like finances, parenting, and household duties) are shared more fairly.

[Dargil]

It makes them far less likely to marry at all. It also makes them. Far more likely to pull the plug when the kid scratched away from high school. And then at that point, even if they are independently wealthy, they will financially disembowel their husbands.

[Chocolatetwopointtwo]

would u want to marry a gold digger?

[Dargil]

@Chocolatetwopointtwo Gold diggers are masters of deception

[Chocolatetwopointtwo]

yeah thats like kinda the point.

[SotiCoto]

Moving towards more equal relationships is definitely the right way to go if people are to respect each other.
Unfortunately there are still a lot of trad-tarded men with troglodyte attitudes about owning women and conversely a lot of parasitically minded women who still want to cling to the old ways... which wouldn't be a problem if they kept it to themselves, but the idiots keep trying to promote their financial slavery system as though it were somehow supposed to be better.

[Anonymous]

If a woman has economic independence it shouldn’t impact the relationship, same if the man has economic independence.

A relationship founded on true love, won’t let economic ‘dominance’ get in the way.
If someone has an issue I’d see it as an issue of pride / insecurity though the other in the relationship doesn’t have to sacrifice their independence just for pride and ego.

Support their hard work and their contribution, just as they would towards you.

[lorenzomichael]

I couldn’t agree with you more brother.

[Opinion Owner]

@lorenzomichael Thank you for your kindness, compassion, and thoughtfulness.
Really makes me feel the world isn’t as dark or selfish as people make it out to be sometimes.

[alli-112]

I mean I think it mostly just gives people more options of how they, or they and their partner, want to live. Which I view as a net benefit since people are all pretty different and so will suit different lifestyles.

[Anonymous]

The more a woman makes, the less likely she is to ever get married, because, and you can deny this all you like, but statistically women won't be with men who make less than them. It's why man loses job, wife leaves. Wife wins lottery, wife leaves. And why women who make 6 figures are chronically single.

[Anonymous]

Gender roles are evolving, but traditional gender roles are not. They are what they are.

The psychology of economically independent women varies, but in general it is problematic for healthy dating because women are naturally hypergamous, which typically results in negative relationship dynamics that often end relationships.

[Kuvokin07]

Women are not economic "independent". They are coddled and supported by many programs like DEI because of your biological deficiencies. If there were no special programs and if the world was fair, then it would be extremely obvious that women are dependent on men. Not the other way round.

[Chocolatetwopointtwo]

ur in denial that some women are better than u.

[Anonymous]

I want to help, provide, and care for my love interest. Yes, I know, I can do that non-financially. But I also CAN do it financially and all the other ways with a girl who makes less than me. I can help her more and I can feel more fulfilled knowing I'm facilitating a better life for her. I want that.

[Nikki1989]

It ultimately contributes to a more balanced and modern partnership. It is a win-win for everyone.

[genericname85]

well as of yet there's not been a development that offered men the ability to carry out the pregnancy and giving birth. so at least during that part, the man whould have to carry financially. and that's probably not gonna change soon.

[Notherndude84]

Probably to a degree, western society’s structure is male orientated, male goals and ambitions are touted as the most worthy of pursuit. I think that’s a common thread from the home all the way into the halls of power in government.

[Anonymous]

A lot of women don't want to do traditional gender roles in the relationship but still expect men to perform theirs.

[TheSpaceGnome]

There aren't any financial expectations in a stable relationship.

[fonduegirl]

Men want to date a highschool girl but it baffles them when she asks them to pick the bills

[Blackcat1952]

It probably should TO A POINT. Because remember it used to work so well for centuries. I think nowadays you have to find a balance.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Financially independent women don't have to take their husband's abuse.

[DishLady]

It doesn’t HAVE to….

[Anonymous]

I agree with you overall

[Anonymous]

It affects mostly financially.

[Chocolatetwopointtwo]

it doesn't