AND GOD SAID TO SATAN
ONE OF EVES KIDS WILL KILL YOU
AND HE WILL STRIKE YOUR HEAD
AND YOU WILL STRIKE HIS HEELand your kids satan
will be at war with eves kids
One of the mysteries of the Christian life is why God didn’t destroy Satan immediately after Satan sinned. We know that God will one day defeat Satan by throwing him into the Lake of Fire where he will be tortured day and night forever (Revelation 20:10), but sometimes we wonder why God has not destroyed Satan already. Perhaps we will never know God’s exact reasoning, but we do know certain things about His nature.
First, we know God is absolutely sovereign over all creation, and this includes Satan. We also know that God has planned everything from the beginning of time to the end. Nothing can thwart His plans, and things are proceeding exactly on His schedule. “The LORD of hosts has sworn: ‘As I have planned, so shall it be, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand’” (Isaiah 14:24).
Second, “we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose” (Romans 8:28). Whatever God has planned for Satan, that plan will be the best one possible. God’s perfect wrath and justice will be satisfied, and His perfect righteousness will be glorified. Those who love Him and who wait for His plan to be fulfilled will be thrilled to be part of that plan and will praise and glorify Him as they see it unfold.
Third, we know that to question God’s plan and its timing is to question God Himself, His judgment, His character and His very nature. It is not wise to question His right to do exactly as He pleases. The psalmist tells us, “As for God, His way is perfect” (Psalm 18:30). As He reminds us, “‘For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,’ says the LORD. ‘For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts’” (Isaiah 55:8-9).
So while we will never understand His reasoning, our responsibility to God is to obey and trust Him, and to submit to His will, whether we understand it or not. In the case of His timing for Satan’s demise, it has to be the best possible plan because it is God’s plan. check out more details on gotquestions. org
In reply, from Mark Twain's "The Mysterious Stranger":
“Strange! that you should not have suspected years ago—centuries, ages, eons, ago!—for you have existed, companionless, through all the eternitiee... Strange, because they are so frankly and hysterically insane—like all dreams: a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice and invented hell—mouths mercy and invented hell—mouths Golden Rules, and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him..."
The Christian vision of God is wrong, that of the ancients - Greek and Roman - correct. God is not loving and just, but arbitrary and capricious. Satan merely then serves His moods.
The seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent. This foresaw the virgin birth and accomplishment of Jesus Christ life. God is going to put Satan in the Lake of Fire for all eternity, but this is on God's time table. Love is the fullest act of Free Will, right now until the harvest the Wheat is being grown to be safely separated from the tares at harvest. We are given time to chose and seek God while he can be found. If you want to know what is going to happen to Satan read Revelation.
Because we can only learn, grow, and become better and stronger through experiencing opposition. Just like lifting weights to build muscle. (Stupid analogy I know, but still you get the point). This life is a test. In everything there is opposition - just look at the world we live in, or the very laws of nature. Day and night. Up and down. Joy and sadness. Hatred and love. War and peace (great novel too 😉). It’s important as well that we all are given the freedom to choose. Otherwise we could all just be forced to obey God but we’d never grow or learn anything. Satan is necessary as he is that opposition.
God's purpose for creation isn't this life - this life is a test to see whether we love God or whether we love Satan - the next life is when we fulfill our true purpose - either as worshipers and innocent lovers of God or as punished criminals
remember GOD cannot lie he must keep his word
that's actually not true. one time GOD got a DUI, so now, if a cop asks GOD if he has been drinking, GOD says "no", even if he has been drinking.
GOD would advise anyone else to do the same thing.
@jennifer_bloom God has absolutely no interest in punishing criminals. in fact, god has absolutely no interest in law. that's something humans came up with (i guess?)...
god is hella not stoked about killing, raping, stealing, warmongering, selfish manipulation of others and those types of things... god IS stoked about creative solutions to those problems...
@jemismyname God punishes non-believers, after the life on earth.
I don't believe i a supreme evil being. Humans already commit evil through free moral agency on their own, so there needs to be no explanation of human evil by using a devil to explain it. Nevertheless I do believe in the existence of evil spirits, and one reason God doesn't' destroy evil spirits is because She (God) is giving the evil spirtis a chance to repent and worship God again.
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Because Allah the one God explain it: "And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration. So the angels prostrated - all of them entirely. Except Iblees (Satan), he refused to be with those who prostrated. [ Allah ] said, O Iblees, what is [the matter] with you that you are not with those who prostrate? He (Satan) said, "Never would I prostrate to a human whom You created out of clay from an altered black mud." [ Allah ] said, "Then get out of it, for indeed, you are expelled. And indeed, upon you is the curse until the Day of Recompense." He (Satan) said,"My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected." [ Allah ] said, "So indeed, you are of those reprieved. Until the Day of the time well-known." [Iblees] said, "My Lord, because You have put me in error, I will surely make [disobedience] attractive to them on earth, and I will mislead them all. Except, among them, Your chosen servants." [ Allah ] said, "This is a path [of return] to Me [that is] straight. Indeed, My servants - no authority will you have over them, except those who follow you of the deviators. And indeed, Hell is the promised place for them all.
In a way, He's already defeated! He's been denied His power to use Free Will. Anything He does, He must first receive Permission from God Himself! (Refer to the Book of Job) If He would be Destroyed now, the World would be without Reason. We're here to pick our side. God, or Satan. If Satan was gone, why would we be here? We'd be up with Our Lord! He knows His Demise is at hand. He knows His time is running short. But, He has been given some "time" to roam the World looking for Souls to take with Him. "Behold, The Devil is like a Lion roaming the Earth, Devouring"
Satan doesn't even exist in the first place. We don't need a supreme evil spirit or fallen angel to explain human evil. Human evil exists because of free moral agency and it so happens humans are just that evil in and of themselves.
Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein were not "demon possessed" they were just that evil in and of themselves, and God says they are "cursed for all of time".
Again, you don't need the devil to explain human evil, humans are just that evil to begin with.
Also, even if Satan did exist, maybe God is giving Satan a chance to repent, the same way God gives everyone else a chance to repent... but again, I don't believe Satan exists because there is no good reason to believe satan exists.
I know "evil spirits" exists because I've seen and experienced them before, but that doesn't mean any alleged "Fallen Angel" controls all evil int eh Universe... in order to do that, Satan would need to be Omnipotent and Omniscient, which is blasphemy. So again there is no Satan.
A LOT of innocent people throughout history were murdered by religious fanatics having been blamed for witchcraft or demon possession, when they did no wrong whatsoever. During the Dark Ages all the way up to the Renaissance you could be accused of demon possession or witchcraft because of a bad weather outbreak or a famine or plague happened, and if the majority of people though you were to blame, they'd burn you at the stake for it, even if you had nothing whatsoever to do with what went wrong. And Christians and Jews did more false accusations of witchcraft and demon possession than anyone else or maybe even everyone else combined.
If you were born with a birth defect, such as extra limbs or a prehensile tail or even extra toes or fingers or webbed feet, etc, you could be killed for witchcraft. If you had a twin, you could be killed for witchcraft. If you caught the plague and survived the plague, you could be killed for witchcraft.
So that is one key reason why God told me, "Christianity has done more harm than good in the past thousand years."
In one case, in the 14th century when the Little Ice Age started, the Catholic church sent exorcists to "cast the devil" out of the advancing glaciers in Europe, which obviously didn't work. But they thought the devil controlled the weather, even though the Bible says in multiple locations that GOD controls the weather. Evil Spirits do not have "creative power" only God has creative power, so evil spirits do not control the weather and evil spirits do not control disease... and if hypocrite christians and jews had read the Old Testament ONE time they would know that.
In short, Satan owes God $521.72.
God doesn't want to be out of that money because He needs that money to buy a new gaming system.
The problem is that Satan wants that same gaming system, so he's not going to even save up to pay God until he first gets that gaming system.
So, if and when Satan pays off God, God may take action.
However, God's not stupid though... He's charging Satan 25% interest, so as long as Satan keeps making minimum payments, God just keeps collecting that cash...
After all...
Jesus
Saves.
you took the words out of my mouth
Satan and God are both powerful but then there is free-will to do whatever you want. Just like the law creates the do's and dont's but it is up to the individuals of society to make the right or wrong decision. If you commit a crime obviously you'll be put in jail but also you have the right to ask for a lawyer to protect you when faced in court. Same thing with God. God is aware that everyone does not believe in him so that alone would make it impossible to destroy Satan because Satan has people on his team. Satan wants evil and those who continue to do evil are doing the work Satan wants to see in this crazy world. If everyone were angels then there wouldn't be hell nor Satan. If Satan is aware that no one wants to do dirty deeds then eventually he'll be destroyed from not receiving any gratification from evil.
As a being created by God, Satan is ultimately under God's control. God has his purposes and plans for Satan. It says Satan entered Judas, who betrayed Jesus, who died as the payment for sins. God is in control of it all.
Another thing, Satan is not in charge (a jailer) in Hell. He is just another created being that is punished. He will be bound for 1000 years and then thrown in the lake of fire.
Without Satan there is no possibility for true love. Satan allows us to have free will to make the choice to love God from our hearts not just because love is the only default emotion.. without Satan, genuine love and kindness would not exist. We would be robotic creatures.
Jing cannot exist without Jang; Good cannot be, without Evil; and so on
FREE WILL!! Everything is in Balance, and through balance, all is good!
God does not ever MAKE you do anything!! YOU CHOOSE!!
Read the Genesis Story again, and you will have your answer as to why, then, if you are aware and understand.
Yeah, but if he really is all powerful like it says then he could force there to be only good, nothing can stop him, he makes the rules and doesn't have to obey them himself, he could snap his fingers and abolish everything evil and create a utopia. What use is free will to a god and furthermore what use are people? Entertainment at best, his power isn't proportional to the amount of believers he has, and he could just as easily do without anything he's created. So why try to get people to fallow you? Why buy food if you don't need to eat? There is no reason, unless you substitute god with a person, people wan't power, and followers, and to spread their beliefs, and control over right and wrong, good or bad; is it so hard to believe that people made the concept of god in order to control others? After all what's more effective then saying if you don't listen to and align with me then you'll suffer forever and there's only one way to avoid that, join me
@Therisinghero12 But the POINT, is that while A "GOD" COULD do what you say, and control, that "GOD" is beyond our reasoning, as I mentioned, in the Garden of Eden Story!
Because one can, doesn't mean DOES!!
My understanding of the Christian God, is that of Hands off and FREE WILL!! WE chose, and ewe can fck up, and HE/SHE won't stop us, or interfere!
It is difficult for most to understand the concept of "GOD" that doesn't control, that doesn't interfere, but rather just watches, and is maybe amused, from time to time, with our fallacies!
If a god is beyond our reasoning then how can you know their motives, reactions and intentions, once again I ask why would he give us free will? Why would he care about our existence at all? Why would he watch us? And if he's so hands off and free will then why does he try to force people to act a certain way by promising eternal bliss if they do and eternal suffering if they dont? That's like me saying you can do whatever you want in my house but if you touch the cookie jar you'll die, that's not allowing free will, that's trying to force someone not to touch the cookie jar.
@Therisinghero12 But you sound like a BELIEVER, when you said "if he's so hands off and free will then why does he try to force people to act a certain way by promising eternal bliss if they do and eternal suffering if they dont?" You missed my point, and the POINT of the CHRISTIAN GOD!! YOU HAVE FREE WILL TO CHOOSE, and what you say sounds like a manipulation, like a 'cult' and the Christian God is NOT THAT WAY!!
You speak DOGMA, like a believer, and you mock what I say, when I question that, and offer another interpretation!! The Garden Story was about FREE WILL!!
The 'cookie jar' argument is reductio ad absurdum, and just ridiculous, and the obvious type of response when one has nothing legitimate to say!
Couldn't be farther from the truth, I'm speaking of hypothetical things, like IF there was a god, from that perspective of course I would look like a believer. You aren't making a point, you're making a claim, that god wan't us to have free will, without actually explaining why he would want that, what are his motives? I do think Christianity is a cult, and the concept of god is a tool people use to control others, and sure the theoretical god may not be that way, who's to say what a fictional characters intentions are? They're up for interpretation, but some hold more ground then others, for example like some higher being being indifferent to the struggles of things much lower than itself, like the earlier analogy of ants and humans to humans and gods. You say that I speak dogma yet fail to see your own, that god gives us free will and that is indisputable even when there's no logical reason he would. Yes, I'll admit the absurdity of the cookie jar analogy, but the point of the absurdity is to make it more obvious the dynamic that supposedly exists between god and man, think of me as god, you as man, and the cookie jar as any sinful action, and if you do a sinful action then there is a negative consequence, how do you not see how that is trying to get you to act a certain way? That's not free will at all, it's manipulation. And you say I have nothing legitimate to say yet keep repeating the same sentence without explanation, how's that going to get anyone to believe you? It's almost like your projecting yourself onto me
Ok I'm an atheist but i without evil u wouldn't know what good was so u wouldn't be able to appriciate life for all its wonders and heartbreaks. by the way is satan truelly evil or just depicted that way? He's just the jailor of the damned, does that make him a vilian or a hero? To me, that makes em a hero
he raped the women of the earth
Its been happening for ever that why we have choice
God Satan
Good bad
Right wrong
Positive negitive
Yes no
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We are the one that have to destroy by doing the Right things he gave us CHOICE,, he's in am of our lives if we allow him or others like him in
LOL... why doesn't Superman destroy Lex Luthor?
Why doesn't Flash destroy the Trickster?
Why doesn't Spider-Man destroy the Green Goblin?
Because none of them exist... get it?
God and Satan are just fictional characters... but from mythology, not from comics.
God didn't kill satan cuz he doesn't want his angels to think that God is the bad guy so instead, God think of a more clever idea to humiliate satan with his lowest rank archeangel michael. This shows that even the highest ranking of God servants are incomparable to God himself.
AND HE WILL STRIKE YOUR HEAD
AND YOU WILL STRIKE HIS HEEL
@Keyspirit yes
Satan isn't a name, it's a title. It means something similar to "accuser" or "adversary." Before Lucifer was invented in later texts, the original Hebrew bible referred to multiple demons and humans as Satan. They were later combined into one being. In short, he's just a character in a story.
Basically Satan said people only worship you for the things they get out of you. So that is why. That is why Satan could offer Jesus if you do one act of worship I will give you all the kingdoms of the world. Because he controls them. To prove Satan s liar.
You quoted Gen3:15 the first part was when the Jewish leaders helped by Satan killed Jesus. But in fact it helped to continue to empower Jesus discribed in Revelation returns to finish the job it puts Satan in prison where he can do no harm for a thousand years and all his followers into the lake of fire, totally finished...
GOD must keep his word that's why he does not destroy satan yet
Why didn't God just make people and angels perfect AND eliminate from their minds and options any possibility of disobedience, thus preventing Satan's fall in the first place? If God had done so, how would the characteristics of justice, grace, or mercy ever be displayed? Waiting to ultimately punish Satan is part of the entire tapestry.
so robots lol
Robots? That makes no sense. If limiting your choices to only good ones make you a robot, then explain Eternity after The Judgment. Is everyone there a "robot" since there is no more sin? Or is God just exercising his prerogative to limit choices?
GOD would literally have to take away free will lol
not gonna happen
Satan is nothing. If he did not exist another spirit would take his place. There are eternal principles at play older than either god or satan. The nature of good and evil, or more accurately, freedom and captivity, is eternal. Good and evil are part of the nature of the universe, and can't be created or destroyed.
Because Satan is God's alternate account. If he gets rid of his alternate account then who is he gonna stage fights on Facebook with to look like a hero?
Seems like a pretty obvious solution for a loving God, doesn't it? He's willing to condemn people who turn against him to eternal hellfire but allows Satan to exist with impunity. Just another hole in the logic of religion.
WHAT
are you that stupid
GOD has to keep his word
he will not lie
i suggest you read the verses and take them literally
@asker. Amen
Certainly nothing can be written in a book of it's not true. Oh wait, fiction is a thing.
you mean your fake science book lol
atheist
you made me go on to a learning splurge and have me confused. so if i say something wrong about religion i don't really know it and i'm sorry.
if the jews made the bible why do people believe it? everyone knows jews lie
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee
THE JEW THING IS NOT NEW
IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME
i see. what can we do about this?
nothing everyone has a time to die
plus the people won't group together to kill them
SO OUR HANDS ARE TIED
i don't think you're trying hard enough. this is serious
no let it go
THE SATANIC JEWS WILL DIE ONE DAY JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE
let em party in heaven/hell i guess
Well if there are such things, then obviously satan was made of god (not only by god, but of god). Why would he destroy something he chose to become. So the better question is why did he choose to create satan? Because god can do whatever he likes and there is no one else but god to judge or suffer the consequences.
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