A religious and secular society is going to be able to advance science. A fundamentalist society will not. So for example islam had its golden period where rulers would loot libraries across the world and invite thinkers from everywhere to join them in big islamic cities. Then came a dark period where prominent movements branded math as the works of devil. Islamic societies in general never fully recovered since. This results in lack of progress and almost no scientific achievement coming from such societies today. But I would argue it is not the religion itself that does it. It is the degree to which religious doctrine is allowed free reign over a society.
Once a religion is submitted or generally accepts a position where science is not seen as a challenge to the authority of god or religious organizations, it can be fairly neutral when it comes to science.
If instead a religion is allowed to uphold a stable social structure and oppose nihilism, but is pushed back whenever it tries to penetrate any other part of life, it can sometimes be a force for the good. Rational arguments don't always lead to correct conclusions and sometimes irrational archetypes and ancient fiction can help us connect with ideas we intuitively understand but can't fully articulate. I would prefer a world without religion and superstition, but the situation is much less black and white than your question seems to imply.11 Reply
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+1 yoooo boy your gonna stir up a hornets nest! lol
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thump, thump, thump I can here the Bibles thumping on the table
Yes and no, it all depends.
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Religious people that are anti vax, anti technology, etc. for example; religious Amish that cut themselves off from society and partake in inbreeding.
There’s actually a good video up on yt by Anthony padellia where he interviewed people who grew up Amish.00 Reply
+1 y@YoMan1 may I ask you why you think this way?
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Of course, as an example I will take the vaccines for covid-19 because it is relevant to today.
A religious person would say that injecting yourself with a vaccine would be unnatural and go against "God's creation". As opposed to a non religious person who would, in general, be for the human advancements in technology. Do you think that way? - +1 y
I disagree. There’s tons of religious people that are for the vaccine. You would need stats to really prove your point. With your example, you can’t say religious vs non religious. I also know many non religious people that aren’t for the vaccine.
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Well yours is generally wrong because you have one extreme to another extreme. Your statement has no in between.
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Also majority of the people that I have spoken to that aren’t for the vaccine, are not against it for religious reasons.
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@YoMan1 so why is it I used a religious exemption , even though technically my need for not getting the vaccine isn’t religious? How many other people are using the religious exemption without the purpose of being religious? Again, you can’t use one extreme to another extreme to determine your conclusions. If someone wants to use technology on their bodies, no one is really stopping them. I disagree that religion stops everyone else in the world from progressing. I will agree that religion actually creates differences in human life creating a more hostile environment however
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In my personal opinion: you have a strong dislike in religious people, resulting you to feel this way.
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@YoMan1 what religion would you assume that I am? Anyways, bad experiences don’t mean that religious people aren’t trying to save lives like you mentioned in other comments. You think technologies like abortion clinics are savings lives? Me personally: I think there’s pros and cons to most religions and also not being religious
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I am American and I am an Israelite. My religion does not personally harm others because I am not supposed to be involved with others that don’t believe in my religion. We are against abortion for ourselves because it stops life, however I personally don’t care if others choose to abort their babies because they aren’t involved with my religion. My religion changed my life in various ways that are positive. I think the more main stream religions are actually more hurtful to society. I will not sit in a church. They’re many many priests that will preach to many people but will 1. Rape young kids 2. Not even follow what they preach. They’re many people that claim to be religious but also support abortion and such. The thing with religion is people pick and choose what they want to believe making it hard to even assume that religious people even stop remote growth
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I agree with most of what you said (I might go on a tangent here lol) except I don't see why you shouldn't be involved with others that don't believe in your religion.
The pick and choose part - yes and it also applies to other domains, such as the news or your general truths.
Would love to continue this conversation, but I unfortunately will have to sleep on it and come back to you later... Lol - +1 y
@YoMan1 the religion I am in, insinuates I should not be involved with others that do not believe in my religion because it creates chaos in my life, which essentially it does. I am not supposed to get super wasted and all the times I have gotten wasted? I have been in horrible situations. People that don’t share similar values, usually don’t mesh with the religion I live. I am not supposed to be celebrating holidays also, almost every on earth celebrates holidays. So there’s a divide between everyday people and my religion.
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+1 yScience? Unquestioningly. Technology? probably. But it's less obvious, i think. One good example of it however would be the religious fervor against the research and development of often life-saving stem cell technology. (Research, I might add, that does not technically require abortions to proceed.)
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Or the "pro-life" Christians?
Pro-lifers be like "YOUR FETUS IS ALIVE, IT DESERVES TO LIVE, YOU can't GET AN ABORTION! LIFE MATTERS!"
Okay, but what about black lives? What about kids growing up in foster care, unable to get adopted b/c literally, no one wants them? what about giving financial support and benefits to struggling families, especially single mothers, who are trying their damndest to keep their children and maintain some semblance of a good life for them and just failing at it through no fault of their own? We should support them, right? Yeah, stfu. These fucking people dont give a shit about life. They're pro-birth, not pro-life.
+1 yI think people are just not developed for technology. Like think about how radically different we live today vs 100000 years ago, like evolutionary we haven’t even had enough time for our backs to be formed correctly, let alone our brains adapting to our modern lives
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Like Cortana and master chief? XD
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I’d rather the robots just takeover and tell us what to do
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I imagine that's a fairly unpopular opinion, yes? I can't imagine most people feel great about being commanded by a robot.
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I hope the machines don’t care and just chug forward with whatever it decides is best. Humans have destroyed the ecology of earth, so I think we just need to flip the switch on Artificial Intelligence and kick back
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I wonder, since we're having a discussion that is as of yet, in the realm of science fiction, if perhaps it might make more sense to fuck with our code instead... Think about it, if we stop and consider all of the greatest problems humanity and the planet are facing and have faced historically, you can trace it back to different aspects of human nature. Greed, an inability to empathize for the "others" in our society... the list goes on and on.
Some subtle tweaking of the gene pool and our problems could be solved... the only question would be, what traits would we deem to be superior and worth instilling in our species... we could literally pick and choose.
(For the record, I'm talking about genetic engineering, not eugenics. I'm a nerd, I'm not crazy lol.)
No people like Thomas Aquinas was a great scientist and philosopher. A lot of the great astronomers were some form of Christian like Galileo believed in God Isaac newton what is an Unorthodox Catholic Johannesburg Kepler was a proud Christian Leonardo da Vinci was Catholic Edmond Halley was liberal in his religious beliefs. Ben Franklin was deist Nikola Tesla was a Serbian orthodox. Thomas Edison never declared himself a part of any religious sect but he did take religion seriously under the guise of Thomas Paine from his age of reason and was a deist. So there been many great scientists who was been religious and allowed our knowledge and western civilization to grow and thrive. The United state and the west very existence comes from Greek reasoning and jewish ethics.
00 Reply3.8K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic. You need to have a mind to change first, you dimwit.
Religion doesn't make or break technology, it's not it's purview. A priest can be as good a car mechanic, as he can a scientist. His religion plays no role in his skills in either.
Science makes guns, religion makes laws around their legal use. They work together, not separate.01 Reply- +1 y
To each their own opinions, but I partly disagree. Religion doesn't make or break technology, it prevents it.
In the second part of your statement, a priest cannot be a good scientist because of the opposing problem solving techniques.
Finally, religion has no link with laws or legality. Therefore, religion does not regulate the use of science - only the people following the religion.
A religion at it's core is a book and belief. A book and belief only have as much power over someone as they choose to give. So it's less about religion being counterproductive, it's peoples beliefs being counterproductive due to how much power they have to their chosen book and belief. Though thinking like that can open a Pandora's box of its own.
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u +1 yI'm not sure how that's possible.
The main reason for this is that science and religion are concerned with two different things. Religion, generally speaking, is concerned with the supernatural and man's relation to and hope to attain the supernatural. Science, depending on which field you're talking about, is focused on the physical world and the things therein. For either one to attempt to make an authoritative claim on the other would be for them to bite off more than they can chew.00 Reply
+1 yNo. There are lots of religious people who are very good at advancing science and technology. Here's a list of examples who were committed Christians.
https://www.famousscientists.org/great-scientists-christians/00 Reply2.6K opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic. Some religious leaders have been telling their followers not to be vaccinated against Covid-19 and many have become infected and died. But in the developed nations religious leaders have no power to block the advancement of science or technology.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yYes and no. No, in the sense that there's nothing inherent in religion which is counter to science and technology. But yes in the sense that in America, religion is not content to sit in its corner and guide the morals of people. They insert themselves into politics. They insert themselves into scientific debate, and science classes, to keep their myths unchallenged by the educated mind.
00 ReplyHave been in the past.
It still influence some scientists work in a negative way when it comes to accuracy. but science community in itself have some major ideology issue in itself that put brakes on how fast it can go. even human factor with like ego interfere.00 Reply- 717 opinions shared on Religion & Spirituality topic.
u +1 yPeople's opinions on this subject tend to be based on emotional factors, rather than logical factors, and I almost never respond to a challenge to "change as mind," as it is always an invitation to waste time.
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+1 yI generally don't think so, not unless the religion is promoting an oppressive anti-scientific agenda, and disuading good scientists and engineers from their work..
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+1 yNo, not at all, at las Christianity, this even suport the science to search for answers and show how God create evrething.
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+1 yabsolutely
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+1 yDepends what religion it is or what technology you’re talking about. But the two aren’t opposites. They’re different fields.
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no..
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thats like saying a vegetable is the opposite of a pear. Or a boat is the opposite of a car.
+1 yReligion is superstition. It was made up to explain things we couldn't understand back then and to keep citizens under control
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yYep.
9/11.
"Honor" killing.
Wasting time praying and being at church instead of being in the laboratory. Won't save you from poverty and living with cockroaches.00 Reply
+1 yNope.
Some of the best universities were established by religious orders. Think Georgetown and Notre Dame.00 ReplyI think organized religion as an institution is severely holding human thought and potential back.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yAlbert Einstein regularly professed his belief in god. Your move satan
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+1 yAbsolutely! Just look at the history of science.
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+1 yit was religion that created the scientific method
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