So you call yourself a Christan?

[LightOfTruth]

I resently came across a post that disturbed me. Christians saying that we are supposed to pass judgement. On person even posted 5 ways we should be. It seems many have been blinded. Is it not written that Jesus judges and that we are supposed to use discernment? God made rules, Jesus judges and we follow. Jesus follows God, man follows Jesus, woman follows man and children follow woman. Where is the brakedown?

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If your not Christan then no need to post by the way. This is for the people that want to say they are Christians without doing the work. Fake Christan are as bad as the devil himself. Driving people away with falsities and dumbness.

[CountessSarah]

This is a No-True-Scotsman. The defining criteria of a christian is accepting the christian god exists. You and a christian you don't agree with are of no greater authority than the other to decide which of you isn't a christian. You can't just move the goalposts to suit what you think proper practice of christianity is.

Otherwise I could do the same and insist that 'true christians' support slavery, seen as it's justified in the bible. And you would have no more authority to contest my definition as I would yours.

[LightOfTruth]

Lol we are taking one issue on here. Wether or not we as Christians have the right to judge others. I find that many say yes. I still don't see where it says we can let alone should.

[CountessSarah]

This is one issue.
You seem to think that some people can't call themselves christian, I explained that it's not up to you to add extra criteria to what makes someone a christian. Whether christians can judge isn't the defining characteristic of a christian.

[LightOfTruth]

Oh i see your one of the people that done answer question they just piss and wine.

[CountessSarah]

You're the one whining that other people aren't following your book correctly.

The question isn't valid because it's based on a fallacy.
Trust me, or you and any christian you end up talking to will just go in circles indefinitely.

[LightOfTruth]

Welp, ok have fun.

[fireforeffect]

What does a judge do?
A Judge listens to the evidence, He comes to a decision based upon the evidence, and then assigns a punishment to the guilty.
We should all listen to the facts before making a decision, but it is not up to us to punish.. You are correct that God makes the rules and we should base our decisions upon his laws and teachings.
The Punishment is left up to God alone. God has said that He will repay.

[LightOfTruth]

You get it. Nicely said.

[Honestguyopen]

You are very much correct in your understanding. I would just add to it that there exists judges in the world today to uphold laws and maintain order. In the congregation, shepherds of the flock excercise judgment in judicial matters in the case of great sin in order to protect the congregation.

Other than this you speak well.

[LightOfTruth]

Agreeded law is man's closest thing to be appropriately like God.

[LightOfTruth]

And just like man, we mess up law and order.

[wankiam]

yeah i saw that too... i thought the whole basis of christian belief was that only god can judge so i did have a bit of a laugh... i might have pointed this out but you can rarely argue with stupid

[LightOfTruth]

Lol, true. My concern is that people want to say they are Christan but have no idea what that means.

[wankiam]

true but you know what, im past caring. im happy with my own existentialism but if they need answers to questions that never needed asking then so beit... sad that they dont often afford me the same freedom to believe what i like though... the huge number of times i have had this debate with christians where they are adamant im wrong and will go to their hell even though i dont judge them is hilarious but also tiring which is why i just couldnt be bothered again... all i can think is that if they are right and they do get to their pearly gates i hope the one to greet them is that blue elephant dude with loads of arms lol

[LightOfTruth]

Can't see how they would know if you will go to hell lol. It's like a kid putting his father's shoes on and saying he is an adult. That's Jesus job lol. I bet most you spoken to also go the church on Sunday and speak gossip about each other lol.

[wankiam]

the worst are the ones that dont go to church so they dont even practice what they preach

[LightOfTruth]

Well you have been misslead. It says no where that we are to go to church (building). That is the saying of dumb people lol. They are lazy and don't want to read so they say go to church. What it does say is to preach the word of God. Also technically we are in church right now. Anyone time two or more people are speaking about God they are in church.

[wankiam]

maybe but im speaking of their god not mine as i dont have one so maybe because im being objective, it doesn't count as a church... dave allen was a great irish comedian back in the day who would often poke fun at all religions in his shows but he always signed of by saying 'may your god be with you''... thats where i am at with it i think

[LightOfTruth]

That's ok and if you ever want to ask questions about Christianity I am always up to it. Basically it not my job to convert it's to help those that seek answers. This post is more focused at the fake person Bible thumping as if they know all. Even though they don't even have the base foundation of what there are LITERALLY told lol. Have a great day.

[wankiam]

thats a great stance to take and i respect you for it... i did bible study as a youngster so not totally ignorant but i just didn't have any faith and thats that really

[LightOfTruth]

Lol I didnhe bible study thing as well and if I was left to use that as my foundation I would be an atheist. There is something wrong with cathlic's. It says don't worship fails Idols and they have like a million saints

[wankiam]

yeah i love that one though i do like that santa claus was based on some old greek guy who used to get into bar fights defending the rights of prostitutes and would distribute food to the homeless

[LightOfTruth]

Ya not into pagan holidays myself.

[wankiam]

yeah same

[888theGreat]

God makes final judgement but Christians must make judgements about others and if they see someone making mistakes , it is their duty to tell them. When bible says judge thy be judged it is referring about one person doing same thing then telling on the other person while he hides doing the same thing.

[wankiam]

@888theGreat and thats the justification for the oxymoron of holy wars is it? im sory but to have peace on earth we need to accept each others differences so maybe thats why i have zero faith

[sean1234]

If I read the Bible, it's laws and commandments, then see someone breaking every single one, I have a right to rebuke him or her, to judge them to say they will go to hell if they don't repent and sin no more. I of course am not God and only Jesus will judge those in the 2nd death. The only reason why apostles preached and the prophets before them is because they usually saw sinners around them they knew might burn in the 2nd death so they wouldn't die.

[Anonymous]

ohh no please shut up

I CAN JUDGE SIN
you idiot
if people are doing stupid stuff I can tell them to stop
and if they make the choice not to listen
WELL GUESS WHAT I'M GONNA JUDGE THEM

type this in on youtube

NOAHS TITANS BEFORE THE FLOOD

it will be the first video

[BarryLiverstone]

Yes I call myself a Christian

[LightOfTruth]

Are my statements abouve correct? If not let's talk about why.

[BarryLiverstone]

What are you asking about? Judging or hierarchies? Could you clarify or give an example? Thanks

[LightOfTruth]

God made rules, Jesus judges and we follow

[BarryLiverstone]

Yes there are rules. Of course we follow Jesus and He judges.

Was this it or am I missing the complexity?

[LightOfTruth]

I have been reading quite a few people responding with, we can and should judge. I am looking for someone to tell me why since about 5 or 6 posted that statement within the last 24 hours.

[BarryLiverstone]

We can judge because we are made in Gods image

[LightOfTruth]

But we are not gods and God placed Jesus in charge of judgment. I might be my father's son but I don't get to boss people around. We might be made in Gods image but we are not peers of God. I also assure you that because we are Christians we are not home free. He also must life in his word.

[BarryLiverstone]

You only asked about judging. Never mentioned bossing others.

[LightOfTruth]

Trying to relate it to today. Kind of hard sometimes. I am trying to point out how you would have to be above someone to look down and judge them. If we are peers then that can't be done. Options about what one has done is not the same as saying they are going to hell for what they have done. I don't decide that kind of stuff. Do I like abortion, no. Do I get to tell others they will go to hell, no. Can I tell them that people that do that and never repent could face eternity in hell, yes. As you age, and you seem to already be doing better then most, you will see people fighting to be on top. I am seeing this now with how they pass judgement on others and have little to no understanding.

PS I am running around so if my thoughts go in and out that's why.

[BarryLiverstone]

Oh I can judge those above me. I can judge my boss and can judge the president. Judging is making a decision about their behavior

[LightOfTruth]

Judging and passing judgement. I have my head in a few things so I must not be explaining myself correctly. Your speaking of discernment. I am saying, how can someone say "your going to hell for XYZ"

[BarryLiverstone]

Thanks. Now we have an example. No one goes to hell for a single sin. We are all sinners and we all make mistakes. So anyone who makes that statement needs to learn about Grace and forgiveness

[sean1234]

Lol I get it now👍

[jimmy2]

here's the deal God say dont judge less you be judged. And yet i pose to you brother have to ever witness you had to judge that soul was not saved

[OddBeMe]

Only if my name was Christian.

[888theGreat]

We all know you are lost

[OddBeMe]

@888theGreat lost with logic and reason

[888theGreat]

It might just be that you are touched in the head

[OddBeMe]

@888theGreat touched with logic and reason.