Have you had a “crisis of faith”?

[OddBeMe]

Science just keeps beating the crap out of god…

It gets tougher and tougher

Nah…I’m still a believer

Never believed

Other

[Anonymous]

No it doesn't. Look at feminism and all it's bs. Maybe if you are a Roman Catholic that idolizes people it does. They call their persist "father" whereas christian only call god father. They ask for forgiveness from their persist. Christians only ask god for forgiveness.

The Catholics gave up their region and start worshiping social media figures. If you are talking about Roman Catholics, Christians are at peace with their faith. You are going through hell because you were brainwashed by the false prophet. And look at your women chasing men with money and guys with good values are ignored. And those same women keep picking awful men and in the end they end up living in misery.

The Roman emperors had all the sex and money and still end up a miserable pile shit. They had no virtue and were satisfied with one woman. They need more sex and eventually they needed to jerk off to people being tortured because vanilla sex wasn't enough. Does that sound familiar. So much comfort money and ease and yet they are still unhappy?

I only need one woman. I don't need porn anything else to be with my wife. Why is that I only need one woman and your feminism and playboys need 1000 hookups and still they are unhappy?

[OddBeMe]

Seems you like defining your religion based on what others aren’t. Instead of looking for actual evidence of any of it being real at all….

[Opinion Owner]

Well I am talking about feminism. People can't find people to love, and dumb choices.

[invalid1]

I like your question, more so I like the discription 😂. Look, being an engineer I have to embrace science and facts.
However, I think that faith and science aren't supposed to be necessarily coherent or interdependent. They're waay two different things.
And I'd advise you to listen to Carl Sagan's words as an answer to your question.
And if you are intellectually flexible, you will be able to understand how science means no offence to any spiritual or metaphysical belief. And from my perspective I think even in such age I still need a little religion 🌹❤️

https://youtu. be/ML4kiFCKZGo

[OddBeMe]

What is a spirit or metaphysics?

[purplepoppy]

Thousands of years ago god was a viable hypothesis. But as time progressed, bit by bit, science chipped away at the "it was god" arguments. Some still cling on arguing since we don't know everything then the answer is "it was god" but day by day that pool of unanswered questions shrinks.

The reality is you don't have to know everything to know it wasn't god. If I kiss a thousand frogs and none turn into a prince, it's safe to conclude non ever will.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah it’s in the “can’t disprove!” level of belief. And scarily, half of our society prob needs “divine reward” as a reason to be good. Whereas we just do it.

[supercutebutt]

Frogs are hot.

[OddBeMe]

@supercutebutt actually cold.

[Sour-rose]

You'd think so for someone my name but nah, never. It may be bad now but i always get something I never expected to get if I just have faith and gratitude.

[OddBeMe]

I agree in terms of “good vibes” attracts other good things. But there’s reason for that. That’s not mystical….

[RealMarek]

I have more scientific training and practice than about 98% of people, but science is limited to that which can be physically tested. It cannot answer questions of metaphysics. At some level everyone makes a leap of faith or is ignoring the implications of their belief. The materialist believes that matter exists of its own accord with no causeless cause, something that is plainly miraculous. I don’t ridicule materialists for believing this or refusing to consider it as a contradiction with rationality, so I appreciate those materialists who don’t treat me with disrespect for believing in God.

[Anonymous]

I don't know if I believe in god the way the christians do, I do have mostly christian values, those of Jesus not the christian fundamentalists. I feel there definitely is a spiritual realm to this world that can't be explained by science but definitly a paranormal type of realm. I had at least one of these experiences to convince me, and I experiences this sighting at the exact time as a friend of mind so I know it wasn't just my mind playing tricks on me. Other experiences happend that weren't as strong but also helped to convince me. Since then I don't question things as much.

[lightbulb27]

No, needed more now than ever.

Where exactly has science dealt a fatal blow to "God"? Big bang - impossible, evolution - no evidence of anything ever changing from one kind to another kind [although there could be some day]? Most of that is faith...

[OddBeMe]

We could go all day arguing. But the last 50 years alone we discovered more about our planet and the 13.8 billion years of our galaxy. All without a god.

[lightbulb27]

of course, science does that, and it will discover more, I don't discard science. We've found lots of particles and have updated theories.. awsome! Want me to lookup the quotes by some of the great scientists?

It makes no progress whatsoever in answering the questions. Noone can explain how nothing made everything.
That barely even works for "God". Even if they figureit out, it doesn't replace what Christ did to heal the human heart/soul so we are freed from emotional repression to live as our greater selves.

There is no greater example of the disaster of science and corruption than the "mental health services" approach which completely displaces "God" in favor of science, and fails miserably.

Of course religion has corruption in it, corrupt humans.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[lightbulb27]

that's fine, half of our brain is logic the other half is emotion [energy in motion?]. don't discredit the value of the emotional side. The "universe" isn't a bundle of logic, it's a bundle of energy that we can understand using logic, but we can't relate to it without emotion.

[mobiusforniner]

My perspectives on religion evolved over time. Church, I discovered, is really just a fancy club for people with like interests. Corruption, greed, and sin abound in church no different than outside.

Faith is something personal to me. My relationship with God is unique to me. I don't feel a compelling need to proselyte to others.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[jshm2]

Only the weak fall away, the strong power on.

Also, God is outside the purview of science. Mainly as science can only deal with the quantifiable and physical. Not the moral or metaphysical.

It's why you have a judge and lawyers in court looking at evidence, not a scientist and academics.

Too many dipshits seem to think you can only be on the side of science or faith. Hence why they have problems.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[genericname85]

not really a crisis. when i gained my critical thinking ability at around age 16, i automatically stopped blindly trusting what people say, specially if what they say makes no sense whatsoever.

[OddBeMe]

Same for me.

[genericname85]

I do believe it's more difficult to cope with losing faith if you had it for a long time

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[genericname85]

I'm just saying. The older you gets the harder it is

[AdithyaR]

I didn't leave religion due to a crisis of faith. In my case it was almost like i just woke up one day and realised religion didn't make sense and then just became an atheist.

[OddBeMe]

Same. I think it’s a logic switch or something.

[Wade12345]

You realize the laws of physics proves the Universe was intelligently designed?

Who wrote the equations that control the real universe? God. duh.

from nothing comes nothing. Spontaneous Generation from nothing was disproved a long, long time ago. That leaves only Creation as an explanation of how anything came into being.

[LiamJHayden]

Nope. It actually takes far more faith to believe that the universe "just is." Science requires that cause and effect to be rational. Self-creation is absurd on its face. The universe clearly experiences entropy, thus must be an effect. Every effect has a cause. Something or someone started everything, everywhere. That something or someone of necessity possesses aseity. We can argue about who or what, but arguing against the concept is itself irrational.

[Rosexøxø]

Could just be a reaction…

I don’t need to say an earthquake was manually performed. It is indeed an effect of two other created- excuse me- existent things (tectonic plates) shift against or into each other. It’s a reaction all effect from a specific and unsupervised cause.

The existence of our solar system can be the same way. Doesn’t have to be supervised or manually created, but just a scientific reaction. Some can agree to this or not. Choose what they will.

A leap of faith in either direction, or a rationale in either direction.

Their free will. Their decision.

[Rosexøxø]

Shifting*

Fractional effect.*

[Rosexøxø]

Oh my gawsh autocorrect..

Reactional effect*. Probably not a real word, but I think it’s fitting, and just made it up.

Reaction-like effect also could do just as well.

Reactionary I suppose, 🤔 but I prefer reactional

[OddBeMe]

Yeah I keep hearing this…. and no one has a cause for God.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[slatyb]

Science actually works to predict the future. I saw the total eclipse of 2017. Science told me where to go, when it would start to the second, how long it would last. Scientific knowledge (specifically quantum electrodynamics) let us build the technology that allows you to read this message. So my belief 9n science is rational. What do religions say? Nothing testable. "The Lord moves in mysterious ways" "Shit happens" Seems about the same to me.

[LiamJHayden]

@Rosexøxø A reaction to what? Ultimately, unless we subscribe to irrationality, there was a first cause.

[LiamJHayden]

@ OddBeMe Unless we fall into irrationality, there is an ultimate first cause. If not in this universe, then the one from which it ultimately sprang. Unless we change the laws of reality, in which case there is little point in discussing anything.

[slatyb]

And? There's no evidence that prayer is useful, no evidence of an afterlife, no evidence of that any external entity intervenes in events on Earth or anywhere else, no evidence that any religious practice has any beneficial effect.

[AaronKrieger]

No, I never really believed in God and I recognized that around 10/11 years old. I am glad it happened that young when I realized it, since it meant I experienced my edgy athiest period of shitting on religion before becoming a teenager lmao

[D_Bone_Steak]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Twz_2Buh3GI

What else can you expect... keep that holy water flowing.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Skip to 7:40 for what applies to the picture.

[D_Bone_Steak]

11:14 actually... I've been drinking and had a little bit too much cocaine.

[OddBeMe]

Dear god…that was awful. No offense. But Jesus would even give it 1 in 5 crosses.

[D_Bone_Steak]

lolz, hey we all have our preferences. I just hope I get some credit for seeing a picture and knowing where it originally came from before being modified.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[Dargil]

I had an authentic Salvation Experience. I didn't ask for it. It came to me, whether I wanted it or not. I fought it for a year before I gave in. No amount of sarcasm or dismissive behavior can undo it. I may still be alive because I had it.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[Dargil]

Faith is not logical. It is belief.

[richardcory]

A religious person should have no qualms about science, its not like science could every show that god was somehow "wrong" I think only people who's faith is weak would be worried.

[OddBeMe]

Sure but why have faith at all on the first place? I stopped believing in things without evidence and man did I stop getting screwed. :)

[richardcory]

It is interesting that most human societies have had religion and since it consumes a lot of resources it must provide some benefit. I don't think that benefit is from anything supernatural, but an awful lot of people think it is, so I can't completely rule it out.

[OddBeMe]

It keeps dumb people from acting like raping hordes with the promise of divine reward.

[richardcory]

Could be - but it may also be about getting people to work together (for good or evil)

[OddBeMe]

But either way, because we don’t need divine reward we’re better for it. Because we don’t rape and we do work together.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[Juxtapose]

Faith is belief without evidence and that is something pretty undesirable no? Unless you have no choice but to hold on to blind hope for the sake of your sanity in a bad situation

[Rosexøxø]

I never heard it well said as this. Profound

[OddBeMe]

I would hope even in the bleakest moment I’d focus on what’s real rather than imaginary…..

[Juxtapose]

If you have very little chance to escape the situation but it is still your best chance then it is best to have hope so you don't feel demoralized.

[OddBeMe]

Those who survive are the ones who think clearest and most logically in the most dangerous moments.

[Juxtapose]

And also the ones who don't give up.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah again, psychology can’t be sidestepped when thinking of prayer or religion. It could “give” some extra boost because they beleive sincerely they are fighting for divine right, which logically is next to impossible to exist.

[Juxtapose]

I wasn't even arguing for religion, you can have faith in your chances to survive to keep you from being demoralized.

[OddBeMe]

No yeah, psychological is the only argument for “faith”. And not even a big one, I have strong psyche knowing the facts and data instead of blind faith.

[Juxtapose]

I'm an atheist dude, lol I know.

[OddBeMe]

No that’s not even the issue. It’s literally comparing two people in bad situations. One depends more heavily on logic and makes sound reasoned decisions. The other…prays?

[Juxtapose]

That's not what I was talking about.

[OddBeMe]

That’s what it is. Belief in something higher without evidence. So one guy is focused on logic the other is half focus half hoping his prayers and tithing were enough to get him into heaven.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah well that's not what I was talking about.

[OddBeMe]

That’s what it is.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[FifiJones]

Yeah. Regularly, even. There is a girl that saves my day (right now, and I strongly hope she keeps doing just that).

[OddBeMe]

So everyday you almost lose it but some girl comes from somewhere?

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[Stoner710]

I was raised Christian now agnostic what does that tell you

[OddBeMe]

It’s interesting, because definitions are alway wrong when people say this.

[Stoner710]

True agnostic are basically in the middle between atheist and religious agnostic have no idea whether God exists or not so I guess it’s better to live your life as if God exists, and if you wasted your life, then you wasted your life, but if you act like God does not exist, and it turns out God exists you’re burning in hell I’d rather not burn in hell so I’d rather with my life like God exists

I would say agnosticism is the only true non-religion because I think atheist does it require faith. it take faith to believe in god. Atheism, and any other religion requires faith. You need faith to leave that there is not a God you need faith and leave that there is a God agnostics are the only want to say I have no idea.

[OddBeMe]

Ultimately I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[OddBeMe]

But theism and knosticism are different.

Default position is no bekeiving s thing and being convicted of something based on logic and reason.

[Stoner710]

See I think the only prominent Atheist that make any logical sense why are Marquis de Sade who figured nature is cure and nature doesn’t care about anyone so why should you? So she use to torture and rape women because he derived pleasure out of it. Ayn Rand Richard Dawkins, and Sam Harris make no sense. They act like there is no God but fallow the ways of Christianity and Greek reasoning. Don’t murder. (Why?). Don’t rape (why). Don’t steel. (Why). There is no morals if there is no god. Hence why these people get into a moral relativist state of mind. Where the Marquee De Sade throws out the idea of morals and values and just say they don’t exist do what you want get pleasures anyway you can because we will die there is no after life you are worm food so do what you want and screw what society want’s especially if there based on religion which all of western civilization is built off of

[MementoMori777]

Nope, I'm at peace with my faith, tbh I don't know what a crisis of faith is lol

[OddBeMe]

It’s a phrase I hear a lot. Prob more a meme of you will.

[MementoMori777]

Possibly lol

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[MementoMori777]

People being stuck on logic stops people from finding God and spreading the word of God is the goal of a Christian so I won't stop, you can just stop listening to it

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Well actually it sort of gets easier because the Satanic Agenda and all of the evil stuff just keeps unraveling making it easier to see. Those who rely only on their eyes can’t see it.

[OddBeMe]

What should we rely on to search for this satan?

[Dinosaursandanime65]

He is basically everywhere, and searching for him or anything alike isn’t in anyone’s best interest. That is like, the second worst thing anyone could ever do.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

Earth will unalive.

[slatyb]

Science works. Prayer is useless.

[TDILS]

Science does work, but the prayer also works, depends on how you try to trust in it. And both are not opposing each other, but supports each other.

[slatyb]

@TDILS Prayer has never been shown to work. There was a study and the result was that people in similar health circumstances who were prayed for had worse outcomes.

[TDILS]

Have they believed in who they pray to, and what they pray for?

If you want to achieve any results you want by praying, then you might forget the meaning of praying itself.

You can't force your friend to give you what you want, by talking to them. The same goes for prayer. Simply just communicate with God, tell what's in your heart, and learning to hear what God says throughout your life. That's the absolute result of praying, not just receiving what we want

Because praying is talking to each other, not just talking yourself, right?

[slatyb]

@TDILS As far as I can tell, people praying are talking to themselves. Anyway I can see in every natural disaster that people who were undoubtedly fervently praying for survival die just the same.

[TDILS]

Even if we don't receive what we want, will we keep on praying?

What's seen with our eyes are temporary, but what's unseen is real. When we know who we pray to, essentially, we're not talking to ourselves.

Asking in prayer is okay, but that's not what a prayer really meant. Because praying is building our personal relationship with God, and that's more important than getting what we want.

[OddBeMe]

I can see prayer providing a psychological calmness. But yeah they’s talkin to no one.

[TDILS]

Consider this example: when i try to believe santa claus is real, or unicorn is real, or barbie is real, it doesn't prove that they are real, right?

But if they're real, they will prove themselves, whether others believe or not.

As a Christian (even for others that don't believe as well), we never see Jesus physically. And that's the truth.

But if Jesus is really alive and if He's really God, He will prove Himself. What i will do, is keep on praying until that time happens, because He has promised to never leave us alone (who believes in Him), and to give us eternal life and still preparing a place for us there, together with Him.

And praying itself, is simply building relationship by talking to Him and to hear from Him, to believe that He really hears our prayer and to learn what He wants from us. Whether He gives us what we want (or not), that's His rights, not ours.

You can relate this to talking with our friends, and building relationship with them. So that's also what prayers do.

Whether we believe without evidence or not, we can inspect everything (to buy a house), thinking about the payment, taxes, location, neighborhoods, school location, culinary location, and so on. Then, when a natural disaster occurs, every houses (including you and me) will be hit by that, right?

And that's correct. Prayer might not save us,

prayer might not pay your hospital bill,
prayer might not make you smarter,
prayer might not get you a good partner/husband/wife,

but prayer keeps us connected with God, that promises there is really an eternal life for those who believe in Him (Jesus).

[OddBeMe]

@TDILS that’s not how logic works. You don’t believe first

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Nope. My faith is unshakable. Literally. And I'm dying with such faith.

[OddBeMe]

Wouldn’t expect otherwise. But did you ever think back and wonder if you decided to beleive or was it thrust upon you by your parents?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I was raised Christian. Left it in my teens then converted to it fully when I went to college and haven't looked back since.

[OddBeMe]

So you were raised in it, left in your rebel phase, and then came back. But have you compared to other religions? How do you know this one is right! Just cuz your parents?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I searched other religions and made no sense to me.

I believe the gospel of Jesus Christ so I chose Christianity unto salvation.

[OddBeMe]

Interesting. You really studied the other religions and all the intersections?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

The basic beliefs of all of the major ones.

[OddBeMe]

How do you decide “major ones” from non “major ones”? What if the real god is non major?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

There hundreds of faiths and religions out there, I can't go through all of them.

Christianity is what makes sense to me.

[OddBeMe]

But what if the real god is in? Vietnam,

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[Pohjolan]

I just grew out of it.

[Rosexøxø]

Yeah, really feels that way.

[OddBeMe]

Funny how the Bible tells you cast away your childish toys,

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I'm still a believer but not in a way most Christians do.

[OddBeMe]

I hear that a lot and it sounds like pussy footing.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And yet you don't believe your belief that for whatever hypocritical reason. And what if i say i'm an atheist instead? What are you going to do about it? Cry in hell?

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Who said I'm giving it more weight than logic? The reason why i'm not really following in religion itself is because I don't find them logical. I do find God logical tho. It's religion that likes to distort God's words for their gains

[ShadezMcgee]

Still believe and always will.

[OddBeMe]

Why? What has it given you?

[ShadezMcgee]

It has given me peace of mind, strength in family, friends and my morals. It has also given me courage in my most low snd challenging times to persevere and come out stronger in the end.

That is what believing in God has done for me.

[OddBeMe]

I can’t argue with that. Except you gave yourself that. We keep discounting ourselves and give credit to some invisible thing…. weird.

[ShadezMcgee]

And here you are trying to argue it by saying I gave myself that when you have not even a shred of an idea of what would have happened if I didn't ask God to be with me and guide me in those moments where hope was gone.

I asked God for strength to get me through and it came. It was tough, but I made it. My strength came from him, so yes I credit God with that and my perseverance and putting my faith into him to guide me.

There is nothing weird about it.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.

[ShadezMcgee]

Believing in God and having faith does not make one absent in logic.

[NostalgiaSenpi]

I haven't believed since I was a child.

[msc545]

I don't see this as a problem for me.

[Jersey2]

I’m a Christian, just not a good one.

[TDILS]

you are a good one, keep on praying there and God bless you! 😇

[OddBeMe]

Why would you beleive without evidence? Nothing else in the world would you do otherwise. Like buying a house and not getting it inspected first.

[TDILS]

Consider this example: when i try to believe santa claus is real, or unicorn is real, or barbie is real, it doesn't prove that they are real, right?

But if they're real, they will prove themselves, whether others believe or not.

As a Christian (even for others that don't believe as well), we never see Jesus physically. And that's the truth.

But if Jesus is really alive and if He's really God, He will prove Himself. What i will do, is keep on praying until that time happens, because He has promised to never leave us alone (who believes in Him), and to give us eternal life and still preparing a place for us there, together with Him.

And praying itself, is simply building relationship by talking to Him and to hear from Him, to believe that He really hears our prayer and to learn what He wants from us. Whether He gives us what we want (or not), that's His rights, not ours.

You can relate this to talking with our friends, and building relationship with them. So that's also what prayers do.

Whether we believe without evidence or not, we can inspect everything (to buy a house), thinking about the payment, taxes, location, neighborhoods, school location, culinary location, and so on. Then, when a natural disaster occurs, every houses (including you and me) will be hit by that, right?

And that's correct. Prayer might not save us,

prayer might not pay your hospital bill,
prayer might not make you smarter,
prayer might not get you a good partner/husband/wife,

but prayer keeps us connected with God, that promises there is really an eternal life for those who believe in Him (Jesus).

[OddBeMe]

@TDILS no none of those things you listed are expected to “stand up and prove themselves”. With Jesus we’ve been waiting 2000. Longest game of hide and seek ever.

[Jersey2]

@OddBeMe people are finding God everyday. Some when they die and some through their heart. God doesn’t have an acid test, that why it’s called faith. There are tons of things we can’t see or measure in this universe. It wasn’t that long ago that quarks were unknown or dark matter. What we know about the universe could fit in a thimble by comparison, and much of that is probably wrong or not quite right. If I’m wrong, so what, it won’t matter. If you are wrong, we’ll it might matter. To cut to the chase, I think we are here to learn. You can’t know what cold is if you don’t know what hot is and more on point you can’t know what love is without knowing what hate is or happiness, contentment, and more. We couldn’t have a Garden of Eden if we can’t value it, we wouldn’t appreciate it or even know what else there could be. Anyway, if atheists don’t believe it doesn’t bother me but I would’ve why my believe it bothers atheists and they want to explain it to me… it happens more that you would think. If I were an atheist I wouldn’t care or bother to talk people into seeing it they way I do as it along with literally everything else just doesn’t matter.

[OddBeMe]

sure but I guess

1) why start with a god? the idea had to be created.
2) why is faith good? believing without evidence in every other instance hurts you.

[Jersey2]

1) every human civilization believes in God, differently but all the same

2) even if I’m wrong, it doesn’t matter. It does make living life easier though in some ways

[OddBeMe]

If it makes your life better great. I just don’t want you giving that more weight than logic

[Jersey2]

Happy Easter, Odd.

[star42j]

I will never stop believing in God no matter what

[Agape93]

Nope, no need

[strateguy632]

no!!

[Fuentes]

God is real

[OddBeMe]

Prove it.

[Fuentes]

Get on your knees and pray

[OddBeMe]

I get on my knees for only a few people. Wife and clients.

[OddBeMe]

I don’t care if you find goodness it in. That’s great. Just don’t give it more weight than logic.