Where do religion and science intersect, or do they?

[Anonymous]

[HiveBee]

I think that if there is a God, he created everything to work mechanically.

We know this because look at science. Science has discovered there is no magic in this world.

This existence actually WORKS. If human beings have free will, it is not granted by God. Free will is a function of this logical reality. And same goes for anything else.

The reason religion and science conflict, is because religious people think they know the content of God's mind.

But evidence shows clearly that if God did create all of this, it is all very logical. Therefore God created all things in this existence to work mechanically.

Science is obviously observing God's creation and understanding the way it works.

The religious people have decided this existence is meaningless. The Bible even says to forsake this existence in favor or your afterlife.

But you can't prove that the God of the Bible is the real God.

The proof is supp9sed to be Jesus's resurrection. That is proof of God's stamp of approval.

I haven't been convinced yet. But I haven't seen andnread everything either.

[strateguy632]

firstly, a gap you claimed "conflict because religious people think they know the content of God's mind." how is that conflict science?
2, which religion said, " religious people have decided this existence is meaningless." we are the ones saying must not suicide. don't kill old people sanctity life. life has an important purpose to obey god. so life has meaning. the problem is nihilistic atheism lost. no purpose and sincerely depressed. Bible never said do suicide but as above must not suicide nor said "forsake this existence in favor or your afterlife." unless you refer to waco cult? but other faiths differ.

[HiveBee]

Thank you for your question.

I don't know the passage that says to forsake this world. But it's not nihilistic. It means to orient yourself towards God and not this world. It's meant to liberate you from the suffering of this world.

But that means that this existence is meaningless. I argue that religion is nihilistic at its core. And that is because every religion advocates for a spiritual "real world" we go to after we die here. Our lives here are meaningless. If there is some greater meaning, it remains a mystery. I haven't seen anyone explain our purpose here only that God supposedly has one for us. That is supposed to give this existence meaning. I don't know what it really does but I'm sure for many it does.

The reason that their claim to knowledge of God's mind conflicts with science, because they believe God said all kinds of different things. They believe whatever they want to believe.

If it conflicts with science, they discard science.

Evidence being the Muslim enlightenment where they were enlightened by philosophy and science, but ultimately discarded it, closed down schools, turned them into places of worship.

I don't remember the specific names but this is a fact.

Many people across history have analyzed science and religion and recognized their incongruence.

A guide for the perplexed is one book off the top of my head where a respected and intelligent religious philosopher contends with the scientific and philosophical findings of the Greek enlightenment.

My argument is that science and God does not conflict. But science and religion does.

Religion tries to prove the content of God's mind and that will always conflict with science because God's mind is incomprehensible and any claim is finite and therefore meaningless.

Religion conflicts with science because religion is wrong about the content of God's mind..

[strateguy632]

in your conclusion "science" does not describe "content of God's mind" so no conflict. 2, maybe you are right about many religions, forsake this world, but christian despite faith in a "real spirit world" has "meaning in body" living for christ. not forsake world, but forsake luxury for example jewwelery and pursuit of wealth.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

They don't. Religion is faith based only.

And science at least real science is evidence based with facts.

[marrk]

Religion has a lot to say about being clean and treating your body, soul, and mind well before it was scientifically backed up. It also speaks on the importance of interpersonal relationships (if you count psychology and sociology as science).

I’m speaking of Christianity and Judaism specifically.

[strateguy632]

nice, i forgot that detail for example bathe after menstruation

[strateguy632]

oops that was not invented until later not in bible leviticus 15.

[devilish-cutie]

they do, it happend to a lot of scientist when they come to certain point and they know the solution but they dont know how, than they find higher power/force/religion

[236color]

Science and Religion don't intersect, at least not in a place where they aren't in conflict. People try and either deny Science or just ignore where it disproves Religion. Faith and knowledge are not the same thing. For me, my Religion is a framework for my morals. The ethos is more important than the mythos. I don't believe, literally in an invisible sky wizard, I do believe that one should follow the golden rule, or as we call our similar concept in Wicca, the threefold law. In one of St Paul's (aka Saul of Tarus) epistles he says "You walk by faith not by sight". To me that means, "Stop trying to PROVE this stuff and just believe". I think people who insist on the absolute literal truth of their religion, are terrified of the uncertainty of death. What, if anything, happens after we die? I am here to say with absolute certainty, that not only do I not know, nobody else does either. I have determined to deal with being dead when I'm dead. I've also decided that while I'm alive I will follow one basic rule, Try not to be a dick.

[strateguy632]

sure they do! the first law of thermodynamics that burnt matter changes to energy, "no matter nor energy can be created", therefore the existence must have been supernatural.

[236color]

@strateguy632 As they say in law, "you are assuming facts not in evidence"

[jshm2]

You are being a dick. Therefore you have broken your own dubious "rule" and cannot come out in public or speak again...

[OlderAndWiser]

I believe your meme has it backwards. Most religious people I know feel that their understanding of who we are and why we are here is very incomplete. If you judge religious people by the behavior of the Westboro Baptist Church members, you are intentionally distorting your assessment of religious people.

I could judge scientists by the behavior of Supreme Commander and Field Marshall For Life Anthony Fauci and come to many unfavorable conclusions, but that would be judge as wrong. . . wouldn't it?

[Anpu23]

Science teaches how things happen. Religion teaches why they do. Science belongs in the realm of measurable, repeatable, provable. Religion, on the other hand exists in the relm of Gnosis, inner knowledge and experiential understanding.

As an example, someone says they saw a ghost. Science has no way of proving or disproving that experience. If the person is not prone to flights of fancy, wasn't drunk or on other drugs science can just say, okay...

The problem is when religious people start definitively talking about the realm of science or that scientists start speaking differently about the realm of religion is when problems happen.

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

The only way science and religion intersect is when measuring the effects of religion on a culture or society through statistics. Or through the psychological effects of religion. Outside of that, no, not really.

Science gathers data and states factual information. It then uses that factual information to form theories based on the data. This does require some faith, but the key difference is that science is self-correcting. Theories change with the introduction of new data.

Religion is entirely faith-based and does not change, regardless of how many facts are discovered that directly contradict their theory.

[strateguy632]

, content contradict, can any "fact contradict " anything spiritual"?

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

It can. Spirituality is based on the story that is told. A story can be either verified or disproven. If the story is false, so is the spirituality.

[strateguy632]

but the story was in the physical world. i would distinguish between angels and between students listening to teacher saying parables.

[ɹǝʇʇɐɥpɐW]

@strateguy632 We're going in circles. A spiritual world, or anything beyond the physical, only exists in the book that is in the physical world (or simply "world" for short). A book that has never been verified but has repeatedly been disproven.

[RingOfFire]

I think the quintessential element of religion is spirituality. By definition that means a belief in the inexplicable.

Science, on the other hand is about explaining things in terms humans can understand.

So in that sense I don't think they intersect.

For all the science, I note that they have never created a living thing or explained the origin of the universe (the "yeah right" "explanations" I have heard notwithstanding). And at least until they do, I will believe in a higher power that science will never explain.

[Siri137]

If they don't intersect, why is it so important for some people that they do? I don't believe there is any "conflict" between religion and science, but at the same time I also believe they have very little, if anything, in common. That's okay though, that's not an issue.

[Anonymous]

Science could potentially investigate what exactly drives the mind/brain to seemingly need religion in some people.

And religion could possibly help keep some scientific minds on a moral path so that things like Unit 731 might be less likely.

[strateguy632]

societies without god are more depraved... an empirical fact pointed out by scientology.

[Opinion Owner]

@strateguy632 Not even remotely true but an oft repeated lie by the religious.

[jshm2]

Opposite, kiddo.

Religion is a lifetime study. Science you just need to get a paper or two published, tenure, and you're set for life.. Even if you're wrong, the community will shield you.

As for "intersect" you cannot be scientifically truthful, unless religiously honest. But you can be scientifically neurotic, regardless of religion.

[strateguy632]

opposite of you, my bachelor degree had many paper and exam for each course them 7 longer research papers for m. a
but religion is no exams unless pastor priest etc.

[Darklydarkened]

There's absolutely no study of religion whatsoever.

They just debate on how to study 2000 year old texts

[strateguy632]

@Darklydarkened , content study, if you would go to a university library see MUCH to study about each religion.

[Darklydarkened]

@strateguy632 None of them are scientific to begin with

[Darklydarkened]

@strateguy632 Oh suddenly I remembered an actually scientific religious study.

Dennis MacDonald's theory about gospels is scientific

Then again he claims the Gospel Of Mark, is nothing but an imitation of Homeric Epics, and the story of Jesus is nothing but a reconstruction of Odysseus' journey in the Odysseia

[jshm2]

@strateguy632 you're confused. A paper and exam you can get lucky at. Even research papers can be faked or written by AI. Also a theology degree does not make a pastor or priest. Some religions dont even have a clergy. Seems you are narrow minded in your understanding of what makes a scientist and religious follower.

[TonyMetal___86]

Science intersect with supernatural acts, things that cannot be explained or cannot be tested in labs...
Religion is 90% supernatural
If we can't explain something, it doesn't means that it doesn't exists, for example i believe that there is a god, i believe in jesus miracles, also in the afterlife and science cannot prove any of these...

[Anonymous]

They largely don’t. Faith and fact are two different things. The one caveat is that science can’t account for the creation of life. It’s possible a supreme being put life on this planet and then let the forces of nature take over. Then again, science might discover that secret someday and completely blow religion out of the water. Who knows?

[strateguy632]

but that "future" is also faith same as religion so avoiding faith prevents that hope.

[stepyo99]

The intersection is philosophy.

The meme says a lot more about the type of person who made it than they think it says about religion or science.

[strateguy632]

funny picture but actually science is more compartmentalize so in a university library i see more rows book cases for each religion than for each psychology or computer science or geology etc.

[strateguy632]

they shouldn't intersect because religion is about spiritual and stories and symbolism, but science doesn't touch those. the problem begins when science i mean people who are scientists
"exits its boundary" to try and be history... with speculation and extrapolated, all the brilliant math theory and formula are realy fruitless foolishness. they should try to explain the weather mystery not guess about history.

[strateguy632]

admittedly i heard one rabbi exit his realm and interpret genesis "let there be light" as the flash of light spreading in big bang, but that was verse 3 after the beginning and water. anyway the bible should be interpreted as symbol. science shouldn't try to be history.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Watch some Institute for Creation Research videos. It may shock you how much overlap there is.

[strateguy632]

that was fascinating series. my favorite video was "connecting the flood to long lives" if flood literal water from sky, then lives 900 years possible. clever!

[OfDeath]

They intersect where they try to answer the same questions. Of course science has a much better track record of getting it right.

However, religion does play a role in inspiring a lot of scientific inquiry.

[Lara_Croft]

Science studies creation. Creation created by God. Science is the consequence of God existing

[normalice]

Terror Management Theory is where science and religion intersect.

[WhitneySnow]

They intersect a lot. I’m taking a whole class next year on that subject.

[Darklydarkened]

Religion is the art of giving wrong answers to right questions

[strateguy632]

ever heard of reading comprehension? the answers that match the books are the correct answers. before claiming something "is wrong " must know the ideas.

[Darklydarkened]

@strateguy632 Yeah sure, like Jesus calming a vicious storm in a place that doesn't have a big sea

Like him walking on water, like locusts infesting Egypt etc

All very true and correct

[strateguy632]

example did jesus walk on air or water? air is wrong, water is correct. you doubt miracles... just kuz i can't do it, doesn't prove that a superior person can't.

[Anonymous]

Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.

[strateguy632]

at the time spoken lame meant "can't walk" not modern slang thats lame.

[Darklydarkened]

Religion is against science

[Opinion Owner]

@Darklydarkened I think the two can go hand in hand :)

[strateguy632]

@Darklydarkened Einstein KNEW science and he was the one who said need both. "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. Albert Einstein" he was quite smart and knew science didn't refute religions

[strateguy632]

@Darklydarkened as if christian boycott science? no educated professor is christian? religious aren't against science.

[Darklydarkened]

How come, you can't measure religion, you can't observe anything, nothing religion claims can be scientifically viable and you guys are forgetting religion was the reason of Giordano Bruno's barbaric execution, what Gallileo had suffered for

@strateguy632
And Einstein can kiss my ass, he's not some god who has answers for everything. He was stubbornly against the Uncertainty Principle for his religious zelotry too

Had to change is views later on

[Sabretooth]

I've read about this: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/science/

[Anonymous]

Religion tells you why, science lets you discover how. They are different questions.

[BarryLiverstone]

Most of histories most popular scientists believed in God. So yes they intersect

[strateguy632]

and certainly don't conflict... according to known genuises like newton.

[genericname85]

they don't. faith is a very outdated method to understand the worls. but old trends die hard.

[strateguy632]

if you refer to god of thunder, you were accurate , but later faith such as jesus, is more complex and doesn't claim, " thunder is a mystery so must be zeus."

[genericname85]

@strateguy632 no it's not. it's litterally the exact same. unsubstantiated claims by people. it's terribly convenient how only the people who ever had any interaction directly with god where also the ones who told others what to do even in your delusion of choice. almost as if they made him up cause they knew people are gullible enough to believe and follow.

[genericname85]

doesn't matter if your god is named thor, vishnu, yahweh, allah or the flying spaghetti monster. it's the same principle.

[genericname85]

@strateguy632 oh and by the way. i do not believe for a second that you have read the edda and therefore know that the norse mythology is less complex than your faith. you just claimed that. proof me wrong.

[strateguy632]

to gen, content told, the guidance is great that "interaction directly with god were also the ones who told others what to do" giving guidance from a wiser source that is the source for guidance.
the only problem of "convenient " would be a guy said, "god said give me your land" for personal gain.

[strateguy632]

to gen, content same principle. if you bothered even the SHORTEST effort to open a dictionary, paper not digital, you would see the main characteristics of each religion are unique not same.
the main point of religions is not "act kind and give charity" we do that but it isn't the main point. each faith has different ideas. about veda YOU read it and see i was right.

[genericname85]

@strateguy632 XD don't act at if you had read it. And it doesn't matter weather you read the text on paper or on a screen. It's still the same text And it's still delusional.

[genericname85]

"giving guidance from a wiser source" is just a wild claim that you can not proof right and that is actually proven wrong by the fact that a lot of that "greater wisdoms" have turned out to be factually false.

[CuriousMufuxka]

At the corner of hate and stem cell. Bad territory there.. Gangs don't even fuck around.

[MaxUsefull]

all the time, have your heard about big bang theory?

[strateguy632]

good example, some Christian proposed it because not conflict science and religion.

[Lynx122]

I don't think they do.

[artgorgeous]

First thing comes to mind is history.

[strateguy632]

nah history is "records" neither science nor religion.

[artgorgeous]

@strateguy632 No, i can't agree. History is not just records. History involves studying human behavior and a lot of other sciences based on found facts, its not just records. History is a science and it involves also investigation into how humans interacted, why they did something like this or like that.

[Jkgordon]

Brainwash vs reality

[LiamJHayden]

Anyone can be dogmatic and silly.

[Reorx]

Order over chaos.

[Kingofkings1992]

They don’t at all.